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SDP to contest Punggol East SMC BE
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either ways you look at it, whaha
With some individuals, the SDA, RP and now the SDP announcing their intentions to contest in the BE, I will like to offer my sincere and heartfelt apologies to the WP.
In particular, I will like to offer my hearfelt apologies to WP's enthusiastic supporters, its unofficially sanctioned IB (WP members / astroturfers posting in their capacity as "anonymous individuals" and not "party members") who have worked themselves into a frenzy and are stomping their petulant feet in anger at the brazeness, rudeness and temerity of these individuals and parties treating the WP as their equals and wanting to contest in the Punggol East by-election. These parties clearly have no knowledge or concept of democracy or what democracy entails. In the wise words of PAP's George Yeo, such individuals and parties do not know their place in society and make "no distinction between the senior and junior party, or what the Hokkiens describe as boh tua boh suay".
To these individuals, the SDA, RP and the SDP, I will like to once again remind them of George Yeo's words of wisdom. With furrowed brows and a stern wag of his finger, he declared on 19 February 1995 that:
"You must make distinctions - what is high, what is low, what is above, what is below".
With 6 MPs and 2NMPs in Parliament, the WP is very clearly and obviously a "high" party. Without any seats in Parliament, the other parties are not only "low" but are, to put it bluntly, a "below" class. As WP's Sylvia Lim, with a flick of her hair and toss of her upturned nose, smirked and stated "we are in Parliament, they are not". And with its convincing, dizzying and sizzling parliamentary performances and its fearless, fearsome and robust engagements in Parliamentary debates, the WP and its supporters have clearly shown why the WP, and the WP alone, are entitled to and deserves to be in Parliament. It is not unlike that of the sentiments and belief of the PAP who believe that the PAP, and the PAP alone, are entitled to and deserves to be in Parliament.
I would like to call upon these individuals and these parties to withdraw their planned candidacies for the BE and to allow only the WP to contest the BE. These individuals and parties should set their egos aside and defer them to the egos of the WP and its supporters. If they do not, I share the beliefs of the WP's very wise and highly intelligent members, astroturfers and supporters that these individuals and parties cannot be trusted and that they are working for the PAP. Conversely, if these individuals and parties withdraw their planned candidacies for the BE, it is then proof that they can be trusted and are not working for the PAP, i.e until another time comes when they do not defer to the WP. When that time comes, I will once again share the revived beliefs of these very wise and highly intelligent WP individuals that these "opposition" individuals and "opposition" parties cannot be trusted and that they are working for the PAP.
My simple message to these SDA, RP and SDP unsmiling political poseurs is to brush up on their knowledge of democracy and know what democracy entails, heed George Yeo's wise words, withdraw their planned candidacies for the Punggol East BE and, in the name of true democracy, leave it only for the WP, to contest. Once again, this is what the PAP's Venerable George Yeo said:
"You must make distinctions - what is high, what is low, what is above, what is below".
In particular, I will like to offer my hearfelt apologies to WP's enthusiastic supporters, its unofficially sanctioned IB (WP members / astroturfers posting in their capacity as "anonymous individuals" and not "party members") who have worked themselves into a frenzy and are stomping their petulant feet in anger at the brazeness, rudeness and temerity of these individuals and parties treating the WP as their equals and wanting to contest in the Punggol East by-election. These parties clearly have no knowledge or concept of democracy or what democracy entails. In the wise words of PAP's George Yeo, such individuals and parties do not know their place in society and make "no distinction between the senior and junior party, or what the Hokkiens describe as boh tua boh suay".
To these individuals, the SDA, RP and the SDP, I will like to once again remind them of George Yeo's words of wisdom. With furrowed brows and a stern wag of his finger, he declared on 19 February 1995 that:
"You must make distinctions - what is high, what is low, what is above, what is below".
With 6 MPs and 2NMPs in Parliament, the WP is very clearly and obviously a "high" party. Without any seats in Parliament, the other parties are not only "low" but are, to put it bluntly, a "below" class. As WP's Sylvia Lim, with a flick of her hair and toss of her upturned nose, smirked and stated "we are in Parliament, they are not". And with its convincing, dizzying and sizzling parliamentary performances and its fearless, fearsome and robust engagements in Parliamentary debates, the WP and its supporters have clearly shown why the WP, and the WP alone, are entitled to and deserves to be in Parliament. It is not unlike that of the sentiments and belief of the PAP who believe that the PAP, and the PAP alone, are entitled to and deserves to be in Parliament.
