Should give him PR here mate with SPG chink and pop out next super Chindian superman like Joseph Prince!
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Our school children will be singing this song from now on
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Which worthless cunts are in charge of Ministry of Culture, Community and Youth?
Fuck your mothers' cheebyes.
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Fuck your mothers' cheebyes.
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If MCCY does not stand up for principles and integrity, the government, PAP, MCCY should not ask Sinkies to sing this song again:
STAND UP FOR SINGAPORE
STAND UP FOR SINGAPORE
Singapore has gone to the dogs under this imbecile.
Fuck his mother's cheebye, whole family die.
His corpse will be paraded and whipped in public hung high to be struck by lighting!
I heard Mccy is staffed full of new citizens. Even senior positions
I support so you can fcuk deeper, hahahaWhich worthless cunts are in charge of Ministry of Culture, Community and Youth?
Fuck your mothers' cheebyes.
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I am sure the top Leedership doesn't want to offend the Modi government. Balless MCCY
250 orphans are ‘living proof’ my song came before ‘Count On Me Singapore’: Indian composer
Carolyn Teo
9 hrs ago
Joey Mendoza in a February photo. Photo: Joey Mendoza/Facebook
An Indian composer accused of copying a patriotic Singapore anthem is sticking to his claim that he was the tune’s original author.
Days after Singaporeans discovered what seemed to be an Indian remake of 1986’s Count On Me Singapore, songwriter Joey Mendoza, whose real name is Joseph Mendonza, responded to copycat accusations in a statement to Coconuts last night, saying he wrote his song, We Can Achieve, three years earlier. Who could prove the truth of his claim? Two-hundred-and-fifty people, Mendoza said.
“The only living proof I can offer you are the 250 orphans who first learnt it in 1983 and all the orphans at Bal Bhavan in the successive years too,” the 58-year-old said, referring to an orphanage in Mumbai.
Mendoza, who studied at the Musicians Institute in Hollywood, says We Can Achieve was not committed to a recording until 16 years later in 1999 by Christian record and books store Pauline India. A video of the song as well as a clip of an Indian teacher and students performing it were both removed after Singaporeans found them and began complaining that it was purloined.
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© Provided by Coconuts Mendoza posing with the sister-in-charge of the orphanage. Photo: Joey Mendoza
Count On Me Singapore was said to be composed by Canadian Hugh Harrison. It debuted on Singapore’s National Day in 1986. Harrison wrote online that he had worked with other musicians on the song, including Singaporean jazz musician Jeremy Monteiro, and disputes any claims otherwise.
He said today that he had reached out to Mendoza and Pauline India regarding the former’s “false claims to be the original creator of this song.”
According to Mendoza, he wrote We Can Achieve in 1983 while he was teaching music at the Bal Bhavan orphanage in Mumbai. A total of 250 orphans performed the song that year, Mendoza said. He also said that he only learned about Count On Me Singapore days ago.
After We Can Achieve was recorded and released on cassette in 1999, Mendoza said he was only paid INR2,000 (S$37 or US$27). The original tapes, he said, were swept away in the 2005 Mumbai floods.
Mendoza recognized there are similarities between both songs, namely the words “India” or “Mother India” versus “Singapore,” but thought that it could be a coincidence since there was no internet back in the ‘80s.
“There was no way I or the other composer could know that things would look so similar. (And no INTERNET ACCESS) With due respect to the other composer there are so many phrases that musically were connected and it could be all coincidental,” he said.
The Bal Bhavan orphanage has yet to respond to inquiries.
Harrison also said in a separate comment yesterday that it was “impossible” that the song existed before 1986, adding that Mendoza “would have a hard time producing any evidence of creation, performance or production of the song in 1983.”
Pauline India stepped in Sunday to say that they were unaware that the song was a Singaporean anthem when they licensed it from Mendoza in 1999. The song was also included in a 2012 playlist titled We Stand United on SoundCloud, which compiled a list of patriotic songs.
