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S Pass workers may face tightening measures: Tan Chuan-Jin

Loofydralb

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Wah don t be too happy. Many companies will pack up and leave Singapore maybe forever. Singaporeans will be jobless as there will be fewer companies may be left with GLCs. Less people means less incentives to build more shops and malls, restaurants etc.... Growth will be affected. Investors lack the confidence to invest here. Singapore not like other countries like Malaysia or Thailand with big population and natural resources and land. There will be less taxes for Singapore to collect. Less subsidies for housing,health, transport... Just look at Japan. It's become a nation of retirees as the young and able move abroad as very little employment opportunities there.

The biggest beneficiaries are Malaysia, Thailand, Myanmar maybe even Philippines. They must be laughing and waiting for Singapore companies to move there and provide employment for their citizens. No need for them to become hated FTs in Singapore when jobs are being in their own countries.

Bad bad news for Singapore.

Well good riddance to exploitation by these leech companies.

Anyway the current policies DOES NOT benefit a lot of Singaporeans. So might as well change the policies and see the ridding the country of low-level menial industries will benefit all of us. Plus the added benefit of not having our space being squeezed out by the hoards of barbarians.
 

Valdez

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Mr Tan noted that if tightening is too aggressive, many businesses will fold and if it is too slow, the economy will lose the momentum for change, so a careful balance is needed.

This is the usual BS they try to feed us whenever this issue comes up. Is folding up a really bad option? PAP delibrately raised salaries and CPF rates at one time to indirectly force smaller non-mechanised companies to the nearby neighbouts, saying that we want to rise up the food chain. You believe that many of these SMEs will move to Malaysia (uncertain politics), Indonesia (look at the almost uncontrollable workforce there), Thailand (with the language and nationalistic issues)?

If these SMEs who have been fed the opium of cheap labour in recent years have not thought about expanding, what will make them expand or move now?

You are way behind time. Businesses exists for the purpose of making money. Have you been to johore? Land cost is 30 times cheaper, labour cost is 3 to 4 times lower, tax incentives for 10 years, infrastructure on par if not better, workers just as skillful, housing cost is 10 times cheaper,lots of malls and places of entertainment, the tanjong pelepas port is less than 15 minutes away, port levy 10 times cheaper.some petty crimes but tolerable. Makes bad business sense to remain in Singapore. The government here so scared of the population, fearing another Arab spring which is nonsense, that they are reacting to the slightest complaints and making stupid decisions. Most businessmen I talk to have really lost confidence in the govt to look after their interest. 80% of GDP growth is from the SMEs. Can you imagine the damage it will do if 50% relocate or close their operations. 43 years of wealth will slowly dwindle away. Singaporeans will soon be seeking jobs overseas. Our biggest assets, our homes will be worth pittance as there will be no more demand when foreigners stop coming and singaporeans and PRs leave. The singapore dollar will have to depreciated driving up inflation. By then the PAP will not be in power brought down not by the people but by weak leadership.
 

Valdez

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Well good riddance to exploitation by these leech companies.

Anyway the current policies DOES NOT benefit a lot of Singaporeans. So might as well change the policies and see the ridding the country of low-level menial industries will benefit all of us. Plus the added benefit of not having our space being squeezed out by the hoards of barbarians.

The problem with Singaporeans they think the govt will give them handouts if they got no jobs. They think they can get $4000 to $5000 jobs easily if there is no competition from foreigners. Stop dreaming. If the MNCs got to pay such high salaries to all its Singaporean workers and having to work with a govt that changes directions like changing underwear, might as well pack up and leave.
 

Confuseous

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You are way behind time. Businesses exists for the purpose of making money. Have you been to johore? Land cost is 30 times cheaper, labour cost is 3 to 4 times lower, tax incentives for 10 years, infrastructure on par if not better, workers just as skillful, housing cost is 10 times cheaper,lots of malls and places of entertainment, the tanjong pelepas port is less than 15 minutes away, port levy 10 times cheaper.some petty crimes but tolerable. Makes bad business sense to remain in Singapore. The government here so scared of the population, fearing another Arab spring which is nonsense, that they are reacting to the slightest complaints and making stupid decisions. Most businessmen I talk to have really lost confidence in the govt to look after their interest. 80% of GDP growth is from the SMEs. Can you imagine the damage it will do if 50% relocate or close their operations. 43 years of wealth will slowly dwindle away. Singaporeans will soon be seeking jobs overseas. Our biggest assets, our homes will be worth pittance as there will be no more demand when foreigners stop coming and singaporeans and PRs leave. The singapore dollar will have to depreciated driving up inflation. By then the PAP will not be in power brought down not by the people but by weak leadership.

