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Profirio on the Communist Issue

Dear Scroobal

That seperate link to the CCP is the first I have heard of it anywhere and is worthy of something from the Singaporean version of the X-Files :_)). That connection if it ever amounted to anything would have been a spy cell worthy of the best long term deep cover agents in history. I would not have put it the past the CCP to have a totally seprate and hidden cell structure as an insurance against the first failing acting as spies and informants.

Alas I was promised a copy of all the Kew records a box full but the owner misplaced it. Anyone heading up to London Soon ?




Locke
 
Alas I was promised a copy of all the Kew records a box full but the owner misplaced it. Anyone heading up to London Soon ?


At your service, provided you pay transport, room and board of course. :D
 
Dear Scroobal

I would not have put it the past the CCP to have a totally seprate and hidden cell structure as an insurance against the first failing acting as spies and informants.

Alas I was promised a copy of all the Kew records a box full but the owner misplaced it. Anyone heading up to London Soon ?
Locke

It is indeed significant and I agree with you. Might explain why Deng agreed to dismantle the CPM's broadcasting station at the request of old man and told Chin Peng and company to "look after the garden"

Its noteworthy to add that CPM cadres including the leadership team and Chin Peng who ended up in Beijing were more or less kept under "house arrest" and was not allowed to mix with other Chinese. There were clear expressed unhappiness over this segregation.

As to Kew records, the 30 year limitation before release does not apply to any of Intelligence and Special Records. The Kew records would still be a valuable trove.
 
I got this impression from reading narrative by Devan Nair and Gerald De Cruz.

There is also the fact that those detained under Ops Coldstore were divided between the maoist and leninist camps resulting in deep divide, intense arguments and silent treatments. .
 
This is one of the things that continues to fascinate me with regards this topic, the clandestine intrigue. Lai Teck's story first 'pulled' me in, followed by the Plen, Lim Chin Siong's riddle etc.

Harry's nugget is certainly food for thought.:cool:
Dear Scroobal

That seperate link to the CCP is the first I have heard of it anywhere and is worthy of something from the Singaporean version of the X-Files :_)). That connection if it ever amounted to anything would have been a spy cell worthy of the best long term deep cover agents in history. I would not have put it the past the CCP to have a totally seprate and hidden cell structure as an insurance against the first failing acting as spies and informants.
 
Bro, you probably get dragged in as well and not as a courier but for the angles that you see that we don't.


I'm a mere bystanding observer with limited angles. I can also be a mere courier if suitably commissioned and financed. :D

The winter wind has begun blowing into London. Not a very hospitable place, even with free transport, room and board.
 
I'm a mere bystanding observer with limited angles. I can also be a mere courier if suitably commissioned and financed. :D

The winter wind has begun blowing into London. Not a very hospitable place, even with free transport, room and board.
Perfect weather for a trenchcoat, dark glasses, suede shoes, wide brimmed hat slouched at an angle, cigarette hanging from your lips, rolled up copy of the Guardian under your armpit, walking with slight swagger towards Earl's Court and pondering if its going to be laksa or curry chips for lunch - the life of a man on a mission.
 
Perfect weather for a trenchcoat, dark glasses, suede shoes, wide brimmed hat slouched at an angle, cigarette hanging from your lips, rolled up copy of the Guardian under your armpit, walking with slight swagger towards Earl's Court and pondering if its going to be laksa or curry chips for lunch - the life of a man on a mission.


My, my, you must be a Casablanca fan. Sorry to disappoint but I look nowhere near Humphrey Bogart.
 
Scroobal,

Did you get your information from Dr Leon Comber's new book on the Malayan Special Branch published by ISEAS?

Looks like the public may never get to find out the entire objective history about the Malayan/Singaporean communists and socialists in the 50s/60s as Comber says some "sensitive" files were apparently destroyed and taken away by the British.
Just read it. Its a terrible book. I think this guy has a chip on his shoulder. He was first an accidental policeman having arrived as an soldier with Ops Zipper only to land in morib to find that Tokyo had surrendered. Got roped in by Brit Military Admin as a Police Officer.

He conveniently forgot to mention that his attempt to turn "Lee Meng" by bringing her home ended with his wife being turned and writing a book to the effect. As a result Templar screwed the shit out of him and got him transferred to the backwaters of I think Trengganu and he quit.

