Serious PAP Replacing Old Local Machine Gun With Better Foreign One! Guess New Machine Gun For SAF Warriors!

[JohnTan]

Your daughter first

My whole family are patriots. Unlike you, we will never flee.

 

[Hypocrite-The]

i’ve been advocating increasing the caliber to 6.9mm.

At 6.9 mm better to use the russkies std of 7.62... That way can use their ammo..but in turn they can use yr ammo too...but right now...I was told Yankees special ops use the ak47 In enemy territory so easier to get ammo etc...so better 7.62 than 6.9...no point using odd ball weird ammo where there will b a shortage...

 

[laksaboy]

This is what happens when the military budget gets increased all the time in a totalitarian regime.

 

[eatshitndie]

At 6.9 mm better to use the russkies std of 7.62... That way can use their ammo..but in turn they can use yr ammo too...but right now...I was told Yankees special ops use the ak47 In enemy territory so easier to get ammo etc...so better 7.62 than 6.9...no point using odd ball weird ammo where there will b a shortage...

same caliber doesn’t automatically translate to same cartridge, same chamber, and or same bore and or firing pin type and mechanism. there’s a difference between a bullet and a cartridge just as there’s a difference between rimfire and centerfire.

various cartridge sizes of rifles translate to corresponding chamber lengths and shapes. for the 7.62 caliber, there are already more than 3 different types of cartridges: 7.62x39mm, 7.62x40mm, 7.63x51mm, 7.62x54mm.

there are also different firing mechanisms and pin positions, although rifles are usually equipped as centerfire and shotguns are typically equipped as rimfire. also, some smaller caliber firearms are also equipped as rimfire.

cannot just anyhow humtum change rounds on different 7.62 rifles and sexpect it to work. that’s bs urban legend spewed like veteran truths on the internet.

 

[red amoeba]

No need to be the best just can beat whatever mudland is using can liao

 

[Hypocrite-The]

same caliber doesn’t automatically translate to same cartridge, same chamber, and or same bore and or firing pin type and mechanism. there’s a difference between a bullet and a cartridge just as there’s a difference between rimfire and centerfire.

various cartridge sizes of rifles translate to corresponding chamber lengths and shapes. for the 7.62 caliber, there are already more than 3 different types of cartridges: 7.62x39mm, 7.62x40mm, 7.63x51mm, 7.62x54mm.
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there are also different firing mechanisms and pin positions, although rifles are usually equipped as centerfire and shotguns are typically equipped as rimfire. also, some smaller caliber firearms are also equipped as rimfire.
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cannot just anyhow humtum change rounds on different 7.62 rifles and sexpect it to work. that’s bs urban legend spewed like veteran truths on the internet.

Ok just use basically wat the enemy uses ...

 

[Hypocrite-The]

same caliber doesn’t automatically translate to same cartridge, same chamber, and or same bore and or firing pin type and mechanism. there’s a difference between a bullet and a cartridge just as there’s a difference between rimfire and centerfire.

various cartridge sizes of rifles translate to corresponding chamber lengths and shapes. for the 7.62 caliber, there are already more than 3 different types of cartridges: 7.62x39mm, 7.62x40mm, 7.63x51mm, 7.62x54mm.
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there are also different firing mechanisms and pin positions, although rifles are usually equipped as centerfire and shotguns are typically equipped as rimfire. also, some smaller caliber firearms are also equipped as rimfire.
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cannot just anyhow humtum change rounds on different 7.62 rifles and sexpect it to work. that’s bs urban legend spewed like veteran truths on the internet.

This one can?

 

[eatshitndie]

This one can?

don’t know. looks good though.

 

[Hypocrite-The]

don’t know. looks good though.

Great minds think alike

 

[eatshitndie]

Ok just use basically wat the enemy uses ...

if in hostile territory like in middle east, africa, and former soviet states, most likely 69% of 7.62 ammo are made in prc copying ak-47 type from soviet blocs. so yes better to use the same copycat weapon as it’s not only most abundant but most abandoned with so many dead fighters lying around leaving their ak-47s and ammo behind.

 

[Papsmearer]

if in hostile territory like in middle east, africa, and former soviet states, most likely 69% of 7.62 ammo are made in prc copying ak-47 type from soviet blocs. so yes better to use the same copycat weapon as it’s not only most abundant but most abandoned with so many dead fighters lying around leaving their ak-47s and ammo behind.