Good points. So I guess the question is: why then are these SMEs not moving to Johor yet. The writing on the wall has been around for some time. Singtel started locating their help/call centres more than 10 years ago to Malacca. Today, their technical help lines are answered in KL. SMEs thought cheap opium would be forever there. And now they are suffering the withdrawal symptons and screaming murder.
 

melzp

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No matter what, the Govt always favors employers, who are the ATM(tax) n employers for
the(supposedly citizens). But instead, which bizman wouldn't want to stretch his profit by
getting foreigners??
Dont let statistics fool you. There are many ways to manipulate Govt policies.
Employers hv bought pte properties to become landlords of their own employees.
They may be elevated to EP; but come pay day, exchanges take place.
There is nothing the Govt can do about it; except to Molly-coddle employers.
 

Valdez

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Good points. So I guess the question is: why then are these SMEs not moving to Johor yet. The writing on the wall has been around for some time. Singtel started locating their help/call centres more than 10 years ago to Malacca. Today, their technical help lines are answered in KL. SMEs thought cheap opium would be forever there. And now they are suffering the withdrawal symptons and screaming murder.

The exodus is just beginning. The SMEs can take no more of the pain. Haven t you been reading the news lately. 3500 SMEs has moved or are moving their operations to iskander. So much so that ascendas is joint forces with UEM to build a sgd 1.5 billion business park at nusajaya. No prize for guessing who they are targeting.
 

Valdez

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Good points. So I guess the question is: why then are these SMEs not moving to Johor yet. The writing on the wall has been around for some time. Singtel started locating their help/call centres more than 10 years ago to Malacca. Today, their technical help lines are answered in KL. SMEs thought cheap opium would be forever there. And now they are suffering the withdrawal symptons and screaming murder.


Cheap as China and closer: Malaysia zone woos Singapore firms

By Kevin Lim and Eveline Danubrata

SINGAPORE (Reuters) - When Tastyfood Industries decided to boost production to meet demand in Africa and the Middle East, the maker of Mr Cafe instant coffee and Vitamax cereal did not expand its Singapore factory or another one it owns in Xiamen, China.

Instead, it plans to close its Singapore plant next year and move up the road to Malaysia's Iskandar economic zone, where it will set up a factory three times the size on low-cost freehold land and hire willing workers as cheaply as it can in China.

"New generation Singaporeans do not like production positions as they are more educated now," Tastyfood founder and managing director Joseph Lim, a Singaporean, told Reuters.

"It's not easy to manage a manufacturing company in Singapore unless you are in high-tech, high value-added businesses like pharmaceuticals."

Singapore companies dominate the firms setting up factories in Iskandar, accounting for around 15 percent of the 32.7 billion ringgit committed as of June, according to the Iskandar Regional Development Authority (IRDA).

Firms from Spain, Japan, the Netherlands and Germany are other large manufacturers in the zone in Malaysia's southern state of Johor, while companies from the United Arab Emirates are involved in housing and other property projects.

Lim, who will keep Tastyfood's marketing and product development operations in Singapore, said an average factory worker in Malaysia and China earns S$400-500 per month, less than half the wage in the wealthy city-state.

Proximity is also key. The new Iskandar factory is just a 30-minute drive from Tastyfood's home base and major market, he said, against the four-hour flight from Xiamen.

"Doing business in China also carries a lot of risks, although things have been improving there," Lim said.

Singapore manufacturers are not the only ones heading to Iskandar.

