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Regulators Refusing to Act - Hyflux & Noble Group's Decline

The article said investors should vote with their heads, not heart.

But Ernst confirm think with their brains. (not just heads)

In Noble's chatgroups, Ernst planted people to mislead the investors using fake accounts.

Attention: I wish to clarify that I am not "Soul" in telegram discussion. Thank you @Maybe for the tip-off. Telegram discussion is in a mess. I swear that I am not "Soul" in the discussion

Apparently, @Maybe was right that EY really so despicable to plant people using fake accounts to mess up discussions.
 
LOL

I predict Salim will pull out , the greedy sinkies won't even get 3% refund !
 
LOL, uncle @JustLikeThis you are just dreaming. The article said investors should vote with their heads, not heart. But Ernst confirm think with their brains. (not just heads).

Anyone with half a brain should have seen that Hyflux’s line of business is super risky. If Singapore can buy a thousand gallons of fresh water for 3 sens from Johor, who’s going to pay for expensive desalinated water? The only scenario for Hyflux to become profitable is if Mahathir has his way and Singapore agrees to a substantial hike in water price.
 
Attention: I wish to clarify that I am not "Soul" in telegram discussion. Thank you @Maybe for the tip-off. Telegram discussion is in a mess. I swear that I am not "Soul" in the discussion

Apparently, @Maybe was right that EY really so despicable to plant people using fake accounts to mess up discussions.

It is expected.

They have crippled the telegram discussion group. Everyday just quarrel and demoralize those affected, telling them they deserve it when it was policy failures and corrupted management that brought hyflux down.
 
Many affected investors wrote to him, appealed to him for help but in vain. Not even a personal respond and all got forwarded to juniors and with the same template reply. Where is our leaders when we need them to help?

If it is something glam, they will want to act cool and steal the limelight. Reply within hours.

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Salim wants their escrow money back but it makes me wonder if all these are for show. They are trying to create panic to get more YES votes.

Salim is just a vulture. It was reported that they are stuck with PacificLight in Singapore due to massive losses and contemplating to sell it. Why would they want to buy another power plant Tuaspring. Of course, some believed that Maybank is behind all these and wanted Hyflux's clean balance sheet (after writing off retail investors) to help PacificLight (which Maybank has an even larger exposure).

Hyflux's SGX filing reveals deal with white knight is on shaky ground
https://www.straitstimes.com/singap...als-deal-with-white-knight-is-on-shaky-ground
 
Olivia Lum wasn't really the founder of Hydrochem (Hyflux). It was a Nanyang University professor and some students. The professor got cancer and she took over company and kicked out the other founding students. This woman is not that great, she just stole the power in Hyflux and glory. Today, she is doing the same again.

Old Nanyang University alumni in my batch can ascertain the truth that I shared. She is a dishonest woman.

Government incorporated Nanyang University into NUS in early 1980s. NUS had never really had really successful "incubator business" but the Nanyang University professor and his students were having breakthrough with water technology in late 1980s. Olivia was not even the pioneer batch or founding members, she was "pure" NUS. This women was scheming and took the opportunity because the professor had to exit because of his cancer.

NUS was desperate to have some achievement and water technology will get into Lee Kuan Yew's good books. It was something that NUS tried to call their own and used Olivia removed the senior students with Nanyang University background, so made younger Olivia the poster child.
 
Dear All,
If you vote "Yes", all lapses pertaining to Hyflux, PUB, EMA, DBS, Auditors, Valuers etc will most likely be buried and nothing will be fixed or changed. In future, the next innocent victim could be any of your loved ones and it may very well include those who said we should be just silent losers as all investments carry risk and also those that said Govt should not use tax-payers money to "bail-out" Hyflux with or without knowing what have gone wrong and need to be put right.

It is sad that after we have hand-delivered and emailed our petition to our Govt leader(s) on 1 March 2019, none of them or their representatives till now has come out to reply, persuade, solve or explain. If they have done so, there would not be a need for us to go Hong Lim Park this Saturday.

To add to what we all may know so far, and based on what I know from the media and the Ministry of Finance website on "Public Private Partnership Handbook" (PPPH) containing guidelines which all Govt Procuring Entities (GPE) such as PUB should comply with, it would appear that in the case of the Public Private Partnership between PUB & Hyflux, PUB does not seem to be complying with the following "PPPH" guidelines:

1. Paras 2.3.1 and 2.3.3 of PPPH : PPP projects must be structured to benefit both the public sector and the private sector.....for the private sector, there should be sufficient revenue, either from Govt or directly from the users, to recover the initial investment and the costs incurred by the private sector.