I would like to call upon these individuals and these parties to withdraw their planned candidacies for the BE and to allow only the WP to contest the BE. These individuals and parties should set their egos aside and defer them to the egos of the WP and its supporters. If they do not, I share the beliefs of the WP's very wise and highly intelligent members, astroturfers and supporters that these individuals and parties cannot be trusted and that they are working for the PAP. Conversely, if these individuals and parties withdraw their planned candidacies for the BE, it is then proof that they can be trusted and are not working for the PAP, i.e until another time comes when they do not defer to the WP. When that time comes, I will once again share the revived beliefs of these very wise and highly intelligent WP individuals that these "opposition" individuals and "opposition" parties cannot be trusted and that they are working for the PAP.
My simple message to these SDA, RP and SDP unsmiling political poseurs is to brush up on their knowledge of democracy and know what democracy entails, heed George Yeo's wise words, withdraw their planned candidacies for the Punggol East BE and, in the name of true democracy, leave it only for the WP, to contest. Once again, this is what the PAP's Venerable George Yeo said:
"You must make distinctions - what is high, what is low, what is above, what is below".
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From today's ST:
Former Nominated MP Siew Kum Hong believes a six-cornered fight "will only hand Punggol East to the PAP on a silver platter''.
He added: "If any opposition party other than WP contests, it would be taking a huge risk of being seen as a spoiler, which would inevitably affect its chances in the next general election."
Former Nominated MP Siew Kum Hong believes a six-cornered fight "will only hand Punggol East to the PAP on a silver platter''.
He added: "If any opposition party other than WP contests, it would be taking a huge risk of being seen as a spoiler, which would inevitably affect its chances in the next general election."
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SDP eyes vacant Punggol seat
http://www.todayonline.com/Hotnews/EDC121228-0000043/SDP-eyes-vacant-Punggol-seat
Former Nominated Member of Parliament (NMP) Siew Kum Hong said:
"Hougang was a long-time WP stronghold. It would have been more indefensible for other opposition parties to go and contest. Punggol East, however, is open game for everyone."
Political analysts also felt that the contesting opposition parties would exploit the by-election, if it is called, to bring national issues to the fore.
Said Mr Siew:
"The impression was that Mr Palmer had taken care of the residents there well so you can't fight on local issues,” ie walking around the ground, doing grassroot work does not work in Punggol East. Speaking up and campaigning on national issues is the key.
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SDP eyes vacant Punggol seat
http://www.todayonline.com/Hotnews/EDC121228-0000043/SDP-eyes-vacant-Punggol-seat
Former Nominated Member of Parliament (NMP) Siew Kum Hong said:
"Hougang was a long-time WP stronghold. It would have been more indefensible for other opposition parties to go and contest. Punggol East, however, is open game for everyone."
Political analysts also felt that the contesting opposition parties would exploit the by-election, if it is called, to bring national issues to the fore.
Said Mr Siew:
"The impression was that Mr Palmer had taken care of the residents there well so you can't fight on local issues,” ie walking around the ground, doing grassroot work does not work in Punggol East. Speaking up and campaigning on national issues is the key.
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maybe he sian he cannot take part?
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The Singapore govt will become very rich with all those deposits forfeited.
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True. The Secretary General appeared in a video announcing this. It could still be a joke though. From a joker you can never tell.
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Then who is going to check on SDP? They seem to have some things up their sleeves.
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The only PAP 'B' Team Singaporeans witness past 20 years is SDP and Dr Chee.
Dr Chee broke up a perfectly growing SDP under Chiam See Tong and lost all 3 seats at GE1997 that was won at GE1991 under Chiam See Tong's SDP.
This is because Chee's SDP decide to focus on making as much inaccurate noise in Parliament, being aggressive in Parliament, exposing SDP to lawsuits , conducting civil disobedience and getting arrested rather than running town councils and bonding with residents via grassroots.
The loss caused Singaporeans to lose faith in Opposition for 20 years untl GE2011 when WP made a difficult breakthrough. PAP kept harping Opposition cannot run a SMC let alone a GRC because of SDP's loss at GE1997. SDP almost destroyed Opposition Cause with their antics.
Civil disobedience, bankruptcy, arrests, lawsuits etc gave Opposition a bad image and reminded Singaporeans to fear PAP even more. SDP actually made PAP more feared and more powerful instead and Singaporeans felt more hopeless.
Many good people wanted to join Opposition but seeing Dr Chee's situation decided not to. This lack of good people joining Opposition gave many Walkovers to PAP for 20 years in every elections. SDP only gave Walkovers to Singaporeans at elections because CSJ and gang kept getting barred from elections because of their antics.