“We would like to inform you that we had produced this song with the help of Mr. Joey Mendoza who sold the copyright of the lyrics and music to us, claiming he owned it. We were not even aware, that this song has been the National Day Song of Singapore since 1986,” the Christian bookstore chain wrote online.
Count On Me Singapore is now owned by the Singapore government. The Ministry of Culture, Community and Youth had originally said last week it was investigating potential copyright infringement before striking a softer tone, saying it was happy the song “struck a chord” with the people of India.
© Provided by Coconuts The children at the Bal Bhavan orphanage. Photo: Joey Mendoza
Editor’s note: This story has been updated with more info and photos.
Carolyn Teo
9 hrs ago
An Indian composer accused of copying a patriotic Singapore anthem is sticking to his claim that he was the tune’s original author.
Days after Singaporeans discovered what seemed to be an Indian remake of 1986’s Count On Me Singapore, songwriter Joey Mendoza, whose real name is Joseph Mendonza, responded to copycat accusations in a statement to Coconuts last night, saying he wrote his song, We Can Achieve, three years earlier. Who could prove the truth of his claim? Two-hundred-and-fifty people, Mendoza said.
“The only living proof I can offer you are the 250 orphans who first learnt it in 1983 and all the orphans at Bal Bhavan in the successive years too,” the 58-year-old said, referring to an orphanage in Mumbai.
Mendoza, who studied at the Musicians Institute in Hollywood, says We Can Achieve was not committed to a recording until 16 years later in 1999 by Christian record and books store Pauline India. A video of the song as well as a clip of an Indian teacher and students performing it were both removed after Singaporeans found them and began complaining that it was purloined.
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Count On Me Singapore was said to be composed by Canadian Hugh Harrison. It debuted on Singapore’s National Day in 1986. Harrison wrote online that he had worked with other musicians on the song, including Singaporean jazz musician Jeremy Monteiro, and disputes any claims otherwise.
He said today that he had reached out to Mendoza and Pauline India regarding the former’s “false claims to be the original creator of this song.”
According to Mendoza, he wrote We Can Achieve in 1983 while he was teaching music at the Bal Bhavan orphanage in Mumbai. A total of 250 orphans performed the song that year, Mendoza said. He also said that he only learned about Count On Me Singapore days ago.
After We Can Achieve was recorded and released on cassette in 1999, Mendoza said he was only paid INR2,000 (S$37 or US$27). The original tapes, he said, were swept away in the 2005 Mumbai floods.
Mendoza recognized there are similarities between both songs, namely the words “India” or “Mother India” versus “Singapore,” but thought that it could be a coincidence since there was no internet back in the ‘80s.
“There was no way I or the other composer could know that things would look so similar. (And no INTERNET ACCESS) With due respect to the other composer there are so many phrases that musically were connected and it could be all coincidental,” he said.
The Bal Bhavan orphanage has yet to respond to inquiries.
Harrison also said in a separate comment yesterday that it was “impossible” that the song existed before 1986, adding that Mendoza “would have a hard time producing any evidence of creation, performance or production of the song in 1983.”
Pauline India stepped in Sunday to say that they were unaware that the song was a Singaporean anthem when they licensed it from Mendoza in 1999. The song was also included in a 2012 playlist titled We Stand United on SoundCloud, which compiled a list of patriotic songs.
“We would like to inform you that we had produced this song with the help of Mr. Joey Mendoza who sold the copyright of the lyrics and music to us, claiming he owned it. We were not even aware, that this song has been the National Day Song of Singapore since 1986,” the Christian bookstore chain wrote online.
Count On Me Singapore is now owned by the Singapore government. The Ministry of Culture, Community and Youth had originally said last week it was investigating potential copyright infringement before striking a softer tone, saying it was happy the song “struck a chord” with the people of India.
Editor’s note: This story has been updated with more info and photos.
