PRC construction worker gets SG citizen

[johnny333]

Funny how everyone here tells me not to dig up ancient history yet like to mention stuff which LKY or Nathan did BEFORE independence. WWII, them working for the Japs, Pre Independence, Operation Coldstore etc. ,,,

The history of LKY & Prata & what they did in WWII was brought up to show their true character. While other people suffered under the Japs, these 2 collaborators did well for themselves. Same thing is going on today, while lesser mortals are struggling in Spore, these 2 are doing well.

 

[Char_Azn]

The history of LKY & Prata & what they did in WWII was brought up to show their true character. While other people suffered under the Japs, these 2 collaborators did well for themselves. Same thing is going on today, while lesser mortals are struggling in Spore, these 2 are doing well.

So? It still doesn't change the fact that the post in here are inconsistent. There is no difference between digging up the history of LKY to make him look bad and digging up the history of someone else, in this case, just about everyone that isn't a Mat and compare it to a situation that doesn't require someone to look bad. Like I say, be consistent. If U have the rights to make LKY and Nathan look like Jap Collaborators, I have the right to say something about our ancestors coming from China.

You don't see me complaining about someone mentioning LKY and Nathan's WWII history as invalid so I expect the same to go for examples that draws on facts from the past. And for the record, no one can prove they were collaborators, only they have worked for the Japs. There's a different story between working for them and collaborating with them. One of my Grandmama's friend worked as a maid in a Jap officier's house(who later commited suicide at the end of the war), and I am very sure we don't consider her a collaborator!!!! If I can show respect to your total garbage and unproven comments, I expect U guys to show the same for mine.

 

[mscitw]

Lim Bo Seng fought e japs but a history revisionist suggests he was trying to overthrow e japs so that he could get his money back once e Brits are back.

If Lim wanted money, all he has to do is to follow the example of Taiwan's Kuo family, who prospered by collaborating with the japs and not choose such a silly route to get his money back.

PrataMan and Grand Autocrat served the Japs during WWII and are labelled as true heroes of peasantpore.

With money, modern historians will write the stuff that the regime desires.

 

[Char_Azn]

Lim Bo Seng fought e japs but a history revisionist suggests he was trying to overthrow e japs so that he could get his money back once e Brits are back.

If Lim wanted money, all he has to do is to follow the example of Taiwan's Kuo family, who prospered by collaborating with the japs and not choose such a silly route to get his money back.

PrataMan and Grand Autocrat served the Japs during WWII and are labelled as true heroes of peasantpore.

With money, modern historians will write the stuff that the regime desires.

As far as I was taught Lim Bo Seng has always been honored by the country as a national Hero!!! This is from Mindef Website

Every war would produce a hero and every country, a patriot, whose deeds would stand the test of time. It was sixty one years ago this month, in the dark years of the Japanese Occupation in Malaya, that such a person emerged. That hero was Lim Bo Seng.

Lim Bo Seng, despite his privileged background and success as a businessman, was staunchly anti-Japanese even before the war came to Malaya. An active contributor of the China Relief Fund, he was later the Director of the Labour Service Department in the newly formed Singapore Chinese Mobilisation Council. Certain to be a target of reprisals for the Japanese, he was compelled to flee Singapore just before it capitulated. He managed to reach Sumatra where he then made his way to Colombo and finally to Calcutta in India. There, he met a British officer, Basil Goodfellow, who persuaded him to join the British efforts in setting up a joint China-Britain espionage network in Malaya. He then proceeded on to Nationalist China to recruit overseas Malayan Chinese for this task. This resistance network came to be known as Force 136.

He was held in high regard by the British and other members of Force 136 for his patriotism, leadership and organisational abilities. After receiving training from the British in India, the men of Force 136 were inserted into Malaya via submarine in batches. Appointed leader of the Malayan Chinese section, he personally arrived in Malaya in November 1943 to co-ordinate the efforts. He was one of the five signatories in the Bukit Bidor Agreement signed on 1st Jan 1944 where the British and the Malayan Communist Party agreed to work together and support each other against the Japanese.

Tragedy was to strike when he was stopped at a checkpoint at Gopeng and arrested. He had earlier ignored warnings and pleas from his comrades about the danger of his mission, which was to revamp the entire intelligence network and solicit funds from his wealthy friends. Brought to Batu Gajah Prison, he was subjected to continuous interrogations and torture by the infamous Kempeitai. Lim Bo Seng was already weak in health, having just gone for a haemorrhoids operation in India before arriving in Malaya. To make matters worse, he suffered from dysentery. Finally, on 29th June 1944, he succumbed under the immense suffering and passed away.

