Pastor Hong's balls shrink, says "Sorry"

makapaaa · May 2, 2009

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SENIOR Pastor Derek Hong of the Church of Our Saviour has said that he regrets using the pulpit to mobilise support for one camp in the ongoing dispute over leadership of the Association of Women for Action and Research (Aware).

'I regret that this matter has caused concern and unhappiness. My actions on the pulpit have aroused some tension in this saga. I now stand corrected,' he said in a statement last night.
He also said he would be more sensitive to similar situations in future.
His statement comes a day after the National Council of Churches of Singapore (NCCS) issued a statement to say it does not condone churches getting involved in the matter, or pulpits being used for that purpose.
The statement was issued by NCCS president, Archbishop Dr John Chew, who heads the Anglican church here. Pastor Hong's church is in his diocese.
Yesterday, Pastor Hong said he agreed with Dr Chew that the pulpit should not have been used in the Aware saga.
The leadership tussle at women's advocacy group Aware took a religious turn two weeks ago when it emerged that six new committee members attend the Church of Our Saviour in Margaret Drive.
It also emerged that they were against what they saw as the former leadership's promotion of lesbianism and homosexuality.
In a sermon, Pastor Hong urged the women in his flock to 'be engaged' and support new Aware president Josie Lau and 'her sisters' at the group.
He had said: 'It's not a crusade against the people but there's a line that God has drawn for us, and we don't want our nation crossing that line.'
In an earlier statement on Thursday, Pastor Hong denied that his church was behind the move to take over Aware. He also said the church would not allow its pulpit 'to be used to intentionally teach anything that would arouse social tensions, divisions and unrest'.
That statement also reiterated his church's stand against homosexuality.
In a related development last night, Deputy Prime Minister Wong Kan Seng said he welcomed the statement by the NCCS's Dr John Chew.
That statement 'will help prevent any misunderstanding that the churches are backing one side in the Aware dispute, or that this is a dispute between Christians and other Singaporeans', he said. (See quote.)
Other religious leaders also supported the NCCS statement.
The Venerable Sik Kwang Sheng, president of the Singapore Buddhist Federation, said he backed Dr Chew's stand that 'religious groups as institutions should not get involved in civil society groups, and the pulpit should not be used to further socio-political causes'.
'The Aware incident serves as a reminder to all Singaporeans that cultivating open-mindedness towards others' views and beliefs is significant in fostering social harmony and cohesiveness,' he added.
Said Mr Ling Kin Huat, vice-chairman of the Taoist Federation: 'Racial and religious harmony is our foremost concern, and we support Dr Chew's stand that religion should not be dragged into this matter.'
Veteran mosque leader Rahmat Sulaiman agreed, saying: 'Religion should not be brought into the matters of secular civil society organisations like Aware. 'If this dispute goes on, our social fabric will be affected.'
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makapaaa · May 2, 2009

