• IP addresses are NOT logged in this forum so there's no point asking. Please note that this forum is full of homophobes, racists, lunatics, schizophrenics & absolute nut jobs with a smattering of geniuses, Chinese chauvinists, Moderate Muslims and last but not least a couple of "know-it-alls" constantly sprouting their dubious wisdom. If you believe that content generated by unsavory characters might cause you offense PLEASE LEAVE NOW! Sammyboy Admin and Staff are not responsible for your hurt feelings should you choose to read any of the content here.

    The OTHER forum is HERE so please stop asking.

Proposed stops for KL-S'pore high-speed rail - Nusajaya in Johor

Well, oil is not going back to US$100 anytime soon according to a Saudi prince. Overall I think the oil price drop has been a boon to Malaysian & SG consumers in general, given the heavy reliance on private transport & expected lower utility bills. For locals who work in SG, most people I talk to are extremely happy with the current ex rate.

Not so good though for workers in specific sectors, such as oil & gas........

The bigger problem is falling oil prices which had already spooked the equity market worldwide.
As for the consumers, the drastic drop in oil prices do not translate to corresponding cheaper petrol, utilities bills, taxi fares, air tickets, etc.
PETRONAS, which invested heavily in the PIPC project in JB, had already announced cutback on capital expenditure, so expect delay in completion for the PIPC.
The delay for PIPC will definitely have a great negative impact on the housing / rental market in JB for the next few years.
 
The bigger problem is falling oil prices which had already spooked the equity market worldwide.
As for the consumers, the drastic drop in oil prices do not translate to corresponding cheaper petrol, utilities bills, taxi fares, air tickets, etc.
PETRONAS, which invested heavily in the PIPC project in JB, had already announced cutback on capital expenditure, so expect delay in completion for the PIPC.
The delay for PIPC will definitely have a great negative impact on the housing / rental market in JB for the next few years.

Well, I would gladly take a weak ringgit, & cheaper pump prices over the alternative any day. And I suspect a lot of Singaporeans and Malaysians working in SG would choose the same too.

Falling oil prices is effectively a net wealth transfer from net oil producing countries to net oil consuming countries. And it also effectively acts as a tax cut for the general population, putting more money in the pocket. Certainly, petrol prices in JB and SG are much cheaper than before the oil rout. For eg Ron 97 at RM2.11 compared to RM2.85 previously.

The delay for PIPC will certainly have an effect over time but it is a LT project over 10-20 years. Considering its distance away from City Centre, it is not a crucial driver of the JB property market, compared to HSR and especially RTS. HSR may need some creative funding, but RTS should be quite easy.
 
HSR will be a major challenge due to funding, alignment, political will of MY and SG to see it through.

PIPC, I only read news articles that it was on track and they only announced RAPID would be delayed to 2019. Then again, only insiders and industry people will know the true progress.
 
I read from the papers that end of this month RON 95 might even be dropping to RM 1.50 / litre
 
Im no economist....but judging by today's world government strategy for any economic slow down...is to encourage spend....by print more or borrow more....any consequences in the long term is other governing group's problem...
 
China pushes rail technology to the world
By Jeremy Koh
POSTED: 15 Jan 2015 19:03

China is striving to become the go-to provider for high-speed rail technology around the world.

BEIJING: China was once a massive importer of rail technology, but it has been striving to become the world's go-to provider of high-speed rail, with proposals for lines across the world.

Chinese Premier Li Keqiang has emerged as the country's top salesman for what Beijing dubbed "The New Silk Road". In Bangkok recently, the premier proposed a high-speed line linking China, Thailand and Singapore. He has also pitched for business in Britain, Russia, India and Africa.

China is also reportedly planning to tender again for Mexico's US$4.4 billion high-speed rail project. Mexican regulators abruptly cancelled its win last year amid heated debate over the bidding process. This time around, analysts said Beijing's odds look even better.

"If we only look at the merits of the bidding and the qualifications, rather than be distracted by ideological or political considerations, the Chinese company will stand a very good chance,” said Victor Gao, director of China National Association of International Studies.

China's two largest rail companies, CNR Corp and China CSR, have agreed to merge and experts said leading suppliers Siemens and Bombardier will have to double down to protect their market share.

“China now has already accumulated so much capacity and so much technical know-how to build a railway system in China and such division into two companies no longer serve the commercial purposes,” said Mr Gao. “This kind of vicious cycle of competition between the two is actually not healthy, not only in the Chinese market, but also globally when they look for other assignments in other parts of the world."

