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songsongjurong

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Re: Construction of controversial columbarium under way despite mp promising dialogue

of course, land sold, money collected, PAP cannot afford to offend these commercial entities... heck, some PAP MPs might be sitting as Board of Directors !

eventual 'occupants' of columbarium will be phantom voters of the PAP !
 

johnny333

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Re: Construction of controversial columbarium under way despite mp promising dialogue

of course, land sold, money collected, PAP cannot afford to offend these commercial entities... heck, some PAP MPs might be sitting as Board of Directors !

eventual 'occupants' of columbarium will be phantom voters of the PAP !


Who knows some of these companies might be owned by Temasek & we all know which family owns Temasek.
 

makapaaa

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GMS: FAP Tried to Mask Ang Moh Commercial Columbarium As "Chinese Temple"!

[h=1]THE NEW SENGKANG WEST COLUMBARIUM IS DISRESPECTFUL TO BUDDHISM![/h]
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When I first read about the Chinese Temple-Columbarium saga at Sengkang West, the first instinctive responses I had were:

1) The buyers of BTO and residents in Sengkang West are being hoodwinked by HDB's scheming omission of critical material information on this columbarium and using "Chinese Temple" as a decoy.
2) It is totally inappropriate to allow a commercial entity to run a religious entity. I shall elaborate in this article.
3) The columbarium service is supposedly an ANCILLARY service to the Chinese Temple but in the end, it has become the main focus of the commercial entity, an Australian Public Listed company Life Corporation.

When a land is gazetted for religious use, naturally it means that it is not for commercial use. Especially in this case, when it says the land is for Chinese Temple, then in Singapore's context, a Chinese Temple is mean to be run by a registered organization or society under Registrar of Society (ROS). A religious organization like a Chinese Temple or any Churches that receive tithes are governed by the Charity Act. According to the ruling of High Court, any organization that advance religion will have to be classified as Charity. The governing body is Commissioner of Charities.

However, according to the tender information posted on HDB website, Life Corp has won the tender via a private limited company.


If you read carefully, all other bidders of land meant for Chinese Temple are religious organizations or groups registered in Singapore ROS. Eternal Pure Land Pte Ltd. wholly owned by Life Corporation, is the only commercial entity which won the tender. Although it tries very hard to have a name that sound "Buddhist" but in essence, it is a private limited company.

The only other exception is the land slated for Chinese Temple/Funeral Parlour at Bedok North Ave 4. Even for that, it is a bid offered by a combination of a commercial entity and a temple association. (This may become another big hoohaa for Bedok residents if it is situated right in the centre of the HDB estate but I doubt so. It should be situated near the industrial park.) To provide funeral parlour service definitely need the involvement of commercial entity.

Look at the other two bidders for the same plot of land at Sengkang West here.


They are both religious organizations registered in Singapore!

It is highly inappropriate and most probably against the law/regulation for HDB to allow a commercial entity to bid and win the tender for land meant for religious purpose. In fact, it is utterly disrespectful for HDB to allow a commercial entity to "make money" by using the name of Buddhism here.

Throughout the decade, we have seen how Singaporeans are irked by the various scandals arising from inappropriate or mismanage of funds by the respective religious leader of both Buddhist and Christian organizations (i.e. monk Mingyi of Renci and pastors of City Harvet). Funds gather by religious entities are expected to be treated as donations for charity and use in enhancing religious and spiritual cause, other than daily operation expenses. That is why religious groups, be it temples or churches, will need to be governed by Charity Act and the Commissioner of Charities.

Especially for serious Buddhists who observe the precepts, we expect monks to be Role Model of human beings and not businessman. We call those who make use of Buddhism to make money or serve their own material desires, "Business Monks". Yes, we do not have much respect for these "Business Monks", other than the fact that they are just human beings in robes. We detest these "Business Monks" who give our belief, the teaching of Buddha, such a bad name.

