Pritam's idea of PAP-WP Coalition

[Whats4]

Should WP form a coalition gov, can WP lawmakers maintain their “personal independence, which ensures the security of tenure of the members of the decision-making bodies for the whole term of office.” ? Can the administration and the parliamentary polices and decisions be made "in complete independence" from PAP political pressure?

If it a no, WP will be no different from PAP.

 

[kingrant]

Before two or more parties come into a coalition, there has to be negotiations and agreements on the common approach otherwise govt apparatus will be in gridlock. Each side has to give up something. Compromises will have to be made on all sides, because all parties at the table have to realise that their whole survival- collectively, severally, or jointly - now depends on their cooperative endeavour to make govt work. Clearly as there is no majority party, how can there be anymore pressure to speak off?

Should WP form a coalition gov, can WP lawmakers maintain their “personal independence, which ensures the security of tenure of the members of the decision-making bodies for the whole term of office.” ? Can the administration and the parliamentary polices and decisions be made "in complete independence" from PAP political pressure?

If it a no, WP will be no different from PAP.

 

[kingrant]

That happens to be the thinking of Hitler as he believed that post WW2/ post Versailles Germany's problems could not be resolved by coaltion govt, and that only he and the Nazis would have the 'final solution' (pardon the pun).

Coalition is an ugly word. Look at the UK and exclude European nations. Coalition governments don't survive well especially in times of economic downturn.

 

[brocoli]

PAP - 42
WP - 23
NSP - 12
SPP - 6
SDP - 4

fug chiu cockster can win seats

NSP - 12
SPP - 6
SDP - 4


the erection after this become

PAP - 87
WP - 0


none wp-opp are a joke... any idea of being in a coalition with them is scary because it mean jokers like goh meng seng, nicole seah, sexpervert like spencer ng... isd mole JIak sai and gay activist Dr Vincent are in parliament...

even in th e past 30 year of opp politics with chiam, chee, low and jbj, 4 cocksters cant even work together....

opp-coalition govt is more scary than a pap govt... i will emigrate

either we have a wp govt or a pap govt.....
either way, parliament do not have a single seat for non wp opp....

 

[Cestbon]

Cant even win 1/3 seat talking about WP-PAP .................. very funny.Wasting time to discuss

 

[Fook Seng]

I think both the first 2 posts of this thread missed the point (of Sneering Tree, that is).

Scenario 1 tells you there are 9 parties in a hypothetical Singapore Parliament where none hold the majority. The largest party, WP, has 38 out of 113 seats and need 19 more. PAP has 12 seats and UFP (some new party formed 20 years from now) has 10. The 3 parties form a coalition of 60 seats to govern, despite past history between PAP and WP. The other 6 parties occupy the remaining 53 seats, each with about 2 to 15 seats - they form the opposition.

Scenario 2 has 2 parties, PAP with 74 seats, WP with 17 seats, both taking up all except 2 of the 93 seats which is under a new TJS party. It could have been 74 vs 19 but despite the lopsidedness, PAP and WP form a coalition and it becomes 91 vs 2.

There is a gulf of difference between 1 and 2. 1 looks very far away, 2 is possibly closer in the timeline. And more importantly, 1 is necessary, 2 is scary and negates necessity. Both are examples of PAP and WP forming a coalition, but lead to very different conditions. Pritam and Sneering points to 1, there are dishonest attempts to put it as 2.

Scenario 2 is not even academic. It will not happen. No party that has a clear majority will want to share power with a minority party. Is a 2/3 majority necessary for the ruling party to govern? A lot of people have fallen for this trap. That is why PAP votes are at 60%. If the middle ground knows that you don't need 2/3 majority to rule, more will vote for the opposition.

 

[Goh Meng Seng]

The issue is never about coalition, seriously.

I am never against coalition government of any kind but at what cost? That is the key question.

Goh Meng Seng

In politics there are no eternal friend or foe. Can GMS tell us with 100% certainty that a coalition with PAP is off the card for nsp in the future to come? What I understand is pritam is not ruling out anything when a question was asked and what GMS is doing is to manipulate people's selective perception into thinking that WP is working on forming a coalition gov with PAP.

 

[Fook Seng]

Whats the use of having WP if they will eventually embrace the same policies as PAP, perhaps with slight revisions..

If WP does not stand up to PAP, I rather vote PAP.. I agree with Goh Meng Seng on this following point..

I can tell you guys empirically that if WP and Low were as much of a threat as JBJ and Francis, Low would not be allowed to survive for so long, let along wrestle a GRC from them..

If it is just anti-PAP votes that they have won, WP would not have 6 voting MPs in parliament. LTK and company would be defending backruptcy suits if they are just anti-establishment and be made easy meat by the ruling party. And what do you really want to overturn. To me, only a few things are crucial - the political system which gives 60% of votes, 93% of the seats, HDB pricing policy, transportation policy, political freedom and the form of meritocracy. The rest are just your style versus my style. Get some seats first. Otherwise it is just hot air.

 

[CakeLengKia]

it is better to ply a more centrist and constructive route with different ideas from pap

 

[Perspective]

Scenario 2 is not even academic. It will not happen. No party that has a clear majority will want to share power with a minority party.

