Whoami said:
Its the same for 4:52:260. U convert to Muslim. Learn everything from the Prophet be it religion or protecting Muslim/Islam. Again its war time. U know all the secrets. U rebel, being a traitor and started spreading evil and secrets to ur enemy. U will definitely be executed to safeguard ourself right? Or else we will be perished if our enemies knows our secret and weakness.
First you kept demanding for quotes on where it is permissible to kill apostates, yelling and screaming that there is no compulsion in Islam and claiming I am lying about your precious Islam.
Then when the quotes were given, you now start to explain why it is okay to murder apostates, which actually means you do support killing people who leave Islam.
So in today's context, people who leave islam are traitors who know all your secrets and therefore should be killed or jailed until they return to Islam?
Tks for the reply.
As i had mentioned earlier post murtad is a serious crime. Why? Cos during Prophet s.a.w. time (war time) enemies of Islam were at war and they tried ways and means to kill the prophet s.a.w. Some pledged allegiance (by converting to Islam) and later rebel against the Prophet s.a.w. by joining other enemies of Islam eg during the invasion of Banu Qurayza. In war is either u kill or be killed. There were many examples. I am sure u can google and read further. So yes is permissable to execute traitors. I am sure even during this modern time traitors would be sent to the firing squad too.
Your "prophet" was eventually killed, but again, Muslim try their best to disguise this fact by saying he merely died.
Muhammad was poisoned by a Jewish woman who was enslaved by Muslims after her family was killed. Sure, you can have a complicated reason on why her family was killed, deserved to be killed, blah blah blah.
But Muhammad was foolish enough to eat a meal prepared by this woman who did have a legit reason for revenge. Muhammad or his men tortured her husband and killed him, bro. Maybe Muhammad did so to flaunt his superiority, that he can have her husband tortured and killed, have her maybe sexually assaulted, and still can make her cook him a nice lunch. Muhammad died after a long agonizing struggle with the poison. But this is a sidetrack from our discussion.
Btw why u didnt quote on Jihaad 52:258?
[FONT="]Narrated Ibn 'Umar: [/FONT][FONT="]During some of the Ghazawat of Allah's Apostle a woman was found killed, so Allah's Apostle forbade the killing of women and children.
Again i repeat,during our Prophet s.a.w. time its permissable to kill traitors (murtad) cos of war condition. If apostasy is allow to be executed 24/7 then Allah swt would have commanded so in the Quran.[/FONT]
Again, yet another explanation from you on why it is permissible to kill apostates. This is coming from you after ranting and raving that Islam permits muslims to leave islam and demanding for quotation to back up my claims which you kept yelling was false. So it turns out I wasn't make empty claims.
Muhammad's rare occasions of compassion is not relevant for this discussion on apostasy. Besides, even for bad people, they do sometimes do kind things like helping old ladies cross the road. Nobody is bad 24/7 every single moment. Even well-known villians like Hitler is known for his courtesy and being a vegan.