What choice, what democracy, what rights, what hope, what change, what impact and what freedom did SDP gave Singaporeans past 20 years ? Nothing at all.
Democracy is not just freedom to have civil disobedience but democracy is also about giving people choice to change governments in elections, not change Opposition parties.
Now PAP once again wants to unleash the Kraken in CSJ to confuse and disrupt alternative parties progress from GE2011 by agreeing to give discount from $500,000 to $30,000 so that CSJ can take part in elections. Destructive, disruptive and history repeats itself.
SPP at least kept one seat in Parliament for 15 years after GE1997 and never got voted out and lose seats before GE2011. SPP was already small and weak when Chiam started it. 15 years down the road under different political landscape, SPP did contest one GRC at least. One less than SDP only who under Chee did not grow much too despite having longer time of brand name.
It took Chiam and SDP 15 years to win 3 seats at GE1991. So how can you say SDP would not have grown under Chiam when SDP did grew under Chiam at GE1991.
Not even WP lost seats before. JBJ was disqualified from Parliament after being charged and Yaw Shin Leong was sacked by WP. None was voted out.
SDP under Dr Chee after GE1997 past 15 years got voted out of Bukit Gombak and Nee Soon Central, never grow but got smaller and did not even win any seats. You call this good record ?
It is not grandmother's story but true facts. No Singaporean Opposition Supporter want to sacrifice another 20 years and see no result from any Alternative Parties.
Technically and officially, somebody here said there is only one Opposition in Parliament which is WP because the rest are either NCMPs or alternative parties with no seats. Even to be Opposition, political parties need to win enough seats to be Opposition.
I still believe in growing only WP to be Government as fast as possible base on Hougang and Aljunied platforms. This is irregardless what other alternative parties try to pull off, antics and plans. Every party have its own style, voters will decide.
No point running down each alternative parties now. You can run down WP all you want ONLY after WP is government and be blamed for WP government policies. No point running down WP when it is not responsible for the mess in Singapore.
No more Alternative Parties Musical Chairs we seen last 47 years.
I hardly see you commenting on negative PAP threads but comment on every negative WP thread and pretending to be SDP supporter and NSP supporter. I can only conclude you are a PAP IB.
All political parties have positives and negatives. Each wants to try their own style so let it be. Voters shall decide. SDP is free to continue to stage protest etc. WP is free to use its own tactical style. PAP is free to continue to run down anybody that gets in its way. NSP is free to continue to state the obvious. RP is free to continue to piggyback on whatever other parties started.
I dont think I am running down anybody here. I am just stating history and SDP's output last 20 years. I did not wish to do it but if people like Robox, TTR and Sam Lim continue to run down WP in all possible and petty ways instead of focusing on PAP which is the main reason for ruining Singaporean's lives, then I wish to join in the fun too.
TTR's record until BE2012 was normal, you seldom see people posting negatives about SDP and WP too and everyone were attacking only PAP. But BE2012 onwards, turn its focus on WP more so the negatives about WP, SDP, RP, NSP etc started appearing too. TTR is the root culprit for everything.
Yes, all political parties have its negatives but we leave it to Singapore Media to dig it out as tradition and Internet is more the opposite direction. All Opposition supporters understood all Alternative Parties have bad points as well but like Singapore Media for PAP, we help each other out by minimising these negatives for Alternative Parties.
Now TTR wants to upset the equilibrium and test all Alternative Parties supporters patience and confuse them. The Anti-WP and pro-SDP stance had upset the Balance and tilt into PAP's favour.
Then more and more people will join in the fun, end result could only be disaster for all alternative parties at GE2016 and glee for PAP as every alternative party supporter rather see each other die and drag each other down than let any alternative party beat them to beating PAP.
I hardly see you commenting on negative PAP threads but comment on every negative WP thread and pretending to be SDP supporter and NSP supporter. I can only conclude you are a PAP IB.
Pappy Tan The Temasek Review
The only PAP 'B' Team Singaporeans witness past 20 years is SDP and Dr Chee.
Dr Chee broke up a perfectly growing SDP under Chiam See Tong and lost all 3 seats at GE1997 that was won at GE1991 under Chiam See Tong's SDP.
This is because Chee's SDP decide to focus on making as much inaccurate noise in Parliament, being aggressive in Parliament, exposing SDP to lawsuits , conducting civil disobedience and getting arrested rather than running town councils and bonding with residents via grassroots.
The loss caused Singaporeans to lose faith in Opposition for 20 years untl GE2011 when WP made a difficult breakthrough. PAP kept harping Opposition cannot run a SMC let alone a GRC because of SDP's loss at GE1997. SDP almost destroyed Opposition Cause with their antics.
