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Serious Open letter to Ong Ye Kung on covid19 and vaccines

that's rich coming from someone who trusted a nobody on YouTube

stick to peddling porn and fake news. leave medical science to grown ups .

And you should stop pretending to be a Mr Know All on a subject which you only have a basic knowledge about at best.

Covid is an evolving disease and a moving target. You should accept that it is a learning experience for everyone "experts" included.
 
And you should stop pretending to be a Mr Know All on a subject which you only have a basic knowledge about at best.

Covid is an evolving disease and a moving target. You should accept that it is a learning experience for everyone "experts" included.
sure

tell that to the 4 Boards that passed me

did Youtube pass you ?
 
but I really don't blame u

you run a 3 ring circus to entertain retards and often times have to stoop low to be relevant to them

keeps you in business
 
And you should stop pretending to be a Mr Know All on a subject which you only have a basic knowledge about at best.

Covid is an evolving disease and a moving target. You should accept that it is a learning experience for everyone "experts" included.
Actually so many diseases are "evolving diseases".

Someone posted something about idiots claim to know everything while the wise man knows what he does not?

When it comes to the human body or anything that was not made by man i think man doesnt know very much actually.
 
sure

tell that to the 4 Boards that passed me

did Youtube pass you ?

I have scant regard for any number of boards who pass someone who think that there is no difference between natural immunity and vaccine induced immunity.

I suggest you appear before a few more boards in order to upgrade your credentials.
 
D) What is our current immunity status. Being vaxxed doesn't guarantee immunity. Likewise, being unvaxxed doesn't mean you are vulnerable. Shouldn't we test immunity directly before continuing on this mass vaccination spree? There is also a chance that unvaxxed individuals who have acquired natural immunity can be negatively affected by an additional vaccination. Getting a direct assessment of our nation's current immunity by testing for immunoglobin levels seems quite pertinent.


govt wants people to self-test for Covid19.
 
I have scant regard for any number of boards who pass someone who think that there is no difference between natural immunity and vaccine induced immunity.

I suggest you appear before a few more boards in order to upgrade your credentials.
that coming from a quack is the highest compliment :biggrin:
 
that coming from a quack is the highest compliment :biggrin:

You need to learn to take criticism in a mature way instead of lashing out at the messenger and then attempting to hide further shortcomings with lame humor.

In the meantime please request that your esteemed board members of all 4 of your world renowned and highly acclaimed boards review this study in order to debunk or confer legitimacy to the findings.




https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1.full.pdf

Comparing SARS-CoV-2 natural immunity to vaccine-induced immunity:
reinfections versus breakthrough infections

Sivan Gazit, MD MA1,2*; Roei Shlezinger, BA1; Galit Perez, MN MA2; Roni Lotan,
PhD2; Asaf Peretz, MD1,3; Amir Ben-Tov, MD1,4; Dani Cohen, PhD4; Khitam
Muhsen, PhD4; Gabriel Chodick, PhD MHA2,4; Tal Patalon, MD1,2

*Corresponding author.

1Kahn Sagol Maccabi (KSM) Research & Innovation Center, Maccabi Healthcare
Services, Tel Aviv, 68125, Israel.
2 Maccabitech Institute for Research and Innovation, Maccabi Healthcare Services,
Israel.
3Internal Medicine COVID-19 Ward, Samson Assuta Ashdod University Hospital,
Ashdod Israel.
4Sackler Faculty of Medicine, School of Public Health, Tel Aviv University, Tel
Aviv, Israel.

The authors declare they have no conflict of interest.
Funding: There was no external funding for the project.

Corresponding author: Sivan Gazit, [email protected], 27 HaMared street, Tel Aviv,
68125, Israel

All rights reserved. No reuse allowed without permission. (which was not certified by peer review) is the author/funder, who has granted medRxiv a license to display the preprint in perpetuity.
The copyright holder for this preprintthis version posted August 25, 2021. ; https://doi.org/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415doi: medRxiv preprint
NOTE: This preprint reports new research that has not been certified by peer review and should not be used to guide clinical practice.
Abstract

Background:

Reports of waning vaccine-induced immunity against COVID-19 have begun to
surface. With that, the comparable long-term protection conferred by previous
infection with SARS-CoV-2 remains unclear.

Methods:

We conducted a retrospective observational study comparing three groups: (1)SARS-
CoV-2-naïve individuals who received a two-dose regimen of the BioNTech/Pfizer
mRNA BNT162b2 vaccine, (2)previously infected individuals who have not been
vaccinated, and (3)previously infected and single dose vaccinated individuals. Three
multivariate logistic regression models were applied. In all models we evaluated four
outcomes: SARS-CoV-2 infection, symptomatic disease, COVID-19-related
hospitalization and death. The follow-up period of June 1 to August 14, 2021, when
the Delta variant was dominant in Israel.

