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The same for vaccine takers. There are some who feel it's only fair that those who reject vaccines be charged to pay out of pocket should they get COVID19 and be hospitalized.

Attitudes towards vaccines, medications will change dramatically when one gets sick and lying in hospital trying to breathe. :rolleyes:

Attitudes towards vaccines will change when a perfectly healthy individual whose risk of dying from Covid was lower than the risk of dying from influenza ends up dead from the vaccination because he trusted the authorities and believed that the vaccines were perfectly safe.
 

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Fact Check-British Airways is not in ‘crisis talks’ with the government over vaccinated pilots​

By Reuters Fact Check
4 Min Read

Claims that British Airways is in “crisis talks” with the British government due to the deaths of three pilots who received COVID-19 shots are unfounded, a company representative and British medicines regulator spokesperson has told Reuters.

Shared in the form of a voice recording on Facebook, Instagram and Twitter, an unidentified male says he has spoken to a “friend who’s a BA pilot” and explains “things are getting crazy” after three fellow pilots passed away (here , here and here).


“They’ve had the third BA pilot die in the last seven days, yeah? Third pilot dead in the last week,” says the man heard in the recording. “The first two guys were in their forties and fifties; this guy, mid-thirties, perfectly fit, no underlying conditions. He gets his second jab and he’s dead within days, exactly the same with the first two.

“Because of this, BA are now in crisis talks with the government about whether to allow vaccinated pilots to fly. The issue with that of course is that about 80%, according to my friend in BA, 80-85% have been injected.”


The man then goes on to say only “10% of pilots will be able to fly,” branding it a “serious issue”.

On Twitter, some users have also shared a photo of what appears to be four books of condolence next to framed pictures of four men in a British Airways-themed lounge (here). “I believe it was actually FOUR young pilots who died due to the Maxine,” tweeted one user.


Reuters presented the claims to British Airways, which said they were unfounded and that no such talks were underway with the government. The spokesperson, however, confirmed the authenticity of the four condolence books, as four company pilots had recently passed away. “Our thoughts are with their family and friends,” they said, adding that none of the deaths was linked to vaccines.

In a statement to Reuters, the UK’s Medicines & Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) also denied any such crisis talks with Britain’s flagship air carrier.


“We have not been made aware of deaths of BA pilots after receiving the Covid-19 vaccine and have not had discussions with BA or other airlines, about preventing pilots from flying after receiving the COVID-19 vaccine,” said Dr. Sarah Branch, the director of vigilance and risk management of medicines for the MHRA. “There are currently no restrictions on aviation or other industries and activities post vaccination.

“Our advice remains that the benefits of the vaccine outweigh the risks in the majority of people. It is still vitally important that people come forward for their vaccination and for their second dose when invited to do so.

“We ask anyone who suspects they have experienced a side effect linked with their COVID-19 vaccine to report it to the Coronavirus Yellow Card website.”

VERDICT​

False. British Airways is not in “crisis talks” with the British government about vaccinated pilots. Four pilots have recently died – and British Airways says none of these is linked to vaccines.

This article was produced by the Reuters Fact Check team. Read more about our work to fact-check social media posts here .
 

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Attitudes towards vaccines will change when a perfectly healthy individual whose risk of dying from Covid was lower than the risk of dying from influenza ends up dead from the vaccination because he trusted the authorities and believed that the vaccines were perfectly safe.
You are back to talking like my teenager... :roflmao: Nothing is "perfectly safe" lah.... But curiously, with 3 billion being vaccinated around the world and over 50% of Sinkees included and counting, looking for that example you mentioned may be easy to do. People die everyday from various causes or no cause at all. So blaming unexpected deaths on a vaccine that is proven to be safe is not difficult.

Complacency is a dangerous thing when it comes to health. Not getting a disease is very, very different from experiencing it. I bet you wouldn't be talking like a smart aleck should you get seriously ill from COVID and struggling to breathe like millions around the world. Many more millions that talk smartass like you about COVID being a mild disease and rejecting vaccine protection are now lying in cemeteries around the world feeding daisies...
 

