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<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR>Govt will try to keep transport costs down

=> That is, continue to hike bus/MRT fares under "it could be worse" guise?

</TR><!-- headline one : end --><TR>But low oil prices won't translate into fare drop, says Transport Minister

=> Fxxx U, Raymond Limp!

</TR><!-- Author --><TR><TD class="padlrt8 georgia11 darkgrey bold" colSpan=2>By Li Xueying, Political Correspondent
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<!-- START OF : div id="storytext"--><!-- more than 4 paragraphs -->WITH 2009 shaping up to be a 'difficult year', the Government will try to moderate public transport costs next year, said Transport Minister Raymond Lim yesterday.
The Public Transport Council (PTC) will continue to take economic conditions into account in its annual assessment of bus and train fares, due in the second half of next year, he added.
<TABLE width=200 align=left valign="top"><TBODY><TR><TD class=padr8><!-- Vodcast --><!-- Background Story --><STYLE type=text/css> #related .quote {background-color:#E7F7FF; padding:8px;margin:0px 0px 5px 0px;} #related .quote .headline {font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size:10px;font-weight:bold; border-bottom:3px double #007BFF; color:#036; text-transform:uppercase; padding-bottom:5px;} #related .quote .text {font-size:11px;color:#036;padding:5px 0px;} </STYLE>When Raymond Lim cut pay instead of retrenching staff
THE year was 1998, and the region was in the grip of the Asian financial crisis.

Mr Raymond Lim was then leading an investment team in ABN Amro Asia Securities, as its chief economist for Asia. To cut costs, his boss in Hong Kong asked him to fire workers in Singapore.


</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>But he tempered expectations that falling oil prices will translate into a similar drop in fares, saying that there is no direct correlation between the two.
If there were, public transport fares would have shot up 40 per cent between last year and earlier this year on the back of a spike in oil prices over the period, but did not, he said.
Mr Lim was speaking at a dialogue with about 300 MacPherson residents. He was accompanied by Member of Parliament for MacPherson Matthias Yao.
In the morning, he toured the constituency, distributing food rations, chatting with residents and participating in a ceremony to lock in a time capsule containing items such as community photos.
This was followed by the hour-long dialogue where the minister answered six questions. It was clear that concerns about the cost of living amid a recession were on the top of most minds.
Mr Gillian Teo, 54, a business development manager, expressed hope that there would not be any public transport fare increases next year, as retrenchments mount. Mr Lim responded: 'I can understand his concern. It's going to be a difficult year next year, so we'll try our best if possible to moderate the costs.
The PTC, which regulates public transport fares, will have to 'sit down' and weigh various factors including the impact on commuters, on transport operators and the economic conditions. The last round of fare adjustments was in September, when it approved an overall net hike of 0.7 per cent in bus and train fares.
But the minister also dispelled the hope expressed in a question that he said many have put to him: With oil prices now plummeting, why not fares too? Oil prices have fallen to about US$33 a barrel from a record high of US$147.27 in July.
'That's a fair question,' he said. 'The answer is that public transport fares are not directly linked to oil prices.'
Instead, they are tied to what Mr Lim called national factors: the level of inflation and average wage increases.
He pointed out that 'from 2007 to this year... oil prices went up 40 per cent, but fares went up just 0.7 per cent'.
Another resident asked if commuters should be reimbursed for the higher transport fares that they paid when oil prices were high, and if the transport companies were making 'a lot of profits'.
Mr Lim urged his audience to look at the 'big picture'. He said: 'We don't want the companies to be making excessive profits, but that's different from saying that they cannot make profits at all.'
For instance, over the next three years, it will cost between $500 million and $600 million to bring in new buses. 'Therefore the companies need to build up their reserves to purchase these...and maintain standards.'
The minister also explained that while the economy may be slowing down, the prices of products and services will not necessarily fall in tandem.
One resident asked if the cost of living would return to the levels seen prior to the spiralling oil prices this year.
Mr Lim noted that the overall price level - as measured by the consumer price index - may fall, as oil prices drop. 'But does it mean that all prices will fall? No, because different products and services will have different supply and demand.'
As an example, he cited egg prices, which went up after eggs from China were found to contain melamine and buyers turned to Malaysia. But news reports said there is also a shortage in Malaysia because the high price of corn early this year led to farmers rearing fewer chicks.
Mr Lim also explained that subsidising fares or giving free bus rides will only mean taxpayers picking up the tab.
It costs $1.2 billion a year to run the buses and trains. This is equivalent to a 1.5 percentage point increase in the goods and services tax.
'So, now it is 7 per cent. Do you want the GST to go up to 8.5 per cent to run a completely free bus and train system?'
The minister's assurance that the Government would try to contain transport costs gave some comfort to Mr Teo, a grassroots leader.
'I know it's very hard for them to reduce fares, so I just hope that they will not increase them again. The fares now are already so high. If they go up, the poor will be very badly affected.'