2. Para 2.3.10 of PPPH: Appropriate risk mitigation measures should be put in place to ensure the private financiers of the viability and bankability of the PPP deal.

3. Para 4.3.2 of PPPH: The commercial arrangement under the PPP contract must be acceptable to both parties - offering value for money for the GPE and adequate profit for the PPP provider.

4. Para 2.3.12 of PPPH: .. Govt is also committed to a payment stream over the long contract period. If no variation provisions are included in the PPP contract, the PPP contract will be too inflexible to handle unforseen circumstances...

5. Para 2.3.13 of PPPH: ...it is important to build a flexible PPP contract to allow for variations in specifications and requirements, with appropriate changes in payment to the private sector. The variation provisions should be fair to both the public and private sector. In addition, termination clauses should also be included to allow both parties to terminate the contract under exceptional circumstances, with fair compensation (to either party), where necessary.

6. Para 2.3.4 a) of PPPH: ...PPP should only be applied to projects where the private sector has the competencies......

7. Para 1.3.7 of PPPH: Govt will also ensure that public interest is protected in all PPP projects and that service deliveries will meet public needs....In particular, the public sector will ensure that (d) Confidentiality of information will be observed. We will protect the personal data and information of the public agency's customers.

8. Para 1.3.2c or PPPH: In a PPP project, Govt and private sector share the risks of delivering a service. Typical risks that are allocated to the private sector include design, construction and financing risks......the public sector may take on political and regulatory risks...

9. Para 3.1.10 of PPPH: ... GPEs should work with their advisor to ensure that the PPP contract is a viable one before they issue the PPP tender.
My comments: It is questionable why PUB who has no jurisdiction over energy matters would allow a costly power plant to be included in the PPP contract with Hyflux. Energy matters should be under EMA. Could this also be the reason why PUB wants to take-over the Tuaspring water plant and not the power plant ? In so doing, it is unclear whether PUB will continue to pay Hyflux the cost of building the power plant as per the PPP contract and which they want to terminate.

If items 1 to 3 and 8 above are complied with by PUB, Tuaspring should never run into losses. Items 4 to 5 should take care of unforseen circumstan ces such as the prolonged weak power market. Item 5 also provides for fair compensation in the event of termination. This means it is ruthless for PUB to take-over the water plant at zero cost.

If items 6 and 9 above are complied with by PUB, Hyflux which has no competencies, experience and track record for building and running a power plant should in the first place never be awarded the Tuaspring project as we now know that the financial viability and sustainability of the water plant depends largely on the power plant.

As regards item 7, the PPP project does not protect public interest at all. The confidentiality obligations of the Tuaspring PPP contract does not allow retail investors access to material information such as cashflow forecasts, breakdown of guaranteed and non-guaranteed payments pertaining to the water and power plants etc. This non-disclosure of material information means that retail investors have no means to assess the investment risk. As this is not in line with acceptable market and commercial norms, any related bonds and securities should never be allowed to be issued to retail investors. It is also this confidentiality obligation and the fact that all bidders for Tuaspring divestment by Hyflux have to be first approved and pre-qualified by PUB that caused the valuation of the plants to be depressed and Hyflux not being able to divest the Tuaspring at an acceptable price.

For those that say additional tax-payer monies will be incurred in a Govt "bail-out" of Hyflux, please read Para 3.1.9 of PPPH: " ... GPEs should seek the needed funding commitments and management approval for the PPP project, before inviting private sector participation in PPP tenders." In other words, PUB should have gotten the funding for the Tuaspring project before calling of tenders.

As regards the existing Scheme of Arrangement which Perps retail investors would be given 3% cash upfront, please note that SMI has disagreed with Hyflux on the allocation of $271M out of the $400M from SMI to be used for payments to creditors. This has introduced another uncertainty in our 3% if we vote "Yes". If you look at the existing Restructuring Agreement, there is no mention at all as to the agreed allocation of $400M from SMI to creditors and working capital. Therefore, it will be a case of your word against my word. I recalled asking PWC in one of the night sessions for Perps investors, why the $271M was not increased since there is no mention of any allocation of the $400M in the Restructuring Agreement. The answer was that the allocation has already been agreed with SMI. It would appear now SMI wants more to be allocated to working capital and less for creditors including us. As it stands now, most of us are very unhappy with the 3%. The current dispute between SMI and Hyflux makes it worse.