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Fact Check-British Airways is not in ‘crisis talks’ with the government over vaccinated pilots​

By Reuters Fact Check
4 Min Read

Claims that British Airways is in “crisis talks” with the British government due to the deaths of three pilots who received COVID-19 shots are unfounded, a company representative and British medicines regulator spokesperson has told Reuters.

Shared in the form of a voice recording on Facebook, Instagram and Twitter, an unidentified male says he has spoken to a “friend who’s a BA pilot” and explains “things are getting crazy” after three fellow pilots passed away (here , here and here).


“They’ve had the third BA pilot die in the last seven days, yeah? Third pilot dead in the last week,” says the man heard in the recording. “The first two guys were in their forties and fifties; this guy, mid-thirties, perfectly fit, no underlying conditions. He gets his second jab and he’s dead within days, exactly the same with the first two.

“Because of this, BA are now in crisis talks with the government about whether to allow vaccinated pilots to fly. The issue with that of course is that about 80%, according to my friend in BA, 80-85% have been injected.”


The man then goes on to say only “10% of pilots will be able to fly,” branding it a “serious issue”.

On Twitter, some users have also shared a photo of what appears to be four books of condolence next to framed pictures of four men in a British Airways-themed lounge (here). “I believe it was actually FOUR young pilots who died due to the Maxine,” tweeted one user.


Reuters presented the claims to British Airways, which said they were unfounded and that no such talks were underway with the government. The spokesperson, however, confirmed the authenticity of the four condolence books, as four company pilots had recently passed away. “Our thoughts are with their family and friends,” they said, adding that none of the deaths was linked to vaccines.

In a statement to Reuters, the UK’s Medicines & Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) also denied any such crisis talks with Britain’s flagship air carrier.


“We have not been made aware of deaths of BA pilots after receiving the Covid-19 vaccine and have not had discussions with BA or other airlines, about preventing pilots from flying after receiving the COVID-19 vaccine,” said Dr. Sarah Branch, the director of vigilance and risk management of medicines for the MHRA. “There are currently no restrictions on aviation or other industries and activities post vaccination.

“Our advice remains that the benefits of the vaccine outweigh the risks in the majority of people. It is still vitally important that people come forward for their vaccination and for their second dose when invited to do so.

“We ask anyone who suspects they have experienced a side effect linked with their COVID-19 vaccine to report it to the Coronavirus Yellow Card website.”

VERDICT​

False. British Airways is not in “crisis talks” with the British government about vaccinated pilots. Four pilots have recently died – and British Airways says none of these is linked to vaccines.

This article was produced by the Reuters Fact Check team. Read more about our work to fact-check social media posts here .
Thanks for this. So did attitudes towards vaccinations change? To quote from the article: “...Our advice remains that the benefits of the vaccine outweigh the risks in the majority of people. It is still vitally important that people come forward for their vaccination and for their second dose when invited to do so...."

People die from various sources. Millions are being vaccinated everyday. It's too easy to blame all deaths on vaccinations. Benefits from vaccinations don't make a good story so that's why you don't get to read much about the billions who have benefitted from the protection that vaccinations provide. Stories like these are more "sensational" and can sell news better...:rolleyes:
 

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You are back to talking like my teenager... :roflmao: Nothing is "perfectly safe" lah.... But curiously, with 3 billion being vaccinated around the world and over 50% of Sinkees included and counting, looking for that example you mentioned may be easy to do. People die everyday from various causes or no cause at all. So blaming unexpected deaths on a vaccine that is proven to be safe is not difficult.

Complacency is a dangerous thing when it comes to health. Not getting a disease is very, very different from experiencing it. I bet you wouldn't be talking like a smart aleck should you get seriously ill from COVID and struggling to breathe like millions around the world. Many more millions that talk smartass like you about COVID being a mild disease and rejecting vaccine protection are now lying in cemeteries around the world feeding daisies...

Covid is a mild disease for the vast majority of those who catch it and it definitely does not warrant all the disruption to our daily lives. It's a gross over reaction.

Wanna save lives? ban tobacco and booze.

https://ourworldindata.org/smoking : 8 million died from smoking in 2017.

Alcohol related deaths add another 3 million to the annual death toll.

So why do governments tolerate these vices. The answer is political just as the current mass vaccination against Covid is political. There are a lot of people with vested interests and are clipping the ticket along the way.
 