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RELIGIOUS leaders Insight spoke to largely oppose the takeover of Aware because they feel a group of individuals motivated by their religious beliefs should not seek control of secular civil society organisations.
Their concern is that the episode may lead to conflicts between people who hold different beliefs, an outcome that is undesirable for a multi-religious society like Singapore.
They also oppose the clandestine manner in which the takeover was planned, when dialogue was an option.
'There would have been more value if Josie and her friends had engaged Aware in a debate or joined as members to express their views,' said Ms Angie Monksfield, president of the Buddhist Fellowship.
She was referring to Ms Josie Lau, who became Aware president on April 15.
Mr Rustom Ghadiali, president of the Inter-Religious Organisation (IRO), shares her view. He does not see why both sides could not have talked it over, and is 'a little uncomfortable' at the turn of events.
'Aware has a secular role to play, not a religious one,' said Mr Ghadiali, who heads the Parsi Zoroastrian Association.
He notes that religious groups already do a lot of good for society, beyond their own community.
'This is the real strength of our religions in Singapore,' said Mr Ghadiali.
Likewise, Venerable Seck Kwang Phing, secretary-general of the Singapore Buddhist Federation, feels that religious groups should not get involved in secular organisations like Aware.
'A secular organisation should be objective about everything, free from preoccupation or prejudice,' he told Insight.
While he acknowledges that there are many ethical and moral positions held across different religions that are accepted by all, he says others should not be forced to adopt a particular group's beliefs.
'Religious leaders should not treat non-religious civil society groups as one of their branches,' he said.
'This might induce others to do likewise, and a 'fight' may start.'
The leaders say this precept should be kept in mind on divisive wedge issues like homosexuality, which Aware's new leaders say the old guard has condoned.
'No religious groups should have the right to impose upon others,' said Ms Monksfield, who feels mutual respect is important.
'People are usually guided by their religious beliefs on controversial issues. However, we must exercise discretion and wisdom instead of blind faith when addressing issues which affect the lives of others,' she added.
Muslim leader Ustaz Haniff Hassan feels religious organisations should keep to a certain code of conduct for involvement in public matters.
These include using peaceful means, respecting democratic principles, keeping to prevailing laws, being sensitive to others and their rights and observing each religion's principles.
Should the peace be disrupted, Singapore has a number of laws in place to address the matter, he added.
Said Mr Nizam Ismail, chairman of the Association of Muslim Professionals' youth wing: 'Given that Singapore is a secular, multicultural and multi-religious society, groups must be mindful to not affect the delicate social fabric when pursuing any agenda which may have religious underpinnings.'

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'Aware has a secular role to play, not a religious one.'
Mr Rustom Ghadiali, president of the Inter-Religious Organisation
'Groups must be mindful to not affect the delicate social fabric when pursuing any agenda which may have religious underpinnings.'

Mr Nizam Ismail, chairman of the Association of Muslim Professionals' youth wing
'There would have been more value if Josie and her friends had engaged Aware in a debate or joined as members to express their views.'

Ms Angie Monksfield, president of the Buddhist Fellowship

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makapaaa · May 2, 2009

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Cornerstone Church staying out of dispute

IT MAY disagree with Aware's old guard, but the Cornerstone Community Church in Katong is keeping its distance from the ongoing fracas.
The head of the church, Senior Pastor Yang Tuck Yoong (above), told Insight he has no intention of mobilising his congregation to support the new Aware exco.
In fact, he voiced discomfort with what he saw as the politicking going on.
'I don't encourage politicking. So we will not mobilise people to go and vote (in the extraordinary general meeting being held today),' he said.
Explaining his aversion to politicking, he said it led inevitably to a need for people to compromise on their positions.
'Eventually in politics, you have to compromise. Somewhere you have to compromise. I don't like to compromise,' he said.
The new guard should have started an organisation of their own, and used that as a platform to speak, he said.
He argued that the messy fight going on within Aware is unlikely to change the old guard's views on sexuality, which are more tolerant of homosexuality than the new guard's.
'A different approach would have been better,' he said.
In any case, he did not see the tussle for Aware's leadership as a fight worth fighting. The issue was 'not a national one', in his view.
Aware's membership numbered only about 200 before the saga broke out and it was 'perhaps not representative of Singapore women', he felt.
The pastor stressed, however, that despite his decision to stay out of the Aware tussle, he would not sit back if it was a 'more serious matter'.
'If I see something that will or can affect future generations, if a government policy goes in a direction that can have a detrimental effect on our society, I think it's important for me as a concerned citizen, perhaps as a pastor too, to stand up and say this is not right.'
The 3,000-strong church has a history of making its stand known on controversial national issues.
Twice, it has made clear its objections to homosexuality.
In 2003, when the Government changed its hiring policy to employ openly homosexual people, even in sensitive jobs, the church was part of a group of Christians who mounted an e-mail campaign to express concern over this.
In 2007, it voiced opposition to suggestions that laws criminalising gay sex should be repealed.
Cornerstone is also home to one of the players at the heart of the Aware fight, Mrs Claire Nazar. She was elected unopposed as Aware president at the annual general meeting on March 28, only to quit 11 days later.
Pastor Yang said he knew Mrs Nazar, and knew that she also held strong views against homosexuality. But he said she likely did not agree with the tactics being used by the current exco members. 'Claire wants to win over more by consensus, by having discussions. I think her methods were a bit different from the new exco's.'

