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Only USA can lift Global Economy - MM Lee

GoFlyKiteNow

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Singapore's years of breakneck growth may be over.
The Star. 12 June 2009

SINGAPORE: This speck on the map leapt from poverty to First World riches in a generation. Now its halcyon years of breakneck growth may be over.

Ask none other than Lee Kuan Yew, the man who oversaw Singapore's transformation from a malarial outpost of the British Empire to a modern city-state churning out hard-drives, medicines and deepwater oil rigs for export.

Now Singapore's top customers - the U.S., Japan and Europe - are mired in the biggest global slump since World War II and may take years to recover their normal growth.

Lee, currently an adviser to his son, prime minister Lee Hsien Loong, acknowledges it's improbable that China along with other Asian nations can pick up the slack.

It will take "decades" for Asians to shake off their traditional caution and tendency to save rather than spend, he says.

"The Chinese always believe there may be an earthquake. So do the Japanese," Lee said last month in Japan.

"We'll have to wait for the American economy," he said.

Fellow Asian "tigers" Taiwan, Hong Kong and South Korea have also been hammered by the global crisis.

But Singapore is the most dependent on trade, with exports equal to a whopping 185 percent of gross domestic product.

As a result, the Southeast Asian city-state is reeling from its deepest recession since splitting from a short-lived federation with neighboring Malaysia in 1965.

The International Monetary Fund forecasts GDP to shrink 10 percent in 2009, the most of any major Asian economy.

So far, there are few signs the downturn is threatening the ruling party's five-decade hold on power.

The People's Action Party, which engineered yearly growth averaging 7.7 percent since 1961, is also doing what it can to soften the blows.

Officials are aiming to boost tourism with two casinos and promoting the island as a private banking haven for wealthy foreigners but concede no amount of tinkering can eliminate the tiny nation's weaknesses.

Singapore's 4.8 million population, 683 square kilometers of land - a fourth the size of Luxembourg - and lack of natural resources leave it with little choice but to sway with the global winds of trade and finance.

A speech by the prime minister this week welcomed the creation of a high-level committee to plot fresh directions for the economy.

Yet it offered nothing new by touting Singapore as a base for corporate head offices and center for biotechnology research and drugs production.

Considerable hopes are also pinned on financial services as a bilingual Chinese-English work force and political stability have spawned a busy wealth management sector.

But after years of promoting its finance industry, Singapore does not yet rival Hong Kong as a regional financial center.

"The road ahead will be difficult. First we have to see through this global economic storm. Beyond that, we face a new world," Lee Hsien Loong said.

Many economists expect the U.S. to emerge from recession later this year, but say the strength of the recovery is uncertain.

U.S. consumer spending may take several years to return to pre-crisis levels as Americans pay down debt and build savings.

"U.S. consumers seem to be undergoing a change in mind-set for the first time in a generation or two," said Quentin

Fitzsimmons, a fund manager for London-based Threadneedle said "You shouldn't look to the U.S. consumer to lead us out of this recession."

The collapse in demand for Singapore's exports is already putting pressure on wages. Growth in real household incomes slowed to 5.7 percent in 2008 from 7.5 percent the previous year while incomes of the bottom 10 percent of households stagnated even with increased government aid for the poor.

GDP per person this year is expected to slide to about $32,000 from nearly $37,700 last year.

Analysts at Credit Suisse predict an exodus of 200,000 foreign professionals and other workers from the island, adding to a collapse in house prices.

Singaporeans still flock to the swanky malls that line Orchard Road, a shopping strip famous in the region.

But they mostly eyeball the luxury goods rather than buy.

"Right now, I don't feel like I can afford Fendi," said Yolanda Wong, a 27-year-old accountant, as she window shopped at the Italian designer fashion store.

"I still have my job, but when I see other people losing their jobs or taking pay cuts, it makes me afraid and want to save," she said.