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How mRNA went from a scientific backwater to a pandemic crusher | WIRED UK​

David Cox 3h​

Getty Images / WIRED
In 1995, Katalin Karikó was at her lowest ebb. A biochemist at the University of Pennsylvania (UPenn), Karikó had dedicated much of the previous two decades to finding a way to turn one of the most fundamental building blocks of life, mRNA, into a whole new category of therapeutics.
More often than not, Karikó found herself hitting dead ends. Numerous grant applications were rejected, and an attempt to raise funding from venture capitalists in New York to form a spin-off company had proved to be a fruitless endeavour. ”They initially promised to give us money, but then they never returned my phone calls,” she says.

By the mid 1990s, Karikó’s bosses at UPenn had run out of patience. Frustrated with the lack of funding she was generating for her research, they offered the scientist a bleak choice: leave or be demoted. It was a demeaning prospect for someone who had once been on the path to a full professorship. For Karikó’s dreams of using mRNA to create new vaccines and drugs for many chronic illnesses, it seemed to be the end of the road.

Thirty four years earlier, the discovery of mRNA had been announced amidst a clamour of scientific excitement in the summer of 1961. For more than a decade, researchers in the US and Europe had been attempting to unravel exactly how DNA is involved in the creation of proteins – the long strings of amino acids that are vital to the growth and functioning of all life forms.

It transpired that mRNA was the answer. These molecules act like digital tape recorders, repeatedly copying instructions from DNA in the cell nucleus, and carrying them to protein-making structures called ribosomes. Without this key role, DNA would be nothing but a useless string of chemicals, and so some have dubbed mRNA the ‘software of life.’

At the time the nine scientists credited with discovering mRNA were purely interested in solving a basic biological mystery, but by the 1970s the scientific world had begun to wonder if it could exploit this cellular messaging system to turn our bodies into medicine-making factories.

Artificial mRNA, designed and created in a petri dish and then delivered to the cells of sick patients through tiny packages called nanoparticles, offered a way of instructing the body to heal itself. Research groups around the world began looking into whether mRNA could be used to create the vaccines of the future by delivering messages to cells, teaching them to create specific antibodies to fight off a viral infection. Others started investigating whether mRNA could help the immune system recognise and destroy cancerous tissue.

Karikó was first exposed to these ideas as an undergraduate student in 1976, during a lecture at the University of Szeged in her native Hungary. Intrigued, she began a PhD, studying how mRNA might be used to target viruses. While the concept of gene therapy was also beginning to take off at the same time, capturing the imagination of many scientists, she felt mRNA had the potential to help many more people.

“I always thought that the majority of patients don’t actually need new genes, they need something temporary like a drug, to cure their aches and pains,” she said. “So mRNA was always more interesting to me.”

At the time, the technology required to make such grand ambitions a reality did not yet exist. While scientists knew how to isolate mRNA from cells, creating artificial forms was not possible. But in 1984, the American biochemist Kary Mullis invented polymerase chain reaction (PCR), a method of amplifying very small amounts of DNA so it can be studied in detail. By 1989, other researchers had found a way to utilise PCR to generate mRNA from scratch, by amplifying DNA strands and using an enzyme called RNA polymerase to create mRNA molecules from these strands. “For scientists working on mRNA, this was very empowering,” said Karikó. “Suddenly we felt like we could do anything.”

With an mRNA boom taking place on the other side of the Atlantic, Karikó decided it was time to leave Hungary and head for the US. So in 1985, she accepted a job at Temple University and moved to Philadelphia along with her husband, two year old daughter, and a teddy bear with £900 sewn into it – the proceeds from the sale of their car on the black market.

It did not take long for the American dream to sour. After four years, she was forced to leave Temple University for neighbouring UPenn after a dispute with her boss, who then attempted to have her deported. There she began working on mRNA therapies which could be used to improve blood vessel transplants, by producing proteins to keep the newly transplanted vessels alive.

However, by the early to mid 1990s, some of the early excitement surrounding mRNA was beginning to fade. While scientists had cracked the problem of how to create their own mRNA, a new hurdle had emerged. When they injected it into animals it induced such a severe inflammatory response from the immune system that they died immediately. Any thoughts of human trials were impossible.