Civil disobedience, bankruptcy, arrests, lawsuits etc gave Opposition a bad image and reminded Singaporeans to fear PAP even more. SDP actually made PAP more feared and more powerful instead and Singaporeans felt more hopeless.
Many good people wanted to join Opposition but seeing Dr Chee's situation decided not to. This lack of good people joining Opposition gave many Walkovers to PAP for 20 years in every elections. SDP only gave Walkovers to Singaporeans at elections because CSJ and gang kept getting barred from elections because of their antics.
What choice, what democracy, what rights, what hope, what change, what impact and what freedom did SDP gave Singaporeans past 20 years ? Nothing at all.
Democracy is not just freedom to have civil disobedience but democracy is also about giving people choice to change governments in elections, not change Opposition parties.
Now PAP once again wants to unleash the Kraken in CSJ to confuse and disrupt alternative parties progress from GE2011 by agreeing to give discount from $500,000 to $30,000 so that CSJ can take part in elections. Destructive, disruptive and history repeats itself.
SPP at least kept one seat in Parliament for 15 years after GE1997 and never got voted out and lose seats before GE2011. SPP was already small and weak when Chiam started it. 15 years down the road under different political landscape, SPP did contest one GRC at least. One less than SDP only who under Chee did not grow much too despite having longer time of brand name.
It took Chiam and SDP 15 years to win 3 seats at GE1991. So how can you say SDP would not have grown under Chiam when SDP did grew under Chiam at GE1991.
Not even WP lost seats before. JBJ was disqualified from Parliament after being charged and Yaw Shin Leong was sacked by WP. None was voted out.
SDP under Dr Chee after GE1997 past 15 years got voted out of Bukit Gombak and Nee Soon Central, never grow but got smaller and did not even win any seats. You call this good record ?
It is not grandmother's story but true facts. No Singaporean Opposition Supporter want to sacrifice another 20 years and see no result from any Alternative Parties.
Technically and officially, somebody here said there is only one Opposition in Parliament which is WP because the rest are either NCMPs or alternative parties with no seats. Even to be Opposition, political parties need to win enough seats to be Opposition.
I still believe in growing only WP to be Government as fast as possible base on Hougang and Aljunied platforms. This is irregardless what other alternative parties try to pull off, antics and plans. Every party have its own style, voters will decide.
No point running down each alternative parties now. You can run down WP all you want ONLY after WP is government and be blamed for WP government policies. No point running down WP when it is not responsible for the mess in Singapore.
No more Alternative Parties Musical Chairs we seen last 47 years.
I hardly see you commenting on negative PAP threads but comment on every negative WP thread and pretending to be SDP supporter and NSP supporter. I can only conclude you are a PAP IB.
All political parties have positives and negatives. Each wants to try their own style so let it be. Voters shall decide. SDP is free to continue to stage protest etc. WP is free to use its own tactical style. PAP is free to continue to run down anybody that gets in its way. NSP is free to continue to state the obvious. RP is free to continue to piggyback on whatever other parties started.
I dont think I am running down anybody here. I am just stating history and SDP's output last 20 years. I did not wish to do it but if people like Robox, TTR and Sam Lim continue to run down WP in all possible and petty ways instead of focusing on PAP which is the main reason for ruining Singaporean's lives, then I wish to join in the fun too.
TTR's record until BE2012 was normal, you seldom see people posting negatives about SDP and WP too and everyone were attacking only PAP. But BE2012 onwards, turn its focus on WP more so the negatives about WP, SDP, RP, NSP etc started appearing too. TTR is the root culprit for everything.
Yes, all political parties have its negatives but we leave it to Singapore Media to dig it out as tradition and Internet is more the opposite direction. All Opposition supporters understood all Alternative Parties have bad points as well but like Singapore Media for PAP, we help each other out by minimising these negatives for Alternative Parties.
Now TTR wants to upset the equilibrium and test all Alternative Parties supporters patience and confuse them. The Anti-WP and pro-SDP stance had upset the Balance and tilt into PAP's favour.
Then more and more people will join in the fun, end result could only be disaster for all alternative parties at GE2016 and glee for PAP as every alternative party supporter rather see each other die and drag each other down than let any alternative party beat them to beating PAP.
I hardly see you commenting on negative PAP threads but comment on every negative WP thread and pretending to be SDP supporter and NSP supporter. I can only conclude you are a PAP IB.
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I have this feeling that they are getting worse rather than better.