Results:

SARS-CoV-2-naïve vaccinees had a 13.06-fold (95% CI, 8.08 to 21.11) increased risk
for breakthrough infection with the Delta variant compared to those previously
infected, when the first event (infection or vaccination) occurred during January and
February of 2021. The increased risk was significant (P<0.001) for symptomatic
disease as well. When allowing the infection to occur at any time before vaccination
(from March 2020 to February 2021), evidence of waning natural immunity was
demonstrated, though SARS-CoV-2 naïve vaccinees had a 5.96-fold (95% CI, 4.85 to
7.33) increased risk for breakthrough infection and a 7.13-fold (95% CI, 5.51 to 9.21)
increased risk for symptomatic disease. SARS-CoV-2-naïve vaccinees were also at a
greater risk for COVID-19-related-hospitalizations compared to those that were
previously infected.

Conclusions:

This study demonstrated that natural immunity confers longer lasting and stronger
protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization caused by the
Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2, compared to the BNT162b2 two-dose vaccine-induced
immunity. Individuals who were both previously infected with SARS-CoV-2 and
given a single dose of the vaccine gained additional protection against the Delta
variant.
 
You need to learn to take criticism in a mature way instead of lashing out at the messenger and then attempting to hide further shortcomings with lame humor.

In the meantime please request that your esteemed board members of all 4 of your world renowned and highly acclaimed boards review this study in order to debunk or confer legitimacy to the findings.




https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1.full.pdf

Comparing SARS-CoV-2 natural immunity to vaccine-induced immunity:
reinfections versus breakthrough infections

Sivan Gazit, MD MA1,2*; Roei Shlezinger, BA1; Galit Perez, MN MA2; Roni Lotan,
PhD2; Asaf Peretz, MD1,3; Amir Ben-Tov, MD1,4; Dani Cohen, PhD4; Khitam
Muhsen, PhD4; Gabriel Chodick, PhD MHA2,4; Tal Patalon, MD1,2

*Corresponding author.

1Kahn Sagol Maccabi (KSM) Research & Innovation Center, Maccabi Healthcare
Services, Tel Aviv, 68125, Israel.
2 Maccabitech Institute for Research and Innovation, Maccabi Healthcare Services,
Israel.
3Internal Medicine COVID-19 Ward, Samson Assuta Ashdod University Hospital,
Ashdod Israel.
4Sackler Faculty of Medicine, School of Public Health, Tel Aviv University, Tel
Aviv, Israel.

The authors declare they have no conflict of interest.
Funding: There was no external funding for the project.

Corresponding author: Sivan Gazit, [email protected], 27 HaMared street, Tel Aviv,
68125, Israel

All rights reserved. No reuse allowed without permission. (which was not certified by peer review) is the author/funder, who has granted medRxiv a license to display the preprint in perpetuity.
The copyright holder for this preprintthis version posted August 25, 2021. ; https://doi.org/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415doi: medRxiv preprint
NOTE: This preprint reports new research that has not been certified by peer review and should not be used to guide clinical practice.
Abstract

Background:

Reports of waning vaccine-induced immunity against COVID-19 have begun to
surface. With that, the comparable long-term protection conferred by previous
infection with SARS-CoV-2 remains unclear.

Methods:

We conducted a retrospective observational study comparing three groups: (1)SARS-
CoV-2-naïve individuals who received a two-dose regimen of the BioNTech/Pfizer
mRNA BNT162b2 vaccine, (2)previously infected individuals who have not been
vaccinated, and (3)previously infected and single dose vaccinated individuals. Three
multivariate logistic regression models were applied. In all models we evaluated four
outcomes: SARS-CoV-2 infection, symptomatic disease, COVID-19-related
hospitalization and death. The follow-up period of June 1 to August 14, 2021, when
the Delta variant was dominant in Israel.

Results:

SARS-CoV-2-naïve vaccinees had a 13.06-fold (95% CI, 8.08 to 21.11) increased risk
for breakthrough infection with the Delta variant compared to those previously
infected, when the first event (infection or vaccination) occurred during January and
February of 2021. The increased risk was significant (P<0.001) for symptomatic
disease as well. When allowing the infection to occur at any time before vaccination
(from March 2020 to February 2021), evidence of waning natural immunity was
demonstrated, though SARS-CoV-2 naïve vaccinees had a 5.96-fold (95% CI, 4.85 to
7.33) increased risk for breakthrough infection and a 7.13-fold (95% CI, 5.51 to 9.21)
increased risk for symptomatic disease. SARS-CoV-2-naïve vaccinees were also at a
greater risk for COVID-19-related-hospitalizations compared to those that were
previously infected.