Gov keep quiet mean this ah neh is right250 orphans are ‘living proof’ my song came before ‘Count On Me Singapore’: Indian composer
Carolyn Teo
9 hrs ago
Joey Mendoza in a February photo. Photo: Joey Mendoza/Facebook
An Indian composer accused of copying a patriotic Singapore anthem is sticking to his claim that he was the tune’s original author.
Days after Singaporeans discovered what seemed to be an Indian remake of 1986’s Count On Me Singapore, songwriter Joey Mendoza, whose real name is Joseph Mendonza, responded to copycat accusations in a statement to Coconuts last night, saying he wrote his song, We Can Achieve, three years earlier. Who could prove the truth of his claim? Two-hundred-and-fifty people, Mendoza said.
“The only living proof I can offer you are the 250 orphans who first learnt it in 1983 and all the orphans at Bal Bhavan in the successive years too,” the 58-year-old said, referring to an orphanage in Mumbai.
Mendoza, who studied at the Musicians Institute in Hollywood, says We Can Achieve was not committed to a recording until 16 years later in 1999 by Christian record and books store Pauline India. A video of the song as well as a clip of an Indian teacher and students performing it were both removed after Singaporeans found them and began complaining that it was purloined.
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© Provided by Coconuts Mendoza posing with the sister-in-charge of the orphanage. Photo: Joey Mendoza
Count On Me Singapore was said to be composed by Canadian Hugh Harrison. It debuted on Singapore’s National Day in 1986. Harrison wrote online that he had worked with other musicians on the song, including Singaporean jazz musician Jeremy Monteiro, and disputes any claims otherwise.
He said today that he had reached out to Mendoza and Pauline India regarding the former’s “false claims to be the original creator of this song.”
According to Mendoza, he wrote We Can Achieve in 1983 while he was teaching music at the Bal Bhavan orphanage in Mumbai. A total of 250 orphans performed the song that year, Mendoza said. He also said that he only learned about Count On Me Singapore days ago.
After We Can Achieve was recorded and released on cassette in 1999, Mendoza said he was only paid INR2,000 (S$37 or US$27). The original tapes, he said, were swept away in the 2005 Mumbai floods.
Mendoza recognized there are similarities between both songs, namely the words “India” or “Mother India” versus “Singapore,” but thought that it could be a coincidence since there was no internet back in the ‘80s.
“There was no way I or the other composer could know that things would look so similar. (And no INTERNET ACCESS) With due respect to the other composer there are so many phrases that musically were connected and it could be all coincidental,” he said.
The Bal Bhavan orphanage has yet to respond to inquiries.
Harrison also said in a separate comment yesterday that it was “impossible” that the song existed before 1986, adding that Mendoza “would have a hard time producing any evidence of creation, performance or production of the song in 1983.”
Pauline India stepped in Sunday to say that they were unaware that the song was a Singaporean anthem when they licensed it from Mendoza in 1999. The song was also included in a 2012 playlist titled We Stand United on SoundCloud, which compiled a list of patriotic songs.
“We would like to inform you that we had produced this song with the help of Mr. Joey Mendoza who sold the copyright of the lyrics and music to us, claiming he owned it. We were not even aware, that this song has been the National Day Song of Singapore since 1986,” the Christian bookstore chain wrote online.
Count On Me Singapore is now owned by the Singapore government. The Ministry of Culture, Community and Youth had originally said last week it was investigating potential copyright infringement before striking a softer tone, saying it was happy the song “struck a chord” with the people of India.
© Provided by Coconuts The children at the Bal Bhavan orphanage. Photo: Joey Mendoza
Editor’s note: This story has been updated with more info and photos.
Many Indian schoolkids are singing the song in their schools, that means the song has been embedded in their education system since long ago. If it were a more recent plagiarization, this would not have happened.