What a fucking stupid analogy. U chow NS issit? Seems like u know nothing about soldiering. The standard US Army issue M4/M16 is far superior to AK-47. With the standard scope, it will drop enemy at 500m and beyond. The AK-47 with iron sights will be lucky to hit something at 250m to 300m with any sort of accuracy. Not to mention you can easily tag on a M203 grenade launcher, all sorts of laser, night scopes, etc. The AK no run horse. If you are out of ammo, trapped behind enemy lines with no chance of resupply, then u use enemy weapons, of course. And not only pick up their AKs, but their RPGs and grenades too. That is SOP. The enemy will do the same if the table was turned.

But you don't walk into a fight using the same weapon as the enemy. Because it gives you no tactical advantage. You walk in with a superior assault rifle like the M4 and when there is no other option, then you pick up anything that will shoot at the enemy.

 

[mixmasternrv]

The issue is the yanks might change to a larger calibre...the 5.56 might go obsolete n once the yanks change the calibre the whole world will follow..

agreed - but CIS makes very good ammo in 5.56 and 7.62

 

[mixmasternrv]

if in hostile territory like in middle east, africa, and former soviet states, most likely 69% of 7.62 ammo are made in prc copying ak-47 type from soviet blocs. so yes better to use the same copycat weapon as it’s not only most abundant but most abandoned with so many dead fighters lying around leaving their ak-47s and ammo behind.

You are right the Ukrainians and Russians were using cold-war era stockpiles of Warsaw-pact ammo like no tomorrow! Some of which was flawed but they have been able to re-supply plenty fast.

 

[JohnTan]

if in hostile territory like in middle east, africa, and former soviet states, most likely 69% of 7.62 ammo are made in prc copying ak-47 type from soviet blocs. so yes better to use the same copycat weapon as it’s not only most abundant but most abandoned with so many dead fighters lying around leaving their ak-47s and ammo behind.

AK47 is known for its reliability to keep shooting, not accuracy. In africa and middle east countries, the soldiers and militants there are not trained marksmen like our SAF soldiers. They are better off with soviet crap than american rifles.

 

[eatshitndie]

What a fucking stupid analogy. U chow NS issit? Seems like u know nothing about soldiering. The standard US Army issue M4/M16 is far superior to AK-47. With the standard scope, it will drop enemy at 500m and beyond. The AK-47 with iron sights will be lucky to hit something at 250m to 300m with any sort of accuracy. Not to mention you can easily tag on a M203 grenade launcher, all sorts of laser, night scopes, etc. The AK no run horse. If you are out of ammo, trapped behind enemy lines with no chance of resupply, then u use enemy weapons, of course. And not only pick up their AKs, but their RPGs and grenades too. That is SOP. The enemy will do the same if the table was turned.

But you don't walk into a fight using the same weapon as the enemy. Because it gives you no tactical advantage. You walk in with a superior assault rifle like the M4 and when there is no other option, then you pick up anything that will shoot at the enemy.

https://www.military.com/kitup/2010/03/us-army-outgunned-by-afghan-insurgents.html

https://smallwarsjournal.com/blog/americans-outgunned-by-talebans-ak47s

https://www.foxnews.com/tech/m4-vs-ak-47-is-u-s-army-outgunned-in-afghanistan

ballistics played a role in afghanistan where u.s. forces were “outgunned” by heavier 7.62 rounds. it’s not only in the news but my american veteran buddies who fought in afghanistan have been sharing in privacy and candidly. “superior” rifle weaponry in an insurgency cannot overcum physics and mass hail of heavier bullets. in enfilading situations from hills to bases heavier rounds go further and more deadly, especially when 7.62 is used to mass snipe. there’s an admission by us army officials in pentagon that to snipe back longer than 699m (what ak47 rounds can traverse) u,s. snipers use the m14ebr with 7.62 rounds to reach 800m.