Theme park Legoland and Britain's Marlborough College chose Iskandar for their first forays into Asia. U.S.-based Simon Property Group Inc (SPG.N) set up its first Premium Outlets shopping centre in Southeast Asia there through a joint venture with Malaysia's Genting Group (GENT.KL), eyeing Singapore's affluent customers.

"We consider Johor and Singapore our resident markets," said Siegfried Boerst, general manager of Legoland Malaysia. "We are really convinced that the whole development of Iskandar will help to create major tourist destinations in southern Malaysia."

Being cheaper, and yet close by, is making Iskandar and nearby areas popular among bakeries, dry cleaners and other small and medium-sized firms that have shop-fronts in Singapore but do much of the work just across the border.

Awfully Chocolate - a Singapore cake and ice-cream retailer that has expanded into China, Taiwan and Indonesia - makes some of the items for the 10 stores in its home market at a facility near the state capital of Johor Bahru.

MUTUAL BENEFITS

In recent years, Singapore has begun to focus on banking, wealth management and other services, moving on from the manufacturing boom of the 1970s and 1980s that first brought prosperity to the city.

Iskandar, a 2,200 square km (850 square mile) zone three times the size of Singapore, is just across a narrow strip of water and Malaysia is pushing its many advantages for factories looking to relocate.

Land prices are far lower and electricity costs are about half of Singapore's rates. Tax incentives are also on offer.

Tastyfood paid 6.5 million ringgit for its freehold site in Iskandar that is the size of two soccer fields - about $15 per square foot. Singapore prices industrial sites by the potential built-up area and the cost could have been up to 30 times more.

Many see the budding relationship between Iskandar and Singapore as similar to the role that Shenzhen, once home to fishing villages and now a vibrant manufacturing centre, played in the growth of Hong Kong.

The Hong Kong Trade Development Council says the territory's companies now employ about 11 million people in Shenzhen and other parts of the Pearl River Delta, but still use Hong Kong for logistics, marketing, banking and other services.

But the shared history of the two Southeast Asian states may give some investors pause. Singapore was once part of Malaysia but was expelled in 1965 amid tensions between its Malay-dominated government and the city-state's ethnic Chinese rulers.

Fifteen years ago, former Singapore Prime Minister Lee Kuan Yew derided Johor as "notorious for shootings, muggings and carjackings" - reflecting the still testy relationship as much as the rough-and-tumble realities of the Malaysian state.

LUKEWARM

Singapore firms were initially lukewarm about Iskandar and interest picked up only after the two countries signed a broad agreement in 2010 to address longstanding issues.

Both countries are discussing shared immigration check-points to speed up traffic on the two bridges across the causeway, along with ferry and water services. Subway operator SMRT Corp (SMRT.SI) will build a rapid rail transit link to connect Johor to Singapore by 2018.

A number of Singapore residents have already bought homes in Iskandar, including Templeton fund manager Mark Mobius, who has a bungalow for weekend getaways.

Malaysia's IHH Healthcare Bhd is building a 300-bed hospital that will provide medical treatment to Singaporeans at half the cost.

The many changes "gave us the extra encouragement", said Singapore businessman Ricky Tan, whose Kinderworld group is building a private school with boarding facilities in Iskandar.

Ismail Ibrahim, head of the IRDA, said the Singapore companies in Iskandar are mostly small and medium enterprises but he is confident the larger firms will follow.

"We have the space, we have the geographical position and we have all the necessary infrastructure," he said. "With the right signals from both governments, big players from Singapore will be definitely coming in."

One of them could be engineering and property conglomerate Keppel Corp (KPLM.SI), which is in talks to buy a 30 percent stake in a power plant that will supply electricity to Singapore, according to media reports.

Singapore state investor Temasek Holdings is involved in two large property developments in Iskandar that will cost an estimated 3 billion ringgit.

Still, some analysts warn that improved Singapore-Malaysia relations could hit a few speed bumps in the medium term. Ties could sour if there are changes to the political leadership in either country, said Chan Chong Beng, president of Singapore's Association of Small and Medium Enterprises.

The association recently surveyed members to gauge their interest in Iskandar and found that several had concerns about crime and the potential for costs to rise rapidly due to the zone's proximity to Singapore.