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JohnTT · May 2, 2009

Everyone is 'washing their hands' now.........

newyorker88 · May 2, 2009

JohnTT said:
Everyone is 'washing their hands' now..

Hahahhahaha.

Typical of sinkees, when the going gets rough, they back out. No back bones.

chewed · May 2, 2009

NY'er

he got no choice cos he got busted for lying.....

tomorrow's service will be interesting. Any decent fella will question him on why he lied on national media.

bluewolf · May 2, 2009

Someone should start a petition to ask John Chew which is the Anglican Archbishop for the province of south east asia to expel COOS from the Anglican Communion and to excommunicate Pastor Hong along with Feminist Mentor along with all her pussies for bringing disrepute to the Church.

The RealTuaKee · May 2, 2009

newyorker88 said:
Hahahhahaha.

Typical of sinkees, when the going gets rough, they back out. No back bones.

Hello...very dangerous to speak from pulpit to propagate motives.

The last time a chap called Urban II spoke from the pulpit in 1095, he started the First Crusade.

Lots of bloodshed one u know. This Pastor Hong better keep his cock quiet.

Lee Hsien Tau · May 2, 2009

The RealTuaKee said:
Hello...very dangerous to speak from pulpit to propagate motives.

The last time a chap called Urban II spoke from the pulpit in 1095, he started the First Crusade.

Lots of bloodshed one u know. This Pastor Hong better keep his cock quiet.

Pastor Hong should go back to basics. Talk about things like women have slits and men have dicks etc.

Or some Muslim slime will conduct takeover of AWARE, and promote Halal sex.

KKC007 · May 2, 2009

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SENIOR Pastor Derek Hong of the Church of Our Saviour has said that he regrets using the pulpit to mobilise support for one camp in the ongoing dispute over leadership of the Association of Women for Action and Research (Aware).

'I regret that this matter has caused concern and unhappiness. My actions on the pulpit have aroused some tension in this saga. I now stand corrected,' he said in a statement last night.
He also said he would be more sensitive to similar situations in future.
His statement comes a day after the National Council of Churches of Singapore (NCCS) issued a statement to say it does not condone churches getting involved in the matter, or pulpits being used for that purpose.
The statement was issued by NCCS president, Archbishop Dr John Chew, who heads the Anglican church here. Pastor Hong's church is in his diocese.
Yesterday, Pastor Hong said he agreed with Dr Chew that the pulpit should not have been used in the Aware saga.
The leadership tussle at women's advocacy group Aware took a religious turn two weeks ago when it emerged that six new committee members attend the Church of Our Saviour in Margaret Drive.
It also emerged that they were against what they saw as the former leadership's promotion of lesbianism and homosexuality.
In a sermon, Pastor Hong urged the women in his flock to 'be engaged' and support new Aware president Josie Lau and 'her sisters' at the group.
He had said: 'It's not a crusade against the people but there's a line that God has drawn for us, and we don't want our nation crossing that line.'
In an earlier statement on Thursday, Pastor Hong denied that his church was behind the move to take over Aware. He also said the church would not allow its pulpit 'to be used to intentionally teach anything that would arouse social tensions, divisions and unrest'.
That statement also reiterated his church's stand against homosexuality.
In a related development last night, Deputy Prime Minister Wong Kan Seng said he welcomed the statement by the NCCS's Dr John Chew.
That statement 'will help prevent any misunderstanding that the churches are backing one side in the Aware dispute, or that this is a dispute between Christians and other Singaporeans', he said. (See quote.)
Other religious leaders also supported the NCCS statement.
The Venerable Sik Kwang Sheng, president of the Singapore Buddhist Federation, said he backed Dr Chew's stand that 'religious groups as institutions should not get involved in civil society groups, and the pulpit should not be used to further socio-political causes'.
'The Aware incident serves as a reminder to all Singaporeans that cultivating open-mindedness towards others' views and beliefs is significant in fostering social harmony and cohesiveness,' he added.
Said Mr Ling Kin Huat, vice-chairman of the Taoist Federation: 'Racial and religious harmony is our foremost concern, and we support Dr Chew's stand that religion should not be dragged into this matter.'
Veteran mosque leader Rahmat Sulaiman agreed, saying: 'Religion should not be brought into the matters of secular civil society organisations like Aware. 'If this dispute goes on, our social fabric will be affected.'
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Was he invited for kopi recently?

