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Proposed stops for KL-S'pore high-speed rail - Nusajaya in Johor
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It might be modified Japanese rail technology.
Did China steal Japan's high-speed train?
by Michael Fitzpatrick APRIL 15, 2013, 9:00 AM EDT
The company that makes Japan’s legendary Shinkansen bullet trains certainly regrets working in China.
FORTUNE — One China defender recently claimed his countryman’s “bandit innovators” could be good for the world. That was small consolation for the Japanese, who say that China pirated their world-famous bullet train technology.
“Don’t worry too much about Chinese companies imitating you, they are creating value for you down the road,” said Li Daokui, a leading Chinese economist at the Institute for New Economic Thinking’s conference. Such “bandit innovators,” he expanded, would eventually grow the market, leading to benefits for everybody.
Kawasaki Heavy Industries (KHI), maker of Japan’s legendary Shinkansen bullet trains, bitterly disagrees. After signing technology transfers with CSR Sifang, the builder of China’s impressive, new high-speed rail, KHI says it deeply regrets its now-dissolved partnership. It planned to sue its previously junior partner for patent infringement, but it backed down recently.
Risk analyst Michal Meidan of Eurasia Group believes KHI is wise to drop the IP suit and stay out of China. “Every firm working in the high-tech space in China should be aware of the risks related to weak IP protection in the country but often has few choices but to go into these agreements if it wants to gain market share there,” she says. “The intense competition prompts companies to make concessions on technology transfers, as the Chinese are very good at playing off the competition.”
What could drive the normally unlitigious Japanese into such a frenzy? Not only did China copy their technology, say the Japanese, after patenting remarkably similar high-speed-rail (HSR) tech, CSR now wants to sell it to the rest of the world — as Chinese made. Both Japanese and European rail firms now find themselves frozen out and competing with their former Chinese collaborators for new contracts, inside and outside China.
With a diminishing domestic market, Japan’s train industry is hoping to pick up orders abroad for its HSR. Before China stepped in, undercutting Japanese offers by about half, Japan looked very attractive to foreign buyers with its record for fast, reliable train systems.
With more than 300 million annual riders, Japan’s Shinkansen — 50 years old next year — trains carry more passengers than those of any other HSR system. It has suffered no fatal accidents. The U.K. was impressed enough to complete a 540 billion yen deal with Hitachi, which also builds Shinkansen, to supply bullet trains by 2016.
The Motherland of train travel is not alone. Everyone is shopping around for high-speed solutions including the U.S., as the $180 billion global rail industry continues to boom.
Outside of Britain, Japan could easily find itself edged out by the Chinese competition. This makes KHI’s Harada Takuma, who worked on the Chinese collaboration, very angry. Under the licensing agreements with KHI, China’s use of the expertise and blueprints to develop high-speed railway cars was to be limited to domestic application, he explains. “We didn’t think it was not risky. But we took on the project because terms and conditions under the tech transfer should have been binding. We had a legal agreement; we felt safe.”
The Chinese authorities, for their part, see no problem. As Beijing busies itself filing for HSR patents abroad, it claims China developed her own HSR based on Japanese and German technologies which it claims were merely “digested.” When it was suggested that China trains were mere knockoffs at a press conference in China recently, the Ministry of Railways spokesman asserted that China’s HSR was far superior to Japan’s Shinkansen, and that the two “cannot be mentioned in the same breath.”
Others, such as a few Chinese engineers, have admitted no real innovation. That they were “just standing on the shoulders of giants” as one rail technician put it. Wherever the truth lies exactly, KHI’s train technology transfer saga is unlikely to be over soon.
http://fortune.com/2013/04/15/did-china-steal-japans-high-speed-train/
Japan gotten rich by copying/improving technologies from others not so long ago.
The Chinese really want this project badly. Maybe it is because the Taiwan HSR was built by Japanese. China want to show it can do as well.
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China is confident that it can build the Kuala Lumpur-Singapore High-Speed Rail (HSR) line by 2020.
China embassy's economic and commercial counsellor Wu Zhengping expressed confidence that the original target date could be met - within certain parameters.
"Technically, it's possible if Chinese companies are awarded the contract. We will be able to achieve that by 2020. We've still got five years," he told The Star in an interview.
He was commenting on reports that the HSR line would not meet its original target date.
Wu pointed out that it took a mere three years to build the 1,318km Beijing-Shanghai HSR line, which was completed in 2010. It opened to the public in June 2011.
The 350km Kuala Lumpur-Singapore line is expected to cost about RM40bil (S$14.8 billion) while there are matters between Malaysia and Singapore which are expected to be ironed out by year end.
Wu said China was determined to build the line, adding that it would fall in with its plans to link Kunming to Singapore via some 2,700km of rail.
Calling it the "Pan-Asian Railway", he indicated that this would cut through Laos, Thailand and Malaysia.
He added that not all of this railway might be high-speed lines, especially in Laos, which has rough, mountainous terrain.
Wu said the HSR traffic might not be enough to justify building such a line but spoke of an economic "spillover effect" if it were to happen.
Chinese companies here, he added, might even start to develop areas near the Singapore-Kuala Lumpur line.
"If China is awarded the contract (in Malaysia), we'll encourage Chinese companies to locate their factories and firms along the railway line," he said.
He also said there were plans to build high-speed train cars in Malaysia should China be given the contract.
Asked what would China do if Chinese companies were unable to win the HSR bid, Wu said Malaysia had given assurance that this would be "open, fair and transparent".
Transport Minister Datuk Seri Liow Tiong Lai, who is in Beijing on an official visit, said while he welcomed the offer from China, the open tender would only be called after details of the project had been thrashed out between Malaysia and Singapore.
He said a memorandum bet*ween the two countries would be signed by end of this year, adding that it would then take another year to complete the technical study.
