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Russia and China vs the Rest of the World

glockman

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WW3 Axis powers Russia and China

Vladimir Putin is successfully ‘playing the China card’ against the US, analysts say​


Mark Magnier
Thu, 24 February 2022, 5:11 am·5-min read

Moscow was shocked when US president Richard Nixon drove a wedge between the Soviet Union and China 50 years ago but now Russia is returning the favour, analysts said on Wednesday as they assessed the US-China-Russia dynamic.

Since 2014, Vladimir Putin’s Russia has effectively exploited Beijing’s rising disenchantment and frustration with the United States, amplified by the confrontational policies of Donald Trump’s administration.

“Putin played the China card on us,” said Evan Medeiros, Asia studies chairman at Georgetown University. “And that’s been very, very successful. So … the challenges of us trying to divide them are substantial.”

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The ties between Russia and China were strengthened when President Xi Jinping tacitly supported Moscow’s invasion and annexation of Crimea in 2014, analysts said, support that could be reciprocated should Beijing try to take Taiwan by force.

“It contributes to Putin’s sense of confidence and helps explain why Putin judges that this is his time to push his maximalist demands,” said Andrea Kendall-Taylor, a fellow at the Centre for a New American Security.

“He knows he has a partner in crime. He’s got Xi in his corner. They’re working together now to really push back and try to change the order that they view doesn’t advantage either of them.”

The US government is also raising the alarm about those efforts, with State Department spokesman Ned Price pointing to the lengthy communique issued by Moscow and Beijing earlier this month as evidence of a joint vision of a “destructive” new world order.

“This is an order that is and would be profoundly illiberal, an order that stands in contrast to the system that countries around the world – including, by the way, Russia, and in some ways [China] – have built over the last seven decades,” Price said on Wednesday.

Xi and Putin in unity show after Russia and China left out of Biden summit

He called on Beijing to instead use its “considerable influence” on Moscow to urge Putin to refrain from violating Ukraine’s sovereignty, noting that the inviolability of territorial sovereignty was a staple of China’s own statecraft.

But analysts said the chances of the US driving a wedge between Beijing and Moscow again were significantly diminished by how different conditions are now.

China is no longer the weak nation it was in 1972. Washington was also able to exploit other fissures, such as China’s fear of a Russian attack after their 1969 border clashes, and some Chinese leaders, including Deng Xiaoping and Zhou Enlai, who favoured reform and greater ties with the West.

Now the two autocratic nations are far more strongly aligned on many counts, including shared defence interests and their distrust of democracy, human rights, rule of law and a free media.

US President Joe has expanded the sanctions against Russia to include penalties against the company that is building the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline. Photo: AP

US President Joe has expanded the sanctions against Russia to include penalties against the company that is building the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline. Photo: AP

“Even if China’s not outright and blatantly backing up Russia, there are areas of their partnership that they can still continue to work together and deepen and that are consequential to the United States,” said Kendall-Taylor.

But their national interests are far from identical, with differences that include their respective penchants for stability, said analysts at a Centre for Strategic and International Studies event.

“The Chinese don’t want a breakdown of global order … China’s rise has been facilitated by globalisation. They just want globalisation more on their terms, increasingly in terms of disadvantaging the United States and other Western economies,” said Medeiros, who served as the top Asia-Pacific policy adviser in president Barack Obama’s administration. “Putin wants to break it.”

China tries to walk diplomatic tightrope over Ukraine crisis

China also has significant economic and political interests in Ukraine as part of its Belt and Road Initiative that could be undermined by protracted disruption and war.
“They will have to balance that with the kind of support that we see them giving Russia now,” said Angela Stent, director emerita of Georgetown’s Russian studies department. “I think we’ll have to watch the reaction to the sanctions.”

On Tuesday, US President Joe Biden announced sanctions targeting two large Russian banks and Russia’s sovereign debt in response to Putin sending “peacekeeping” forces into Ukraine’s eastern breakaway regions.

He expanded the sanctions on Wednesday to include penalties against the company that is building the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline.

US analysts said the natural fissures might eventually pull China and Russia apart, but any divide could be a long way off given the strength of their current shared interests.