This was a serious problem, but one Karikó was determined to solve. She recalls spending one Christmas and New Year’s Eve conducting experiments and writing grant applications. But many other scientists were turning away from the field, and her bosses at UPenn felt mRNA had shown itself to be impractical and she was wasting her time. They issued an ultimatum, if she wanted to continue working with mRNA she would lose her prestigious faculty position, and face a substantial pay cut.

”It was particularly horrible as that same week, I had just been diagnosed with cancer,” said Karikó. “I was facing two operations, and my husband, who had gone back to Hungary to pick up his green card, had got stranded there because of some visa issue, meaning he couldn’t come back for six months. I was really struggling, and then they told me this.”

While undergoing surgery, Karikó assessed her options. She decided to stay, accept the humiliation of being demoted, and continue to doggedly pursue the problem. This led to a chance meeting which would both change the course of her career, and that of science.

In 1997, Drew Weissman, a respected immunologist, moved to UPenn. This was long before the days where scientific publications were available online, and so the only way for scientists to peruse the latest research was to photocopy it from journals. “I found myself fighting over a photocopy machine in the department with this scientist called Katalin Karikó,” he remembered. ”So we started talking, and comparing what each other did.”
While Karikó’s academic status at UPenn remained lowly, Weissman had the funding to finance her experiments, and the two began a partnership. “This gave me optimism, and kept me going,” she said. “My salary was lower than the technician who worked next to me, but Drew was supportive and that’s what I concentrated on, not the roadblocks I’d had to face.”

Karikó and Weissman realised that the key to creating a form of mRNA which could be administered safely, was to identify which of the underlying nucleosides – the letters of RNA’s genetic code – were provoking the immune system and replace them with something else. In the early 2000s, Karikó happened across a study which showed that one of these letters, Uridine, could trigger certain immune receptors. It was the crucial piece of information she had been searching for.

In 2005, Karikó and Weissman published a study announcing a specifically modified form of mRNA, which replaced Uridine with an analog – a molecule which looked the same, but did not induce an immune response. It was a clever biological trick, and one which worked. When mice were injected with this modified mRNA, they lived. “I just remember Drew saying, ’Oh my god, it’s not immunogenic,’” said Karikó. “We realised at that moment that this would be very important, and it could be used in vaccines and therapies. So we published a paper, filed a patent, established a company, and then found there was no interest. Nobody invited us anywhere to talk about it, nothing.”

Unbeknown to them, however, some scientists were paying attention. Derrick Rossi, then a postdoctoral researcher at Stanford University, read Karikó and Weissman’s paper and was immediately intrigued. In 2010, Rossi co-founded a biotech company called Moderna, with a group of Harvard and MIT professors, with the specific aim of using modified mRNA to create vaccines and therapeutics. A decade on, Moderna is now one of the leaders in the Covid-19 vaccine race and valued at approximately $35 billion (£26b), after reporting that its mRNA based vaccine showed 94 per cent efficacy in a Phase III clinical trial.

But it was not novel infectious disease vaccines which got the world interested in mRNA again. Around the same time, Rossi was establishing Moderna, Karikó and Weissman were also finally managing to commercialise their finding, licensing their technology to a small German company called BioNTech, after five years of trying and failing.

Both Moderna and BioNTech – which had been founded by a Turkish born entrepreneur called Ugur Sahin - had their eye on the lucrative fields of cancer immunotherapy, cardiovascular and metabolic diseases. Now that Karikó and Weissman’s discovery made it possible to safely administer mRNA to patients, some of the original goals for mRNA back in the 1970s, had become viable possibilities again.

Vaccines were also on the horizon. In 2017, Moderna began developing a potential Zika virus vaccine, while in 2018 BioNTech entered into a partnership with Pfizer to develop mRNA vaccines for influenza, although the large scale funding which drives vaccine projects was still nowhere to be seen.

That has all changed in 2020. With the Covid-19 pandemic requiring vaccine development on an unprecedented scale, mRNA vaccine approaches held a clear advantage over the more traditional but time consuming method of using a dead or inactivated form of the virus to create an immune response. In April, Moderna received $483 million (£360m) from the US Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority to fasttrack its Covid-19 vaccine program.

