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People keep saying wayang but there was fight for our local workers

MaxRiley

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I was reading online and saw this super backdated article. People keep saying nothing was done to support our local workers but this article is self explanatory.


NTUC, employers tussle over foreign workers issue


https://sg.news.yahoo.com/ntuc--employers-tussle-over-foreign-workers-issue.html

The labour movement and Singapore's main employer group are divided over the need for new measures to curb the hiring of foreign workers.

In a rare show of public dispute, the Singapore National Employers Federation (SNEF) issued a statement arguing against the National Trades Union Congress' (NTUC) position on Friday.

The NTUC called for more measures to reduce employers' reliance on foreign workers because these workers suppressed locals' wages and could lead to companies dominated by these employees, reported The Straits Times.

Shortly after, however, the SNEF issued a response, arguing that more measures to control hiring of the workers will add to costs and make businesses less competitive.

The group instead wanted employers to intensify efforts to hire and groom Singaporeans and to undertake more measures targeted at providing re-training and better job matching, reported the paper.

The NTUC, which called for nurturing a Singaporean core of employees at all levels, is considering changes to two government schemes.

The first is to introduce quotas on foreign professionals on Q1-type passes, the lowest of Employment Pass for foreigners earning at least $2,800 monthly, unless employers effectively find ways to attract, retain and nurture Singaporean workers.

The other consideration is for a tiered S Pass scheme with higher qualifying salaries.

SNEF, which represents 17 business groups, criticised the ideas saying it would make the labour market more rigid for employers.

It also noted that measures to raise foreign worker levies and reduce quotas were already introduced last year.

Pointing out that Singapore may lose out on growth opportunities over the long term, SNEF further argued that foreigners take up jobs local shun.

The statements were issued after a tripartite panel gave an update on the feedback received for proposed guidelines on fair employment practices.

The Tripartite Alliance for Fair Employment Practices (TAFEP) said it would consider reasonable and practical ideas for guidelines, which aim to put Singapore's first in jobs, education and housing. It is to be ready by the end of the year.
 

Spock

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Wayang in 2011 after worst election results?

Close the stable door after the horse has bolted?
 

virus

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SNEF not toeing orh faece line. time to fix them....

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dodgeball

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Interesting. The labour market is so tight now that SMEs face challenges in hiring foreign workers, esp in the F&B sector. To attract more Singaporeans, perhaps companies need to re-look at improving the jobs for locals. Not just the pay but provide career advancements, train them etc. Make jobs, good jobs.
 

da dick

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Interesting. The labour market is so tight now that SMEs face challenges in hiring foreign workers, esp in the F&B sector. To attract more Singaporeans, perhaps companies need to re-look at improving the jobs for locals. Not just the pay but provide career advancements, train them etc. Make jobs, good jobs.

suddenly IBs flooding SBF again.

you must be new IBs or wat.here you want to IB, CAN! but must play protection money to leong sammie, otherwise confirm zap to death soon!
 

laksaboy

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suddenly IBs flooding SBF again.

you must be new IBs or wat.here you want to IB, CAN! but must play protection money to leong sammie, otherwise confirm zap to death soon!

Probably some dogs under Lim Swee Say's charge. Constantly crowing about how wonderful and thoughtful NTUC and its subsidiaries are, how awesome the Progressive Wage (TM) is. :rolleyes:

You notice they almost never operate on weekends. Of course, it's a 5-day job for them. :wink:
 

winnipegjets

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I was reading online and saw this super backdated article. People keep saying nothing was done to support our local workers but this article is self explanatory.


NTUC, employers tussle over foreign workers issue


https://sg.news.yahoo.com/ntuc--employers-tussle-over-foreign-workers-issue.html

The labour movement and Singapore's main employer group are divided over the need for new measures to curb the hiring of foreign workers.

In a rare show of public dispute, the Singapore National Employers Federation (SNEF) issued a statement arguing against the National Trades Union Congress' (NTUC) position on Friday.

The NTUC called for more measures to reduce employers' reliance on foreign workers because these workers suppressed locals' wages and could lead to companies dominated by these employees, reported The Straits Times.