For most Buddhist Temples that provide columbarium service, they provide such service to their devotees as a public service in return for a fee just for maintaining the operation cost of their temples. These are NON-Profit organizations, unlike what Life Corporation and its subsidiaries, Eternal Pure Land and SFS are thinking of. Columbarium is really just an ANCILLARY service while TEMPLE function is the main key focus.
Look at the various statements Life Corporation has filed to theAustralian Stock Exchange. ALL its statements posted there were about how it will enhance its earnings by having this opportunity to enhance its PREMIUM funeral services provided by its Singapore Funeral Services Care (SFS). Example of such statement is as follows:



It is obvious and expected that Life Corporation as a public listed commercial entity will be more excited and focus in how much money the columbarium can bring it. And to understand it a bit further, SFS is a company that provides PREMIUM Funeral Services with Mercedes as their hearse! It basically means that their services are meant for filthy rich people and I do not think they are going to provide its intended "state of the art columbarium" service to layman. It is basically a very lucrative BUSINESS to them, not the normal PUBLIC SERVICE kind of columbarium offered by traditional registered Buddhist temples.

I believe the Singapore Buddhist Federation must be extremely upset and unhappy. HDB has just allowed someone to make use of the name of Buddhism for commercial profiteering. This will ultimately make Buddhism look extremely bad! Buddhism is about the teaching of Buddha, not meant to be used as a commercial front to make money!. This is utterly disrespectful, if not blasphemy in essence. Rightfully so. No one, not staunch believer of any religion, would want their religion to be made used for making money. Religion, is after all, spiritual in nature.




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I believe the tender for this land should be void and null. This land is only slated for Chinese Temple. It is not meant for commercial use. It is already a breach of the land use and LFC is profit oriented entity which cannot be classified under "Charity". If it was to be classified as "Charity", all its earnings from this Chinese Temple will have to be regarded as revenue for non-profit organization and should not be recorded as earnings for Life Corporation.

HDB and URA should do the right thing to right the wrong. It is totally disrespectful for HDB to allow a private commercial entity to make use the name of Buddhism to make money. Technically speaking, Eternal Pure Land should be disqualified for its tender because it doesn't qualify to be the rightful entity to run a religious place of worship, Chinese Temple.
It is really unfortunate that for a government statutory board like HDB, it lacks the sensitivity and strict regulation on who can and who cannot bid for land of different usage. Land slated for religious purpose alone will obviously require a more stringent qualification and criteria to make sure that whoever bid for that land, has the necessary qualification and ability to run the intended religious function meant for the land.

Coupled with the serious fault of omission of critical material information in its sales brochures, HDB has actually made two terrible mistakes in a row. Although HDB has put up a disclaimer on the brochures but HDB should not shy away from its responsibility of omission. The brochures did not specifically state "columbarium" but only "ANCILLARY" services which was not clearly defined in the brochure itself (only on URA website).

I would consider the first fault of disrespectful of Buddhism more SERIOUS than the omission of critical information to the BTO buyers. But nevertheless, HDB should be accountable for both of their mistakes. Null and void the tender to LFC, at the same time, make concessions to the BTO buyers in whatever ways possible.

Goh Meng Seng
*The author blogs at http://singaporealternatives.blogspot.sg
 

sochi2014

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Re: Construction of controversial columbarium under way despite mp promising dialogue

Smelling BBQ body is good.

At least you wont be afraid of ghosts. Because you smelled their BBQ bodies before.

Like being the gestpo officer in Nazi concentration camps.
 

laksaboy

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Re: GMS: FAP Tried to Mask Ang Moh Commercial Columbarium As "Chinese Temple"!

Letting one political party monopolise all the power and blurring the lines between business and politics. This is the inevitable consequence.

I'm no fan of GMS but he speaks the truth here. Essentially, the HDB or URA has done what you might call a 'bait-and-switch'.

Also, it seems like dead people are going to compete with the living for space in an already overcrowded environment. Well done, Lee Hsien Loong. You should take off your silly balloon hat and put on a dunce cap. :rolleyes:
 

Leongsam

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Re: Construction of controversial columbarium under way despite mp promising dialogue

Smelling BBQ body is good.

At least you wont be afraid of ghosts. Because you smelled their BBQ bodies before.

Like being the gestpo officer in Nazi concentration camps.

Where does it say that the temple will also house a crematorium?
 

sochi2014

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Re: GMS: FAP Tried to Mask Ang Moh Commercial Columbarium As "Chinese Temple"!

It is not really scary to live beside a body oven. I have done that before. There is nothing to be scary about
 

eatshitndie

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Re: GMS: FAP Tried to Mask Ang Moh Commercial Columbarium As "Chinese Temple"!