Following the surrender of the Japanese in Malaya in September 1945, the accolades for Lim Bo Seng began to flow in. The Nationalist Government in China accorded to him a posthumous rank of Major-General and a grand funeral procession was held on 13th January 1946. His grave is situated at MacRitchie Reservoir. On the 10th Anniversary of his death, in 1954, a memorial was unveiled at the Esplanade to commemorate him.

Lim Bo Seng attained everlasting fame not only because he gave up everything, including his life, to fight against an enemy he deemed to be tyrannical and cruel but also because of his steadfast refusal under pain and torture to reveal the information which would endanger the lives of his comrades and the cause he was fighting for.

Lim Bo Seng's Force 136

Lim Bo Seng's name is inextricably linked with that of Force 136, for he had a hand in setting it up and bringing it to fruition. The British regrouped after their disastrous capitulation and plans were afoot to regain their lost territories. However, they lacked intelligence on the Japanese troops in Malaya and this could only be remedied if they had a good intelligence network on the ground. For this purpose, Lim Bo Seng was persuaded by the British to help set up a clandestine spy network in Malaya. With Bo Seng's help, the British joined forces with Nationalist China to recruit and train the Force 136 members, which consisted mainly of overseas Malayan Chinese. From China, these men were sent to the Far East Military School in Poona, India where they were taught shooting and survival skills, jungle and guerrilla warfare and intelligence gathering techniques.

Upon graduation, they were sent to Malaya in batches, at first by submarine. The first team, Gustavus I, departed for Malaya on 11th May 1943 and landed in Tanjong Hantu on the 24th. The first base was set up at Bukit Segari. Subsequent batches were landed along the west coast of Malaya. Later on in the war, Force 136 members were parachuted into various Malayan states. As the war dragged on and it became apparent that Japan was losing the war, more and more British officers and Force 136 members were parachuted in, along with weapons and supplies. However, before Operation Zipper (the planned British invasion of Malaya) was launched, the Japanese surrendered unconditionally. Shortly after the surrender, Force 136 was disbanded, but not before its members had been feted as liberation heroes who had put their lives on the line for freedom.

http://www.mindef.gov.sg/imindef/about_us/history/world_war2/v09n06_history.html

 

[yuelao]

U probably don't know Australia very well. They like to allow pple seeking "political asylum" to enter. Translation, they allow a bunch of useless freaks to get in and leech on the government for free

Also I basically know of a lot of Toms Dicks and Harrys who made it into Australia. My Ex-GF's dad was a cab driver with sec sch education(he didn't graduate in case U were wondering). Guess what, he is now a cab driver in Australia!!!! Australia must SERIOUSLY be in need of new Cab drivers

Yeah? Just what is the percentage they allow in on compassionate grounds as compared to the entire population?

It is a fact that Sinkieland has 40% PR/foreigner population fighting for space with the local-born on a peesai-size island. Find me a real first world country with that same ratio and I will go fuck the spider for you.

The crux of the issue here is that the government has carried things to the extreme and this is not the first time.

 

[Char_Azn]

Yeah? Just what is the percentage they allow in on compassionate grounds as compared to the entire population?

Global Net Migration Rate Ranking: Migrants per 1,000 population

8 Australia 6.23 2009 est.
9 Jordan 5.83 2009 est.
10 Singapore 5.82 2009 est.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_net_migration_rate

I suggest U follow my lead and check your facts first before U shoot crap out of your mouth

 

[cockie]

The floating people of China
Country's export of labour faces growing scorn
by The New York Times 05:55 AM Dec 22, 2009

TRUNG SON - It seemed as if this village in northern Vietnam had struck gold when a Chinese and a Japanese company arrived to jointly build a coal-fired power plant.

Thousands of jobs would start flowing in, or so the residents hoped.

Four years later, the Haiphong Thermal Power Plant is nearing completion.

But only a few hundred Vietnamese ever got jobs. Most of the workers were Chinese, about 1,500 at the peak.
China, famous for its export of cheap goods, is increasingly known for shipping out cheap labour.

These global migrants often work in factories or on Chinese-run construction and engineering projects, though the range of jobs is astonishing: From planting flowers in the Netherlands to doing secretarial tasks in Singapore to herding cows in Mongolia - even delivering newspapers in the Middle East.

But a backlash against them has grown. Across Asia and Africa, episodes of protest and violence against Chinese workers have flared.

Vietnam and India are among the nations that have moved to restrict the number of Chinese workers allowed to enter, straining relations with Beijing.

Chinese workers continue to follow China's state-owned construction companies as they win construction bids abroad.

From January to October this year, Chinese companies completed US$58 billion ($81 billion) of projects, a 33-per-cent increase over the same period last year, according to the Chinese Ministry of Commerce.

