Opposition to Siew Kum Hong as NMP

[annexa]

It's not the flesh that is weak--it is the mind. Sexual desire is a mental thing.

Sexual desire is a mental thing. It has nothing to do with hormones and pheromones. All the scientific research and facts are all wrong.

You so clever.

 

[SIFU]

Sexual desire is a mental thing. It has nothing to do with hormones and pheromones. All the scientific research and facts are all wrong.

You so clever.

she is not clever..

she is just not being desired

 

[Ripley]

Three NMP hopefuls come under fire
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Channel NewsAsia - Thursday, May 14
</cite>SINGAPORE: Barely had they thrown their names into the hat for the post of Nominated Member of Parliament (NMP) when the criticisms began on the government feedback website, REACH.
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NMP hopefuls Loretta Chen and Beatrice Chia—Richmond — along with incumbent Siew Kum Hong, who is seeking a second term — have been accused of being "homosexuality activists" by some Netizens.
Postings on REACH questioned if their applications, in the words of one, were "a back door for more pro—LGBTs (Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender)" to have a voice in Parliament. The debate has set REACH’s thread on NMP candidates abuzz.

First opened for comments on May 1, the thread picked up steam since last Thursday and has attracted 93 postings and more than 1,400 page views as of last night. In comparison, the thread on Influenza A (H1N1) has attracted eight comments. With his role as a legal adviser in the recent AWARE leadership saga, Mr Siew, 34, bore the brunt of the criticisms; many accused him of "pushing homosexual lifestyle" and of being "against the majority Singaporean".

On the other hand, Ms Chia—Richmond, 34, and Ms Chen, 32, both arts practitioners, came under fire for their past projects, which forumer ’Very Worried!!’ alleged about Ms Chia—Richmond’s application "is far more serious and worrying than Siew Kum Hong being re—nominated".
Ms Chen, a theatre director, has been charged as being "no different". "She’s openly gay and has also directed films with mainly controversial themes," wrote forumer ’isay’.

When asked about this, Ms Chen said, "I am who I am and I don’t intend to pretend to be someone that I am not. If you can be honest to yourself, you can then be honest to the team you are leading and only then you can be honest to society at large." Ms Chen, who hopes to speak up on arts, youth and elderly issues, added, "I don’t see this NMP as a backdoor (for LGBT issues). Human beings are capable of being multi—dimensional, multi—perspective and multi—layered. I think it’s sad when some Singaporeans choose to be so single—minded and so single—focused that you can only be defined by your sexuality or by your race or your religion."
Ms Chia, who is married and a mother of one, could not be reached for comment last night.

When contacted, Mr Siew said he had not seen the full comments posted on REACH, but has seen similar objections to his re—application online. He also received several emails. "It seems there’s some effort to organise a campaign to target me," he said. "It does bother me to be a target, to be singled out for expressing a sincerely held opinion."

Mr Siew, who is married and is a corporate lawyer, reiterated that he does not support homosexuality but is rather against discrimination, which is why he sought to repeal the law against gay sex in 2007. The criticisms on REACH is another sign that the two camps — those with concerns over the gay agenda and those seeking more equality for gays — are turning to "mainstream portals" as their sounding boards, according to Singapore Management University assistant professor Eugene Tan.

"The two groups are fairly educated and are not afraid to use the new media to draw and canvass for support," he said. Feedback on REACH is typically passed to the relevant agencies. But Mr Siew hopes the Special Select Committee of eight MPs will evaluate his record in Parliament, which he feels "speaks for itself" as he had spoken out on numerous topics.
"The only thing I hope is that rational minds will prevail," he added.
The panel, led by Speaker Abdullah Tarmugi, will make its recommendations to President SR Nathan after it has interviewed the candidates. The new NMP term begins in July.

— TODAY/so

 

[Perspective]

Our generation must cast aside that sainthood associated with anyone running for politics. The fundamental attributes should be
- act as an effective backstop to the PAP
- effective in representing the constituents
- effective in parliament
- desire to look after this country and its people

Unfortunately, being the first 3 may not mean the person is 4.

That aside, I think people are not going to buy it if the opposition sells the point that they need not be in the high moral ground because they would think it's just an excuse for opposition to behave in a low moral ground and taking the easy way out.

Saying so, I am not saying PAP MPs are in a high moral ground, which is exactly why the opposition needs to be different. I mean, being the same characters as PAP but without the track record, what other selling points can the opposition have for people to vote them? Morals and principles are perhaps the only selling point I can think of.