It is not really scary to live beside a body oven. I have done that before. There is nothing to be scary about

it's an ash museum. sinkies will becum extinct, and the museum will be an appropriate shrine to house expired sinkies just in case future generations of pinoy, bangla, neh, and tiongs find it nostalgic to pay respect and show gratitude to their once generous benefactors. :biggrin:
 

JohnTan

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Re: Construction of controversial columbarium under way despite mp promising dialogue

The purpose of the dialogue is to show you how patient PAP is when dealing with childish constituents.

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hofmann

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Re: Construction of controversial columbarium under way despite mp promising dialogue

These Sinkies are just being self-centered and damned bloody selfish. Even if they were to build an Old Folks Home there, they will also protest. On the other hand, if an MRT station were to be built instead, they'll be contented like fuck, simply because the valuation of their flats will go up tremendously when the MRT station is up and running. Their main concern is MONEY. All the other excuses are just a plain smokescreen. From this, you can clearly see the evil and greed behind the current day Sinkies.

That is why I also stay away from disgusting Sinkies nowadays. If they still want the best environment, then go and stay in Sentosa Cove lah. I just love to see the PAP continuously screwing the Sinkies day-in, day-out. It also shows that the PAP is not going to be threatened by the loss of votes at the next GE.

1. selfish sinkies are just a reflection of the education they received.
2. money forever no enough
3. sentosa cove kena air pollution from many ships in the area

huat ah!
 

xpo2015

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Re: Construction of controversial columbarium under way despite mp promising dialogue

Yeah PAP are often seen engaging with children than with real adults like Ah Roy and Han Hui Hui's.
 

Goh Meng Seng

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Sengkang Columbarium - Disrespectful to Buddhism

