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PAP trying to save face over the NEA vs WP spat

winnipegjets

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PAP-Press running overtime to end this PAP/NEA vs WP spat with article below and then portraying the WP leader as caving in to the NEA.

WP should now go to the ground and spread the facts on this case ...time to send out leaflets to the hawkers and residents.

Singapolitics
Wednesday, Jun 12, 2013

How can I be sure that when I hand a $50-note over to a shopkeeper, that shopkeeper will, five seconds later, acknowledge the fact and hand back the correct amount of change?

Is it not possible that, with no third party looking on, the shopkeeper might claim that you had only paid $10 or $5?

Of course, it is.

Just as the inverse is possible - that the shopkeeper receives a $5 note from me, just to hear me claim, a moment after he has tucked it away, that it was actually $50.

But in most societies, a basic level of trust has developed between members of the society. Trust is that vital lubricant without which no exchange or activity is feasible. We know that instinctively, and we try our best therefore not to erode that trust.

And so we might argue over principles or how best to do something or which values are more important, but we, as a general rule, don't argue over basic facts such as the denomination of the note I have just handed you.

That is why I find deeply troubling what appears to be a trend in Singapore's political arena: our leaders and politicians - those we should be looking up to - are arguing not over the real questions of politics (i.e. what kind of country we want to build) but over the most basic of facts.

I use the word "trend" loosely here, since I can really only cite two incidents. I would be the first to applaud if these turn out to be isolated cases.

But the quick succession of and the stark similarities between the two spats surely give cause for concern, and I make no apology therefore for erring on the side of alarmism here by saying: Let's arrest this trend before it gets out of hand.

I am referring of course to two recent clashes between the Workers' Party and the People's Action Party-led government.

In the first instance, WP and the Government disagreed over the rates charged by the managing agent for the WP-led town council in Aljunied.

In another dispute that began last month and is still ongoing as I write, WP and the National Environment Agency waged a war of words over whether or not the other side had said that hawkers would pay for scaffolding needed to clean the high areas of a few hawker centres in Bedok.

I do not want to get into the relative merits of each side's case in either of those incidents.

Indeed, my point is that I can't. I am simply unable to. When two sides choose to argue over basic facts, I have no basis on which to comment because I wasn't there or because I am not privy to the information I need to make a reasonable assessment.

I suspect many members of the public who have tried - in vain, surely - to follow some of these arguments would have felt the same frustration.

Just as somebody who wasn't there cannot possibly say anything authoritative about whether or not you had handed over a $50-note to the shopkeeper, there are parts of these PAP-WP debates - particularly the parts that involve judging whether or not X had said Y to Z - that are inscrutable to the public.

There are two possibilities on what has led to the disputes. One, it was a pure misunderstanding between two sides which engaged each other in good faith. Two, it was not a pure misunderstanding, but that one side or both were being mischievous.

Whichever is the case, let's stop it now.

These are debates that the public can do without. These are news events that even the news hound in me is quite happy to see less of.

In the long run, more of such debates will simply wear the people down and breed deep mistrust of their politicians - to the detriment of all political parties.

It will also make it harder for cooperation between political leaders to take place and for public goods to be delivered - to the detriment of the people.

And so, it is in the interest of all sides to take these fact-centred quarrels behind closed doors, and to allow public space and newspaper columns to be dominated by issues of more import, such as: How do we narrow the income gap even as we sustain our economic competitiveness? Or, how can we maintain social harmony even as we allow free expression?

For the sake of this country and of decency, let's raise our public debates above the level of banalities and trivialities.

Let's stop it now.

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wendychan

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is he saying that of IF someone accuses you of something you did not do, you should accept it, and not argue back for the sake of "not spatting"?
 
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Cestbon

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From my point of view . NEA do some mistake but dare not to admit. Then VB come out try to protect and cover up the mistake. If not why NEA keep quite and dont dare to comment. Or because of the VB asking NEA to do so to sabotage WP manage town council????
VB should stay neutral and ask NEA to explain. That is big mistake VB come out Kpo.
Yesterday can see on the news VB face angry something must be wrong but never show on news footage(meaning censor out) some question must have been ask and he cant answer and give bull shit and when question by reporter.
 

halsey02

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is he saying that of someone accuses you of something you did not do, you should accept it, and not argue back for the sake of "not spatting"?

had it occur to one and all that:

1. Before the Hawker's Centre in the controversy it was managed and run by the same organization from top to bottom?, PAP
2. Now, it is managed by an opposition party, where the authority in charge of the environment is run by the PAP? shouldn't NEA be independent & not politically affiliated?
3. Why the did the Hawker's Association seek a quotation for the erection of whatever to clean the areas above 2.5m
4. Did the chairman of that association ( a PAP member) consulted the hawker's on seeking the quotation, since it is an association, the views of the members should be consulted, before the chairman can act or is it just another association for show..run by one man or "outsiders"?
5. Why did NEA, the governing body get involved in the management of the hawker Centers? their duties to enforce the rules, if the TC did not perform their duty, it is NEA duty to bring them to task & using the law given to them, FINE the TC?.
6. Any complains or petitions by the hawkers or representatives to NEA, why did they get involved?, they should have call on all parties to meet & sort out the differences, since they are the governing body, this is their duty. The duty to clean should be on the TC.