Others questioned the logic of trying to expand the China-Russia rift at all, arguing that this only risked pushing the two authoritarian states closer together.

“I think we spent way too much time, especially in Washington … thinking about how we need to divide Russia from China,” said Michael McFaul, international studies professor at Stanford University.

“We should be thinking much more strategically about how to unite the democratic world.”

US President Joe Biden speaks about the Russian invasion of eastern Ukraine from the White House on Tuesday. Photo: Bloomberg

US President Joe Biden speaks about the Russian invasion of eastern Ukraine from the White House on Tuesday. Photo: Bloomberg

With around half the world’s GDP, the US and its allies are in a strong position to stand up to Russia and China, said Price, adding: “We have innovation, we have entrepreneurship, we have a shared set of values that we really think are a core instrument of national power.”

McFaul said the strongest US asset is not its computer chips, aircraft carriers or soldiers. “It’s our ideas. That’s where we’re strongest against Xi Jinping,” he said. “That’s where the world is on our side.”

Analysts noted the irony of the wedge strategy coming full circle.

“The United States today finds itself in the similar situation to what the Soviet Union was in the early 1970s,” said Stent.

“And today, the US is in the position where we see these two powers coming together. I think that it’s impossible at this point to try and persuade Russia that it should weaken its ties with China.”

Additional reporting by Owen Churchill
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tanwahtiu

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What's the point of lean to the West anymore when they keep change gahmen from donkey to elephant and back to donkey again. They cannot change or balless to rectified their policy easily... stalemate...

Whereas with having same one party gahmen for long haulage can give the same gahmen chances to change, modified, amend or dump bad policy easily...

Which is your choice? Democracy and human rights with stale bad policy better to dump it...
 

glockman

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China state media editor says Beijing must back Russia over Ukraine so it gets support when it fights for Taiwan​

Bill Bostock
Wed, 23 February 2022, 7:26 pm·3-min read


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China state media editor says Beijing must back Russia over Ukraine so it gets support when it fights for Taiwan
Vladimir Putin and Xi Jinping

Russian President Vladimir Putin and Chinese President Xi Jinping in Beijing, China.Getty Images
  • A Chinese news outlet appeared to accidentally publish "instructions" to cover Russia in a good light.
  • A top Chinese editor later said China needs to back Russia so Moscow would support it over Taiwan.
  • China sees self-ruling Taiwan as its own and has threatened military conflict.
A top Chinese state media editor said Beijing needs to back Russia over Ukraine because it needs Moscow's support to assert dominance over Taiwan.

Unlike many other nations, China has not condemned President Vladimir Putin for ordering troops into eastern Ukraine, an act that Western powers consider to be a springboard for a full invasion of Ukraine.

The US and UK announced landmark sanctions on Russian companies and individuals as a result, and the EU also agreed to impose sanctions.

China's foreign ministry, however, said Wednesday that it opposes the use of the measures.

Writing on his WeChat blog Tuesday, Ming Jinwei, a senior editor at the state-run Xinhua news agency, said it is in China's interests to support Russia from afar, as Beijing will need Moscow's support when it wants to force its hand on Taiwan independence.

China has long claimed the island nation of Taiwan, which has been self-ruling for decades, as part of its territory. It has in recent months amped up its threats to engage in military conflict if Taiwan continued to assert its independence.

"China has to back Russia up with emotional and moral support while refraining from treading on the toes of the US and EU," Ming wrote.

"In the future, China will also need Russia's understanding and support when wrestling with America to solve the Taiwan issue once and for all."

"Therefore, with regard to the Ukraine crisis, China should understand Russia's legitimate security concerns," he said.

Russia has already expressed supported for China over the Taiwan issue, with foreign minister Sergey Lavrov saying last October that Russia "considers Taiwan to be part of the People's Republic of China."

On Tuesday, the state-owned Horizon News outlet appeared to accidentally post editorial "instructions" on how to cover the Russia-Ukraine issue on its Weibo page.

The memo said that any content "not positive toward Russia or positive toward West" was banned. The post was later deleted, The Washington Post reported.

