% of Singaporeans who voted for PAP for the last 9 Elections

[kakowi]

Giving some people 3 votes and others 1 vote...

You change the votes or you change the voters

or both

Despite grcs, changing the boundaries, little pre-election baits, threats of unrest and uncorruption, etc etc, the voters could still have voted alternative.

what alternative?

and i am not even asking which alternative

 

[wizard]

Honestly I see little changes unless old man die. Then the crouching tigers and hidden dragons will appear. They are just reserving their bullets.


However I see that it will go below 66% ignoring how they manipulate the boundry. Those in their 60-70 are dieing. They are hard core fans of PAP. You cannot blame them, during those time. Any goverment that can stabilised things are good and the PAP does it. Caution- No just LKY alone.

Therefore the new voters are internet savy and their source of infor is not restricted to strait time or rather PAP news letter has already write off PAP by comparing the infor in strait time and their blogs and so on.

However the new PAP are a brunch of wimps. Scholars who are on express lane in goverment sectors or private sectors. Carried balls etc..

I dun see any leadership in them exept that they are 100% obedient to old man.

I personally will vote for any opposition to do people in Hougang and potong pasir some justice for their punishment to vote according to their conscience and until there is no GRC.

 

[TeeKee]

I dun see any leadership in them exept that they are 100% obedient to old man.

doesn't this provide more opportunities for political sieges?

anybody can be Indian chief...

dang reminds me of ancient China, after a great leader pass away...

国家四分五裂!

 

[Ramseth]

doesn't this provide more opportunities for political sieges?

anybody can be Indian chief...

dang reminds me of ancient China, after a great leader pass away...

国家四分五裂!

I thought that's the idea, multi-party democracy?

 

[scroobal]

I agree. This is one observation that seem to be held right across the spectrum and even among foreigners.

Honestly I see little changes unless old man die. .

 

[jw5]

Do you know the meaning of Hobson's Choice. It very close to that.

If you can describe the crimes that JBJ, Tang and Seow committed, I can make an assessment if you are politically clued in or have no clue why they removed from the political area.

Its not that voters are scared. They actually are not well informed and genuinely think that these chaps committed a crime. Voters rights to vote are not based on IQ and intelligence. If the incumbents paints a negative picture of potential political threats and with state monopolised press, people actually think that they have little choice but to vote for PAP. Look at Yaw of WP. He is not scared but he voted for the PAP while standing against in another ward. We are dealing with quite some dumb people.

Old man took out 4 medical doctors in 1963. One he banished to Malaysia, 2 were kept incarceration for many years and one ended being the second longest serving detainee. The other was a nephew of Lee Kong Chian.

Guess what? JBJ, Tang and Seow are lawyers. Notice that 4 doctors and 3 lawyers were taken out. Why do think that happenned.

What's left - signboard shop proprietor, a bankrupt, a half baked consultant and with hope an economist/fund manager.

Old man realised early to take out the smart ones and rich ones early. The ones he met at the book launch ceremony recently were not the smartest tools in the shed and they had to draw an income to survive. Why you think Chian Thye Poh was not there. The guy is very well educated. A university lecturer.

In life, you got to connect the dots. Never assume people are scared.

Ok then, perhaps I said "scared" because I didn't want to say "stupid" or "ignorant", which is another way to say that they are "not informed".
Like it or not, I think this simply proves that oldman is very clever right? Ot at least cleverer than most of the people here.

 

[kingrant]

For this coming election, I predict the 66% of PAP votes will drop to 56% if we only use the actual economic standing or his perception of it, as a voter as the single most important factor in the decision of vote.

I gauge that the top 40% will still vote PAP as they are still well to do or perceive themselves as well to do. However, those from the 41st percentile to the 66th percentile, there may actually be a decrease in their economic sranding or the perception of it. Let's say half of this 26% vote opposition. This means there will be a shift of 13%. Hence 66% - 13% = 53%.

Howver, of the 33% poor, there may be a 3% change for those who move abit up the economic ladder.

Hence 53% plus 3% = 56%.

A lot of guesswork made to sound very professorial, not professional.

Give us yr proof for the numbers, not yr gut feel. Empty data is cheap.

 

[scroobal]

Bro, he is new and I sense that he is not cluely on the political front. I note that he is keen to participate but unable to grasp the issues. Since he can't grasp it, he thinks you are trying to fool him.

A lot of guesswork made to sound very professorial, not professional.

Give us yr proof for the numbers, not yr gut feel. Empty data is cheap.

 

[scroobal]

Agree. Like all shrew politicians, he realised very early that he only has to fool the majority and with a compliant press, they are continue to be ill informed.

If you look at history, he always went after the intellectuals. Note how he came out on the Viswa issue. He claimed that he needed to protect the Malay rights but till today no one has clue what those malay rights are. The press obviously were not directed to explain.

Ok then, perhaps I said "scared" because I didn't want to say "stupid" or "ignorant", which is another way to say that they are "not informed".
Like it or not, I think this simply proves that oldman is very clever right? Ot at least cleverer than most of the people here.