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http://sgtransport.blogspot.com/2007...and-train.html

1.8% cap on any bus, train fare hike this year
Christopher Tan, Senior Correspondent

ANY decision this year on raising bus and train fares will be known only in August at the earliest, instead of the usual May announcement in previous years.
And if the Public Transport Council (PTC) approves an increase, fares will go up by 1.8 per cent at the most, a spokesman for the council told The Straits Times.
For most commuters, this could mean an increase similar to last year's one- to three-cent hike, when the cap on fare increase was set at 1.7 per cent.
The new deadline and the cap on how high fares can go are the result of a change in the formula adopted by the PTC last year to work out bus and train fare increases.
Traditionally, SBS Transit and SMRT submit their applications by May 1, and revisions take effect in July.
But last year, because the PTC was busy adapting to new regulatory powers, the fare adjustment exercise was delayed by three months.
It has decided to stick with the new deadline.
'Operators will have till August to apply. Henceforth, all adjustments will be from October,' the PTC spokesman added.
As for the 1.8 per cent cap this year, it is based on a formula that takes into account current economic conditions, average wage increases as well as productivity gains of the public transport companies. It also allows fares to be lowered when the economy is in deep recession.
Both operators declined to say if they will ask for a fare increase, but it remains to be seen whether the planned two-percentage-point rise in goods and services tax (GST) in July will influence the decision.
A two-point rise in GST to 7 per cent translates to about $22 million in additional cost to the two operators.
Singapore introduced GST in 1994, starting with a 3 per cent levy. It was raised to 4 per cent in 2003, and 5 per cent in 2004.
Although GST was never passed on directly to public transport commuters, it is computed indirectly in the fare adjustment formula, which takes inflation - represented by the Consumer Price Index - into consideration.
SMRT spokesman Goh Chee Kong said: 'The fare adjustment formula takes care of wage increases, Consumer Price Index and productivity. So any increase in GST will be accounted for in the Consumer Price Index.''
In the past two years, the operators cited higher oil prices as the main justification for a fare rise.
A senior transport analyst said GST had never been fully passed on to commuters, but added that 'the formula will prevail because we are not in a deflationary economy'.
Source: The Straits Times, 23 March 2007
 

makapaaa

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<TABLE cellSpacing=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=heading>Latest comments</TD></TR><TR><TD id=messageDisplayRegion width="100%"><TABLE style="WIDTH: 100%" cellSpacing=2 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left><TABLE style="WIDTH: 100%" cellSpacing=2 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left><TABLE class=Post style="WIDTH: 100%" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left>Most MIWs should learn a bit of style from Khaw.

Also, watch and learn the styles of the Malaysian politicians They have style.