Regards,

TS Lim
 
Thank you Mr TS Lim for your email.

See you on Saturday 3-4pm at Hong Lim Park!
 
This video did not age well. :roflmao:



0:23 "People recognize Singapore company... as company with credibility."

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0:23 "People recognize Singapore company... as company with credibility."



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hahaha credibility? Even Indonesians now claiming Hyflux smoked them.

https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Co...e-risk-of-bigger-losses-after-new-information
Hyflux earlier this week said it had reached an agreement with SM Investments on the allocation before the release of the restructuring plan last month. However, the Indonesian consortium said in Thursday's statement that the allocation is "not agreed."
 
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Dear All,
If you vote "Yes", all lapses pertaining to Hyflux, PUB, EMA, DBS, Auditors, Valuers etc will most likely be buried and nothing will be fixed or changed. In future, the next innocent victim could be any of your loved ones and it may very well include those who said we should be just silent losers as all investments carry risk and also those that said Govt should not use tax-payers money to "bail-out" Hyflux with or without knowing what have gone wrong and need to be put right.

It is sad that after we have hand-delivered and emailed our petition to our Govt leader(s) on 1 March 2019, none of them or their representatives till now has come out to reply, persuade, solve or explain. If they have done so, there would not be a need for us to go Hong Lim Park this Saturday.

To add to what we all may know so far, and based on what I know from the media and the Ministry of Finance website on "Public Private Partnership Handbook" (PPPH) containing guidelines which all Govt Procuring Entities (GPE) such as PUB should comply with, it would appear that in the case of the Public Private Partnership between PUB & Hyflux, PUB does not seem to be complying with the following "PPPH" guidelines:

1. Paras 2.3.1 and 2.3.3 of PPPH : PPP projects must be structured to benefit both the public sector and the private sector.....for the private sector, there should be sufficient revenue, either from Govt or directly from the users, to recover the initial investment and the costs incurred by the private sector.

2. Para 2.3.10 of PPPH: Appropriate risk mitigation measures should be put in place to ensure the private financiers of the viability and bankability of the PPP deal.

3. Para 4.3.2 of PPPH: The commercial arrangement under the PPP contract must be acceptable to both parties - offering value for money for the GPE and adequate profit for the PPP provider.

4. Para 2.3.12 of PPPH: .. Govt is also committed to a payment stream over the long contract period. If no variation provisions are included in the PPP contract, the PPP contract will be too inflexible to handle unforseen circumstances...

5. Para 2.3.13 of PPPH: ...it is important to build a flexible PPP contract to allow for variations in specifications and requirements, with appropriate changes in payment to the private sector. The variation provisions should be fair to both the public and private sector. In addition, termination clauses should also be included to allow both parties to terminate the contract under exceptional circumstances, with fair compensation (to either party), where necessary.

6. Para 2.3.4 a) of PPPH: ...PPP should only be applied to projects where the private sector has the competencies......

7. Para 1.3.7 of PPPH: Govt will also ensure that public interest is protected in all PPP projects and that service deliveries will meet public needs....In particular, the public sector will ensure that (d) Confidentiality of information will be observed. We will protect the personal data and information of the public agency's customers.

8. Para 1.3.2c or PPPH: In a PPP project, Govt and private sector share the risks of delivering a service. Typical risks that are allocated to the private sector include design, construction and financing risks......the public sector may take on political and regulatory risks...

9. Para 3.1.10 of PPPH: ... GPEs should work with their advisor to ensure that the PPP contract is a viable one before they issue the PPP tender.
My comments: It is questionable why PUB who has no jurisdiction over energy matters would allow a costly power plant to be included in the PPP contract with Hyflux. Energy matters should be under EMA. Could this also be the reason why PUB wants to take-over the Tuaspring water plant and not the power plant ? In so doing, it is unclear whether PUB will continue to pay Hyflux the cost of building the power plant as per the PPP contract and which they want to terminate.

If items 1 to 3 and 8 above are complied with by PUB, Tuaspring should never run into losses. Items 4 to 5 should take care of unforseen circumstan ces such as the prolonged weak power market. Item 5 also provides for fair compensation in the event of termination. This means it is ruthless for PUB to take-over the water plant at zero cost.

If items 6 and 9 above are complied with by PUB, Hyflux which has no competencies, experience and track record for building and running a power plant should in the first place never be awarded the Tuaspring project as we now know that the financial viability and sustainability of the water plant depends largely on the power plant.