Though he became a successful publisher, when he retired, he became an accidental academic, now with PHD and all.

Though the book follows academic disciple to the core, it more on the role of whiteman telling asians what to do.. He has mentions Maurice Oldfield numerous times in the book - the legendary MI6 chief who hardly had an effect in fighting communist except being stationed in singapore watching over the russians.

Has a rather bad habit of mentioning white man deeds in the main text and asians in the footnote including the asian who won the george medal for penetrating the communist group and living with them in the jungle.

Can't believe Kesavapany actually invited him to Singapore for a term or 2 at ISEAS. Our love for whiteman in any form never ceases to amaze me.

ps. when the British handed over HK, the head of secret societies Branch of the Royal HK Police was a whiteman and the largest SS group in HK at that time was the Sun Yee Onn and they had reached their highest membership ever. I came to know that that when I saw a young kid painting rectangles in a carpark. The rectangles indicated the stall locations for the weekend market. The Stall holders paid the SS the right to trade and the kid was paid to ensure that the boundaries were well marked.
 
Hey many moons ago I once saw Ho and Devan Nair in almost similar garb on a cold winter's day heading towards Earls Court perhaps for that very laksa or curry chips:D
Perfect weather for a trenchcoat, dark glasses, suede shoes, wide brimmed hat slouched at an angle, cigarette hanging from your lips, rolled up copy of the Guardian under your armpit, walking with slight swagger towards Earl's Court and pondering if its going to be laksa or curry chips for lunch - the life of a man on a mission.
 
What a pity. The ST reviewer seemed to suggest that it was a book worth reading if one is interested in CPM's activities and the Special Branch during the 50s. Btw any mention of SB's officer Corrigon (maybe wrong spelling) who was mentioned by that Oz academic in the Comet book on Lim Chin Siong?

Just read it. Its a terrible book. .
 
What a pity. The ST reviewer seemed to suggest that it was a book worth reading if one is interested in CPM's activities and the Special Branch during the 50s. Btw any mention of SB's officer Corrigon (maybe wrong spelling) who was mentioned by that Oz academic in the Comet book on Lim Chin Siong?

Corridon is mentioned only once and it appeared in a list of gazetted british officers. That tells you alot.

Malcolm MacDonald, then High Commissioner for SEA had an inkling that his British countrymen might not be the best to read the ground where the communist were concerned and coveniently brought in an Oxford trained mainland Chinese who spent his early years in HK. He became the highest ranked Chinese in the Special Branch during that era. Guess what? No mention of him.

When Chin Peng was interviewed in Canberra by a panel of academics who were well known and Leon Chamber was also invited. I was curious and checked around bit. Not surprised that Templar sent him away to the backwaters.


No wonder he is a "honorary" academic at Monash.
 
Is he/or was he a Datuk? Recall reading about some chap that perhaps fits the bill.
Malcolm MacDonald, then High Commissioner for SEA had an inkling that his British countrymen might not be the best to read the ground where the communist were concerned and coveniently brought in an Oxford trained mainland Chinese who spent his early years in HK. He became the highest ranked Chinese in the Special Branch during that era. Guess what? No mention of him.
 
Actually, I think that the original quote was "if you're not a liberal in your 20s, you don't have heart; if you're still a liberal by your 40s, you don't have brains." Attributed to Winston Churchill if I recall correctly.
 
Come to think of it, you may be right. Rajaratnam and De Cruz may have 'lifted' it off Churchill.

Actually, I think that the original quote was "if you're not a liberal in your 20s, you don't have heart; if you're still a liberal by your 40s, you don't have brains." Attributed to Winston Churchill if I recall correctly.
 
Is he/or was he a Datuk? Recall reading about some chap that perhaps fits the bill.
Name was William Cheng, retired as Perm Sec labour, I believe. He was removed from Special Branch by Bogaars at the time of the merger to avoid retaliation by certain elements of the Malaysian Govt as he exposed corruption in Special Branch.
 
For those interested, this is the ST review

By Cheah Boon Kheng
Title: Malaya's Secret Police, 1945-60: The Role Of The Special Branch In The Malayan Emergency.

NOV 4 — Malaya's secret service, the Special Branch, succeeded in the fight against armed communist insurgency during the Malayan Emergency (1948-1960).