Exactly my point. It is a village idiot trying to forge a Mona Lisa painting. Only this case the village idiot turns into street conman.

 

[Whats4]

Before two or more parties come into a coalition, there has to be negotiations and agreements on the common approach otherwise govt apparatus will be in gridlock. Each side has to give up something. Compromises will have to be made on all sides, because all parties at the table have to realise that their whole survival- collectively, severally, or jointly - now depends on their cooperative endeavour to make govt work. Clearly as there is no majority party, how can there be anymore pressure to speak off?

i do not trust pap to give up important ministry to form any coliation gov and given pap political gangster behavior, it wouold likely pap will try all means to force WP to toe its line. But still it largely depend on how many seats PAP require.

 

[zhihau]

If a coalition cannot be agreed on, then a minority government will be formed. The president will appoint the PM and the PM appoints the cabinet, but this will be an unstable government because at any point of time a motion of no confidence can be passed.

i do not trust pap to give up important ministry to form any coliation gov and given pap political gangster behavior, it wouold likely pap will try all means to force WP to toe its line. But still it largely depend on how many seats PAP require.

bro,

this is the reason why i wanted to know about the chances of a coalition government

we'll have a fairly good chance to see a minority Government, in a time without the old man :p:p:p

 

[CakeLengKia]

try to think of it. it might not be a bad idea for a coaliation should pap splits into 2 parties (if what Tan Cheng Bock claims that PAP is starting to split into 2 camps is true) with one camp who are Leegime's loyalists and another camp 'reformists' after old Lee dies.

of course WP should be forming a coaliation govt with the reformist breakaway party should WP and the breakaway PAP wins enough seats.

 

[zhihau]

try to think of it. it might not be a bad idea for a coaliation should pap splits into 2 parties (if what Tan Cheng Bock claims that PAP is starting to split into 2 camps is true) with one camp who are Leegime's loyalists and another camp 'reformists' after old Lee dies.

of course WP should be forming a coaliation govt with the reformist breakaway party should WP and the breakaway PAP wins enough seats.

even if there's a breakaway, i wouldn't trust my vote with any of them, except for maybe TSK & TCB, fortunately these two are already out of PAP :p:p:p

 

[3_M]

even if there's a breakaway, i wouldn't trust my vote with any of them, except for maybe TSK & TCB, fortunately these two are already out of PAP :p:p:p

I don't think u should trust any politician be it opposition or ruling. U only need to identify whose camp are they on and make them work for u. Which is the reason why I voted for tcb knowing that he is the only one with realistic chance of beating TT.

 

[zhihau]

I don't think u should trust any politician be it opposition or ruling.

bro,
these are words of wisdom!

 

[SneeringTree]

The very fact that you titled this thread in this way suggests your vindictiveness at worse and pettiness at the very least. It was not Pritam SIng's "idea". It was a question which Pritam answered in a way all rational person would have answered.

You kept saying that there's nothing wrong in what Pritam said but your mad dog antics in sustaining this non-issue suggests otherwise. Once a weasel, always a weasel.

I am sorry that you not being elected has caused you such mental abnormalities but please seek treat with the professionals, not in this forum.

 

[eatshitndie]

The very fact that you titled this thread in this way suggests your vindictiveness at worse and pettiness at the very least. It was not Pritam SIng's "idea". It was a question which Pritam answered in a way all rational person would have answered.

You kept saying that there's nothing wrong in what Pritam said but your mad dog antics in sustaining this non-issue suggests otherwise. Once a weasel, always a weasel.

I am sorry that you not being elected has caused you such mental abnormalities but please seek treat with the professionals, not in this forum.

whichever moron insinuates that such an idea is even worth a debate needs to check in with the nearest mental asylum, where inmates have grand delusions of being observed and tracked by advanced aliens tasked with giving heavenly mandates to selected individuals who think they possess topnotch political acumen. *cough cough*

 

[Bigfuck]

whichever moron insinuates that such an idea is even worth a debate needs to check in with the nearest mental asylum, where inmates have grand delusions of being observed and tracked by advanced aliens tasked with giving heavenly mandates to selected individuals who think they possess topnotch political acumen. *cough cough*

Sorry man, by eating tot much shit while trying to kill yourself, you can no longer die and your neanderthal genes have evolved to cro magnon (EMH) genes.

 

[Robert Half]

fug chiu cockster can win seats

NSP - 12
SPP - 6
SDP - 4


the erection after this become

PAP - 87
WP - 0


none wp-opp are a joke... any idea of being in a coalition with them is scary because it mean jokers like goh meng seng, nicole seah, sexpervert like spencer ng... isd mole JIak sai and gay activist Dr Vincent are in parliament...

even in th e past 30 year of opp politics with chiam, chee, low and jbj, 4 cocksters cant even work together....

opp-coalition govt is more scary than a pap govt... i will emigrate

either we have a wp govt or a pap govt.....
either way, parliament do not have a single seat for non wp opp....

For the above, I agree with you.

either we have a wp garment or a pap garment ... I cannot imagine a coalition with SDA & RP will produce what kind of garment


But first WP must be able to field 87 good candidates in coming next 2 election