Conclusions:

This study demonstrated that natural immunity confers longer lasting and stronger
protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization caused by the
Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2, compared to the BNT162b2 two-dose vaccine-induced
immunity. Individuals who were both previously infected with SARS-CoV-2 and
given a single dose of the vaccine gained additional protection against the Delta
variant.
and you need to accept your station as nothing more than a layperson grasping at straws in an attempt to sound vaguely reputable

you know how to Google papers . I clap for you.

Retrospective non randomised trial with sample size unknown. Certified not peer reviewed. I clap for you again.

One paper out of Israel . How does that alter the change of management for the pandemic ?

The authors might as well post their findings on this sewer of a forum and be endorsed by a charlatan like you.

Stick to porn, Sam... stick to porn ....
 
My theory is that because Sweden did not shut down schools last year and deployed far less social distancing and masking measures the virus therefore spread widely amongst the young with the majority of cases being asymptomatic because the alpha variant was pretty benign in the under 40s.

Now that the Delta variant has come along it seems to have far more detrimental effect on the young compared to the original alpha. However because immunity induced by catching the alpha variant is superior to vaccine immunity the delta spread in Sweden is a lot slower.
makes sense, early exposure to less virulent strain leading to better immunity against subsequent mutations.

vaccines are supposed to achieve a similar effect.

only a supremely confident government would dare to take the path the Swedes took. no hope for our 61% government to take that bold path.
 
and you need to accept your station as nothing more than a layperson grasping at straws in an attempt to sound vaguely reputable

you know how to Google papers . I clap for you.

Retrospective non randomised trial with sample size unknown. Certified not peer reviewed. I clap for you again.

One paper out of Israel . How does that alter the change of management for the pandemic ?

The authors might as well post their findings on this sewer of a forum and be endorsed by a charlatan like you.

Stick to porn, Sam... stick to porn ....

Gee you certainly are stubborn. You should embrace information rather than just try to discredit the source simply because it does not support your understanding of things. All your retorts so far have been nothing more than snarky remarks directed either towards me or to the source which implies, of course, that you know far better having been baptised by no less than 4 boards.

Sadly sticking to the official line while ignoring evidence to the contrary has been become a norm rather than an exception.

You sound exactly like the doctors that @nayr69sg describes. Ego driven with a false sense of superiority over their peers and lesser mortals.

You don't know everything. Be humble and open minded it will make you a better person.
 
Gee you certainly are stubborn. You should embrace information rather than just try to discredit the source simply because it does not support your understanding of things. All your retorts so far have been nothing more than snarky remarks directed either towards me or to the source which implies, of course, that you know far better having been baptised by no less than 4 boards.

Sadly sticking to the official line while ignoring evidence to the contrary has been become a norm rather than an exception.

You sound exactly like the doctors that @nayr69sg describes. Ego driven with a false sense of superiority over their peers and lesser mortals.

You don't know everything. Be humble and open minded it will make you a better person.
and you are the typical ignoramus who read papers at face value and think it's the gospel truth

no one ever taught you critical thinking in school.

no wonder you are the leader of this flock of retards who are eager to suck your dick and believe in fake science and howling at the moon

you can't take me calling you out for what you are, either ban me or ignore me

otherwise go get yourself an education
 
That's the point Boss Leongsam made. You're knowledge about this pandemic is as good as the next idiot.
so what wisdom do you have about this pandemic that makes you less an idiot ?

Google papers and read them upside down like your boss Sam?
 
and you are the typical ignoramus who read papers at face value and think it's the gospel truth

no one ever taught you critical thinking in school.

no wonder you are the leader of this flock of retards who are eager to suck your dick and believe in fake science and howling at the moon

you can't take me calling you out for what you are, either ban me or ignore me

otherwise go get yourself an education

And you are one of those who thinks too highly of yourself just because you are 4x board certified.

I have no problems with you providing your inputs. You are the one who can't stand someone your perceive to be a layman calling you out for your obvious lack of humility and refusal to accept evidence to the contrary.
 
And you are one of those who thinks too highly of yourself just because you are 4x board certified.

I have no problems with you providing your inputs. You are the one who can't stand someone your perceive to be a layman calling you out for your obvious lack of humility and refusal to accept evidence to the contrary.
yes I do think highly of myself because I am 4 x board certified

that's why you should know you are way out of your depth here challenging me

I eat Google experts like you for breakfast throughout my career and lived to tell the tale.

Get used to it
 
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