 

[Papsmearer]

https://www.military.com/kitup/2010/03/us-army-outgunned-by-afghan-insurgents.html

https://smallwarsjournal.com/blog/americans-outgunned-by-talebans-ak47s

https://www.foxnews.com/tech/m4-vs-ak-47-is-u-s-army-outgunned-in-afghanistan

ballistics played a role in afghanistan where u.s. forces were “outgunned” by heavier 7.62 rounds. it’s not only in the news but my american veteran buddies who fought in afghanistan have been sharing in privacy and candidly. “superior” rifle weaponry in an insurgency cannot overcum physics and mass hail of heavier bullets. in enfilading situations from hills to bases heavier rounds go further and more deadly, especially when 7.62 is used to mass snipe. there’s an admission by us army officials in pentagon that to snipe back longer than 699m (what ak47 rounds can traverse) u,s. snipers use the m14ebr with 7.62 rounds to reach 800m.

https://www.military.com/kitup/2010/03/us-army-outgunned-by-afghan-insurgents.html

https://smallwarsjournal.com/blog/americans-outgunned-by-talebans-ak47s

https://www.foxnews.com/tech/m4-vs-ak-47-is-u-s-army-outgunned-in-afghanistan

ballistics played a role in afghanistan where u.s. forces were “outgunned” by heavier 7.62 rounds. it’s not only in the news but my american veteran buddies who fought in afghanistan have been sharing in privacy and candidly. “superior” rifle weaponry in an insurgency cannot overcum physics and mass hail of heavier bullets. in enfilading situations from hills to bases heavier rounds go further and more deadly, especially when 7.62 is used to mass snipe. there’s an admission by us army officials in pentagon that to snipe back longer than 699m (what ak47 rounds can traverse) u,s. snipers use the m14ebr with 7.62 rounds to reach 800m.

Your so call american veteran buddies are full of shit. More likely they are weekend national guard fuckers who never went to Astan. How many Taliban got scope on their AK-47? Non. With iron sights, u will be lucky to hit anything at 300m. In order for someone to successfully snipe with a iron sight AK-47 at ranges greater then 400m, they must be an exceptional shot and not the norm. When I say snipe, I am talking head shot at 400m. With an M4 and ACOG scope, 500m hits is possible for an ordinary soldier. Heavier bullets are useless if they cannot hit anything accurately beyond 300m. There is a reason why the US and NATO switched from 7.63mm to 5.56mm more then 50 years ago.

 

[Papsmearer]

You are right the Ukrainians and Russians were using cold-war era stockpiles of Warsaw-pact ammo like no tomorrow! Some of which was flawed but they have been able to re-supply plenty fast.

The Cold War era of stockpile ammo has mostly been used up already. The Americans were buying tons of that stuff for the Iraqi army they were equipping after Desert Storm, and before that for the Mujahiddin to fight the Russians in Astan. The stockpiles left in ex Soviet bloc countries have mostly been stolen and sold off long ago. The Ukrainians are using small arms ammo made in western countries, and the russians are using small arms ammo made in china.

 

[eatshitndie]

Your so call american veteran buddies are full of shit. More likely they are weekend national guard fuckers who never went to Astan. How many Taliban got scope on their AK-47? Non. With iron sights, u will be lucky to hit anything at 300m. In order for someone to successfully snipe with a iron sight AK-47 at ranges greater then 400m, they must be an exceptional shot and not the norm. When I say snipe, I am talking head shot at 400m. With an M4 and ACOG scope, 500m hits is possible for an ordinary soldier. Heavier bullets are useless if they cannot hit anything accurately beyond 300m. There is a reason why the US and NATO switched from 7.63mm to 5.56mm more then 50 years ago.

what national guard? this quote was from then col. tamilio, who headed the peo group for the us army responsible for developing, fielding, and sustaining new army weapons in 2015. he was most likely referring to the 7.62x54mmr svd rifle (basically a souped up ak-47 with scope).

‘To address the issue of snipers, there's the M14EBR, a 7.62 caliber rifle designed to handle the recoil from big bullets better. That gun will be accurate to 800 meters.

"It's not the AK-47s putting a significant threat on our soldiers, it's the sniper rifles," Tamilio said, citing the Soviet era guns capable of killing from 600 to 700 meters away. "We need the ability to answer back to those."’

at the same time, ak-47 came with 3rd party scopes too. never underestimate ak-47 equipped armies. they also improve with battlefield sexperience.

 

[GOD IS MY DOG]

aiyah.................just make a pirated version of those used by the incomparable Wehrmacht during WW2 lah..............