Many analysts and businessmen say there is a mutual interest in having Iskandar flourish.

"In the past, relations between Singapore and Malaysia were a bit chaotic," said Kinderworld's Tan. "But I think the economic benefits will drive the politicians in the future."

(Additional reporting by Charmian Kok in SINGAPORE and Siva Sithraputhran in KUALA LUMPUR; Editing by John O'Callaghan and Raju Gopalakrishnan)
 

Valdez

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Good points. So I guess the question is: why then are these SMEs not moving to Johor yet. The writing on the wall has been around for some time. Singtel started locating their help/call centres more than 10 years ago to Malacca. Today, their technical help lines are answered in KL. SMEs thought cheap opium would be forever there. And now they are suffering the withdrawal symptons and screaming murder.


Cheap as China and closer: Malaysia zone woos Singapore firms

By Kevin Lim and Eveline Danubrata

SINGAPORE (Reuters) - When Tastyfood Industries decided to boost production to meet demand in Africa and the Middle East, the maker of Mr Cafe instant coffee and Vitamax cereal did not expand its Singapore factory or another one it owns in Xiamen, China.

Instead, it plans to close its Singapore plant next year and move up the road to Malaysia's Iskandar economic zone, where it will set up a factory three times the size on low-cost freehold land and hire willing workers as cheaply as it can in China.

"New generation Singaporeans do not like production positions as they are more educated now," Tastyfood founder and managing director Joseph Lim, a Singaporean, told Reuters.

"It's not easy to manage a manufacturing company in Singapore unless you are in high-tech, high value-added businesses like pharmaceuticals."

Singapore companies dominate the firms setting up factories in Iskandar, accounting for around 15 percent of the 32.7 billion ringgit committed as of June, according to the Iskandar Regional Development Authority (IRDA).

Firms from Spain, Japan, the Netherlands and Germany are other large manufacturers in the zone in Malaysia's southern state of Johor, while companies from the United Arab Emirates are involved in housing and other property projects.

Lim, who will keep Tastyfood's marketing and product development operations in Singapore, said an average factory worker in Malaysia and China earns S$400-500 per month, less than half the wage in the wealthy city-state.

Proximity is also key. The new Iskandar factory is just a 30-minute drive from Tastyfood's home base and major market, he said, against the four-hour flight from Xiamen.

"Doing business in China also carries a lot of risks, although things have been improving there," Lim said.

Singapore manufacturers are not the only ones heading to Iskandar.

Theme park Legoland and Britain's Marlborough College chose Iskandar for their first forays into Asia. U.S.-based Simon Property Group Inc (SPG.N) set up its first Premium Outlets shopping centre in Southeast Asia there through a joint venture with Malaysia's Genting Group (GENT.KL), eyeing Singapore's affluent customers.

"We consider Johor and Singapore our resident markets," said Siegfried Boerst, general manager of Legoland Malaysia. "We are really convinced that the whole development of Iskandar will help to create major tourist destinations in southern Malaysia."

Being cheaper, and yet close by, is making Iskandar and nearby areas popular among bakeries, dry cleaners and other small and medium-sized firms that have shop-fronts in Singapore but do much of the work just across the border.

Awfully Chocolate - a Singapore cake and ice-cream retailer that has expanded into China, Taiwan and Indonesia - makes some of the items for the 10 stores in its home market at a facility near the state capital of Johor Bahru.

MUTUAL BENEFITS

In recent years, Singapore has begun to focus on banking, wealth management and other services, moving on from the manufacturing boom of the 1970s and 1980s that first brought prosperity to the city.

Iskandar, a 2,200 square km (850 square mile) zone three times the size of Singapore, is just across a narrow strip of water and Malaysia is pushing its many advantages for factories looking to relocate.

Land prices are far lower and electricity costs are about half of Singapore's rates. Tax incentives are also on offer.

Tastyfood paid 6.5 million ringgit for its freehold site in Iskandar that is the size of two soccer fields - about $15 per square foot. Singapore prices industrial sites by the potential built-up area and the cost could have been up to 30 times more.

Many see the budding relationship between Iskandar and Singapore as similar to the role that Shenzhen, once home to fishing villages and now a vibrant manufacturing centre, played in the growth of Hong Kong.