Freddie Lim, manager of a boutique selling watches with prices as high as $1 million Singapore dollars ($692,000), said sales are down 20 to 30 percent.

"Our regular customers, who may buy several watches a year when the economy is good, are telling us they are worried about the future and putting off big purchases. People say this downturn could last three years," he said.

The government has sought to stem layoffs and keep living standards from slipping by dipping into its $174 billion pot of international reserves for the first time to help finance a $13 billion fiscal stimulus package.

It is subsidizing the wages of the lowest paid workers.

Officials, meanwhile, have pledged to remain faithful to low-tax policies that have successfully attracted foreign investment.

Even so, the return of Singapore's once booming growth hinges on the big developed economies bouncing back strongly in the next two years, said Selena Ling, an economist with OCBC, a leading bank in Singapore.

"The golden age of growth may be past," she said. - AP
 

downgrader

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I REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND, why must consume consume and consume in order to boost economy

We can actually consume LESS and live BETTER if we have the right outlook towards life
 

Eurekas

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PAP is an overrated government. The high GDP growth is not completely attibuted by this government as USA, China, Europe and even the rich businessmen of Indonesia set up business, park money in banks and buy our houses. I think being too dependant on exports in dangerous, makes up especially vulnerable with the outside economy. We should focus more on internal consumption and give more benefits to the low wage workers. I believe a mojority of Singapore will prefer a lower GDP growth rate but the economy more immune to tsunami and benefit those people in the lower and middle income rather than high economic growth rate that results in 10% increase in the income of the elites and highflyers but the wages of lower and middle class stagnating.
 

tonychat

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Lee, currently an adviser to his son, prime minister Lee Hsien Loong, acknowledges it's improbable that China along with other Asian nations can pick up the slack.

This is the funny part, running sinkieland is a famiLEE affair. And you need someone to advise a prime minister and that is his father.
 

tonychat

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I REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND, why must consume consume and consume in order to boost economy

We can actually consume LESS and live BETTER if we have the right outlook towards life

Because economy can only grow when people spend. But why should we when the one who run it is the famiLEE who do not respect the citizen except himself.

To protest, we will spend less. Wanna spend? go up north.

That can be the best way for sinkies to protest.
 

GoFlyKiteNow

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I REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND, why must consume consume and consume in order to boost economy

We can actually consume LESS and live BETTER if we have the right outlook towards life

The present global economic model is GROWTH BASED.
Thus consumerism is the backbone of such economic models.
( of course the downside is - waste, waste and waste is an essential factor in consumerism..however meaningless that is.)

The present anti globalization drive is against such a GROWTH based economic model. Especially there is only that much the planet earth can produce for 9 billion consumerist population that is growing still )
 
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UpYoz_olo

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I REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND, why must consume consume and consume in order to boost economy

We can actually consume LESS and live BETTER if we have the right outlook towards life

Who's stopping you? Places that offer alternatives are:


Bhutan (top of the list in the happiness index);
Timbuktu;
Ivory Coast;
East Timor;

etc...

:oIo:
 

PAPsupporter

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Singapore's years of breakneck growth may be over.

As long as our great PAP government is around, this would not be possible. Singapore will slowly pick up (in fact it is already) the pace of the downturn to continue its continuous development and success. Well done Legend Lee and the great PAP government. :smile:
 

singveld

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he said it

China, Japan, Taiwan, Singapore, Europe all depend on USA.

everyone is nothing if not for the Amercian.
 

franker

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IF all depend on USA..

Why the fxxk we need this stupid top paid 1st world government.

We all just go under USA la..

Fxxking idiot... when talk about economy, give stupid execuse. When come to democracy than said we have our own system cannot follow the west..
 

makapaaa

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Then why are the Papayas the PAID like GOD?