They sharpen their skills very well over there as they have to in order to survive in the rough and tumble of politics in Malaysia.
</TD></TR><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left>Posted by: NELNELNEL at Mon Dec 22 12:26:56 SGT 2008
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left><TABLE style="WIDTH: 100%" cellSpacing=2 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left><TABLE class=AlternatePost style="WIDTH: 100%" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left>I saw news and was shocked at the manner he answered the Q&A. I think Raymond was very rude and untactful, he sounded like all Singaporeans are dumb fools with his 'DO YOU KNOW' statements. I think he owes all an apology.
</TD></TR><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left>Posted by: padraig48 at Mon Dec 22 12:20:05 SGT 2008
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left><TABLE style="WIDTH: 100%" cellSpacing=2 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left><TABLE class=Post style="WIDTH: 100%" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left>To be honest here, I am sad to read government made all justification for these transport companies.

Do these transport companies suffer and going to bankrupt if fares go down????? The funny things here is that commuters must suffer inflation, prices increase, lost of jobs ... but not these transport companies ....
</TD></TR><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left>Posted by: choonsong at Mon Dec 22 12:08:22 SGT 2008
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left><TABLE style="WIDTH: 100%" cellSpacing=2 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left><TABLE class=AlternatePost style="WIDTH: 100%" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left>I am simply disgusted by the answers given by the minister and by the way the minister replied to the questions... "DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH IT TAKES TO RUN THE PUBLIC TRANSPORT???!!". DO YOU WANT THE GOVERNMENT TO RAISE THE GST IN ORDER TO SUBSIDIZE PUBLIC TRANSPORT???!! Instead of giving specific steps of how the government is going to help the people in this challenging time, the minister choose to threaten the people. Sigh.
</TD></TR><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left>Posted by: FreightLinks1 at Mon Dec 22 11:11:56 SGT 2008
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left><TABLE style="WIDTH: 100%" cellSpacing=2 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left><TABLE class=Post style="WIDTH: 100%" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left>You guys should have heard how Raymond Lim answered those questions; his tone was arrogant, and he sounded very rude when he said:"so, now it is 7 per cent. Do you want the GST to go up to 8.5 per cent to run a completely free bus and train system?" His tone made him sounded very threatening when he said that particular sentence.

To me, I think he's not a very tactful or intelligent person ... He's forgetting that majority of Singaporeans are NOT earning his salary. Bearing in mind that he used to be with ABN Amro not too long ago, he's clearly showing the traits of focusing on generating sufficient returns for the transporting firms. From ERP to transportation fees hike, it seems that Raymond is only capable of increasing price for every problem that his ministry is facing: more cars on road? Increase ERP gantries and rates, more people using public transport, thereby resulting more transporting units required? Increase transportation fees, so that SBS & SMRT can have more $$$ to buy/invest in new products WITHOUT sacrificing shareholders' desired rate of returns ... Previous increase in oil prices? Increase transportation fees again, so that (again) SBS & SMRT do NOT sacrifice shareholders' desired rate of returns ...

And he's being paid in excess of S$1 million to come up these "solutions"?
</TD></TR><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left>Posted by: kunshou at Mon Dec 22 11:05:09 SGT 2008
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shOUTloud

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I heard the same comments over the radio as well. I was scolding chao chee bye out loud when I heard his answers to suggestions of free public transport.

no doubt it was a stupid question but politicians are not supposed to treat voters like idiots. just explain that money have to come from somewhere. why must say do you want GST to rise to pay for public transport? kns I will cut his pay to pay for public transport.

knn, earn 1 million bucks a year cannot answer stupid questions calmly meh.
 

theblackhole

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this is world class decision. gst is the best way to raise money for the poor. you want to cut costs for everything and if you want to help the poor, the needy and the sick, raise the GST! this is the best and most convenient way - the fairest way to help cut cost.

so you want cheaper fares, raise the gst!

remember, the cost is not related to the price of fuel !!!

i remember last two months, the price of everything including transport was related to the price of fuel??? why today the price is not related to the price of fuel??? am i missing something here?

oh dear....my head is really spinning round and round by this world class governance.

american and britain - two powderful nations - are on the verge of an economic collapse.singapore should be lucky not to collapse???
 