Shortly after, however, the SNEF issued a response, arguing that more measures to control hiring of the workers will add to costs and make businesses less competitive.

The group instead wanted employers to intensify efforts to hire and groom Singaporeans and to undertake more measures targeted at providing re-training and better job matching, reported the paper.

The NTUC, which called for nurturing a Singaporean core of employees at all levels, is considering changes to two government schemes.

The first is to introduce quotas on foreign professionals on Q1-type passes, the lowest of Employment Pass for foreigners earning at least $2,800 monthly, unless employers effectively find ways to attract, retain and nurture Singaporean workers.

The other consideration is for a tiered S Pass scheme with higher qualifying salaries.

SNEF, which represents 17 business groups, criticised the ideas saying it would make the labour market more rigid for employers.

It also noted that measures to raise foreign worker levies and reduce quotas were already introduced last year.

Pointing out that Singapore may lose out on growth opportunities over the long term, SNEF further argued that foreigners take up jobs local shun.

The statements were issued after a tripartite panel gave an update on the feedback received for proposed guidelines on fair employment practices.

The Tripartite Alliance for Fair Employment Practices (TAFEP) said it would consider reasonable and practical ideas for guidelines, which aim to put Singapore's first in jobs, education and housing. It is to be ready by the end of the year.

It is just wayang. A true union would have led demonstrations and organize strikes to stop the flood of foreigners.
 

palden

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Only wayang party is wayanging.

I was reading online and saw this super backdated article. People keep saying nothing was done to support our local workers but this article is self explanatory.


NTUC, employers tussle over foreign workers issue


https://sg.news.yahoo.com/ntuc--employers-tussle-over-foreign-workers-issue.html

The labour movement and Singapore's main employer group are divided over the need for new measures to curb the hiring of foreign workers.

In a rare show of public dispute, the Singapore National Employers Federation (SNEF) issued a statement arguing against the National Trades Union Congress' (NTUC) position on Friday.

The NTUC called for more measures to reduce employers' reliance on foreign workers because these workers suppressed locals' wages and could lead to companies dominated by these employees, reported The Straits Times.

Shortly after, however, the SNEF issued a response, arguing that more measures to control hiring of the workers will add to costs and make businesses less competitive.

The group instead wanted employers to intensify efforts to hire and groom Singaporeans and to undertake more measures targeted at providing re-training and better job matching, reported the paper.

The NTUC, which called for nurturing a Singaporean core of employees at all levels, is considering changes to two government schemes.

The first is to introduce quotas on foreign professionals on Q1-type passes, the lowest of Employment Pass for foreigners earning at least $2,800 monthly, unless employers effectively find ways to attract, retain and nurture Singaporean workers.

The other consideration is for a tiered S Pass scheme with higher qualifying salaries.

SNEF, which represents 17 business groups, criticised the ideas saying it would make the labour market more rigid for employers.

It also noted that measures to raise foreign worker levies and reduce quotas were already introduced last year.

Pointing out that Singapore may lose out on growth opportunities over the long term, SNEF further argued that foreigners take up jobs local shun.

The statements were issued after a tripartite panel gave an update on the feedback received for proposed guidelines on fair employment practices.

The Tripartite Alliance for Fair Employment Practices (TAFEP) said it would consider reasonable and practical ideas for guidelines, which aim to put Singapore's first in jobs, education and housing. It is to be ready by the end of the year.
 

frenchbriefs

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i cant tell which group is more full of shit NTUC or SNEF.......SNEF claims the new schemes will worsen a already tight labour market....in a country that has already prostituted itself to over 2 million fuckers.
 

MaxRiley

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i cant tell which group is more full of shit NTUC or SNEF.......SNEF claims the new schemes will worsen a already tight labour market....in a country that has already prostituted itself to over 2 million fuckers.

so wouldn't the new scheme be helping locals then?
 

congo9

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They are job which local will definitely shun. Either it too hard to bear and dirty.

S Pass and EP must be curb so that Singaporean will take up the job
 

McDonaldsKid

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NTUC said this in 2011.