Singapore's World Records
On this small island lives the 30 best-paid politicians in the world, comments a blogger. MySingaporeNews.
Apr 3, 2009
As the economic crisis worsens and thousands are being retrenched, the huge salaries of Singapore's political leaders have come under the spotlight not only here - but overseas.
With G20 leaders gathering in London to work out solutions to the global crisis, the Times compiled a list of "the 10 best-paid politicians in the world" - naturally with Singapore's Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong taking the top spot.
The story was picked up by The Australia, which also works out their salaries when ranked against population.
Mr Lee earns S$3.76 million (US$2.47 million) a year, excluding bonuses, allowances, pensions, etc which add on a significant bit.
This is about 54 cents per head of population. In second position was his counterpart from New Zealand at 9 cents. The rest of the world are all down there, below even the lowest-ranking minister in Singapore.
But Singaporean blogger redbean's "My Singapore News" carries a calculation from its reader, Green Peas, expanding on the UK and Australian reports.
It pointed out that the world's 30 best-paid politicians (a definition that will include ministers, elected president, etc) are all from Singapore.
Here's what the blogger says:
The TOP 30 highest paid politicians in the world are all from Singapore:
1. Elected President SR Nathan - S$3.9 million.
2. Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong - S$3.8 million.
3. Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew - S$3.5 million.
4. Senior Minister Goh Chok Thong - S$3.5 million.
5. Senior Minister Prof Jayakumar - S$3.2 million.
6. DPM & Home Affairs Minister Wong Kan Seng - S$2.9 million.
7. DPM & Defence Minister Teo Chee Hean - $2.9 million
8. Foreign Affairs Minister George Yeo - S$2.8 million.
9. National Development Minister Mah Bow Tan - S$2.7 million.
10. PMO Miniser Lim Boon Heng - S$2.7 million.
11. Trade and Industry Minister Lim Hng Kiang - S$2.7 million.
12. PMO Minister Lim Swee Say - S$2.6 million.
13. Environment Minister & Muslim Affairs Minister Dr Yaccob Ibrahim - S$2.6 million.
14. Health Minister Khaw Boon Wan - S$2.6 million.

15. Finance Minister S Tharman - S$2.6 million.
16. Education Minister & 2nd Minister for Defence Dr Ng Eng Hen - S$2.6 million.
17. Community Development Youth and Sports Minister - Dr Vivian Balakrishnan - S$2.5 million.
18. Transport Minister & 2nd Minister for Foreign Affairs Raymond Lim Siang Kiat - S$2.5 million.
19. Law Minister & 2nd Minister for Home Affairs K Shanmugam - S$2.4 million.
20. Manpower Minister Gan Kim Yong - S$2.2 million.
21. PMO Minister Lim Hwee Hwa - S$2.2 million.
22. Acting ICA Minister - Lui Tuck Yew - S$2.0 million.
23 to 30 = Senior Ministers of State and Ministers of State - each getting between S$1.8 million to S$1.5 million.
Note: 1. The above pay does not include MP allowances, pensions and other sources of income such as Directorship, Chairmnship, Advisory, Consultancy, etc to Gov-linked and gov-related organisations or foreign MNCs such as Citigroup, etc.
2. Though it is based on an estimate, the data cannot be far off the official salary scales.
The above was posted in redbeanforum by Green Peas.
(London Times report: http://timesbusiness.typepad.com/mon...the-world.html)
 

funglung

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Then why are the Papayas the PAID like GOD?