Do not forget that at this point, not everyone is like you and me, seeing things only from a perspective of reducing the PAP's power, hence cutting a lot of slack for opposition.

 

[OverTheCounter]

with or without nmps, policies still get through. with or without PM, the machinery of bureucracy still runs. from the excessive mps we have and 82 excessive wards, does it make any different to our lives?

ASTROTURF is a very good description. we also have ASTROPRATAMAN - don't forget.:p

And without you, your family will lead a much happier life.

Faggot leetahbar, shove your nonsense up your arse.

 

[OverTheCounter]

the next erection would be worst for sdp. they stand firmly to lose most of their balloting deposits. anyway, do they still pleading and begging for money? do u guys really heed their alms calling and donate? if u do, u r donating to the paps indirectly.

BAPOK, IF YOU so smart, go and fucking form your own party. WHOLE DAY WHOLE NIGHT sit there KBKP no wonder your parents so upset with you.

Chao ah qua pondan what an irresponsible son u are. PTUI!

 

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

aiyah mere mortal humans lah...the 'institution' in and of itself is quite a sound idea for obvious reasons...but humans shall invariably drop the ball every once in in awhile...try and forgive so long as there is genuine remorse...

oh and don't get me started on my take on nature making man want to spread his 'seed' around...even an old codger

Flesh is weak? Does that mean marriage, with all its conditions, is an unnatural institution? Maybe we should change it then. Allow both husband and wife to have affairs outside the marriage. Or abolish marriage altogether.

But as long as we want to keep the institution, we should respect its conditions and not make excuses for ourselves. It's not the flesh that is weak--it is the mind. Sexual desire is a mental thing.

 

[@rmadill0]

More on this NMP Siew Kum Hong.

Someone in HWZ had claimed that SKH is just a "hired gun".

Not sure if they are the same person but there is a Swede Johan Skarendal on Facebook who claimed to be a fan of our dear Chee Soon Juan.

If the Swede has indeed funded SKH, could he had funded Dr. Chee and SDP as well?

 

[OverTheCounter]

kum hong is truly a very modest humble man

CHAO AH QUA, mr siew kum hong works for a living, u leech on your younger sister, u are a fuck type character!

 

[MarrickG]

Yup...saw it here

http://forums.fuckwarezone.com.sg/showthread.php?t=2370261
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"Siew Kum Hong is just a Hired Gun

There is talk about Siew Kum Hong recently and let me add what I know about this NMP. Just recently, a Swedish politician, Johan Skarendal, was in town trying to finance certain political causes in Singapore. And yes, you guessed it! This Swede met up with Kum Hong, Stuart Koe, Leong Sze Hian, Peter Cuthbert Low and others, and promised to finance their gay and other rights projects in our little red dot.

This would not be a tale of guns for hire if Kum Hong and his posse had righteously rejected the thick wads of money stuffed in the saddlebags under their noses, cash that is so precious now when there is recession doom and gloom looming over our heads. Our NMP, champion of gay rights, defender of the marginalized, not only greedily accepted the offer, but asked for more as he said his rights projects in Singapore are legion.

Oh NMP, what have you done? Are you just a hired gun?"
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Originally Posted by edmwcsi
So NMP Siew is not only involved with gay rights movement but also Chee and SDP's human rights movement?

Finally SDP found a way to get one of their guys into Parliament! Through the back door NMP way (no pun intended!).

I dont know why you are intent on dragging the SDP down with Siew Kum Hong.

The SDP has been working with Johan Skarendal since i believe 2003. Siew kum hong has just popped into the scene only 2 yrs ago. Who is the likely mole here?
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More on this NMP Siew Kum Hong.

Someone in HWZ had claimed that SKH is just a "hired gun".

Not sure if they are the same person but there is a Swede Johan Skarendal on Facebook who claimed to be a fan of our dear Chee Soon Juan.

If the Swede has indeed funded SKH, could he had funded Dr. Chee and SDP as well?

 

[cheekenpie]

Yup...saw it here

http://forums.fuckwarezone.com.sg/showthread.php?t=2370261
===================================================
"Siew Kum Hong is just a Hired Gun

There is talk about Siew Kum Hong recently and let me add what I know about this NMP. Just recently, a Swedish politician, Johan Skarendal, was in town trying to finance certain political causes in Singapore. And yes, you guessed it! This Swede met up with Kum Hong, Stuart Koe, Leong Sze Hian, Peter Cuthbert Low and others, and promised to finance their gay and other rights projects in our little red dot.