The Emergency was not a conventional war, but rather, a series of skirmishes, ambushes and bloody jungle clashes. The Special Branch played a crucial role in that fight by building up valuable knowledge of the Communist Party and its insurgents.

Dr Leon Comber, a Special Branch officer during the colonial period, has unravelled much of the secrecy surrounding the organisation's early history. Using British records, now open to researchers, as well as his own personal experiences, he has brought to light previously unknown details of the Special Branch's leadership, organisational structure, training and modus operandi.

Much of the information regarding the Special Branch is still secret, as not all of its records were handed over by the British to the Malayan government when Malaya became independent in 1957. It is believed that some “sensitive” files were either destroyed or taken back to London.

The key to the Special Branch's success in the intelligence war against the communists was the collaboration between the police, the army, the civilian administration and the Special Branch.

The army, throughout the Emergency, acted in support of the civil power. Comber notes that this is the opposite of the approach to counter-insurgency that the Americans have adopted in Iraq.

Intelligence operations after the British returned to Malaya in September 1945, following the Japanese surrender, were initially the responsibility of the Malayan Security Service (MSS), which had incorporated the functions of the pre-war Malayan and Singapore Special Branches. The MSS, however, was abolished at the outbreak of the Emergency because it had failed to predict the communist uprising.

In 1952, the Malayan and Singapore Special Branches became separate organisations. One reason for this was that the Communist Party of Malaya (CPM) in Singapore was regarded as largely autonomous from the CPM in Malaya. Interestingly, the CPM's secretary-general, Chin Peng, did not seem to place much weight in his autobiography on the activities of the party's Singapore Town Committee in the overall context of the Malayan insurgency.

Comber argues that the Special Branch succeeded not only because it “knew the enemy” but also because it was able to speak and understand the “political language” of the CPM.

“The paramount importance of knowledge of the Chinese language was realised early on, especially as the communist insurgents were predominantly Chinese, with relatively few Malay and Indian members,” Comber observes.

“Hence every effort was made to strengthen the Chinese component of the Special Branch and increase the number of British officers who had at least a working knowledge of either Cantonese or Hokkien, the two most widely spoken Chinese dialects in Malaya.”

Comber himself was a Cantonese- speaking member. He pays tribute to the Asian officers who worked with the British.

The best intelligence about the CPM was obtained by planting agents or “moles” within its ranks. But this was not easy as the guerillas were suspicious of outsiders joining them in the jungle.

The Special Branch had gained a considerable amount of information about the CPM before World War II from Lai Tek, the agent it had planted in the party in the 1930s and who rose to become the CPM's secretary-general. But in 1947, he was unmasked by the party's central committee, and fled to Bangkok, where he was eventually killed.

Another Special Branch success was the arrest of Lee Meng in 1952. That broke up the CPM's communications system, connecting Ipoh with Singapore and the CPM's central committee in southern Thailand, which she headed.

The Special Branch had to prise open thin, delicate, easily-hidden rice paper “rolls” on which communist couriers carried messages. The intercepted messages had to be decoded and translated.

In many instances, CPM defectors became experts in “turning operations” and acquired a formidable reputation as skilful interrogators of their former comrades. Some served the Special Branch so well that they were later given new identities and resettled in Canada and other countries.

The Special Branch achieved a great coup with the surrender in April 1958 of Hor Lung, head of the CPM's South Malaya Bureau, to the police in Johor. He was the first central committee member to surrender. For his defection, together with the 160 he brought along with him, he received a hefty financial reward.

A few weeks before Hor Lung's surrender, the Special Branch engineered a similar coup in Perak when 118 communist guerillas led by Tan Hong surrendered.

Hor Lung's surrender, however, was more significant because he was more senior. In December 1958, just eight months after his surrender, Johor was declared a white area, free of communist activity.

And when Malaya became independent in 1957, it inherited one of the most effective police intelligence agencies in Southeast Asia. — The Straits Times

The writer is a visiting professor in the Department of History at the National University of Singapore
 
Thanks. The chap I had in mind was a Malayan Chinese who was later conferred a datukship for his services in the Sepecial Branch.

Name was William Cheng, retired as Perm Sec labour, I believe. He was removed from Special Branch by Bogaars at the time of the merger to avoid retaliation by certain elements of the Malaysian Govt as he exposed corruption in Special Branch.
 
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