Karikó has been at the helm of BioNTech’s Covid-19 vaccine development. In 2013, she accepted an offer to become Senior Vice President at BioNTech after UPenn refused to reinstate her to the faculty position she had been demoted from in 1995. “They told me that they’d had a meeting and concluded that I was not of faculty quality,” she said. ”When I told them I was leaving, they laughed at me and said, ‘BioNTech doesn’t even have a website.’”

Now, BioNTech is a household name, following reports last month that the mRNA Covid-19 vaccine it has co-developed with Pfizer works with more than 95 per cent efficacy. Along with Moderna, it is set to supply billions of doses around the globe by the end of 2021.

For Karikó, seeing the results of BioNTech’s Phase III trial, simply brought a sense of quiet satisfaction. “I didn’t jump or scream,” she said. “I expected that it would be very effective.”

But after so many years of adversity, and struggling to convince people that her research was worthwhile, she is still trying to comprehend the fact that her breakthrough in mRNA technology could now change the lives of billions around the world, and help end the global pandemic.

“I always wanted to help people, to try and get something into the clinic,” she said. “That was the motivation for me, and I was always optimistic. But to help that many people, I never imagined that. It makes me very happy to know that I’ve played a part in this success story.”
 

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Covid is a mild disease for the vast majority of those who catch it and it definitely does not warrant all the disruption to our daily lives. It's a gross over reaction.

Wanna save lives? ban tobacco and booze.

https://ourworldindata.org/smoking : 8 million died from smoking in 2017.

Alcohol related deaths add another 3 million to the annual death toll.

So why do governments tolerate these vices. The answer is political just as the current mass vaccination against Covid is political. There are a lot of people with vested interests and are clipping the ticket along the way.
Sam in his juvenile mode again. These views are usually shared by teenagers, so I am going to talk to him like I would my teenager... :biggrin:

Dying from an abuse of tobacco or booze... or even gorging on unhealthy food or living sedentary lifestyles, for that matter,... are all a result of personal choices. COVID is a disease. It isn't a vice or choice, so therefore, there has to be protections put in place to safeguard the health of people. Because COVID is such an easily transmittable disease, if there aren't any regulations or safeguards, people can die or overwhelm hospitals, if they get sick, taking up space and resources meant for people with other urgent health conditions.

Vaccinations protect 95% and should one get COVID, the vaccine downgrades the disease to a mild form so one doesn't die or get seriously ill from it. Nothing political about that. Only in the small minds of some people like you who think they know a lot (but don't), think that way. Yes, sure there are vested interests involved... and all of them are based on the fact that people cannot be made to die or suffer adverse effects. Anything else makes no sense to begin with.
 

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How mRNA went from a scientific backwater to a pandemic crusher | WIRED UK​