Singapore's World Records
On this small island lives the 30 best-paid politicians in the world, comments a blogger. MySingaporeNews.
Apr 3, 2009
As the economic crisis worsens and thousands are being retrenched, the huge salaries of Singapore's political leaders have come under the spotlight not only here - but overseas.
With G20 leaders gathering in London to work out solutions to the global crisis, the Times compiled a list of "the 10 best-paid politicians in the world" - naturally with Singapore's Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong taking the top spot.
The story was picked up by The Australia, which also works out their salaries when ranked against population.
Mr Lee earns S$3.76 million (US$2.47 million) a year, excluding bonuses, allowances, pensions, etc which add on a significant bit.
This is about 54 cents per head of population. In second position was his counterpart from New Zealand at 9 cents. The rest of the world are all down there, below even the lowest-ranking minister in Singapore.
But Singaporean blogger redbean's "My Singapore News" carries a calculation from its reader, Green Peas, expanding on the UK and Australian reports.
It pointed out that the world's 30 best-paid politicians (a definition that will include ministers, elected president, etc) are all from Singapore.
Here's what the blogger says:
The TOP 30 highest paid politicians in the world are all from Singapore:
1. Elected President SR Nathan - S$3.9 million.
2. Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong - S$3.8 million.
3. Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew - S$3.5 million.
4. Senior Minister Goh Chok Thong - S$3.5 million.
5. Senior Minister Prof Jayakumar - S$3.2 million.
6. DPM & Home Affairs Minister Wong Kan Seng - S$2.9 million.
7. DPM & Defence Minister Teo Chee Hean - $2.9 million
8. Foreign Affairs Minister George Yeo - S$2.8 million.
9. National Development Minister Mah Bow Tan - S$2.7 million.
10. PMO Miniser Lim Boon Heng - S$2.7 million.
11. Trade and Industry Minister Lim Hng Kiang - S$2.7 million.
12. PMO Minister Lim Swee Say - S$2.6 million.
13. Environment Minister & Muslim Affairs Minister Dr Yaccob Ibrahim - S$2.6 million.
14. Health Minister Khaw Boon Wan - S$2.6 million.

15. Finance Minister S Tharman - S$2.6 million.
16. Education Minister & 2nd Minister for Defence Dr Ng Eng Hen - S$2.6 million.
17. Community Development Youth and Sports Minister - Dr Vivian Balakrishnan - S$2.5 million.
18. Transport Minister & 2nd Minister for Foreign Affairs Raymond Lim Siang Kiat - S$2.5 million.
19. Law Minister & 2nd Minister for Home Affairs K Shanmugam - S$2.4 million.
20. Manpower Minister Gan Kim Yong - S$2.2 million.
21. PMO Minister Lim Hwee Hwa - S$2.2 million.
22. Acting ICA Minister - Lui Tuck Yew - S$2.0 million.
23 to 30 = Senior Ministers of State and Ministers of State - each getting between S$1.8 million to S$1.5 million.
Note: 1. The above pay does not include MP allowances, pensions and other sources of income such as Directorship, Chairmnship, Advisory, Consultancy, etc to Gov-linked and gov-related organisations or foreign MNCs such as Citigroup, etc.
2. Though it is based on an estimate, the data cannot be far off the official salary scales.
The above was posted in redbeanforum by Green Peas.
(London Times report: http://timesbusiness.typepad.com/mon...the-world.html)




SINGKIES ARE FORCED TO PAY THAT FUCKHEAD LEE KUAN YEW AND HIS STINKING COCKROACHES MINISTERS MORE THAN THE ENTIRE G8 COUNTRIES PAID THEIR PRESIDENTS AND MINISTERS COMBINED




HOI

HOW ELSE DID BASTARD LEE KUAN YEW GOT FROM YOU ALL THAT 400-500++ BILLIONS INTO HIS TEMASICK AND GIC?

EVEN MORE HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS INTO HIS RESERVES




Sinkies got no balls
You all dare not stand with those that tried to speak for you.
SO HOW MANY TRIED TO SPEAK FOR YOU NOW?

You all dare not give money to them so that they can work for you.
SO HOW MANY CAN WORK FOR YOU NOW?

You all dare not support them publicly so that they can speak for you.
SO HOW MANY PUBLICLY SPEAK FOR YOU NOW?

You all turn your backs on those that spoke out bravely against LKY
LKY hit out at those who tried to speak for you with his kangaroo courts
You turn your backs and not support them with money and courage.


SO HOW MANY TRIED TO SPEAK FOR YOU NOW?
SO HOW MANY CAN WORK FOR YOU NOW?
SO HOW MANY PUBLICLY SPEAK FOR YOU NOW?