This would not be a tale of guns for hire if Kum Hong and his posse had righteously rejected the thick wads of money stuffed in the saddlebags under their noses, cash that is so precious now when there is recession doom and gloom looming over our heads. Our NMP, champion of gay rights, defender of the marginalized, not only greedily accepted the offer, but asked for more as he said his rights projects in Singapore are legion.

Oh NMP, what have you done? Are you just a hired gun?"
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Originally Posted by edmwcsi
So NMP Siew is not only involved with gay rights movement but also Chee and SDP's human rights movement?

Finally SDP found a way to get one of their guys into Parliament! Through the back door NMP way (no pun intended!).

I dont know why you are intent on dragging the SDP down with Siew Kum Hong.

The SDP has been working with Johan Skarendal since i believe 2003. Siew kum hong has just popped into the scene only 2 yrs ago. Who is the likely mole here?
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Mr. Johan Skarendahl is the Secretary General of the Liberal Students of Sweden. He joined the Folkpartiet (Liberal Party of Sweden) youth wing in 2000. Presently, he is an international visiting fellow for the Taiwan Foundation for Democracy. - http://www.yldasia.org/site/member.php?name=Johan_Skarendahl

A swede working in taiwan and funding Sg groups in singapore?!? Now you know why bankrupt also can lead good life

Wonder if Chee's wife introduced the two.

 

[cheekenpie]

Yandao kia

He is facebook friends with CSJ, CSC, Seelan, Jaslyn Goh ....

 

[bellepepper02]

Sexual desire is a mental thing. It has nothing to do with hormones and pheromones. All the scientific research and facts are all wrong.

You so clever.

So, do rapes take place because a man's hormones are raging? Or because there is something in his psyche that causes him to do it?

When you get turned on by a porn movie or by a girl on the street, is it because your hormones are acting up, or because your desire has been stimulated by something you saw, which may have, in turn, triggered off memories of past encounters as well as by the desire to be with someone?

If you're saying that hormones cause sexual desire, then you can be turned on by an unattractive woman, right, or even by an animal or a doorpost simply because these happen to be around when your hormones take over you?

If hormones are the be all and end all of sexuality, then why is virtual sex satisfying for some?

Hormones and pheromones are simply the excuse men use to justify their infidelities.

 

[bellepepper02]

aiyah mere mortal humans lah...the 'institution' in and of itself is quite a sound idea for obvious reasons...but humans shall invariably drop the ball every once in in awhile...try and forgive so long as there is genuine remorse...

Don't have any problems with that. People are responsible for themselves. But won't tolerate politicians doing so. Discipline must be expected from people who want to run a nation and shape its moral culture. What I'm arguing is that a politician's job and his morality are connected. It can impact on the kind of policies and legislation he champions, especially with regard to women.

 

[MarrickG]

Found this about SDP and Sweden from their website...I wonder what is the initative?

http://www.singaporedemocrat.org/whoweare.html

The SDP is also affiliated to or working in close co-operation with:

* Alliance for Reform and Democracy in Asia (www.asiademocracy.org)
* World Movement for Democracy (www.wmd.org)
* Sweden-Singapore Initiative for Democracy
* Community of Democracies NGO Process

Mr. Johan Skarendahl is the Secretary General of the Liberal Students of Sweden. He joined the Folkpartiet (Liberal Party of Sweden) youth wing in 2000. Presently, he is an international visiting fellow for the Taiwan Foundation for Democracy. - http://www.yldasia.org/site/member.php?name=Johan_Skarendahl

A swede working in taiwan and funding Sg groups in singapore?!? Now you know why bankrupt also can lead good life

Wonder if Chee's wife introduced the two.

 

[phouse3]

I don't know what the hooha is all about over an unimportant matter.

If NCMPs are back-door MPs, then NMPs are pet-door MPs. The bar is even lower. In any case, NMPs are appointed by cheng hu lang upon the recommendation of cheng hu lang.

It's time to "be aware". Join a political party and stand for election. If not, please "shut up and sit down". NMP scheme is a compartmentalised game of playing "inclusive". That's why we have a beauty queen, union queen, social queen, etc. This boh moh just doesn't fit in. He has become boh yong because there is going to be a lesbo queen, a real one.

 

[scroobal]

Unfortunately, being the first 3 may not mean the person is 4.

Saying so, I am not saying PAP MPs are in a high moral ground, which is exactly why the opposition needs to be different.

