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Return My CPF Thread: Han HuiHui & Roy Ngerng vs the CPF/NParks
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Re: Alex Tan said no heckling by Roy and Hui Hui at the Protest. What you think?
ymca organizers did everything on purpose and they achieved their goal. rn, hhh held their ground and ended up looking like bullies. who win who lose? you tell me.
i think even the white scum minions at spf have not said anything about microphone means crime.
ymca organizers did everything on purpose and they achieved their goal. rn, hhh held their ground and ended up looking like bullies. who win who lose? you tell me.
Re: Is he sick??? Teo ser luck apologised on facebook
PAP is making a mountain out of nothing. How long can they milk this to score points?
Ordinary Roy and HHH should start putting out flyers to state the facts in Chinese, Malay and English. They should also visit kopitiams to chit chat and tell their story. Make it simple to comprehend. People, in general, cannot take in too much.
3-point message ....don't believe the PAP version (just show one or two examples of falsehood), show how inconsistent the PAP is on their treatment of the special needs children and state the fact that the time of YMCA event was changed to coincide with the protest and how the MC of that event was engaged in politicking.
PAP is making a mountain out of nothing. How long can they milk this to score points?
Ordinary Roy and HHH should start putting out flyers to state the facts in Chinese, Malay and English. They should also visit kopitiams to chit chat and tell their story. Make it simple to comprehend. People, in general, cannot take in too much.
3-point message ....don't believe the PAP version (just show one or two examples of falsehood), show how inconsistent the PAP is on their treatment of the special needs children and state the fact that the time of YMCA event was changed to coincide with the protest and how the MC of that event was engaged in politicking.
Re: Is he sick??? Teo ser luck apologised on facebook
What for? Hawker centres are for food and relaxing not looking at some gay guy and Malaysian girl's theory of change.
What for? Hawker centres are for food and relaxing not looking at some gay guy and Malaysian girl's theory of change.
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Re: The ASP did not produce his warrant card to HHH, but a pass without police powers
but so far i dun see you refuted mine. until you do, you failed miserably.
you are entitled to your opinion.
but so far i dun see you refuted mine. until you do, you failed miserably.
Re: The ASP did not produce his warrant card to HHH, but a pass without police powers
yes, we failed miserably to see each other's point.
Re: Parents refuse to meet Ngerng
Aiyah! Let's move on!
Aiyah! Let's move on!
Chee Soon Juan spoke on YMCA saga
Kudos to CSJ for making his stand on the issue and his position that both of them had committed an error. At least he is better than all the rest of the opposition who just kept quiet.
However, Roy apologised but Han Hui Hui did not. In fact, she is still going around defending herself and attacking others. That girl is a spoil brat and will bring everyone who is with her down.
Roy should dump her if he wants to be taken seriously.
Kudos to CSJ for making his stand on the issue and his position that both of them had committed an error. At least he is better than all the rest of the opposition who just kept quiet.
However, Roy apologised but Han Hui Hui did not. In fact, she is still going around defending herself and attacking others. That girl is a spoil brat and will bring everyone who is with her down.
Roy should dump her if he wants to be taken seriously.
Re: Jaclyn Teo calls special needs children retards
lianbeng replies: nehneh tua liap leh!
lianbeng replies: nehneh tua liap leh!
Re: The ASP did not produce his warrant card to HHH, but a pass without police powers
http://yoursdp.org/news/criticise_if_we_must_but_let_us_also_encourage/2014-09-30-5882
Much acrimony has emanated from the Return Our CPF protest at Hong Lim Park last Saturday. As complex and difficult as things are, let us focus on what we can all learn from the episode.
First, Mr Roy Ngerng and Ms Han Hui Hui should offer an apology to the children and parents who were present at the event and were affected by the protest.
Roy has asked to meet with the children and parents to apologise to them. This is the right thing to do.
I met Roy several weeks ago. He is a thoughtful individual and no one should believe that he intentionally targeted his or the group's actions at the children who were performing that afternoon.
