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Pay for goods over MRT fare gate and get fined $2,000

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http://newpaper.asia1.com.sg/news/story/0,4136,193975,00.html?

Pay for goods over MRT fare gate and get fined $2,000
By Vivien Chan

February 26, 2009

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BE CAREFUL: Paying for goods over fare gates like this could get you into trouble. ST FILE PICTURE

YOU put something up for sale on an auction website. You arrange to meet the buyer at an MRT station.

One of you is inside the fare gate, and the other is outside.

For convenience, you pass the item over the fare gate to the buyer, and he passes you the money.

Do you know that you can be fined up to $2,000 for doing that?

The New Paper found out that under SMRT regulations, it is an offence to conduct a business transaction over a fare gate.

Earlier this month, Rediffusion deejay Gan Yeok Thiam wrote about this issue in the forum page of a newspaper.

On 18 Jan this year, the 43-year-old was waiting for a friend at the Tampines MRT station when he saw a middle-aged man pass some pastries over the fare gate to some people on the other side.

'The man was carrying a basket with some Chinese New Year pastries inside,' Mr Gan told to The New Paper.

'Some people were buying the pastries from him, and they had planned to meet there.'

Mr Gan said the man was inside the paid area of the MRT station, while the buyers were on the other side.

He saw the man hand over a box of pastries to a buyer who then paid him.

At this point, two SMRT employees approached the man. Mr Gan said he overheard them telling the man that he was not allowed to sell items over the fare gate.

So the man tapped his ez-link card and went out into the station's unpaid area.

There, he continued his dealing with his buyers.

Again, another two SMRT employees approached him, Mr Gan claimed.

'They looked like they were going to chase him away, so he quickly finished what he was doing and went back into the (paid area of the) MRT station.'

Curious, Mr Gan approached the man to find out more. The man told him he had done transactions over the fare gate before, but that was the first time he had been warned by SMRT staff.

When contacted, an SMRT spokesman confirmed it is indeed against their regulations to conduct business transactions over the fare gate.

The spokesman said the maximum penalty for such an offence is a $2,000 fine.

When asked if transactions are allowed if both parties are in the paid area, or the unpaid area, a spokesman for the Land Transport Authority (LTA) said: 'Other factors such as the effect of business or trade on passenger flow, safety and security considerations are taken into consideration.'

So far, no one has been fined as most commuters heed the advice given by the SMRT staff.

Is this necessary?

So why is there a need for such a rule?

The LTA spokesman said: 'The purpose of the rapid transit system is to transport passengers.

'Hence, the regulation discourages the carrying of goods or articles for the purpose of trade or business, unless the article or good is taken by a person through the fare gate.'

But Mr Gan feels the rule is too stringent.

'It's not as if the man was soliciting for buyers at the station,' he pointed out.

'We're living in difficult times now. Shouldn't we be more compassionate towards people who are just trying hard to make a simple living?'

Do commuters know about the rule?

Of the 16 whom The New Paper spoke to, 11 did not know about the rule, while 12 of the 16 were not bothered about it.

But Mr Ragendran, 26, an operations leader, supported the rule, saying that it's reasonable, as 'it will inconvenience others if such transactions are carried out'.

Additional reporting by Darren Foong and Han Su-Ying, newsroom interns
 

Lestat

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But Mr Ragendran, 26, an operations leader, supported the rule, saying that it's reasonable, as 'it will inconvenience others if such transactions are carried out'.

How will it inconvenience others when you are not even blocking the main gate? :confused::confused:

I am not aware of this rule. Even if there is, I personally find it very ridiculous. :mad:
 

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I am also not aware of this rule but not surprised that some scholar has thought about it. :rolleyes:

It would cost them lost revenue$$$ if people did this. You could distribute portable goods through the MRT system using a system of MRT runners.

I also notice that there is a time limit one can stay at a station. Probably to deter overstayers :biggrin:
 

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I am also not aware of this rule but not surprised that some scholar has thought about it. :rolleyes:

It would cost them lost revenue$$$ if people did this. You could distribute portable goods through the MRT system using a system of MRT runners.

I also notice that there is a time limit one can stay at a station. Probably to deter overstayers :biggrin:


It's a stupid rule but i guess there must be a reason for it. In any case transactions should be done well away from these places.

I have bought things from other ppl at mrt stations before but of course not at the gantry but at the control station.
 

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Asshole here in this forum, claim to know so much, seem to know nuts This kind of ruling is prevent people from carry lots of goods to enter the train and do transaction at the other end station. That is to prevent people from using the train to transport good. It may not many in Sinkiepore, but in China and Japan there are people doing it. :oIo:
 

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It's a stupid rule but i guess there must be a reason for it. In any case transactions should be done well away from these places.

I have bought things from other ppl at mrt stations before but of course not at the gantry but at the control station.


Actually I think its ok to do their business as long as they don't obstruct other passengers. SMRT has been getting their regular fare hikes, so no symapthy or support from me

These gov't/GLCs are getting too greedy & making $$$ from us.
 