Just that PAP has managed to hide all their philanderers including the last high profile cabinet appointment and if we the voters don't see the uneven playing field, we end up with the status quo.

Tactically shortsighted but morally brave. Jehavah Witness mentality - let others do the killing while our hands are clean.

 

[lockeliberal]

Dear Perspective

If competing on the PAP term's and strongest ground is all the opposition can think of then I am afraid I am better of resigned to a permanent PAP dominance with no effective voice for the alternative. You are not thinking hard enough or out of the box enough if in order to sell to the electorate you can only cry the same tune as the PAP.

1. How can u compete with the PAP in being whiter than white, purer than pure when the Power of the Press is effectively in their hands.

2. Experience tells u that from JB to Tan Bing Seng, to James Gomez, to TLH
they will seek to discredit the opposition through the smallest flaw possible.

3. Its a historical given, tried and tested from the PAP textbook through GE after GE.

4. If one's response is that we should seek whiter than white candidates or more moral candidates to defeat the PAP nit picking then I am afraid the opposition is like the proverbial ostrich in the sand.

5. Think out of the box, think bullet proofing the candidate and the party, think JBJ who could still threaten the PAP despite the m&d they threw at him.




Locke

 

[Perspective]

Dear Perspective

If competing on the PAP term's and strongest ground is all the opposition can think of then I am afraid I am better of resigned to a permanent PAP dominance with no effective voice for the alternative. You are not thinking hard enough or out of the box enough if in order to sell to the electorate you can only cry the same tune as the PAP.

1. How can u compete with the PAP in being whiter than white, purer than pure when the Power of the Press is effectively in their hands.

2. Experience tells u that from JB to Tan Bing Seng, to James Gomez, to TLH
they will seek to discredit the opposition through the smallest flaw possible.

3. Its a historical given, tried and tested from the PAP textbook through GE after GE.

4. If one's response is that we should seek whiter than white candidates or more moral candidates to defeat the PAP nit picking then I am afraid the opposition is like the proverbial ostrich in the sand.

5. Think out of the box, think bullet proofing the candidate and the party, think JBJ who could still threaten the PAP despite the m&d they threw at him.




Locke

Locke, with your skewed reasoning, just be resigned to a permanent PAP dominance. Because I am not expecting too much except that the opposition makes sense of what they do.

Many thing can be a drivel but public spats within an opposition party is something that PAP has never done despite being bigger and it seems the opposition still can't get it. I figure if they don't even know how to have a sense of gratitude to those who were with them in battle (because they don't understand one can't do it alone), who joined a party where the people in control appreciated them enough to promote them to cadres and field them as candidates so that their own power can be "threatened" for the sake of renewal, but instead try to destroy their former parties, most people would then prefer to stick to the PAP. After all, if they can show ingrate to those who if not for them they would be nowhere, maybe they would show the same ingrate to their voters when they're elected. I wonder if that is so hard to understand.

Not all the examples you brought up were "smallest flaws". It's up to the opposition to behave, not to a perfect extent but not to a self-inflicted extent. There are things very easily avoidable. And you'd honestly think people in the PAP never put in effort in that? Or you think there wasn't more dirt the opposition has than the PAP media could have dug up if they wanted to. You're underestimating your opponent and if you thought out of the box, you wouldn't. That's probably why the opposition never succeeded.

 

[lockeliberal]

Dear Perspective

I believe that we are confusing the issue here.

1. Firstly my position has been that the opposition cannot try to be whiter than white purer than pure when it comes to marketing its candidates against a PAP candidate. Thus my opposition to your statement that "morals and principles" are the only selling points the opposition has.


2. Second is the issue with "ambitious" "backstabbing" political wannabe's the opposition seems to attract in droves. I believe that "ambition" , "smart" " backstabbing" and "politician" are synomous and we should not expect politicians to be anything less than true to their real nature.

3. The question is not whether one can recruit a "saint" a hard working opposition candidate who is willing to work for the greater good but is not ambitious or less than ambitious and willing to sacrifice , but rather a case of managing and being able to manage the ambitious , the smart and the driven ones.


4. I believe that the smart ones are driven, are ambitious and are willing to be used by any opposition party just as much as the party is using them. The question is one of management of that bunch of over inflated whiny egos or a opposition culture which only seeks docile people who are grateful for being given "cadres". I have never ever seen a "happy brand of brothers" in any developed democracy but rather more a consistent case of managed over priced egos.