David Cox 3h​

Getty Images / WIRED
In 1995, Katalin Karikó was at her lowest ebb. A biochemist at the University of Pennsylvania (UPenn), Karikó had dedicated much of the previous two decades to finding a way to turn one of the most fundamental building blocks of life, mRNA, into a whole new category of therapeutics.
More often than not, Karikó found herself hitting dead ends. Numerous grant applications were rejected, and an attempt to raise funding from venture capitalists in New York to form a spin-off company had proved to be a fruitless endeavour. ”They initially promised to give us money, but then they never returned my phone calls,” she says.
By the mid 1990s, Karikó’s bosses at UPenn had run out of patience. Frustrated with the lack of funding she was generating for her research, they offered the scientist a bleak choice: leave or be demoted. It was a demeaning prospect for someone who had once been on the path to a full professorship. For Karikó’s dreams of using mRNA to create new vaccines and drugs for many chronic illnesses, it seemed to be the end of the road.
Thirty four years earlier, the discovery of mRNA had been announced amidst a clamour of scientific excitement in the summer of 1961. For more than a decade, researchers in the US and Europe had been attempting to unravel exactly how DNA is involved in the creation of proteins – the long strings of amino acids that are vital to the growth and functioning of all life forms.
It transpired that mRNA was the answer. These molecules act like digital tape recorders, repeatedly copying instructions from DNA in the cell nucleus, and carrying them to protein-making structures called ribosomes. Without this key role, DNA would be nothing but a useless string of chemicals, and so some have dubbed mRNA the ‘software of life.’
At the time the nine scientists credited with discovering mRNA were purely interested in solving a basic biological mystery, but by the 1970s the scientific world had begun to wonder if it could exploit this cellular messaging system to turn our bodies into medicine-making factories.
Artificial mRNA, designed and created in a petri dish and then delivered to the cells of sick patients through tiny packages called nanoparticles, offered a way of instructing the body to heal itself. Research groups around the world began looking into whether mRNA could be used to create the vaccines of the future by delivering messages to cells, teaching them to create specific antibodies to fight off a viral infection. Others started investigating whether mRNA could help the immune system recognise and destroy cancerous tissue.
Karikó was first exposed to these ideas as an undergraduate student in 1976, during a lecture at the University of Szeged in her native Hungary. Intrigued, she began a PhD, studying how mRNA might be used to target viruses. While the concept of gene therapy was also beginning to take off at the same time, capturing the imagination of many scientists, she felt mRNA had the potential to help many more people.
“I always thought that the majority of patients don’t actually need new genes, they need something temporary like a drug, to cure their aches and pains,” she said. “So mRNA was always more interesting to me.”
At the time, the technology required to make such grand ambitions a reality did not yet exist. While scientists knew how to isolate mRNA from cells, creating artificial forms was not possible. But in 1984, the American biochemist Kary Mullis invented polymerase chain reaction (PCR), a method of amplifying very small amounts of DNA so it can be studied in detail. By 1989, other researchers had found a way to utilise PCR to generate mRNA from scratch, by amplifying DNA strands and using an enzyme called RNA polymerase to create mRNA molecules from these strands. “For scientists working on mRNA, this was very empowering,” said Karikó. “Suddenly we felt like we could do anything.”
With an mRNA boom taking place on the other side of the Atlantic, Karikó decided it was time to leave Hungary and head for the US. So in 1985, she accepted a job at Temple University and moved to Philadelphia along with her husband, two year old daughter, and a teddy bear with £900 sewn into it – the proceeds from the sale of their car on the black market.
It did not take long for the American dream to sour. After four years, she was forced to leave Temple University for neighbouring UPenn after a dispute with her boss, who then attempted to have her deported. There she began working on mRNA therapies which could be used to improve blood vessel transplants, by producing proteins to keep the newly transplanted vessels alive.
However, by the early to mid 1990s, some of the early excitement surrounding mRNA was beginning to fade. While scientists had cracked the problem of how to create their own mRNA, a new hurdle had emerged. When they injected it into animals it induced such a severe inflammatory response from the immune system that they died immediately. Any thoughts of human trials were impossible.
This was a serious problem, but one Karikó was determined to solve. She recalls spending one Christmas and New Year’s Eve conducting experiments and writing grant applications. But many other scientists were turning away from the field, and her bosses at UPenn felt mRNA had shown itself to be impractical and she was wasting her time. They issued an ultimatum, if she wanted to continue working with mRNA she would lose her prestigious faculty position, and face a substantial pay cut.
”It was particularly horrible as that same week, I had just been diagnosed with cancer,” said Karikó. “I was facing two operations, and my husband, who had gone back to Hungary to pick up his green card, had got stranded there because of some visa issue, meaning he couldn’t come back for six months. I was really struggling, and then they told me this.”