Composer of Count on Me, Singapore refutes plagiarism claims by musician in India
By DARYL CHOO
Published MARCH 18, 2021
Updated MARCH 18, 2021
282 SHARES
YouTube screenshot
A screenshot of a video showing people in India singing a song that sounds close to Count on Me, Singapore.
Over the past week, the online community had been up in arms over videos of Count on Me, Singapore being sung by what appeared to be students in India
The version had replaced references to Singapore in the lyrics to India
A composer in India claimed that he had written the song in 1983
In Singapore, it was first performed at the 1986 National Day celebrations
Count on Me, Singapore’s composer has outrightly refuted this claim
SINGAPORE — An enduring patriotic song widely sung in Singapore has induced all kinds of emotions in the past week. Anger turned to confusion after a composer in India claimed to have written the original version of Count on Me, Singapore, a National Day favourite among the people here.
Videos of what appeared to be students in India singing the iconic song have surfaced on social media — except that all references to “Singapore” in the lyrics seemed to have been replaced with “India”.
The song also goes by a different title, We Can Achieve, which Indian musician Joseph Conrad Mendoza claimed to have written three years before Canadian Hugh Harrison composed Count on Me, Singapore for the 1986 National Day celebrations here.
Speaking to TODAY, both composers dug their heels in, each claiming to be the original songwriter.
Mr Mendoza, 58, said that he wrote the song in April 1983 and taught it to children from the Bal Bhavan Orphanage in Mumbai where he is based.
They rehearsed for a month before performing it on May 1 that year during an annual gathering of children from different orphanages, he said.
“We shared the song with many teachers and institutions,” Mr Mendoza, who is also known as Joey, told TODAY in an email.
“The children in remote villages all sing We Can Achieve,” he said, adding that he travels around the country to teach music and sports to children from disadvantaged backgrounds.
Asked for evidence, he said: “Whatever data I had on the performance has gone missing since all cassettes and written (documents) were all washed away in the floods of July 26, 2005.”
In 1999, he sold the rights to the song to a Catholic publishing house Pauline Communications for what he claimed to be a nominal sum of 2,000 rupees (about S$37).
The publishing house then released the track as part of a CD called We Can Achieve — Inspirational Songs for Children and All in 1999. It also uploaded the song to music-sharing platform SoundCloud in 2012, which it has now removed.
In a Facebook post last Sunday evening, Pauline Communications said that when it bought the song from Mr Mendoza, it was unaware that a similar song was used in Singapore's 1986 National Day celebrations.
“It seems that it has been copied 99 per cent from the song Count on Me Singapore,” it wrote. “Sorry for any inconvenience caused and sentiments hurt.”
‘AUDACIOUS ACTS’
For Mr Harrison, who works in advertising and had written three of Singapore’s earliest National Day songs, Mr Mendoza’s claim touched a raw nerve.
“I don't think anyone would have been bothered if a group of school children wanted to alter the lyrics slightly and sing this song for their own enjoyment,” he told TODAY from Canada.
“The real problem is that Joey has been commercialising this song, even going so far as selling the rights… And worst of all, he makes his audacious acts even more outlandish by claiming that this second of Singapore's National Day songs was essentially stolen from him and does so in a public forum.”
Mr Harrison said that the copyright to Count on Me, Singapore belongs to himself and the Singapore Government, which had asked him to write the song while he was working for the McCann-Erickson advertising agency.
While he was working on the song, the lyrics and melody had evolved over a number of months after input from a government official, a colleague from his firm, as well as Singapore jazz veteran Jeremy Monteiro, who arranged the piece.
“What are the odds that after all these small tweaks, the song just happened to end up being identical to Joey Mendoza's Indian version?”
He has not been contacted by any government officials about the dispute over the song, but he has written to Mr Mendoza for him to retract his claims, he said.
In a Facebook post last Friday, the Ministry of Culture, Community and Youth (MCCY) said that it was investigating unauthorised versions of Count on Me, Singapore for potential copyright infringements.
