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Proof That Welfare For Poor Lazy People Breeds Crutch Mentality
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You spastic maggot :oIo:
You are suggesting we pay the toilet clearner, toilet coin collector, McDonald's crew, dish collector, dish washer, road sweeper etc $1,600 each month. Then all of the poor students in Singapore will quit school at 16 to earn what is to them 'big' bucks.
And teachers will not be able to tell their students that they will end up as road sweepers if they do not study hard since road sweeper will earn the same wage as a Admin Officer.
These folks are not interested in paying decent wages to cleaners, sweepers, constructions works or maids. These are not jobs Singaporeans are interested in or will even think about doing.
Yeah. And the blind people here can't see that.
for once, i would have to agree with you. the children these days can't wait to lay their hands on any available source of cash so they can fulfill their material needs. that SGD$1.6K to them at the age of 16 is simply too alluring.
What do you mean???
I am ALWAYS right. It is just that my level of thinking is so advanced most of you can't catch up.
Sinkee teenagers are already spoilt by having maids clean up for them.
So you are agreeing that by having a job and being a responsible human being is bad?
Assholes here brag about sinkee kids being good in maths and science but at the same time saying they cannot be responsible in handling $1600?
The assholes here are indirectly saying that sinkee teens are inferior to western teens.
Good luck to peesaipore man.
You are such a child. You have never been out of peesaipore.
I will meet you anywhere in peesaipore so you can prove to me that you are not are not a child.
I live in woodlands.
You are saying that your children are fucktards and cannot handle $1600.
They need their maids to wipe their asses for them.
What the use of being first in science and maths? Cannot handle $1600?
Speak for yourself sucker.
In your words you are saying sinkees children are inferior to western kids since they cannot even be responsible of $1600.
You retarded spastic dog :oIo:
The children of graduates and rich people are much superior than Yankee kids.
I am referring to the poor kids with non-graduate parents.
You need a fucking brain transplant, you moron.:oIo:
These 8 kids wipe their own backsides.
They're offered money, jobs and food, so why are some desperate families still picky? By Genevieve Jiang
December 09, 2008
NO MONEY: Madam Juliana Saib and her husband, who have moved 12 times in two years, are now jobless. --TNP PICTURE: KELVIN CHNG
THEY get financial help, food rations, and even temporary shelter from community help groups.Social workers help them look for jobs, and help them with subsidised childcare and school fees, so they can work while their children remain in school.
But it can be an uphill task for community workers to get families like Madam Juliana Saib's back on their feet.
Said Mr Ravi Philemon, manager of the New Hope Shelter for Displaced Families: 'Sometimes, we help these families look for work but they refuse to take on the jobs. They are picky.
'They come up with excuses like the workplace is too far, or that the work is not suitable for them. But when you're down and out, with young kids to feed, surely any job that comes your way is a bonus.'
Are our social safety nets getting too comfortable for some, such that they breed reliance and complacency?
Should we be channelling our resources to those who can get themselves out of the poverty cycle, those who want to be helped?
With rising living costs and property prices, the number of nomadic families is on the rise, The Straits Times reported in June this year.
Each of the nine family service centres interviewed said it sees between 10 and 30 such cases each year.
Families end up at void decks, beaches and parks - sometimes for years - as a result of bad decisions and poor planning.
They over-extend themselves financially by buying a bigger flat than they can afford, resulting in banks seizing their flats over unpaid mortgage payments.
So they end up on the streets until they are allotted rental flats from the HDB or till they can afford to rent or buy a unit in the open market.
Friends and family may help, but it's often not easy for so many people under the same roof to get along.
An FSC social worker, who declined to be named, said: 'Community resources are limited, and they need to be used wisely. If families don't want to help themselves, there is little we can do.'
Said Mr Ravi: 'Some say they have no money for food but they spend on cigarettes.'
With a recession on, the situation may only get worse.
Certainly, if attitudes don't change, things are not likely to improve. After all, the community can only help those who help themselves.
Tomorrow, we meet a family who lost their youngest son because they were deep in marital problems. They did not work for more than a year after his death.
You spastic maggot :oIo:
I hope your sons and daughters will aspire to be toilet cleaners. They will lead a very happy life. We will just have import more Foreign Talents so that your children will get to wipe their talented arses.
Boy that shows how 'knowledgeable' and 'mature' you are. I'd bet a 15 year old teenage here in Australia has more maturity than you.
Second, I think if for example if there are people working for a minimum wage earning $1600 per month, I'd believe in Australia, office professionals, all white collar ones, are earning say $40k to $60k. Some accountants even earn more with $65 to $75k per annum.
So when was ever earning $1500 as a McD employee the same as working as a lawyer or as an architect or as an economist? Do you honestly think that Australia is communist because of minimum wage?
People like you should come down and see it for yourself before you shoot off aimlessly.
For that, btw, you earn another red card. Good luck in storing up all those red cards mate.
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A minimum wage policy may increase the cost of doing business, but with Singapore policy of getting cheap FT to depress the local worker's salary, a minimum wage should be implemented, so that, the wrokers here, would not be exploited.
Again not all foreign workers in Singapore can be classified as a FT. If you implement a minimum wage policy that is fair to all, the salaries of the maids, construction workers, laborers and cleaners goes up. They play a vital role in the economy and they are the ones are being exploited and whom will mostly benefit from such a policy at the expense of the Singaporean who will foot the bill for their increased wages. I'm fine with this but is that what you are really asking for?
Point to note: If people are earning more money and can afford a comfortable lifestyle with just one parent working full-time, and the other part time, they may not even need a full time maid.