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Asshole here in this forum, claim to know so much, seem to know nuts This kind of ruling is prevent people from carry lots of goods to enter the train and do transaction at the other end station. That is to prevent people from using the train to transport good. It may not many in Sinkiepore, but in China and Japan there are people doing it. :oIo:

Really? If I carry lots of bulky goods, can I walk through the fare gate?

Go read the SMRT spokesman's reply again
 

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Interesting rule.. I wonder if Changi Airport also has similar rules? :confused:

When asked if transactions are allowed if both parties are in the paid area, or the unpaid area, a spokesman for the Land Transport Authority (LTA) said: 'Other factors such as the effect of business or trade on passenger flow, safety and security considerations are taken into consideration.'
 

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Sounds like gangsters collecting protection money. Why are the Papaya dogs CCB until like this? Aren't they not afraid of lightning strike?
 

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I have brought this ridiculous rule in my previous topic but someone told me that was in Taiwan and not in Singapore.

How to nurture entrepeneur and allow jobless people to make a living by imposing fines and restrictions everywhere. Are we supposed to declare the value of goods and pay for GST too? like those praticed at the customs.

Singaporean have had enough of being threatened by the govt with fines, imprisonment, laws and censorship. Can't we even have that little pin hole in this island to breath easy instead of strangling us with all the restrictions here and there.

Is is getting unbearbale living in Singapore.
 

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I've seen china nationals using public transport as a cheap means of transportation for house moving purposes. The long march right here in Singapore.

Asshole here in this forum, claim to know so much, seem to know nuts This kind of ruling is prevent people from carry lots of goods to enter the train and do transaction at the other end station. That is to prevent people from using the train to transport good. It may not many in Sinkiepore, but in China and Japan there are people doing it. :oIo:
 

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Rapid Transit System Regulations

Hawking, begging, touting, etc., prohibited
21. No person, while in or upon the railway premises shall, without the written permission of the Authority or its licensee —

(a) tout or solicit alms, rewards or employment of any description;
(b) sell or offer for sale any article or goods, or carry on any business; or
(c) display, exhibit or distribute any book or printed, written or pictorial matter or any such samples for the purpose of advertising or publicity.

31(2) No person shall for the purpose of any trade or business transfer any article or goods between the paid area and unpaid area unless the article or goods is taken by a person through a ticket gate.

The parts in red were only added via amendment in 2004.

Then again, if they really meant to enforce such rules, many people would have already run afoul of this daily:

Loitering prohibited
18. No person, not being a passenger or having business in or in connection with the Authority or its licensee or its tenant, shall loiter or remain in or upon any part of the railway premises.
 

makapaaa

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>>>The LTA spokesman said: 'The purpose of the rapid transit system is to transport passengers.

'Hence, the regulation discourages the carrying of goods or articles for the purpose of trade or business, unless the article or good is taken by a person through the fare gate.'<<<

Then why allow AssMRT to set up shops in MRT stations. In many cases, walking space becomes so limited that passengers risk being trampled on during peak hours?
 

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But Mr Ragendran, 26, an operations leader, supported the rule, saying that it's reasonable, as 'it will inconvenience others if such transactions are carried out'.

This fucking pundek Ragendran must have been enjoying blowing LEE KUAN YEW and his family dickhead at young age

This fucking pundek trying to please fucking govt-MRT robbery rule.

Fuck LEE KUAN YEW, may you died horribly soon.

Every daily life movement sure must have penalty go along with it.:mad:

Fucking bastard - LEE KUAN YEW.........................:mad::mad::mad::mad:
 

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This small problem also want to make it big mews. As long they/those make transaction didn't block the gate is OK. If SMRT really want to prevent such activities just bulid the wall/glass panel around the station.
 

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I have offended these people many times then. I used to meet a despatch clerk at an MRT station so as to pass him documents and pay him for his services over the barriers between the paid and unpaid spaces.

A common problem in Singapore is that whenever someone finds an innovative way to use an existing system, the powers that be who did not think of it get very upset and act on it.

Rapid Transit System Regulations

Hawking, begging, touting, etc., prohibited
21. No person, while in or upon the railway premises shall, without the written permission of the Authority or its licensee —

(a) tout or solicit alms, rewards or employment of any description;
(b) sell or offer for sale any article or goods, or carry on any business; or
(c) display, exhibit or distribute any book or printed, written or pictorial matter or any such samples for the purpose of advertising or publicity.

31(2) No person shall for the purpose of any trade or business transfer any article or goods between the paid area and unpaid area unless the article or goods is taken by a person through a ticket gate.

The parts in red were only added via amendment in 2004.

Then again, if they really meant to enforce such rules, many people would have already run afoul of this daily:

Loitering prohibited
18. No person, not being a passenger or having business in or in connection with the Authority or its licensee or its tenant, shall loiter or remain in or upon any part of the railway premises.
 

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Really? If I carry lots of bulky goods, can I walk through the fare gate?

Go read the SMRT spokesman's reply again Quote by asshole Ah Guan

Asshole you are blind are.... cannot use the fare gate for handicapped har!....unless you have big ass, than I can't said to you....[/B]
 
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