But it edited the post a day later to remove references that it was conducting an investigation.
It said in the latest version of its statement: “We have noticed that a remixed version of our national song Count on Me, Singapore has been made into several videos. This is one of our most beloved and recognised national songs, we are happy that it seems to have struck a chord with people in India as well.”
It added: “It may be a copy of our song, but sometimes, imitation is the best form of flattery!”
TO SUE OR NOT TO SUE?
Intellectual property experts who were interviewed agreed that this case was one of clear-cut copyright infringement.
Lawyer Jeffrey Lim, director of Joyce A Tan & Partners, said that with the stark similarities in the lyrics and the melody of both songs, it would be impossible to escape the conclusion that one work was copied from the other.
The question, Mr Lim asked, is who copied from whom?
Lawyer Bryan Tan, a partner at Pinsent Masons law firm, said that Mr Mendoza’s claim warrants an investigation by MCCY if the authorities decide to take any legal action.
If Mr Mendoza had plagiarised Mr Harrison’s song, Singapore could send a lawyer’s letter to the copyright infringers to stop using the copyright or to credit the source of the song.
Associate Professor Saw Cheng Lim from Singapore Management University's School of Law said that any copyright infringements involving the two countries can be enforced because both sides are signatories of international intellectual property agreements.
The issue, however, lies in the sensitivities surrounding the use of patriotic songs and whether enforcing action may hurt friendly relations between nations.
“The legal position appears to be very strong from Singapore’s perspective”, if Singapore’s version was the original, he said.
“But whether you want to take further steps in that direction is probably a question that’s not legal in nature.”
Read more at https://www.todayonline.com/singapo...pore-refutes-plagiarism-claims-musician-india
By DARYL CHOO
Published MARCH 18, 2021
Updated MARCH 18, 2021
282 SHARES
YouTube screenshot
A screenshot of a video showing people in India singing a song that sounds close to Count on Me, Singapore.
Over the past week, the online community had been up in arms over videos of Count on Me, Singapore being sung by what appeared to be students in India
The version had replaced references to Singapore in the lyrics to India
A composer in India claimed that he had written the song in 1983
In Singapore, it was first performed at the 1986 National Day celebrations
Count on Me, Singapore’s composer has outrightly refuted this claim
SINGAPORE — An enduring patriotic song widely sung in Singapore has induced all kinds of emotions in the past week. Anger turned to confusion after a composer in India claimed to have written the original version of Count on Me, Singapore, a National Day favourite among the people here.
Videos of what appeared to be students in India singing the iconic song have surfaced on social media — except that all references to “Singapore” in the lyrics seemed to have been replaced with “India”.
The song also goes by a different title, We Can Achieve, which Indian musician Joseph Conrad Mendoza claimed to have written three years before Canadian Hugh Harrison composed Count on Me, Singapore for the 1986 National Day celebrations here.
Speaking to TODAY, both composers dug their heels in, each claiming to be the original songwriter.
Mr Mendoza, 58, said that he wrote the song in April 1983 and taught it to children from the Bal Bhavan Orphanage in Mumbai where he is based.
They rehearsed for a month before performing it on May 1 that year during an annual gathering of children from different orphanages, he said.
“We shared the song with many teachers and institutions,” Mr Mendoza, who is also known as Joey, told TODAY in an email.
“The children in remote villages all sing We Can Achieve,” he said, adding that he travels around the country to teach music and sports to children from disadvantaged backgrounds.
Asked for evidence, he said: “Whatever data I had on the performance has gone missing since all cassettes and written (documents) were all washed away in the floods of July 26, 2005.”
In 1999, he sold the rights to the song to a Catholic publishing house Pauline Communications for what he claimed to be a nominal sum of 2,000 rupees (about S$37).
The publishing house then released the track as part of a CD called We Can Achieve — Inspirational Songs for Children and All in 1999. It also uploaded the song to music-sharing platform SoundCloud in 2012, which it has now removed.