While undergoing surgery, Karikó assessed her options. She decided to stay, accept the humiliation of being demoted, and continue to doggedly pursue the problem. This led to a chance meeting which would both change the course of her career, and that of science.
In 1997, Drew Weissman, a respected immunologist, moved to UPenn. This was long before the days where scientific publications were available online, and so the only way for scientists to peruse the latest research was to photocopy it from journals. “I found myself fighting over a photocopy machine in the department with this scientist called Katalin Karikó,” he remembered. ”So we started talking, and comparing what each other did.”
While Karikó’s academic status at UPenn remained lowly, Weissman had the funding to finance her experiments, and the two began a partnership. “This gave me optimism, and kept me going,” she said. “My salary was lower than the technician who worked next to me, but Drew was supportive and that’s what I concentrated on, not the roadblocks I’d had to face.”
Karikó and Weissman realised that the key to creating a form of mRNA which could be administered safely, was to identify which of the underlying nucleosides – the letters of RNA’s genetic code – were provoking the immune system and replace them with something else. In the early 2000s, Karikó happened across a study which showed that one of these letters, Uridine, could trigger certain immune receptors. It was the crucial piece of information she had been searching for.
In 2005, Karikó and Weissman published a study announcing a specifically modified form of mRNA, which replaced Uridine with an analog – a molecule which looked the same, but did not induce an immune response. It was a clever biological trick, and one which worked. When mice were injected with this modified mRNA, they lived. “I just remember Drew saying, ’Oh my god, it’s not immunogenic,’” said Karikó. “We realised at that moment that this would be very important, and it could be used in vaccines and therapies. So we published a paper, filed a patent, established a company, and then found there was no interest. Nobody invited us anywhere to talk about it, nothing.”
Unbeknown to them, however, some scientists were paying attention. Derrick Rossi, then a postdoctoral researcher at Stanford University, read Karikó and Weissman’s paper and was immediately intrigued. In 2010, Rossi co-founded a biotech company called Moderna, with a group of Harvard and MIT professors, with the specific aim of using modified mRNA to create vaccines and therapeutics. A decade on, Moderna is now one of the leaders in the Covid-19 vaccine race and valued at approximately $35 billion (£26b), after reporting that its mRNA based vaccine showed 94 per cent efficacy in a Phase III clinical trial.
But it was not novel infectious disease vaccines which got the world interested in mRNA again. Around the same time, Rossi was establishing Moderna, Karikó and Weissman were also finally managing to commercialise their finding, licensing their technology to a small German company called BioNTech, after five years of trying and failing.
Both Moderna and BioNTech – which had been founded by a Turkish born entrepreneur called Ugur Sahin - had their eye on the lucrative fields of cancer immunotherapy, cardiovascular and metabolic diseases. Now that Karikó and Weissman’s discovery made it possible to safely administer mRNA to patients, some of the original goals for mRNA back in the 1970s, had become viable possibilities again.
Vaccines were also on the horizon. In 2017, Moderna began developing a potential Zika virus vaccine, while in 2018 BioNTech entered into a partnership with Pfizer to develop mRNA vaccines for influenza, although the large scale funding which drives vaccine projects was still nowhere to be seen.
That has all changed in 2020. With the Covid-19 pandemic requiring vaccine development on an unprecedented scale, mRNA vaccine approaches held a clear advantage over the more traditional but time consuming method of using a dead or inactivated form of the virus to create an immune response. In April, Moderna received $483 million (£360m) from the US Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority to fasttrack its Covid-19 vaccine program.
Karikó has been at the helm of BioNTech’s Covid-19 vaccine development. In 2013, she accepted an offer to become Senior Vice President at BioNTech after UPenn refused to reinstate her to the faculty position she had been demoted from in 1995. “They told me that they’d had a meeting and concluded that I was not of faculty quality,” she said. ”When I told them I was leaving, they laughed at me and said, ‘BioNTech doesn’t even have a website.’”
Now, BioNTech is a household name, following reports last month that the mRNA Covid-19 vaccine it has co-developed with Pfizer works with more than 95 per cent efficacy. Along with Moderna, it is set to supply billions of doses around the globe by the end of 2021.
For Karikó, seeing the results of BioNTech’s Phase III trial, simply brought a sense of quiet satisfaction. “I didn’t jump or scream,” she said. “I expected that it would be very effective.”
But after so many years of adversity, and struggling to convince people that her research was worthwhile, she is still trying to comprehend the fact that her breakthrough in mRNA technology could now change the lives of billions around the world, and help end the global pandemic.
“I always wanted to help people, to try and get something into the clinic,” she said. “That was the motivation for me, and I was always optimistic. But to help that many people, I never imagined that. It makes me very happy to know that I’ve played a part in this success story.”
So? What's your point of posting such a pointless long article? :roflmao:
 