The Hong Kong Trade Development Council says the territory's companies now employ about 11 million people in Shenzhen and other parts of the Pearl River Delta, but still use Hong Kong for logistics, marketing, banking and other services.

But the shared history of the two Southeast Asian states may give some investors pause. Singapore was once part of Malaysia but was expelled in 1965 amid tensions between its Malay-dominated government and the city-state's ethnic Chinese rulers.

Fifteen years ago, former Singapore Prime Minister Lee Kuan Yew derided Johor as "notorious for shootings, muggings and carjackings" - reflecting the still testy relationship as much as the rough-and-tumble realities of the Malaysian state.

LUKEWARM

Singapore firms were initially lukewarm about Iskandar and interest picked up only after the two countries signed a broad agreement in 2010 to address longstanding issues.

Both countries are discussing shared immigration check-points to speed up traffic on the two bridges across the causeway, along with ferry and water services. Subway operator SMRT Corp (SMRT.SI) will build a rapid rail transit link to connect Johor to Singapore by 2018.

A number of Singapore residents have already bought homes in Iskandar, including Templeton fund manager Mark Mobius, who has a bungalow for weekend getaways.

Malaysia's IHH Healthcare Bhd is building a 300-bed hospital that will provide medical treatment to Singaporeans at half the cost.

The many changes "gave us the extra encouragement", said Singapore businessman Ricky Tan, whose Kinderworld group is building a private school with boarding facilities in Iskandar.

Ismail Ibrahim, head of the IRDA, said the Singapore companies in Iskandar are mostly small and medium enterprises but he is confident the larger firms will follow.

"We have the space, we have the geographical position and we have all the necessary infrastructure," he said. "With the right signals from both governments, big players from Singapore will be definitely coming in."

One of them could be engineering and property conglomerate Keppel Corp (KPLM.SI), which is in talks to buy a 30 percent stake in a power plant that will supply electricity to Singapore, according to media reports.

Singapore state investor Temasek Holdings is involved in two large property developments in Iskandar that will cost an estimated 3 billion ringgit.

Still, some analysts warn that improved Singapore-Malaysia relations could hit a few speed bumps in the medium term. Ties could sour if there are changes to the political leadership in either country, said Chan Chong Beng, president of Singapore's Association of Small and Medium Enterprises.

The association recently surveyed members to gauge their interest in Iskandar and found that several had concerns about crime and the potential for costs to rise rapidly due to the zone's proximity to Singapore.

Many analysts and businessmen say there is a mutual interest in having Iskandar flourish.

"In the past, relations between Singapore and Malaysia were a bit chaotic," said Kinderworld's Tan. "But I think the economic benefits will drive the politicians in the future."

(Additional reporting by Charmian Kok in SINGAPORE and Siva Sithraputhran in KUALA LUMPUR; Editing by John O'Callaghan and Raju Gopalakrishnan)
 

Valdez

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Good points. So I guess the question is: why then are these SMEs not moving to Johor yet. The writing on the wall has been around for some time. Singtel started locating their help/call centres more than 10 years ago to Malacca. Today, their technical help lines are answered in KL. SMEs thought cheap opium would be forever there. And now they are suffering the withdrawal symptons and screaming murder.


Channel News Asia : Local firms move operations to Iskandar Malaysia to save cost
Posted on September 25, 2012
24/9/2012



SINGAPORE: More than 3,500 Singapore businesses have set up shop across the causeway in Iskandar Malaysia over the past six years, with a cumulative investment of more than RM5 billion as at June 2012.

Iskandar Malaysia is a special economic zone in Johor, Malaysia that was launched in 2006. It covers an area of 2,217 square kilometers and is administered by the Iskandar Regional Development Authority, a Malaysian Federal government statutory body.

Over 70 per cent of the businesses are small and medium enterprises.

Fishing equipment supplier Hong Guan started operations in its Iskandar warehouse in May.

Twice as large as its warehouse in Singapore, Hong Guan’s 14,800 square feet freehold space cost about S$900,000.

Its local warehouse will shut down next month.