mscitw · May 2, 2009

Pastor Hong is a southern chink who works with foreign missionaries to help supplant local idols with his deity.

His goal is to turn Peasantpore into a nation who stays within the line he perceived drawn by his deity.

He is however a local peasant, he forgot the 'One Country, Three System' Theorem.

Let us apply it for him.

Hong's deity is big, no doubt if you see the donations that turned his humble church into a mega million biz but the regime's deity is bigger, if you realize the billions raked in by the Imperial Family, you will know whose balls are bigger.

Peasant Hong should retake his 'O' level Elementary Mathematics exam to improve his logic, perhaps the Malayan trains at Spottiswoode park poisoned his logic during the last decade.

mscitw · May 2, 2009

If Peasant Hong is a reckless fool, Peasant Yang is a sly fox.

Peasant Yang realised the regime's deity has bigger balls in Peasantpore and all resistance against that fact is futile. Hence he has long ceased covert actions against Aware before Imperial Uncle pat Boss Chew's back for a well crafted statement.

Boss Chew hinted while their agenda remains unchanged to defeat local idols, challenging the regime's deity is foolhardy.

Peasant Yang nevertheless decline to concede total defeat, taking two pot shots, one saying he was compelled to 'compromise' as wayang but his anti bapok antics remains unchanged. Second, he revealed one of his flock was secretly bombarding the bapoks before Thio's goons spoil the show.

Only in Peasantpore.

R4g3 · May 2, 2009

'It's not a crusade against the people but there's a line that God has drawn for us, and we don't want our nation crossing that line.'

then now,

'I regret that this matter has caused concern and unhappiness. My actions on the pulpit have aroused some tension in this saga. I now stand corrected,' he said in a statement last night.

So many people like to make use of God's name to achieve their aim, how come God never punish them?

JinGanKor · May 2, 2009

R4g3 said:
So many people like to make use of God's name to achieve their aim, how come God never punish them?

People like to make use of God's name to justified themselves. If not because of so many "higher authority" step in, and his "sisters" won, would he have admit he is wrong?

How many dumb fools believe he is right in the 1st place?

these people are simply blind, yet they keep insisting they are right. Not only that, they want the people around them to believe what they think is right.

God's name can happy happy be make use of, how useful and convenient.

mscitw · May 2, 2009

Laden preached his silly doctrine using his deity's name and Paki Atta killed numerous peasants, women and children with his plane antics in his deity's name.

Laden is a rich peasant, he preaches and idiots like atta die carrying out his orders.

DerekDear · May 2, 2009

newyorker88 said:
Hahahhahaha.

Typical of sinkees, when the going gets rough, they back out. No back bones.

Wah, lan!

drifter · May 2, 2009

R4g3 said:
So many people like to make use of God's name to achieve their aim, how come God never punish them?

answer is simple , because there is no god

masgnoeL · May 2, 2009

Lee Hsien Tau said:
Pastor Hong should go back to basics. Talk about things like women have slits and men have dicks etc.

Or some Muslim slime will conduct takeover of AWARE, and promote Halal sex.

What is Halal sex? I like to try. Teach me.

annexa · May 3, 2009

The cornerstone pastor said he don't like compromise. And then he say "In any case, he did not see the tussle for Aware's leadership as a fight worth fighting. The issue was 'not a national one', in his view."

Guess what is national one worth fighting?

Play with Erection? Sigh...

papa san · May 3, 2009

tis is a BOR LANG PAR (no balls) pastor..........say one thing one day then change ground next day (when the going gets tough).

Where is his credibility now ??????

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