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Sam in his juvenile mode again. These views are usually shared by teenagers, so I am going to talk to him like I would my teenager... :biggrin:

Dying from an abuse of tobacco or booze... or even gorging on unhealthy food or living sedentary lifestyles, for that matter,... are all a result of personal choices. COVID is a disease. It isn't a vice or choice, so therefore, there has to be protections put in place to safeguard the health of people. Because COVID is such an easily transmittable disease, if there aren't any regulations or safeguards, people can die or overwhelm hospitals, if they get sick, taking up space and resources meant for people with other urgent health conditions.

Vaccinations protect 95% and should one get COVID, the vaccine downgrades the disease to a mild form so one doesn't die or get seriously ill from it. Nothing political about that. Only in the small minds of some people like you who think they know a lot (but don't), think that way. Yes, sure there are vested interests involved... and all of them are based on the fact that people cannot be made to die or suffer adverse effects. Anything else makes no sense to begin with.

Flu overwhelms hospitals too but we don't lock down because of flu. Nobody is saying that Covid cannot be fatal but the reaction to the risk will cause more deaths than Covid itself.

If you base your arguments on "personal choice" then we might as well stop the war on drugs and stop hanging drug mules because I'm sure their families are devastated. Drugs are a personal choice and if some idiot is dumb enough to shoot him/herself with heroin on a daily basis that's their problem.
 

eatshitndie

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Sorry. Didn't know that.
i've named the entire chain of post-doc heavyweights (and their respective institutions of research and higher learning) that are connected to the therapeutic use of mrna for medicine - the schools are stanford, harvard, mit, and upenn in particular. but only 2 of them will be co-awarded the nobel prize.
 

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Flu overwhelms hospitals too but we don't lock down because of flu. Nobody is saying that Covid cannot be fatal but the reaction to the risk will cause more deaths than Covid itself.

If you base your arguments on "personal choice" then we might as well stop the war on drugs and stop hanging drug mules because I'm sure their families are devastated. Drugs are a personal choice and if some idiot is dumb enough to shoot him/herself with heroin on a daily basis that's their problem.
Data will show COVID to be more deadly than the seasonal flu. Long term effects are still pretty unknown...

Drugs are more dangerous and cause more social problems than tobacco and alcohol. There are already some controls and educational materials out there to warn against tobacco and alcohol abuse. I am sure that once they get out of control like hard-core drugs, they will be outlawed.
 

eatshitndie

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I also remember you bought into moderna early.

Did you take profit?
nope, i still retain all my mrna stocks. bought them at $23. eventually, established healthcare will use the platform for stem cell, immunotherapy, oncology, anti-aging, cosmetics, etc. coupled with the crsp platform, kim kardashian kan kontinue to koerce knuckleheads to krave her knockers and karchng until kows kum kalling.
 
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ChanRasjid

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Sam in his juvenile mode again. These views are usually shared by teenagers, so I am going to talk to him like I would my teenager... :biggrin:

Dying from an abuse of tobacco or booze... or even gorging on unhealthy food or living sedentary lifestyles, for that matter,... are all a result of personal choices. COVID is a disease. It isn't a vice or choice, so therefore, there has to be protections put in place to safeguard the health of people. Because COVID is such an easily transmittable disease, if there aren't any regulations or safeguards, people can die or overwhelm hospitals, if they get sick, taking up space and resources meant for people with other urgent health conditions.

Vaccinations protect 95% and should one get COVID, the vaccine downgrades the disease to a mild form so one doesn't die or get seriously ill from it. Nothing political about that. Only in the small minds of some people like you who think they know a lot (but don't), think that way. Yes, sure there are vested interests involved... and all of them are based on the fact that people cannot be made to die or suffer adverse effects. Anything else makes no sense to begin with.
Your one single sentence "Vaccinations protect 95% and should one get COVID, the vaccine downgrades the disease to a mild form so one doesn't die or get seriously ill from it" packs hell-of-a-lot of claims. I wonder from which peer-reviewed article you extracted such amount of wisdom?

1) Vaccinations protect 95%? Easy to banter around a figure "95%". Who in the world knows? Before the first shot of covid vaccines, people died of covid-19; currently after 2/3 billion doses, people still die from covid-19. So what's the difference that you wish to draw to our attention?
2) "...the vaccine downgrades the disease to a mild form..." how do you measure seriousness and mildness? With the Richter scale? What covid-meter did you used? Or from the data of the vaccine manufacturers. Have you ever heard of the phrase "vested interest"?

Chan Rasjid.
 
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