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When I first read about the Chinese Temple-Columbarium saga at Sengkang West, the first instinctive responses I had were:<br />
<br />
1) The buyers of&nbsp; BTO and residents in Sengkang West are being hoodwinked by HDB's scheming omission of critical material information on this columbarium and using "Chinese Temple" as a decoy.<br />
<br />
2) It is totally inappropriate to allow a commercial entity to run a religious entity. I shall elaborate in this article. <br />
<br />
3) The columbarium service is supposedly an ANCILLARY service to the Chinese Temple but in the end, it has become the main focus of the commercial entity, an Australian Public Listed company Life Corporation. <br />
<br />
When a land is gazetted for religious use, naturally it means that it is not for commercial use. Especially in this case, when it says the land is for Chinese Temple, then in Singapore's context, a Chinese Temple is mean to be run by a registered organization or society under Registrar of Society (ROS). A religious organization like a Chinese Temple or any Churches that receive tithes are governed by the Charity Act. <a href="http://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=d01f7c0c-7163-4107-9120-1312a5fa6ec2" target="_blank">According to the ruling of High Court, any organization that advance religion will have to be classified as Charity.</a>&nbsp; The governing body is Commissioner of Charities.<br />
<br />
However, according to the tender information posted on <a href="https://www.hdb.gov.sg/fi10/fi10297p.nsf/ImageView/Sites%20Sold%20-%20Ancillary%20-%20Chinese%20Temple%20(CT_FP)/$file/CT_FP+Ancillary+(17+Jul+14).pdf" target="_blank">HDB website</a>, Life Corp has won the tender via a private limited company.<br />
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<a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-rUB7aC88O8Q/VKf1l-GUP6I/AAAAAAAAA7o/ZPlR5pw8iIk/s1600/Bids%2Bfor%2BChinese%2BTemple.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-rUB7aC88O8Q/VKf1l-GUP6I/AAAAAAAAA7o/ZPlR5pw8iIk/s1600/Bids%2Bfor%2BChinese%2BTemple.jpg" height="340" width="640" /></a></div>
If you read carefully, all other bidders of land meant for Chinese Temple are religious organizations or groups registered in Singapore ROS. Eternal Pure Land Pte Ltd. wholly owned by Life Corporation, is the only commercial entity which won the tender. Although it tries very hard to have a name that sound "Buddhist" but in essence, it is a private limited company.<br />
<br />
The only other exception is the land slated for Chinese Temple/Funeral Parlour at Bedok North Ave 4. Even for that, it is a bid offered by a combination of a commercial entity and a temple association. (This may become another big hoohaa for Bedok residents if it is situated right in the centre of the HDB estate but I doubt so. It should be situated near the industrial park.) To provide funeral parlour service definitely need the involvement of commercial entity. <br />
<br />
Look at the other two bidders for the same plot of land at Sengkang West here.<br />
<br />
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<a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-NjXPndal0OI/VKgDolQqPSI/AAAAAAAAA8I/svP8Xn8z08c/s1600/Bid%2Bfor%2BSengkang%2BColumbarium.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-NjXPndal0OI/VKgDolQqPSI/AAAAAAAAA8I/svP8Xn8z08c/s1600/Bid%2Bfor%2BSengkang%2BColumbarium.jpg" height="308" width="640" /></a></div>
They are both religious organizations registered in Singapore!&nbsp;&nbsp; <br />
<br />
It is highly inappropriate and most probably against the law/regulation for HDB to allow a commercial entity to bid and win the tender for land meant for religious purpose. In fact, it is utterly disrespectful for HDB to allow a commercial entity to "make money" by using the name of Buddhism here.<br />
<br />
Throughout the decade, we have seen how Singaporeans are irked by the various scandals arising from inappropriate or mismanage of funds by the respective religious leader of both Buddhist and Christian organizations (i.e. monk Mingyi of Renci and pastors of City Harvet). Funds gather by religious entities are expected to be treated as donations for charity and use in enhancing religious and spiritual cause, other than daily operation expenses. That is why religious groups, be it temples or churches, will need to be governed by Charity Act and the Commissioner of Charities.<br />
<br />
Especially for serious Buddhists who observe the precepts, we expect monks to be Role Model of human beings and not businessman. We call those who make use of Buddhism to make money or serve their own material desires, "Business Monks". Yes, we do not have much respect for these "Business Monks", other than the fact that they are just human beings in robes. We detest these "Business Monks" who give our belief, the teaching of Buddha, such a bad name.<br />
<br />
For most Buddhist Temples that provide columbarium service, they provide such service to their devotees as a public service in return for a fee just for maintaining the operation cost of their temples. These are NON-Profit organizations, unlike what Life Corporation and its subsidiaries, Eternal Pure Land and SFS are thinking of. Columbarium is really just an ANCILLARY service while TEMPLE function is the main key focus.<br />
<br />
Look at the various statements Life Corporation has filed to the <a href="http://www.asx.com.au/asx/statistics/announcements.do?by=asxCode&amp;asxCode=LFC&amp;timeframe=D&amp;period=M6" target="_blank">Australian Stock Exchange</a>. ALL its statements posted there were about how it will enhance its earnings by having this opportunity to enhance its PREMIUM funeral services provided by its Singapore Funeral Services Care (SFS).<a href="http://www.asx.com.au/asxpdf/20140721/pdf/42qxtpx8ywq661.pdf" target="_blank"> Example of such statement</a> is as follows:<br />
<br />
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<a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ZIHmq23CMXg/VKf9L6Wk2vI/AAAAAAAAA74/J_u0uJcKFh0/s1600/LFC%2Bannouncement.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ZIHmq23CMXg/VKf9L6Wk2vI/AAAAAAAAA74/J_u0uJcKFh0/s1600/LFC%2Bannouncement.jpg" height="640" width="580" /></a></div>
<br />
It is obvious and expected that Life Corporation as a public listed commercial entity will be more excited and focus in how much money the columbarium can bring it. And to understand it a bit further, <a href="http://www.sfs.com.sg/funeral-product-and-services/" target="_blank">SFS is a company that provides PREMIUM Funeral Services with Mercedes as their hearse</a>!&nbsp; It basically means that their services are meant for filthy rich people and I do not think they are going to provide its intended "state of the art columbarium" service to layman. It is basically a very lucrative BUSINESS to them, not the normal PUBLIC SERVICE kind of columbarium offered by traditional registered Buddhist temples.<br />
<br />
I believe the Singapore Buddhist Federation must be extremely upset and unhappy. HDB has just allowed someone to make use of the name of Buddhism for commercial profiteering. This will ultimately make Buddhism look extremely bad! Buddhism is about the teaching of Buddha, not meant to be used as a commercial front to make money!. This is utterly disrespectful, if not blasphemy in essence. Rightfully so. No one, not staunch believer of any religion, would want their religion to be made used for making money. Religion, is after all, spiritual in nature.<br />
<br />
I believe the tender for this land should be void and null. This land is only slated for Chinese Temple. It is not meant for commercial use. It is already a breach of the land use and LFC is profit oriented entity which cannot be classified under "Charity". If it was to be classified as "Charity", all its earnings from this Chinese Temple will have to be regarded as revenue for non-profit organization and should not be recorded as earnings for Life Corporation.<br />
<br />
HDB and URA should do the right thing to right the wrong. It is totally disrespectful for HDB to allow a private commercial entity to make use the name of Buddhism to make money. Technically speaking, Eternal Pure Land should be disqualified for its tender because it doesn't qualify to be the rightful entity to run a religious place of worship, Chinese Temple.<br />
<br />
It is really unfortunate that for a government statutory board like HDB, it lacks the sensitivity and strict regulation on who can and who cannot bid for land of different usage. Land slated for religious purpose alone will obviously require a more stringent qualification and criteria to make sure that whoever bid for that land, has the necessary qualification and ability to run the intended religious function meant for the land.<br />
<br />
Coupled with the serious fault of omission of critical material information in its sales brochures, HDB has actually made two terrible mistakes in a row. Although HDB has put up a disclaimer on the brochures but HDB should not shy away from its responsibility of omission. The brochures did not specifically state "columbarium" but only "ANCILLARY" services which was not clearly defined in the brochure itself (only on URA website). <br />
<br />
I would consider the first fault of disrespectful of Buddhism more SERIOUS than the omission of critical information to the BTO buyers. But nevertheless, HDB should be accountable for both of their mistakes. Null and void the tender to LFC, at the same time, make concessions to the BTO buyers in whatever ways possible.<br />
<br />
Goh Meng Seng<br />
<br />
<br />
 