Perspective

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Higher oil prices were the reason for price hikes a few months ago, according to the government. He thinks people have forgotten what they said.

Now, lower oil prices will not cause price falls.

We still remember how the PAP would argue that recession comes from the US but economic boom comes from the PAP.

Good try, minister.
 

Ah Guan

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'So, now it is 7 per cent. Do you want the GST to go up to 8.5 per cent to run a completely free bus and train system?'

Who is asking for a FREE public transport system??

As usual, PAP paints the worst case scenario to scare peasants
 

oli9

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Who is asking for a FREE public transport system??

As usual, PAP paints the worst case scenario to scare peasants


TIOK!!! Where did Cancerous Ears Lim heard this statement from? Who wants FREE public transport? We only want public fare reduction in line with the drastic fall of fuel charges.
I hope the stupidos 66.6% see thru their veiled satanic attires now.
 

congo9

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<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR>Govt will try to keep transport costs down

=> That is, continue to hike bus/MRT fares under "it could be worse" guise?

</TR><!-- headline one : end --><TR>But low oil prices won't translate into fare drop, says Transport Minister

=> Fxxx U, Raymond Limp!

</TR><!-- Author --><TR><TD class="padlrt8 georgia11 darkgrey bold" colSpan=2>By Li Xueying, Political Correspondent
</TD></TR><!-- show image if available --><TR vAlign=bottom><TD width=330>
front-xyraymond22.jpg

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-- ST PHOTO: ASHLEIGH SIM
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<!-- START OF : div id="storytext"--><!-- more than 4 paragraphs -->WITH 2009 shaping up to be a 'difficult year', the Government will try to moderate public transport costs next year, said Transport Minister Raymond Lim yesterday.
The Public Transport Council (PTC) will continue to take economic conditions into account in its annual assessment of bus and train fares, due in the second half of next year, he added.
<TABLE width=200 align=left valign="top"><TBODY><TR><TD class=padr8><!-- Vodcast --><!-- Background Story --><STYLE type=text/css> #related .quote {background-color:#E7F7FF; padding:8px;margin:0px 0px 5px 0px;} #related .quote .headline {font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size:10px;font-weight:bold; border-bottom:3px double #007BFF; color:#036; text-transform:uppercase; padding-bottom:5px;} #related .quote .text {font-size:11px;color:#036;padding:5px 0px;} </STYLE>When Raymond Lim cut pay instead of retrenching staff
THE year was 1998, and the region was in the grip of the Asian financial crisis.

Mr Raymond Lim was then leading an investment team in ABN Amro Asia Securities, as its chief economist for Asia. To cut costs, his boss in Hong Kong asked him to fire workers in Singapore.