You let them be beaten and bankrupted because you all have no balls
NOW YOU GETTING YOUR BALLS CUT OFF FROM YOU AND YOU AND YOUR FAMILY RAPED AND FUCKED BY LEE KUAN YEW AND HIS COCKROACHES IN WHITE


Why complain now?

Your 400-500++ billions sucked and bled into LKY Temasick and GIC

And even more billions are currently sucked and bled so that LKY can use those money to bastardised and pay his kangaroo courts and running dogs to bleed even more billions from you in future

You got what you all deserved
for your lack of balls


FIND YOUR BALLS TO PUT AN END TO LKY

or open your legs to be further screwed by him
 

longbow

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He should re-phrase - growth of world economy was carried on the backs of US consumers, financed by the Chinese.

Today - US consumer all tapped out and China is less willing to finance US debt. So the formula no longer works. The nations that will suffer the most are the developed exporting nations, Germany, japan. These countries produce top of the line, luxury products - not entirely in sync with current env. They need to create a more robust internal consumption model.

The slack from the US can be taken up by China and India. These countries are beginning to be able to afford the less expensive consumer goods, cars, computers & parts, cheaper LCD TV,washing machine, a/c, nicer clothing and shoes - that type of stuff. China will do well because it is number 1 manufacturer for such items. In this era of tight credit (money is there but banks are wary to lend) and uncertain future no one is willing to put in a $1B LCD plan in India or Vietnam when they already have the plants in China. So I see the Chinese manufacturing juggernaut will continue unchallenged for the next 10 years.
 

GoFlyKiteNow

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He should re-phrase - growth of world economy was carried on the backs of US consumers, financed by the Chinese.

Today - US consumer all tapped out and China is less willing to finance US debt. So the formula no longer works. The nations that will suffer the most are the developed exporting nations, Germany, japan. These countries produce top of the line, luxury products - not entirely in sync with current env. They need to create a more robust internal consumption model.

The slack from the US can be taken up by China and India. .

It was the US consumer and his debts that purchased Chinese goods in the first place. No US consumer, no export orders for China and hence no income.
This fact is apparent now, from the large number of Chinese factories that have closed down and tens of millions of workers put out of jobs and the continuous fall in China's export figures almost every month to date to date.

Hence, the Chinese did not have the finance in the first place. It was the US consumer that provided the export market for China all these years enabling it to have hgh growth rates of 10% - which now has fallen to 6%, mainly driven by internal spending (of its reserves) to prop up the economy.
 

kingrant

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Who's stopping you? Places that offer alternatives are:


Bhutan (top of the list in the happiness index);
Timbuktu;
Ivory Coast;
East Timor;

etc...

:oIo:

Right! Can even add e.g. Northern Thailand or parts of Indonesia. Just migrate there and buy a big piece of land and turn it into a farm. Grow yr own food: vegetables, fruit trees, rice, and live without money cos you can eat and drink without needing to buy groceries at NTUC/Cold Storage/Giant etc. But prepare to work yr ass off since you wont have money to pay live-in workers, unless you can grow a surplus to feed them always. Go back to feudal life and if you need money to travel out of yr farm, do barter trades and soon you'll be re-inventing Adam Smith and mercantilism and the modern economy and déja vu all over!!
 

singveld

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This is Legal control corruption.
Better than african illegal corruption
but not as good as some country proper gov.


Then why are the Papayas the PAID like GOD?