China has had more success bidding for projects in developing economies in South America and Africa, where easy financing packages are part of the lure. But China had also won a multimillion-dollar contract to supply cars to Boston's subway system, the first such deal for a Chinese firm.

"In a way, Beijing believes in the high-speed rail in the sense that it does work quite well so far in the Chinese context,” said Gerald Ollivier, senior infrastructure specialist at World Bank. “It's also an opportunity to create linkages with other countries in the way that creates opportunities for integration, cooperation, and it's quite an effective way for China to advance some of the very advanced technology that they have developed and provide them to the rest of the world."

China has also been pressing on with an expansion of its network at home. By the end of this year, its high-speed rail line is expected to reach 18,000 kilometres, nearly double what it had just two years ago.

- CNA/xq

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/business/china-pushes-rail/1592416.html
 
Im no economist....but judging by today's world government strategy for any economic slow down...is to encourage spend....by print more or borrow more....any consequences in the long term is other governing group's problem...

Totally agreed. At the end of the day it's just a smokescreen by Saudi to destabilize Iran. And for US to destabilize Russia over Ukraine. If you all still believe in free market forces you are better off believing unicorns exist or that cslong is an actual owner of an RnF property. #justsaying
 
Key note by Najib per revised budget today : "in addition, projects such as the MRT Line 2, LRT 3, High-Speed Rail Kuala Lumpur-Singapore will be continued."

Good news for Nusajaya !
 
Key note by Najib per revised budget today : "in addition, projects such as the MRT Line 2, LRT 3, High-Speed Rail Kuala Lumpur-Singapore will be continued."

Good news for Nusajaya !

no mention of RTS.. .
 
Good point.
Although for me I hope that the RTS will materialize faster so that the causeway jam will not be so bad during peak hours.
Probably more people will benefit from this in the near term compared to the HSR
 
Good point.
Although for me I hope that the RTS will materialize faster so that the causeway jam will not be so bad during peak hours.
Probably more people will benefit from this in the near term compared to the HSR

Haha bro, once RM20 is implemented (with an expected tit-for-tat by SG on Malaysian cars), the jam will dramatically reduce liao..... no need for RTS to reduce the jam.
 
Haha bro, once RM20 is implemented (with an expected tit-for-tat by SG on Malaysian cars), the jam will dramatically reduce liao..... no need for RTS to reduce the jam.

Actually quite true, last Thursday afternoon the traffic on Causeway towards JB was so low that I can drive non stop from SG to JB and there was no Q at both CIQ!
 
So happy the world has not forgotten about our dear HSR. Talk talk also feels Shiok. Lol

http://www.themalaymailonline.com/m...ns-shinkansen-experience-and-malaysias-future

Say a Singaporean take HSR from Singapore to KL, he still can move around in KL without his car with LRT/MRT. Vice-versa for a KL guy travel from KL to Singapore. But to the rest of other stops like Seremban, Muar etc, using existing local transports will be unbearable unless there is car rental services in future.
 
If economically viable, both sides would have eagerly pressed on. Only rail contractors are now still very keen.
 
Maybe can ask Greenland to sponsor part of the cost since nusajaya station is so near to the forest city. Forest city will be the direct beneficiary if HSR is built. Can offer to name the station as nusajaya forest city. Since got co funding then we can bring the HSR all the way to Tanjong pagar, all underground tracks. Once the travellers come out of the station will be surrounded by our impressive CBD instead of an industrial park in the west. How nice is that? Dream on....
 
Last edited:
Maybe can ask Greenland to sponsor part of the cost since nusajaya station is so near to the forest city. Forest city will be the direct beneficiary if HSR is built. Can offer to name the station as nusajaya forest city. Since got co funding then we can bring the HSR all the way to Tanjong pagar, all underground tracks. Once the travellers come out of the station will be surrounded by our impressive CBD instead of an industrial park in the west. We can revamp the old tanjong pagar train station for use by the HSR, the station will be so class! A mix of modern and history. How nice is that? Dream on....

You mean Country Garden?
 
Oh ya, country garden, confused by all these china developers lol

If I am not wrong, the issue is not financing. There are already many proposals eg soft loans from Japan and China, privatisation from the corporates like YTL, DRB, UEM etc.

It just need natural cycle time taking considerations of political and impacts of economic turmoils that is happening. Naturally Singapore would not want to support Malaysia until it outshine Singapore but at the same time it need to weigh the benefits it will get. Government machineries are all collective decisions. No one is going to be gung ho and sign the dotted line. There will be meetings after meetings and agreements decisions after decisions but the buck will continue to pass around. That is how Government work. And investors are killing themselves waiting for the officially official undisputed agreement.
 
Back
Top