As regards item 7, the PPP project does not protect public interest at all. The confidentiality obligations of the Tuaspring PPP contract does not allow retail investors access to material information such as cashflow forecasts, breakdown of guaranteed and non-guaranteed payments pertaining to the water and power plants etc. This non-disclosure of material information means that retail investors have no means to assess the investment risk. As this is not in line with acceptable market and commercial norms, any related bonds and securities should never be allowed to be issued to retail investors. It is also this confidentiality obligation and the fact that all bidders for Tuaspring divestment by Hyflux have to be first approved and pre-qualified by PUB that caused the valuation of the plants to be depressed and Hyflux not being able to divest the Tuaspring at an acceptable price.

For those that say additional tax-payer monies will be incurred in a Govt "bail-out" of Hyflux, please read Para 3.1.9 of PPPH: " ... GPEs should seek the needed funding commitments and management approval for the PPP project, before inviting private sector participation in PPP tenders." In other words, PUB should have gotten the funding for the Tuaspring project before calling of tenders.

As regards the existing Scheme of Arrangement which Perps retail investors would be given 3% cash upfront, please note that SMI has disagreed with Hyflux on the allocation of $271M out of the $400M from SMI to be used for payments to creditors. This has introduced another uncertainty in our 3% if we vote "Yes". If you look at the existing Restructuring Agreement, there is no mention at all as to the agreed allocation of $400M from SMI to creditors and working capital. Therefore, it will be a case of your word against my word. I recalled asking PWC in one of the night sessions for Perps investors, why the $271M was not increased since there is no mention of any allocation of the $400M in the Restructuring Agreement. The answer was that the allocation has already been agreed with SMI. It would appear now SMI wants more to be allocated to working capital and less for creditors including us. As it stands now, most of us are very unhappy with the 3%. The current dispute between SMI and Hyflux makes it worse.

Regards,

TS Lim

 
Will voting still take place on 5th April? Here's my 2 cents.

If Indonesians still want Hyflux, the fake quarrel with Olivia will encourage more Yes-votes supporters to attend.

If Indonesians don't want Hyflux anymore, they need to argue with Hyflux to get the $38.9m back if voting is cancelled. Therefore, an easier way to recover these money is to pursue the voting and make sure that the vote for restructuring collapses.

logical?
 
Will voting still take place on 5th April? Here's my 2 cents.

If Indonesians still want Hyflux, the fake quarrel with Olivia will encourage more Yes-votes supporters to attend.

If Indonesians don't want Hyflux anymore, they need to argue with Hyflux to get the $38.9m back if voting is cancelled. Therefore, an easier way to recover these money is to pursue the voting and make sure that the vote for restructuring collapses.

logical?

Stop dreaming. Salim said they want to amend some terms of the compensation package because working capital is not enough based on the new developments. Many people have already proxy others, and submitted to Boardroom by now. Any minor change will void these proxies because the terms and conditions of the restructuring are different.

You see the hint from PUB now. The default notice period has been extended to April 30, instead of April 5. If you believe that PUB collaborates with Olivia, April 5th voting is going to be postponed to allow Salim to slightly amend some terms.
https://www.businesstimes.com.sg/companies-markets/pub-accedes-to-tuaspring’s-request-to-extend-default-notice-period

Hahaha, by then, all the nominee banks will be swearing at Hyflux. They need to resend the notification to those vested with CPF and SRS. Those who are lazy to attend the voting have to resubmit the proxy forms. song bo?
 
Yes, regulators digging their own graves. SGX is unregulated like a cowboy town.

The collapse of O&M counters, noble, hyflux wiped off multi-billions worth of savings. The proposed debt written-off for Hyflux is equivalent to the current market cap of Starhub. Let's put things in perspective, it is almost 3 times of Sgx's trading volume for today.

and can we find a local reporter who can feature the following headline,
"Hyflux Unsecured Bankers can get up to 80% back while Retail Investors stuck with a 3-10% recovery"


Singapore is really like a cowboy town these days, can go around buying assets at NEGATIVE value, buying your asset and you still need to compensate me :rolleyes:


In PUB's response on Friday, Mr Ng said that based on the current valuation of the desalination plant, the purchase price is negative - meaning Tuaspring (TPL) would have to pay PUB a compensation sum.

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/new...ice-tuaspring-financial-position-pub-11393440
 
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