Singapore's World Records
On this small island lives the 30 best-paid politicians in the world, comments a blogger. MySingaporeNews.
Apr 3, 2009
As the economic crisis worsens and thousands are being retrenched, the huge salaries of Singapore's political leaders have come under the spotlight not only here - but overseas.
With G20 leaders gathering in London to work out solutions to the global crisis, the Times compiled a list of "the 10 best-paid politicians in the world" - naturally with Singapore's Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong taking the top spot.
The story was picked up by The Australia, which also works out their salaries when ranked against population.
Mr Lee earns S$3.76 million (US$2.47 million) a year, excluding bonuses, allowances, pensions, etc which add on a significant bit.
This is about 54 cents per head of population. In second position was his counterpart from New Zealand at 9 cents. The rest of the world are all down there, below even the lowest-ranking minister in Singapore.
But Singaporean blogger redbean's "My Singapore News" carries a calculation from its reader, Green Peas, expanding on the UK and Australian reports.
It pointed out that the world's 30 best-paid politicians (a definition that will include ministers, elected president, etc) are all from Singapore.
Here's what the blogger says:
The TOP 30 highest paid politicians in the world are all from Singapore:
1. Elected President SR Nathan - S$3.9 million.
2. Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong - S$3.8 million.
3. Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew - S$3.5 million.
4. Senior Minister Goh Chok Thong - S$3.5 million.
5. Senior Minister Prof Jayakumar - S$3.2 million.
6. DPM & Home Affairs Minister Wong Kan Seng - S$2.9 million.
7. DPM & Defence Minister Teo Chee Hean - $2.9 million
8. Foreign Affairs Minister George Yeo - S$2.8 million.
9. National Development Minister Mah Bow Tan - S$2.7 million.
10. PMO Miniser Lim Boon Heng - S$2.7 million.
11. Trade and Industry Minister Lim Hng Kiang - S$2.7 million.
12. PMO Minister Lim Swee Say - S$2.6 million.
13. Environment Minister & Muslim Affairs Minister Dr Yaccob Ibrahim - S$2.6 million.
14. Health Minister Khaw Boon Wan - S$2.6 million.

15. Finance Minister S Tharman - S$2.6 million.
16. Education Minister & 2nd Minister for Defence Dr Ng Eng Hen - S$2.6 million.
17. Community Development Youth and Sports Minister - Dr Vivian Balakrishnan - S$2.5 million.
18. Transport Minister & 2nd Minister for Foreign Affairs Raymond Lim Siang Kiat - S$2.5 million.
19. Law Minister & 2nd Minister for Home Affairs K Shanmugam - S$2.4 million.
20. Manpower Minister Gan Kim Yong - S$2.2 million.
21. PMO Minister Lim Hwee Hwa - S$2.2 million.
22. Acting ICA Minister - Lui Tuck Yew - S$2.0 million.
23 to 30 = Senior Ministers of State and Ministers of State - each getting between S$1.8 million to S$1.5 million.
Note: 1. The above pay does not include MP allowances, pensions and other sources of income such as Directorship, Chairmnship, Advisory, Consultancy, etc to Gov-linked and gov-related organisations or foreign MNCs such as Citigroup, etc.
2. Though it is based on an estimate, the data cannot be far off the official salary scales.
The above was posted in redbeanforum by Green Peas.
(London Times report: http://timesbusiness.typepad.com/mon...the-world.html)
 

singveld

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so reckless borrowing are the only way to save the world.
ask harry lee to retire, because his economic is a F.
 

longbow

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Goflykite - you forgot to add "and for USA to consume they need the Chinese to finance their spending habits. afterall why do you think Obama is in US? To make sure that Chinese will continue to lend".

US consumers are saving 1 to 3% of their income. How much more can they spend? They pretty much spend every dollar they make. US Gov (the other spender) is spending $2 for every $1 of tax revenue. They would have lost this ability to spend if it were not for the Chinese G buying their debt.

So even in best scenario, US has little room to increase their spending.

The best bright hope for spending actually comes from China. The Chinese are saving 40% of their income. With a rapidly growing affluence (just go see number of Louis Vuitton outlets, number of Porsche, Rolls Royces sold in China) this is a mountain of spending power. Just imagine, China is now the world's largest auto market and they have the highways to support this auto growth (after all no point in buying a car if you have no proper highway system).

So I have to disagree with MM.
 
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