Hong Guan’s managing director, Lee Seng Shoy, said: “Singapore will always be our HQ and the brain centre but from a business point of view, we need to be competitive and cost is always a factor. We foresee Iskandar helping us contain our costs and that is something we’re leveraging on so we hope that by moving to Iskandar on the logistics side, we are actually enjoying the best of both worlds.”

Similarly, Global Capital & Development wants to replicate on a larger scale in Medini, a core development zone in the Iskandar Development Region.

Global Capital & Development, the developer of Medini, is supported by a consortium which includes the Khazanah-backed Iskandar Investment Berhad.

It hopes companies in Singapore and Medini can work together as a single entity to bid for projects.

Global Capital & Development’s CEO, Keith Martin, said: “We have Pinewood Malaysia Studios, Medini Media Village and straightaway we went and spoke to the Media Development Authority of Singapore and Mediapolis in Singapore. If you now add up the sum of those parts, it’s a much greater proposition. And within a one hour driving radius, we have everything we need to take a TV or film production from a draft script to a full finished product.”

With increasing business activity in Iskandar, other firms are moving in with the aim of gaining first-mover advantage.

Shanker Iyer, Chairman, The Iyer Practice’s chairman, Shanker Iyer, said: “We think it could be two or three years before this place really starts to get up and running. Initially our main activity would be to offshore some of our less important activities from Singapore to Iskandar. That is actually becoming a need now, because the rising cost of doing business in Singapore, the immigration challenges now, the reduction in S-passes – it’s beginning to affect firms like us.”

But most acknowledged that concerns remain, such as crime, and the lack of a critical mass of human capital and supporting businesses.

But the authorities are confident the situation will improve.

Iskandar Regional Development Authority’s chief executive, Datuk Ismail Ibrahim, said: “As we have seen today, there has been increased bilateral ties between Malaysia and Singapore, and from which the greatest beneficiary is definitely going to be Iskandar Malaysia. We would like to create an environment where both Singapore and Iskandar will see themselves as one destination, not only for investment but for people to work as well as other offerings.”

Into its sixth year of development, the Iskandar region in Johor, Malaysia has seen annual investment growth of 8 per cent with Singapore firms accounting for 5 per cent of total foreign investment.
 

Valdez

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Well all wayang only mah

A lot of us don t like foreign workers not because they are cheap but we fear they are not only cheap but good as well. If they are cheap and they are good and contribute to nation building and to give the next generation of Singaporeans a better life they should be welcomed. Period.
 

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SINGAPORE: Acting Manpower Minister Tan Chuan-Jin said there will be no U-turn on the tightening of foreign worker inflow into Singapore.

He hinted that foreign workers in the S Pass category may face further tightening measures as early as the first quarter of 2013.

S Pass holders are mid-level workers earning at least S$2,000 a month.

MOM will make minimiun token salary for local of at least S$1500 to be counted as /or qualify for quota calculation. CPF will then printout a list for MOM so that they will conduct more company audit which they have already said so recently. This is a full scale entrapment so that if not careful all will be fine as that fxxxker Tan and K.Yap want to send all Small time Singaporean employers to Jail.
 
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mojito

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80% of GDP growth is from the SMEs. Can you imagine the damage it will do if 50% relocate or close their operations. 43 years of wealth will slowly dwindle away. Singaporeans will soon be seeking jobs overseas.

Welcome to the forum. I have added to your rep.

Can you reference the source of the statement highlighted in bold? You are implying that 80% of all economic growth from independence is attributed to our humble SMEs toiling away quietly. I would like to challenge that assertion.

The point regarding "Singaporeans having to seek jobs overseas" when SMEs relocate, I am sure that it will happen sooner or later. Why prolong the agony? Obviously I can't assess the impact economy-wide, I have this impression that SMEs have a 4:1 (or worse) ratio of foreigners to locals, so shifting some operations elsewhere can help alleviate existing strains on the infrastructure. Remember hor, when companies hire one more foreigner into this country, society bears a cost, that of lost opportunities, competition for healthcare, public services, housing, etc. Time to man up and stop playing Capitalism on Easy mode.
 
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