From Angola to Uzbekistan, Iran to Indonesia, some 740,000 Chinese workers were abroad at the end of last year, with 58 per cent sent out last year alone. The number going abroad this year is on track to roughly match that rate.

The workers are hired in China, either directly by Chinese enterprises or by Chinese labour agencies that place the workers; there are 500 operational licensed agencies and many illegal ones.

Chinese executives say that Chinese workers are not always less expensive, but that they tend to be more skilled and easier to manage than local workers.

But in some countries, local residents accuse the Chinese of stealing jobs, staying on illegally and keeping to themselves.

"There are entire Chinese villages now," said Pham Chi Lan, former executive vice-president of the Vietnam Chamber of Commerce and Industry.

"We've never seen such a practice on projects done by companies from other countries."

At this construction site north-east of the port city of Haiphong, an entire Chinese world has sprung up.

At the Haiphong power plant, the Chinese are sequestered in ramshackle dorm rooms and segregated by profession: welders and electricians and crane operators.

A poem written on a wooden door testifies to the rootless nature of their lives: "We're all people floating around in the world. We meet each other, but we never really get to know each other."

 

[Char_Azn]

you get ur facts right..
even if you are singapore citizen.. you can get all the rights in india..like buying properties and stay indefinitely.. if u are a person of indian origin.. almost the same as dual citizenship

Definition of
Permanent Resident: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permanent_residency

Citizen: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizenship

Dual Citizenship status in SG
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singaporean_nationality_law#Dual_citizenship

SG Resident vs Citizen benefits
http://www.ica.gov.sg/data/resources/docs/BenefitsPrivilegesRightsObligations_20080429.pdf

BTW the new changes to school fees are not reflected in there
http://www.straitstimes.com/BreakingNews/SEAsia/Story/STIStory_469430.html

 

[yuelao]

Global Net Migration Rate Ranking: Migrants per 1,000 population



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_net_migration_rate

I suggest U follow my lead and check your facts first before U shoot crap out of your mouth

You fucking retard. I was asking you what is the percentage Australia is letting in on compassionate grounds and you quote me some statistics on net migration rate. Did you pass PSLE?

Do you know how the stats are obtained? Do you know that Australia counts their own citizens in the stats as well. They called it Permanent and Long-Term arrivals (PLT). Many of their citizens go overseas for their Overseas Experience (OE) and for the past couple of years, many have returned due to poor economic conditions elsewhere.

Look at the percentage of foreign-born here. It is 24% as compared to at least 40% in Sinkieland and that is on a vast sparsely-populated continent.

Please read my post again and engage your brains this time. I am not against immigration on its own. I am against immigration without taking into context factors like resource contention, quality control, etc.

Lastly, you can drop the big bold fonts. I can certainly read and comprehend better than you do.

 

[Char_Azn]

Yeah I didn't answer your question directly. However I wanted to point out the fact that Australia have as high a migration rate(which we now know is higher) then us since U don't seem to want to believe me when I said that Aussies also let in any Tom Dick and Harry.

 

[yuelao]

Yeah I didn't answer your question directly. However I wanted to point out the fact that Australia have as high a migration rate(which we now know is higher) then us since U don't seem to want to believe me when I said that Aussies also let in any Tom Dick and Harry.

Again I am asking you. How are the stats derived? Are you comparing apples against apples? I am not looking at the stats because the method used may be different.

It is a fact that Sinkieland has 40% PR/foreigner population fighting for space with the local-born on a peesai-size island. Find me a real first world country with that same ratio and I will go fuck the spider for you.

The crux of the issue here is that the government has carried things to the extreme and this is not the first time.

I brought up the issue of having context around immigration numbers but you keep fudging the topic. I now ask you directly. Has the government considered the social and resource impact adequately before allowing the influx of foreigners?

 

[Char_Azn]

Again I am asking you. How are the stats derived? Are you comparing apples against apples? I am not looking at the stats because the method used may be different.



I brought up the issue of having context around immigration numbers but you keep fudging the topic. I now ask you directly. Has the government considered the social and resource impact adequately before allowing the influx of foreigners?

All stats are from the same source, CIA Factbook. If U think the CIA like to screw themselves and use different method to calculate the numbers from different countries, then I can't comment since I won't know.

With regards to the social impact of immigrants to Australia, its not that much different from SG. Local population not happy with immigrants "stealing their jobs" etc. Read more on the Pauline Hanson saga if U like to find out more. And with regards to integration with the local society, Australia is trying to deal with that by coming up with a localization test for potential new citizen, same test that the SG government proposed not so long ago. Immigration situation may be different the world over, but the basic problems they all face are the same

And if U prefer to totally ignore facts and stats I've posted then I really have nothing more to say.