"By then, only we would know what is the actual period (needed to build the line).
"It is too early to say that the project can be completed by 2020 when we do not have the details yet," he said.
http://transport.asiaone.com/news/ge...020-says-china
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China is confident that it can build the Kuala Lumpur-Singapore High-Speed Rail (HSR) line by 2020.
China embassy's economic and commercial counsellor Wu Zhengping expressed confidence that the original target date could be met - within certain parameters.
"Technically, it's possible if Chinese companies are awarded the contract. We will be able to achieve that by 2020. We've still got five years," he told The Star in an interview.
He was commenting on reports that the HSR line would not meet its original target date.
Wu pointed out that it took a mere three years to build the 1,318km Beijing-Shanghai HSR line, which was completed in 2010. It opened to the public in June 2011.
The 350km Kuala Lumpur-Singapore line is expected to cost about RM40bil (S$14.8 billion) while there are matters between Malaysia and Singapore which are expected to be ironed out by year end.
Wu said China was determined to build the line, adding that it would fall in with its plans to link Kunming to Singapore via some 2,700km of rail.
Calling it the "Pan-Asian Railway", he indicated that this would cut through Laos, Thailand and Malaysia.
He added that not all of this railway might be high-speed lines, especially in Laos, which has rough, mountainous terrain.
Wu said the HSR traffic might not be enough to justify building such a line but spoke of an economic "spillover effect" if it were to happen.
Chinese companies here, he added, might even start to develop areas near the Singapore-Kuala Lumpur line.
"If China is awarded the contract (in Malaysia), we'll encourage Chinese companies to locate their factories and firms along the railway line," he said.
He also said there were plans to build high-speed train cars in Malaysia should China be given the contract.
Asked what would China do if Chinese companies were unable to win the HSR bid, Wu said Malaysia had given assurance that this would be "open, fair and transparent".
Transport Minister Datuk Seri Liow Tiong Lai, who is in Beijing on an official visit, said while he welcomed the offer from China, the open tender would only be called after details of the project had been thrashed out between Malaysia and Singapore.
He said a memorandum bet*ween the two countries would be signed by end of this year, adding that it would then take another year to complete the technical study.
"By then, only we would know what is the actual period (needed to build the line).
"It is too early to say that the project can be completed by 2020 when we do not have the details yet," he said.
http://transport.asiaone.com/news/ge...020-says-china
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Land occupied by Jurong Country Club will be terminus site for Singapore-KL high-speed rail
http://news.asiaone.com/news/singap...be-terminus-site-singapore-kl-high-speed-rail
http://news.asiaone.com/news/singap...be-terminus-site-singapore-kl-high-speed-rail
Yes, let the Chinese come ! Nusajaya will boom big time
That will be cool...
Yes, let the Chinese come ! Nusajaya will boom big time
I am watching Malaysian TV channel 8 now on prime time. China HSR TV advertisement on the advantage of HSR keep on played during the commercial breaks... I think they are serious..
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Not surprisingly, the Chinese are very aggressive in bidding the HSR. Look at the number of Chinese developers buying up lands in JB. Malaysia is opening doors to the Chinese investors big time.
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Najib and Xi JinPing are very close friends.
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I got a feeling that eventually the HSR will go all the way to China.
Just for general information, Chinese HSR was developed from partnership with Kawasaki Heavy Industries which produces all the Shinkansen trains in Japan. In terms of technology, Chinese HSR is at par with the Japanese.
The PRCs are no fools. They must have known that HSR is a done deal . The sultan also, else why would he invest his own hard cash into the Forest City ? When one of the Biggest local insider does such an extraordinary thing, it's pretty telling
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They can always do the replication. Sadly they don't have the same QC/QA mentality.
I have taken Chinese HSR many times and I would say they are as good as Taiwanese and Japanese ones.
MY is notoriously famous for project excessively long delays and mammoth budget overruns ( eg. The PKFZ, KLIA2)
What if SG went ahead and build the HSR station and line towards Johor and MY delay project by years..................so we are going to have a mothballed station for years too?
What if SG went ahead and build the HSR station and line towards Johor and MY delay project by years..................so we are going to have a mothballed station for years too?
True, just like our mammoth budget for YOG, MCE,....
http://www.thestar.com.my/Business/...0m-Russian-highspeed-rail-contract/?style=biz
Moscow - Kazan = 770 km, USD 390 mil, USD 506,500 per km.
SG - KL = 390 km, est. RM 40 bil = USD 11 bil, USD 28,205,128 per km.
Why so huge difference? Sum got include land acquiring cost or just construction cost only? Because Moscow - Kazan non stop? Or is it both our songlap worse than Russia, China?
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True, just like our mammoth budget for YOG, MCE,....
http://www.thestar.com.my/Business/...0m-Russian-highspeed-rail-contract/?style=biz
Moscow - Kazan = 770 km, USD 390 mil, USD 506,500 per km.
SG - KL = 390 km, est. RM 40 bil = USD 11 bil, USD 28,205,128 per km.
Why so huge difference? Sum got include land acquiring cost or just construction cost only? Because Moscow - Kazan non stop? Or is it both our songlap worse than Russia, China?
From wikipedia.
Taiwan High Speed Rail (abbreviated THSR or HSR) is a high-speed rail line that runs approximately 345 km (214 mi) (actual length in operation is 339 km (211 mi)) along the west coast of Taiwan, from the national capital Taipei to the southern city of Kaohsiung. With construction managed by a private company, Taiwan High Speed Rail Corporation (THSRC), which also operates the line, the total cost of the project was US$18 billion. At the time it was built in 2007, this was one of the world's largest privately funded rail construction schemes. The system is based primarily on Japan's Shinkansen technology.