 

[Equalisation]

A lot of guesswork made to sound very professorial, not professional.

Give us yr proof for the numbers, not yr gut feel. Empty data is cheap.

Bro ...Read my first sentence .... I "predict" .....and do you venture to predict or rather sit on the fence and yelp ...??

 

[kingrant]

.........He claimed that he needed to protect the Malay rights but till today no one has clue what those malay rights are. The press obviously were not directed to explain.

There are no more Malay special rights. He has stripped them all away with his harping on meritocracy etc. He uses the issue for political mileage whenever it is convenient and profitable for him to do so, trying to hypocritically project to the Malays as a hero and champion of their position and rights. He knows he has the Malay community leaders thumbed down and muzzled so they can't make noise or he can threaten them for exploiting racial issues. He likes to scare his audiences by hyping up the issue to either a life and death one or a national one, so appearing very noble. In truth, he is like any petty politician over eager to protect his own interests and power.

Look at the ethnic identities of the immigrants and the whole immigration of FT policy. It is aimed at stuffing the non-Malay races with overwhelming numbers ASAP so that the imbalance in reproductivity rate is corrected. What he said is very telling - the economy and Singapore will go down if the Chinese and Indians become a minority.

 

[kingrant]

Bro ...Read my first sentence .... I "predict" .....and do you venture to predict or rather sit on the fence and yelp ...??

Predict, forecast, telling fortune whatever...it is still guessing.

Those numbers....tell us how you guessed, er, predicted them..why not more, or less?

Or you heard voices? Stared down at yr tea cup? Visited the Middle Road temple?

Or you had charts? straw polls? studies? focus groups? even espionage?

 

[SamuelStalin]

There are no more Malay special rights. He has stripped them all away with his harping on meritocracy etc. He uses the issue for political mileage whenever it is convenient and profitable for him to do so, trying to hypocritically project to the Malays as a hero and champion of their position and rights. He knows he has the Malay community leaders thumbed down and muzzled so they can't make noise or he can threaten them for exploiting racial issues. He likes to scare his audiences by hyping up the issue to either a life and death one or a national one, so appearing very noble. In truth, he is like any petty politician over eager to protect his own interests and power.

Look at the ethnic identities of the immigrants and the whole immigration of FT policy. It is aimed at stuffing the non-Malay races with overwhelming numbers ASAP so that the imbalance in reproductivity rate is corrected. What he said is very telling - the economy and Singapore will go down if the Chinese and Indians become a minority.

Interesting speech, but Indians have ALWAYS been a minority. :p

 

[SamuelStalin]

Predict, forecast, telling fortune whatever...it is still guessing.

Those numbers....tell us how you guessed, er, predicted them..why not more, or less?

Or you heard voices? Stared down at yr tea cup? Visited the Middle Road temple?

Or you had charts? straw polls? studies? focus groups? even espionage?

Guessing versus knowing. So how much do you know? How much do you know from your armory of mostly statistical data that is also researched by others where you are not involved other than playing the typical consumer role?

 

[SamuelStalin]

Bro ...Read my first sentence .... I "predict" .....and do you venture to predict or rather sit on the fence and yelp ...??

"A good detective must often make guesses" - Sherlock Holmes

If you know, it would be the best. If you don't, you guess or from your experience set, predict. And the more you keep at it, the more accurate you would be.

 

[kingrant]

"A good detective must often make guesses" - Sherlock Holmes

If you know, it would be the best. If you don't, you guess or from your experience set, predict. And the more you keep at it, the more accurate you would be.

This thread is about the actual number of people who got to vote in the past 9 elections under the current restrictive highly manipulated electoral regime that favours the incumbent and handicaps the challenger.

The argument here is that if all the GRCs are converted back into single wards, the Opposition (provided they can field in every ward in a straight fight between an opp party and PAP) could be returned with an increase in number of seats won in Parliament. Not every seat will be won, but I daresay even in the wards lost by the Opp, the votes garnered by the Opp. or the votes against the PAP will have increased. Added together, it shld be surely much more than the 33% that we have now.

I will argue that the political landscape will be a sea change if all constituencies get a chance to vote with no walkovers and something like more than 40% voted for the Opp. and the number of Opp seats goes up to like 5-10!

Of course, when the result actually happens, the PAP will as usual ring lots of alarm bells, make open and veiled threats about yr loss of foreign investors, drop in HDB property values, slowdown in economy and job losses (as if we are now in full employment!), rise in uncertainty, etc. Down the road, they'll hatch more plots and invoke more processes to deny the Opp from making more headways - in other words, begin to fix them!

 

[kingrant]

So the gist of my argument is:

A higher percentage gets to actually vote and then what's more, we'll see the more representative picture of the number who voted for the PAP will get to fall, not increase.
This is because I sense the potential anti-PAP votes that were erstwhile latent in walkover GRCs will explode forth with pentup force.

Of cos, you may argue that there can also be more PAP votes, but that's yr- and people like Equalisation's -prerogative to disagree.