It is important, nevertheless, that both he and Hui Hui offer an apology to the children.
But in the midst of the furore, let us also recognise that democracy – and its development – are a messy process, and that those who seek to advocate and build it will always fumble and get it wrong. We would not be human if we didn't.
The danger is that those who are angered by the episode but who, otherwise, would support the Return Our CPF campaign, unwittingly reinforce a culture intolerant of mistakes.
Throwing labels like “immature”, “inexcusable”, “attention seekers” at the protesters is unhelpful. For even the most experienced activists spend a lifetime making errors and learning from them. Gandhi, himself not immune to mistakes, acknowledged: “Freedom is not worth having if it does not include the freedom to make mistakes.”
Hasn't this nation been fed on a diet that there are no second chances? Whether it is in politics, business, education, etc we must appreciate failure as much as we value success for, need we be reminded that, it is the former that will enable us to achieve the latter.
Roy and Hui Hui (as well as the rest of the opposition and civil society communities) struggle to give voice to the voiceless. Given what they're up against, it is an arduous task to say the least.
In this vein, let us re-affirm our faith in them as well as in ourselves, who, with all our imperfections and weaknesses, continue to learn and grow in our journey to make our Republic a better place.
To those who offer your views, criticise if you must but let us also extend the hand of fellowship and encouragement to those on the frontline in our battle for transparency and accountability.
For this much is clear, the party on the other side will waste no opportunity to denigrate what pro-democracy, pro-justice and pro-equality groups are trying to achieve. A good example is PAP MP Dr Intan who, after a protracted silence over the Yang Yin affair, found time to take potshots at Roy and Hui Hui.
The onslaught has already begun. Some have labeled the protesters as “anarchists” who intentionally heckled the children. Don't let them demonise the protesters for if they succeed, they demonise all of us.
(On a side note, if the PAP MPs are so concerned about the children with special needs, then fund their education. This is a subject for another discussion which the SDP will post tomorrow.)
As I said at the beginning of this article, let us, both activists and commentators, learn from this episode and look forward to tackling the challenges that lie ahead. Remember: failure doesn't come when we make a mistake, it comes when we quit.
Chee Soon Juan
http://yoursdp.org/news/criticise_if_we_must_but_let_us_also_encourage/2014-09-30-5882
Much acrimony has emanated from the Return Our CPF protest at Hong Lim Park last Saturday. As complex and difficult as things are, let us focus on what we can all learn from the episode.
First, Mr Roy Ngerng and Ms Han Hui Hui should offer an apology to the children and parents who were present at the event and were affected by the protest.
Roy has asked to meet with the children and parents to apologise to them. This is the right thing to do.
I met Roy several weeks ago. He is a thoughtful individual and no one should believe that he intentionally targeted his or the group's actions at the children who were performing that afternoon.
It is important, nevertheless, that both he and Hui Hui offer an apology to the children.
But in the midst of the furore, let us also recognise that democracy – and its development – are a messy process, and that those who seek to advocate and build it will always fumble and get it wrong. We would not be human if we didn't.
The danger is that those who are angered by the episode but who, otherwise, would support the Return Our CPF campaign, unwittingly reinforce a culture intolerant of mistakes.
Throwing labels like “immature”, “inexcusable”, “attention seekers” at the protesters is unhelpful. For even the most experienced activists spend a lifetime making errors and learning from them. Gandhi, himself not immune to mistakes, acknowledged: “Freedom is not worth having if it does not include the freedom to make mistakes.”
Hasn't this nation been fed on a diet that there are no second chances? Whether it is in politics, business, education, etc we must appreciate failure as much as we value success for, need we be reminded that, it is the former that will enable us to achieve the latter.
Roy and Hui Hui (as well as the rest of the opposition and civil society communities) struggle to give voice to the voiceless. Given what they're up against, it is an arduous task to say the least.
In this vein, let us re-affirm our faith in them as well as in ourselves, who, with all our imperfections and weaknesses, continue to learn and grow in our journey to make our Republic a better place.