</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>But he tempered expectations that falling oil prices will translate into a similar drop in fares, saying that there is no direct correlation between the two.
If there were, public transport fares would have shot up 40 per cent between last year and earlier this year on the back of a spike in oil prices over the period, but did not, he said.
Mr Lim was speaking at a dialogue with about 300 MacPherson residents. He was accompanied by Member of Parliament for MacPherson Matthias Yao.
In the morning, he toured the constituency, distributing food rations, chatting with residents and participating in a ceremony to lock in a time capsule containing items such as community photos.
This was followed by the hour-long dialogue where the minister answered six questions. It was clear that concerns about the cost of living amid a recession were on the top of most minds.
Mr Gillian Teo, 54, a business development manager, expressed hope that there would not be any public transport fare increases next year, as retrenchments mount. Mr Lim responded: 'I can understand his concern. It's going to be a difficult year next year, so we'll try our best if possible to moderate the costs.
The PTC, which regulates public transport fares, will have to 'sit down' and weigh various factors including the impact on commuters, on transport operators and the economic conditions. The last round of fare adjustments was in September, when it approved an overall net hike of 0.7 per cent in bus and train fares.
But the minister also dispelled the hope expressed in a question that he said many have put to him: With oil prices now plummeting, why not fares too? Oil prices have fallen to about US$33 a barrel from a record high of US$147.27 in July.
'That's a fair question,' he said. 'The answer is that public transport fares are not directly linked to oil prices.'
Instead, they are tied to what Mr Lim called national factors: the level of inflation and average wage increases.
He pointed out that 'from 2007 to this year... oil prices went up 40 per cent, but fares went up just 0.7 per cent'.
Another resident asked if commuters should be reimbursed for the higher transport fares that they paid when oil prices were high, and if the transport companies were making 'a lot of profits'.
Mr Lim urged his audience to look at the 'big picture'. He said: 'We don't want the companies to be making excessive profits, but that's different from saying that they cannot make profits at all.'
For instance, over the next three years, it will cost between $500 million and $600 million to bring in new buses. 'Therefore the companies need to build up their reserves to purchase these...and maintain standards.'
The minister also explained that while the economy may be slowing down, the prices of products and services will not necessarily fall in tandem.
One resident asked if the cost of living would return to the levels seen prior to the spiralling oil prices this year.
Mr Lim noted that the overall price level - as measured by the consumer price index - may fall, as oil prices drop. 'But does it mean that all prices will fall? No, because different products and services will have different supply and demand.'
As an example, he cited egg prices, which went up after eggs from China were found to contain melamine and buyers turned to Malaysia. But news reports said there is also a shortage in Malaysia because the high price of corn early this year led to farmers rearing fewer chicks.
Mr Lim also explained that subsidising fares or giving free bus rides will only mean taxpayers picking up the tab.
It costs $1.2 billion a year to run the buses and trains. This is equivalent to a 1.5 percentage point increase in the goods and services tax.
'So, now it is 7 per cent. Do you want the GST to go up to 8.5 per cent to run a completely free bus and train system?'
The minister's assurance that the Government would try to contain transport costs gave some comfort to Mr Teo, a grassroots leader.
'I know it's very hard for them to reduce fares, so I just hope that they will not increase them again. The fares now are already so high. If they go up, the poor will be very badly affected.'

=> 狗!

[email protected]
Since if it is public transport , are we suppose to pay for their new buses and upgrade ? So is MRT is public transport ? Or MRT is a pte entity ?
 

i_am_belle

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fares are up but service still sucks ! :mad:

raymon lim, u better take note, we the bus commuters are still facing this problem even though bus fares were raised since october ...

today i want take 174 go town meet my fren ... wait wait wait, no bus come ... call up SBS customer service then found out, guess what ? bus langar private car, accident ! ... had to wait 1/2 hour before the subsequent bus arrived ... couldnt wait leow, so took cab cost me 3x as much ...
:oIo:
 

makapaaa

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TIOK!!! Where did Cancerous Ears Lim heard this statement from? Who wants FREE public transport? We only want public fare reduction in line with the drastic fall of fuel charges.
I hope the stupidos 66.6% see thru their veiled satanic attires now.

That's what he rehearsed his stage lines for. Unfortunately, nobody fell for the trap and fire him this proposal, but he still dished out the smoke screen anyway ensure the wayang could go on.
 

The_Latest_H

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Raymond Lim couldn't deny the question that SBS and SMRT were making huge profits due to pegged prices to US$130 per oil barrel. That's why he feinted and turned the question around, making it a veiled threat that if people wanted- or so he though- free transport, GST would have to be 8.5%.

In other countries, because state-owned companies or stat boards run a monopoly on public transportation, and on utilities, there have always been price regulation. And most of them don't run on the first priority which is profit. For them service is most important- getting people from one place to another is more important than money.

Its not the same case here. And besides, its not that hard to scrap PTC for a real independent regulatory board that will be tough-but fair minded to these companies. Now PTC is just a rubber stamp for the government.
 
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