It's been 3 years, and I believe -might be wrong here - there's still no quota on Q passes and the S Pass system is still not tiered.

I also know how to talk only.
 

Papsmearer

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Interesting. The labour market is so tight now that SMEs face challenges in hiring foreign workers, esp in the F&B sector. To attract more Singaporeans, perhaps companies need to re-look at improving the jobs for locals. Not just the pay but provide career advancements, train them etc. Make jobs, good jobs.

What kind of fuck logic is this? Just leave the maids and send the rest of the 2 million FTs back to where they came from, and I can guarantee you locals will have more jobs than they know what to do with.
 

Papsmearer

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They are job which local will definitely shun. Either it too hard to bear and dirty.

S Pass and EP must be curb so that Singaporean will take up the job

Its not a question of hard and dirty. Its a question of pay. People in the western countries happy to do jobs like construction, garbage man, etc. because the pay in these jobs are good. If you pay a garbage man $900 a month, of course no sinkie will take it. If the pay is $4000 a month, there will be a line up of sinkies to take it, no matter how dirty it is.
 

McDonaldsKid

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Seriously, talk of career advancement and work-life balance is redundant if pay is so fucking low.

Imagine if you join an SME and the boss tells you within 5 years he will make you a Director and let you work from 9am-5pm on a five day week but pay you $1,000 a month would you join?

Maslow's hierarchy of needs comes to mind. Settle the foundations first, please.
 

Papsmearer

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I was reading online and saw this super backdated article. People keep saying nothing was done to support our local workers but this article is self explanatory.


NTUC, employers tussle over foreign workers issue



The labour movement and Singapore's main employer group are divided over the need for new measures to curb the hiring of foreign workers.

In a rare show of public dispute, the Singapore National Employers Federation (SNEF) issued a statement arguing against the National Trades Union Congress' (NTUC) position on Friday.

The NTUC called for more measures to reduce employers' reliance on foreign workers because these workers suppressed locals' wages and could lead to companies dominated by these employees, reported The Straits Times.

Shortly after, however, the SNEF issued a response, arguing that more measures to control hiring of the workers will add to costs and make businesses less competitive.

The group instead wanted employers to intensify efforts to hire and groom Singaporeans and to undertake more measures targeted at providing re-training and better job matching, reported the paper.

The NTUC, which called for nurturing a Singaporean core of employees at all levels, is considering changes to two government schemes.

The first is to introduce quotas on foreign professionals on Q1-type passes, the lowest of Employment Pass for foreigners earning at least $2,800 monthly, unless employers effectively find ways to attract, retain and nurture Singaporean workers.

The other consideration is for a tiered S Pass scheme with higher qualifying salaries.

SNEF, which represents 17 business groups, criticised the ideas saying it would make the labour market more rigid for employers.

It also noted that measures to raise foreign worker levies and reduce quotas were already introduced last year.

Pointing out that Singapore may lose out on growth opportunities over the long term, SNEF further argued that foreigners take up jobs local shun.

The statements were issued after a tripartite panel gave an update on the feedback received for proposed guidelines on fair employment practices.

The Tripartite Alliance for Fair Employment Practices (TAFEP) said it would consider reasonable and practical ideas for guidelines, which aim to put Singapore's first in jobs, education and housing. It is to be ready by the end of the year.

I can tell shit is oozing from your brain. If there really was a fight for the singapore workers, they would be fighting to kick out all FTs instead of having a debate about how many FTs to let in. They would also be a hire singaporean first policy instead of all this bullshit. We can all see u are a PAP ballslicker.
 

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Its not a question of hard and dirty. Its a question of pay. People in the western countries happy to do jobs like construction, garbage man, etc. because the pay in these jobs are good. If you pay a garbage man $900 a month, of course no sinkie will take it. If the pay is $4000 a month, there will be a line up of sinkies to take it, no matter how dirty it is.

But we pay 900 a month and there are still plenty of takers from the third world. Same logic as the PMETs. Why pay more? Do you know that as a business owner i draw no salary? That i work for free? If my business folds, who is going to take pity on me?
 
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