To those who offer your views, criticise if you must but let us also extend the hand of fellowship and encouragement to those on the frontline in our battle for transparency and accountability.
For this much is clear, the party on the other side will waste no opportunity to denigrate what pro-democracy, pro-justice and pro-equality groups are trying to achieve. A good example is PAP MP Dr Intan who, after a protracted silence over the Yang Yin affair, found time to take potshots at Roy and Hui Hui.
The onslaught has already begun. Some have labeled the protesters as “anarchists” who intentionally heckled the children. Don't let them demonise the protesters for if they succeed, they demonise all of us.
(On a side note, if the PAP MPs are so concerned about the children with special needs, then fund their education. This is a subject for another discussion which the SDP will post tomorrow.)
As I said at the beginning of this article, let us, both activists and commentators, learn from this episode and look forward to tackling the challenges that lie ahead. Remember: failure doesn't come when we make a mistake, it comes when we quit.
Chee Soon Juan
Re: Jaclyn Teo calls special needs children retards
Good job guys call these folks retarded whatsoever...
Just pray and hope that your kids or grand kids are not born retarded in future..
Good job guys call these folks retarded whatsoever...
Just pray and hope that your kids or grand kids are not born retarded in future..
Re: Chee Soon Juan spoke on YMCA saga
Wah Lao, just say you support Roy lah Chee, stop talking English that the locals dont get.
Roy is not in love with HHH. Roy is a gay.
Kudos to CSJ for making his stand on the issue and his position that both of them had committed an error. At least he is better than all the rest of the opposition who just kept quiet.
However, Roy apologised but Han Hui Hui did not. In fact, she is still going around defending herself and attacking others. That girl is a spoil brat and will bring everyone who is with her down.
Roy should dump her if he wants to be taken seriously.
Wah Lao, just say you support Roy lah Chee, stop talking English that the locals dont get.
Roy is not in love with HHH. Roy is a gay.
Re: Chee Soon Juan spoke on YMCA saga
Nevertheless good to see young Sinkies in their 30s to take on a 60 years old fart dragon and his old rotten 50 years old party.
Jesus was 33 when he tried that, a messianic revolutionary leader. Roy=33 Jesus=33.
Nevertheless good to see young Sinkies in their 30s to take on a 60 years old fart dragon and his old rotten 50 years old party.
Jesus was 33 when he tried that, a messianic revolutionary leader. Roy=33 Jesus=33.
Kudos to CSJ for making his stand on the issue and his position that both of them had committed an error. At least he is better than all the rest of the opposition who just kept quiet.
However, Roy apologised but Han Hui Hui did not. In fact, she is still going around defending herself and attacking others. That girl is a spoil brat and will bring everyone who is with her down.
Roy should dump her if he wants to be taken seriously.
Re: Jaclyn Teo calls special needs children retards
She got saggy tits
She got saggy tits
Re: Chee Soon Juan spoke on YMCA saga
There is no reason for HHH to apologize. She did no wrong. The special needs children event was used by the PAP to disrupt a legitimate protest.
Just be thankful that there are people who are willing to fight for a better sinkapore instead of many who are just arm-chair or kopitiam critics.
Kudos to CSJ for making his stand on the issue and his position that both of them had committed an error. At least he is better than all the rest of the opposition who just kept quiet.
However, Roy apologised but Han Hui Hui did not. In fact, she is still going around defending herself and attacking others. That girl is a spoil brat and will bring everyone who is with her down.
Roy should dump her if he wants to be taken seriously.
There is no reason for HHH to apologize. She did no wrong. The special needs children event was used by the PAP to disrupt a legitimate protest.
Just be thankful that there are people who are willing to fight for a better sinkapore instead of many who are just arm-chair or kopitiam critics.
Re: Chee Soon Juan spoke on YMCA saga
wp yee still talk about 'give them benefit of the doubt' when clearly he made a big boo boo by jumping the gun.
lianbeng agrees with Chee SJ!
wp yee still talk about 'give them benefit of the doubt' when clearly he made a big boo boo by jumping the gun.
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