In a Facebook post last Sunday evening, Pauline Communications said that when it bought the song from Mr Mendoza, it was unaware that a similar song was used in Singapore's 1986 National Day celebrations.
“It seems that it has been copied 99 per cent from the song Count on Me Singapore,” it wrote. “Sorry for any inconvenience caused and sentiments hurt.”
‘AUDACIOUS ACTS’
For Mr Harrison, who works in advertising and had written three of Singapore’s earliest National Day songs, Mr Mendoza’s claim touched a raw nerve.
“I don't think anyone would have been bothered if a group of school children wanted to alter the lyrics slightly and sing this song for their own enjoyment,” he told TODAY from Canada.
“The real problem is that Joey has been commercialising this song, even going so far as selling the rights… And worst of all, he makes his audacious acts even more outlandish by claiming that this second of Singapore's National Day songs was essentially stolen from him and does so in a public forum.”
Mr Harrison said that the copyright to Count on Me, Singapore belongs to himself and the Singapore Government, which had asked him to write the song while he was working for the McCann-Erickson advertising agency.
While he was working on the song, the lyrics and melody had evolved over a number of months after input from a government official, a colleague from his firm, as well as Singapore jazz veteran Jeremy Monteiro, who arranged the piece.
“What are the odds that after all these small tweaks, the song just happened to end up being identical to Joey Mendoza's Indian version?”
He has not been contacted by any government officials about the dispute over the song, but he has written to Mr Mendoza for him to retract his claims, he said.
In a Facebook post last Friday, the Ministry of Culture, Community and Youth (MCCY) said that it was investigating unauthorised versions of Count on Me, Singapore for potential copyright infringements.
But it edited the post a day later to remove references that it was conducting an investigation.
It said in the latest version of its statement: “We have noticed that a remixed version of our national song Count on Me, Singapore has been made into several videos. This is one of our most beloved and recognised national songs, we are happy that it seems to have struck a chord with people in India as well.”
It added: “It may be a copy of our song, but sometimes, imitation is the best form of flattery!”
TO SUE OR NOT TO SUE?
Intellectual property experts who were interviewed agreed that this case was one of clear-cut copyright infringement.
Lawyer Jeffrey Lim, director of Joyce A Tan & Partners, said that with the stark similarities in the lyrics and the melody of both songs, it would be impossible to escape the conclusion that one work was copied from the other.
The question, Mr Lim asked, is who copied from whom?
Lawyer Bryan Tan, a partner at Pinsent Masons law firm, said that Mr Mendoza’s claim warrants an investigation by MCCY if the authorities decide to take any legal action.
If Mr Mendoza had plagiarised Mr Harrison’s song, Singapore could send a lawyer’s letter to the copyright infringers to stop using the copyright or to credit the source of the song.
Associate Professor Saw Cheng Lim from Singapore Management University's School of Law said that any copyright infringements involving the two countries can be enforced because both sides are signatories of international intellectual property agreements.
The issue, however, lies in the sensitivities surrounding the use of patriotic songs and whether enforcing action may hurt friendly relations between nations.
“The legal position appears to be very strong from Singapore’s perspective”, if Singapore’s version was the original, he said.
“But whether you want to take further steps in that direction is probably a question that’s not legal in nature.”
Read more at https://www.todayonline.com/singapo...pore-refutes-plagiarism-claims-musician-india
You see when it comes to shitskin pride, these two headed snakes tend to band together and defend each other. Bloody CECA turds.
Which version do you like best?Version 1: Music video with lyrics, Joey Mendoza
Version 2: Sari-wearing teacher playing the keyboard
Version 3: School hall, Olive International School
Version 4: Village school
Version 5: Finny Thomas
Version 5b: Finny Thomas (Wings of Raphaelites intro, 1080p)
Version 6: J.B International School
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