'Hit hard. Hit now'​

China and Russia have grown closer in recent years — while both clashing with the US — and their militaries have increasing held joint drills on sea and land.

Putin on Monday night acknowledged that Luhansk and Donetsk, two pro-Kremlin oblasts in eastern Ukraine, were independent, and ordered Russian troops and tanks to start entering.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky called up all military reservists between the age of 18 and 60 on Wednesday, but stopped short of full mobilization.

US Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin met with Ukraine's foreign minister Tuesday to discuss "practical steps to protect Ukraine," Ukraine's foreign ministry said.

Ukraine's foreign minister Dmytro Kuleba also called for more economic sanctions against Russia on Wednesday.

"Hit hard. Hit now," he said.

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/china-state-media-editor-says-112634171.html
 

syed putra

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Unlike russia with NATO expansion, china faces no threat in asia. It was ch8na that threatened its neighbours and has started a asuan arms race.
South Korea has announced even more THAAD missiles will be deployed primarily agsinst china, its north korean ally.
 

Byebye Penis

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I feel that the duration of the war determines the winner. Putin will want the war to end quickly and not drag like chechen.
 

ginfreely

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Got war no virus same like got vaccine no other types of death.
Good catch. This dirty whore like to say digital sex and drilling
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You evil coward criminal bully Cantonese prostitute descendant same as semaj2357 aka Jeremy Quek aka glockman aka cottonmouth aka ginmother are so proud in hide in rat hole forum to tell evil filthy lies of me and insult me a virgin a dirty whore. So shameless twisting what I said of digital means using finger in rape crime to i am a slut whore and add a whistle sign to insult me slut whore and yet got the cheek to keep calling yourself wise. Evil coward bullying is what you have done and still doing to me with your cantonese pride for years and obviously bullying is nothing sensible I.e nothing wise if not murder molest rape all called wise. Pui your filthy Cantonese dirty whore phua cb!

A wise action or decision is sensible. It's never wise to withhold evidence. She had made a very wise decision. It is wise to seek help and counsel as soon as possible.

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zhihau

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Russkies out of Council of Europe, cannot use Master & Visa, but can use the new MIR payment system.

So the west going to sanction China?
 

nightsafari

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China state media editor says Beijing must back Russia over Ukraine so it gets support when it fights for Taiwan​

Bill Bostock
Wed, 23 February 2022, 7:26 pm·3-min read


d459348bcfea86ffce506b0b651ed153

China state media editor says Beijing must back Russia over Ukraine so it gets support when it fights for Taiwan
Vladimir Putin and Xi Jinping

Russian President Vladimir Putin and Chinese President Xi Jinping in Beijing, China.Getty Images
  • A Chinese news outlet appeared to accidentally publish "instructions" to cover Russia in a good light.
  • A top Chinese editor later said China needs to back Russia so Moscow would support it over Taiwan.
  • China sees self-ruling Taiwan as its own and has threatened military conflict.
A top Chinese state media editor said Beijing needs to back Russia over Ukraine because it needs Moscow's support to assert dominance over Taiwan.

Unlike many other nations, China has not condemned President Vladimir Putin for ordering troops into eastern Ukraine, an act that Western powers consider to be a springboard for a full invasion of Ukraine.

The US and UK announced landmark sanctions on Russian companies and individuals as a result, and the EU also agreed to impose sanctions.

China's foreign ministry, however, said Wednesday that it opposes the use of the measures.

Writing on his WeChat blog Tuesday, Ming Jinwei, a senior editor at the state-run Xinhua news agency, said it is in China's interests to support Russia from afar, as Beijing will need Moscow's support when it wants to force its hand on Taiwan independence.

China has long claimed the island nation of Taiwan, which has been self-ruling for decades, as part of its territory. It has in recent months amped up its threats to engage in military conflict if Taiwan continued to assert its independence.

"China has to back Russia up with emotional and moral support while refraining from treading on the toes of the US and EU," Ming wrote.

"In the future, China will also need Russia's understanding and support when wrestling with America to solve the Taiwan issue once and for all."

"Therefore, with regard to the Ukraine crisis, China should understand Russia's legitimate security concerns," he said.