After the MX9, Yawgate and copy-cat incident, I thought they would be wiser, more sensitive in things they are dealing but no. They came up with that Lucky Draw for Vote blunder. What an amateurish act and how amateur can you get in opposition politics? This has nothing to do with how long you are in parliament... this just reflect the inherent naivety in them. You want to get more of this mould into parliament again? Give me a break lah!
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After the MX9, Yawgate and copy-cat incident, I thought they would be wiser, more sensitive in things they are dealing but no. They came up with that Lucky Draw for Vote blunder. What an amateurish act and how amateur can you get in opposition politics? This has nothing to do with how long you are in parliament... this just reflect the inherent naivety in them. You want to get more of this mould into parliament again? Give me a break lah!
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Well, unless you want me to help PAP to improve their MPs performance in parliament! 
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From today's ST:
Former Nominated MP Siew Kum Hong believes a six-cornered fight "will only hand Punggol East to the PAP on a silver platter''.
He added: "If any opposition party other than WP contests, it would be taking a huge risk of being seen as a spoiler, which would inevitably affect its chances in the next general election."
Small words from a small mind. WP is not the only opposition. If so everyone else may just as well close shop and let WP contest everywhere in 2016.
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Really hope that such a quality candidate like Jufrie stands in Punggol East. After all, if the Sec-Gen cannot stand due to disqualification for a criminal conviction then the next *best* person in the quality slate of SDP candidates should be none other than the party Chairman. Hope SDP will not be shy or coy about this. I am sure Jufrie will bond extremely well with Punggol voters.
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I strongly believe it is all part of a show of brinkmanship to force LHL's hand.
WP won't back down, not after gaining more than 41% of the votes in the last GE. To do so is paramount to committing political suicide, disappointing all their supporters.
SDP will not contest as contesting in a ward where another opposition party has a strong support of 41% in a past election will set a precedence for 3-corner fights in all PAP wards in future elections, a scenario that will set back opposition ambition by a generation. Also if you let a winable ward fall into PAP hands due to vote dilution, it could set the stage for it being absorbed into a GRC. I give SDP the benefit of the doubt that they will look at the larger picture rather than partition interest. Instead, they are likely to pull out at the last minute and say to WP, "I will let you have this one but you owe me one".
RP is a more enigmatic party and not easy to judge its intention. They will probably play by ear and decide on their chances of final participation at the last minute depending on the support they perceived.
As there is not a small cost involved in campaigning, let alone losing the deposit. I cannot see any serious party joining the fray with no intention to win. Joker candidates who do not expect to win at all is another matter altogether as they will spend next to nothing on campaigning and only worry about losing their deposits.
WP won't back down, not after gaining more than 41% of the votes in the last GE. To do so is paramount to committing political suicide, disappointing all their supporters.
SDP will not contest as contesting in a ward where another opposition party has a strong support of 41% in a past election will set a precedence for 3-corner fights in all PAP wards in future elections, a scenario that will set back opposition ambition by a generation. Also if you let a winable ward fall into PAP hands due to vote dilution, it could set the stage for it being absorbed into a GRC. I give SDP the benefit of the doubt that they will look at the larger picture rather than partition interest. Instead, they are likely to pull out at the last minute and say to WP, "I will let you have this one but you owe me one".
RP is a more enigmatic party and not easy to judge its intention. They will probably play by ear and decide on their chances of final participation at the last minute depending on the support they perceived.
As there is not a small cost involved in campaigning, let alone losing the deposit. I cannot see any serious party joining the fray with no intention to win. Joker candidates who do not expect to win at all is another matter altogether as they will spend next to nothing on campaigning and only worry about losing their deposits.
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I guess it's because these are make-beliefs or not exclusive shortcomings of WP that critics cannot find anything better to fault.
Which is why many are still not convinced that WP deserves less support than it currently has.
The blatant mistake I am seeing here is a party that has promoted opposition unity so much that it looks silly going back on its word.
On top of that they are asking the original party who contested there to get lost.
If WP had been caught doing that, I am sure you will pounce on it and wave this deed for the next 10 years.
In this case because it's not the WP, I am sure some can pretend not to notice it.
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I agree with you. It is small minded and WP is not the only opposition. Multicorner contests should be welcome or it is akin to asking certain parties to make undeserving sacrifices. There may come a day where opposition can also win PAP votes and cause them to lose. By the time, multicorner contests will be more important.
Ironically, WP was the first party to believe that any party should be allowed to contest anywhere. The rest including SDP tried to oppose this view, in the end lan lan still have to follow WP's route.
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