 

[yuelao]

All stats are from the same source, CIA Factbook. If U think the CIA like to screw themselves and use different method to calculate the numbers from different countries, then I can't comment since I won't know.

And where the fuck did CIA get its stats from? From the source country themselves, you idiot. You think CIA so free, go around collecting each countries' stats themselves and then put it out for public consumption?

With regards to the social impact of immigrants to Australia, its not that much different from SG. Local population not happy with immigrants "stealing their jobs" etc. Read more on the Pauline Hanson saga if U like to find out more. And with regards to integration with the local society, Australia is trying to deal with that by coming up with a localization test for potential new citizen, same test that the SG government proposed not so long ago. Immigration situation may be different the world over, but the basic problems they all face are the same

And if U prefer to totally ignore facts and stats I've posted then I really have nothing more to say.

I should think you jolly well have nothing more to say. You haven't even answered my question of whether the government has done its proper duty. Come on, don't waffle, pick a stand.

 

[yuelao]

All stats are from the same source, CIA Factbook. If U think the CIA like to screw themselves and use different method to calculate the numbers from different countries, then I can't comment since I won't know.

And where the fuck did CIA get its stats from? From the source country themselves, you idiot. You think CIA so free, go around collecting each countries' stats themselves and then put it out for public consumption?

With regards to the social impact of immigrants to Australia, its not that much different from SG. Local population not happy with immigrants "stealing their jobs" etc. Read more on the Pauline Hanson saga if U like to find out more. And with regards to integration with the local society, Australia is trying to deal with that by coming up with a localization test for potential new citizen, same test that the SG government proposed not so long ago. Immigration situation may be different the world over, but the basic problems they all face are the same

And if U prefer to totally ignore facts and stats I've posted then I really have nothing more to say.

I should think you jolly well have nothing more to say. You haven't even answered my question of whether the government has done its proper duty. Come on, don't waffle, pick a stand.

 

[Char_Azn]

The reason why I do not answer your question is the same reason why I have nothing more to say about. The CIA gets it source from somewhere, most probably from the country's ministry for keeping stats or from their own sources, it doesn't matter, where that information is from, the information is important to them and hence they will ensure that the information is as accurate as it can be.

If they get their information from the local government and if its inaccurate it points to the fact that both the government and the CIA is either incompetent or a bunch of liars. Same goes from CIA using their own sources.

With that said it is however unlikely that the information that is presented is grossly inaccurate. There is a fixed number of pple in the world. Someone migrating from point A to B will mean that the numbers at A will decrease and the numbers at B will increase. Basic math. There are of course always margin for estimations and errors however it is highly unlikely to have a large population of magical pple who just appear out of nowhere to unbalance the stats. Even if the local government lied, the CIA source is inaccurate, common sense will tell you that if 1 + 1 doesnt equal 2, something is very wrong somewhere. Hence the CIA factbook may not be the most accurate, it should not be too far off either.

Back to the reason why I can't be bothered to reply your question directly, if you are too stubborn or too stupid to comprehend for yourself what I just wrote, then nothing I say will get through.

 

[TeeKee]

what are you doing tonight, get your butt out in the front of your computer and go and see Avatar in imax 3d.

viewer discretion advisory...do remember to bring your throw up bag with you...

 

[TeeKee]

Personally i think we should not condemn anyone who is willing to contribute to the country. However I have serious issues with pple who turn PR and refuses to turn citizen. Those are the ones who have no intention to contribute to the country

i agree with you everything except this last statement...

anybody who contributes taxes by working in SGP is contributing to the country in some way....

even stay at home moms looking after your SGPlian babies!!!

 

[johnny333]

So? It still doesn't change the fact that the post in here are inconsistent. There is no difference between digging up the history of LKY to make him look bad and digging up the history of someone else, in this case, ....

I'm sure there are many who are interested in your grandfathers achievements but he's just another lesser mortal.

LKY on the other hand is the founder of Spore, isn't that why he's paying himself, his sons, his daugther, his daughter-in-law,.......millions

As the self proclaimed founder of Spore people hold him responsible. You can't have a dictorship without someone at the top.

 

[Areopagus]

As someone pointed out, Australia has had an illegal immigrant problem for the last two hundred and fifty years - just ask any aboriginal Australian!

 

[yuelao]

Back to the reason why I can't be bothered to reply your question directly, if you are too stubborn or too stupid to comprehend for yourself what I just wrote, then nothing I say will get through.

WTF, after spewing so much crap, you still can't answer my question and pick a stand? Has or has not the government handled the immigration issue with proper care? This is a yes/no question, no need to go beating about the bush. I just want to know where you stand. I have already stated my opinion but I guess you are just a typical PAP sycophant who steers the ship wherever the wind blows, just like your master LKY.