And as for construction workers and as such, their salaries under a minimum wage scheme would depend on how many working hours they put in each week, are they full time or part time, and whether are they local or foreign.
But an open discussion about whether to implement it should be a better way for people to participate and to give their views- so as to consider both sides before any comprehensive legislation is passed to make a minimum wage salary a legal requirement.
We do not want to penalise the small business owners. We know, unlike the PAP, that small business growth is essential to reviving the private sector and the economy. The PAP is not, I repeat NOT, friendly to small business owners. We the opposition, will be friends of small business owners in the private sector.
Did you consider the income tax an average Australian pays? Australians are paid weekly and taxes are deducted from the pay checks prior as tax forms a significant amount. VAT in Australia is around 10%. Australians do not have the luxury of the employer contributing CPF that goes into paying off the mortgage. They pay that out of whatever disposable income they have.
In Singapore you do have professionals who earn likewise or even more but they pay a lot less in income tax.
Another point to note: Professionals earn here anywhere from A$40k to $85k depending on your profession. S'poreans back home, don't earn as much. Even if some earn $4000 on average, its not like its on the high end scale here. I have got a friend who works in a uni International student office, and she says she earns $40k+ per year.
Even with taxes, I reckon she brings back $27k per year on average. S'poreans in the upper middle range income may earn $48k per yr but in contrast may spend everything, because of CPF stealing 10% to 15%, and the government taking all the rest because of ERP, COE, bank mortgages, public utilities, SMRT, SBS et al.
And as for VAT, it must be noted that its called GST, and while its 10%, it only applies to goods and services that doesn't include fresh food, wages and among others. And small businesses don't pay tax upon tax upon buying raw materials from other businesses. Instead what the system here is that if small business pay GST for raw materials from another company, the state government, under federal law, will return it back as tax credits.
So they term this as GST outlays and will deduce these GST outlays from the GST collections, making it easier for small business owners to expand their operations internally, selling more goods or providing more services and externally, which is to expand within and outside Australia. Also, the Rudd federal government has announced that they will return A$440 million back in taxes to small businesses this month, understanding that small businesses are gonna be one of the main victims at a time like this.
Small business owners have never got such a deal in Singapore- even if they did, as long as Temasek, GIC and NTUC remains in the private sector, small businesses will continue to struggle with high costs, tough monopolistic competitors and bureaucracy. Not to mention copycats like URA.
And back to topic.. as for income taxes- well the government mainly charges income tax. But it doesn't have CPF, ERP, COE, and other acronyms that increases costs for ordinary Singaporeans over here. Unless you're a terribly rich guy, the government leaves you alone once you pay your taxes properly. And most people do it over here anyway.
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Singaporeans who are earning more money will not be affected by the minimum wage policy as they are above that threshold. Neither is minimum wage policy going to elevate the rest of the workers to a comfortable lifestyle. Remember its a MINIMUM WAGE POLICY. Further wanting to work full or part time is a personal choice, some people want that financial freedom. Given the Singaporean mentality of keeping up with the Jones, he likely to leverage himself to the hilt. That extra income is simply going to drive him to upgrade his car or upgrade his pigeonhole to a condo. The domestic maid will continue to be exploited regardless as he's going to resist paying her decent wages.
The policy will only work when you design minimum wage policy that is aimed at putting the FT on an equal footing or even at a disadvantage versus the Singaporean worker while ensuring the maids and construction worker continues to be exploited by Singaporeans by suppressing their wages under the pretext of hours worked, full/part time or locals first foreigners be damned policy. This policy however will only work for a while until businesses (SME or MNCs) decide its no longer worthwhile operating in Singapore and shift their operations to Batam or elsewhere.
Whatever opposition party (WP?) you claim you are from you sound exactly like the PAP. Feedback for just its sake. You call for "an open discussion about whether to implement it" and in the next breath say "consider both sides before any comprehensive legislation is passed to make a minimum wage salary a legal requirement." :-)
You might want to check with the SMEs first. They are the ones that are mostly benefiting from exploiting cheap labor and FTs. The MNCs usually pay fairly decent wages from what I have seen.
During the last financial crises, many older people or those whose experiences & high wages , found themselves out of work/ They found it extremely hard to find work, never mind if the job matches the skills or re-trained skills. It was the pay that was offered to them, and in that circumstances, the employers exploit the situation. It was either you take the job at a ridicurously low salary or they will tell you, there are FT out there, who would take the job at that rate, work longer hours and so forth. Remember, these FT's have no roots here, when the going gets tough, they just get going, & return, when the sun is shinning in a GOLDEN GLOW!.
It is the local that suffers...with such low salary, which barely or even just enough to pay some monthly essential bills, like Utilities, Propery Taxes, TV Licences, phone bills, Town Coucil Fees, & FOOD, who can the local survive.
Not to mention that, one have to add, the high cost of transportation ( public transport) & eating meals during work, at the ENHANCED coffee shops.
Never mind, the important vices like smoking (for some), contribution to Singapore Pools (betting), buying the shitty media (news paper) & subscribing to Internet services.
You add essentials like Children's upkeep & some even own a car, the expenses that goes into owing one and so forth.
That is why a mimimum wage is fair to Singaporean, whose mimimum wage that should match the person's, skill & age, average benchmarked to the various discipline.
Without minimum wage, & the employ a Singaporean first, the locals will suffer most, for foreign workers are just migrants, they just move off, when the economy gets bad.
It is the SINGAPOREAN'S that remain, and have to face great difficulties, just paying basic bills.
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