The mess created is "too many cooks, spoil the broth" & worse, the 'kitchen helper' ( we know who) is telling the cook, how to buy ingredients & do the 'cooking'..that is getting involved in the management of the hawker's center..maybe in the past, held sway over this.

The proof is in the 'pudding'...
 
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wendychan

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The mess created is "too many cooks, spoil the broth" & worse, the 'kitchen helper' ( we know who) is telling the cook, how to buy ingredients & do the 'cooking'..that is getting involved in the management of the hawker's center..maybe in the past, held sway over this.

The proof is in the 'pudding'...


oh and don't i know that from first hand experiences too
 

Confuseous

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In speaking out in his capacity as minister, Vivian has riden rough shod over the NEA CEO and intent on setting the political agenda, rather than settling the issue at hand. In the corporate world, such matters are at departmental head level, not even director level. VB has just confirmed that he is not a big picture minister but just some overpaid incompetent minister.
 

halsey02

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In speaking out in his capacity as minister, Vivian has riden rough shod over the NEA CEO and intent on setting the political agenda, rather than settling the issue at hand. In the corporate world, such matters are at departmental head level, not even director level. VB has just confirmed that he is not a big picture minister but just some overpaid incompetent minister.

That is why given a task in the big thing ( hint budget over ran), he only capable of getting involved in petty issues, in which the head of the oppositions, a veteran, does not even want to comment. This issue in simplicity, Town Council don't do a good job cleaning, NEA will just do a check, do a report, FINE them, period. They are collecting extra monies from the hawkers for cleaning & the users are not pleased, the parties involved, get their representatives ( the CHAIRMAN) to see the MP for that area, & no solution is found, complain to NEA. NEA will bring the TC to ask...and there is 'monkey business' involved, collect evidence report to CAD or CPIB.

But..it wasn't so..,, it has now become, like a petty quarrel between two 'aunties' in a wet market, one rich one & the other so-so, well to do & now, involved other "kaypohs" aka busybody as well.

How can we pay so much for someone of that caliber & position to get involved in 'petty" issues? only the 60% can fathom.
 
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laksaboy

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is he saying that of IF someone accuses you of something you did not do, you should accept it, and not argue back for the sake of "not spatting"?

Coming from the camp which had launched quite a notable number of 'defamation' lawsuits against their detractors... that's quite rich. :rolleyes:
 

cheekenpie

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Dont forget hor, Georgie Yeo is gone but ah bang Zainul Abidin and newbie Ong Ye Kung are desperate to take back Aljunied . PAP strong base was eunos and kaki bukit afterall.
 

watchman8

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Dont forget hor, Georgie Yeo is gone but ah bang Zainul Abidin and newbie Ong Ye Kung are desperate to take back Aljunied . PAP strong base was eunos and kaki bukit afterall.
Desperate? More like despodent. Aljunied is gone case for pap liao, unlike LTK, Sylvia lim etc. suddenly die in accident.
 

no_life_boy

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Fxxk lah, I am a simple man. All I want is to clear up the place so that I do not have to keep watching dirty oil dripping down from the pipe onto my food. Let move on and end this issue.
 

whoami

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In speaking out in his capacity as minister, Vivian has riden rough shod over the NEA CEO and intent on setting the political agenda, rather than settling the issue at hand. In the corporate world, such matters are at departmental head level, not even director level. VB has just confirmed that he is not a big picture minister but just some overpaid incompetent minister.

Spot on!

If i were VB, i wouldnt have get myself involve with such petty matters! Is between NEA and WP.

Big issue ie. mozzie, is on the table! VB should come out with more ideas on how to solve and eradicate this mozzie problem to avoid more deaths. Yes, even it costs state million of dollars!!!
 

halsey02

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Spot on!

If i were VB, i wouldnt have get myself involve with such petty matters! Is between NEA and WP.

Big issue ie. mozzie, is on the table! VB should come out with more ideas on how to solve and eradicate this mozzie problem to avoid more deaths. Yes, even it costs state million of dollars!!!

He is handing out insect repellant... read REPELLANT. but the mosquitoes have evolve into retardant.Question is, how are they breeding so fast??
 

whoami

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He is handing out insect repellant... read REPELLANT. but the mosquitoes have evolve into retardant.Question is, how are they breeding so fast??

Juz curious. Did VB ever ask himself how come our neighbouring countries like Msia and Indon, not facing tis acute problem? Why only SinkieLand??

Maybe VB should consult our neighbours on how to prevent mozzie fm spreading at such pace...
 
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cass888

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Ah Khiang is the one trying to save face asking people to move on.

Workers Party seems to be quite famous for saying "Let's Move On" when they are proven wrong. Goh Meng Seng's team mate became famous for his "Let's Move On" statement - to quote Mr. Brown, Move on your silangtao.

PAP-Press running overtime to end this PAP/NEA vs WP spat with article below and then portraying the WP leader as caving in to the NEA.

WP should now go to the ground and spread the facts on this case ...time to send out leaflets to the hawkers and residents.
 
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