Russia has already expressed supported for China over the Taiwan issue, with foreign minister Sergey Lavrov saying last October that Russia "considers Taiwan to be part of the People's Republic of China."

On Tuesday, the state-owned Horizon News outlet appeared to accidentally post editorial "instructions" on how to cover the Russia-Ukraine issue on its Weibo page.

The memo said that any content "not positive toward Russia or positive toward West" was banned. The post was later deleted, The Washington Post reported.

'Hit hard. Hit now'​

China and Russia have grown closer in recent years — while both clashing with the US — and their militaries have increasing held joint drills on sea and land.

Putin on Monday night acknowledged that Luhansk and Donetsk, two pro-Kremlin oblasts in eastern Ukraine, were independent, and ordered Russian troops and tanks to start entering.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky called up all military reservists between the age of 18 and 60 on Wednesday, but stopped short of full mobilization.

US Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin met with Ukraine's foreign minister Tuesday to discuss "practical steps to protect Ukraine," Ukraine's foreign ministry said.

Ukraine's foreign minister Dmytro Kuleba also called for more economic sanctions against Russia on Wednesday.

"Hit hard. Hit now," he said.

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/china-state-media-editor-says-112634171.html
actually a lot of people have been accusing me of white favouritism re: ukraine. My real concern is that Taiwan will be next. I don't want to repeat myself for a 3rd time.
 

glockman

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Has china decided to stay on the right side of the law and history? Long live the CCP!!! Please forgive me for lumping china together with russia as the axis evil ones!

Russia says China refuses to supply aircraft parts after sanctions​

March 10, 20226:24 PM GMT+8Last Updated 5 hours ago

March 10 (Reuters) - China has refused to supply Russian airlines with aircraft parts, an official at Russia's aviation authority was quoted by Russian news agencies as saying on Thursday, after Boeing (BA.N) and Airbus (AIR.PA) halted supply of components.

Russia's aviation sector is being squeezed by Western sanctions over the invasion of Ukraine, with Russia's foreign ministry warning this week that the safety of Russian passenger flights was under threat.

Aeroflot presents its first Airbus A350-900 at Sheremetyevo International Airport outside Moscow

A view shows the first Airbus A350-900 aircraft of Russia's flagship airline Aeroflot during a media presentation at Sheremetyevo International Airport outside Moscow,

Agencies including Interfax quoted Valery Kudinov, a Rosaviatsia official responsible for maintaining airplane airworthiness, as saying that Russia would look for opportunities to source parts from countries including Turkey and India after a failed attempt to obtain them from China.

He also said Russian companies were registering their planes, many of which had been registered abroad, in Russia after the U.S. and European Union sanctions on aviation and that he expects some others to be returned to leasing companies.

Separately, a draft law published on Thursday showed the Russian government plans to order domestic airlines to pay for leased aircraft in roubles and could bar them from returning planes to foreign companies if leases are cancelled.

https://www.reuters.com/business/ae...ly-aircraft-parts-after-sanctions-2022-03-10/
 

glockman

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actually a lot of people have been accusing me of white favouritism re: ukraine. My real concern is that Taiwan will be next. I don't want to repeat myself for a 3rd time.
In that case, I am guilty too. But like I've stated over and over again, the west with all its faults and all, is the lesser of the two evils. The other being authoritarian regimes headed by bully dictators. Anyone with an ounce of common sense and self respect would despise a bully.
 

tanwahtiu

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In that case, I am guilty too. But like I've stated over and over again, the west with all its faults and all, is the lesser of the two evils. The other being authoritarian regimes headed by bully dictators. Anyone with an ounce of common sense and self respect would despise a bully.
Anyhow point yr fingers go fuck blue camels, your clone is winner nick....

How could be a Superpower in gunboats diplomacy without bully weak nations to begin with....

When confronted with similar gunboats power can bad mouthing them as dictator. Then you parents are dictators who brought u up... so you don't get into troubles when u grown up...
 

syed putra

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Russia says China refuses to supply aircraft parts after sanctions
These are parts from boeing snd airbus. Nothing much China can do.
Russia already has the MC21. But that uses parts from the west also. Same with ch8na's comac c-919
 
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