danielsim

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Re: Construction of controversial columbarium under way despite mp promising dialogue

Once it's decided, it's hard to retract back the decision
 

laksaboy

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Re: Construction of controversial columbarium under way despite mp promising dialogue

This is taking place even as the PAP MP Lam Pin Min says he is holding a dialogue with residents on the issue.

Remember the 'casino debate'? Sinkies have really short term memory.

Talk is cheap. If you want to stop the columbarium, do a sit-in on the site, sabotage the construction equipment, or beat up the developers. Action speaks louder than words.
 

JohnTan

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Generous Asset
Re: Construction of controversial columbarium under way despite mp promising dialogue

Remember the 'casino debate'? Sinkies have really short term memory.

Talk is cheap. If you want to stop the columbarium, do a sit-in on the site, sabotage the construction equipment, or beat up the developers. Action speaks louder than words.

This columbarium is going ahead. Period.

If you want to prevent future repeat of such incidents, stop voting for PAP. Politicians take notice and take decisive action when they lose enough votes to be voted out. That simple logic seems to defy the simpleton sinkies.
 

eatshitndie

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Re: Construction of controversial columbarium under way despite mp promising dialogue

This columbarium is going ahead. Period.

If you want to prevent future repeat of such incidents, stop voting for PAP. Politicians take notice and take decisive action when they lose enough votes to be voted out. That simple logic seems to defy the simpleton sinkies.

oppos will not fair better. when they are in charge, they will turn green fields into permanent trade fairs, columbaria, massage parlors, reflexology centers, food courts, snack kiosks, all rolled into one chaotic mess for the purpose of rental revenue.
 

johnny333

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Re: Construction of controversial columbarium under way despite mp promising dialogue

This columbarium is going ahead. Period.

If you want to prevent future repeat of such incidents, stop voting for PAP. Politicians take notice and take decisive action when they lose enough votes to be voted out. That simple logic seems to defy the simpleton sinkies.



Any political party will only pay attention when there is a threat of being voted out. Currently the PAP think they can depend on the 60% & new Sporeans.

We will see in the next GE how much support they have left:confused:
 

Goh Meng Seng

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Generous Asset
Re: Construction of controversial columbarium under way despite mp promising dialogue

I only hope WP and its Sengkang West candidate can do something, say something at least but it is quite disappointing so far. The WP candidate actually lives in Sengkang West as well. Well, that's his choice of not doing anything.

This is an important issue on two fronts. One is the misrepresentation by omission of material facts by HDB. Secondly, religion was allowed to be made use by private commercial enterprise and land slated for religious use was commercialized.

Goh Meng Seng
 

virus

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Re: GMS: FAP Tried to Mask Ang Moh Commercial Columbarium As "Chinese Temple"!

it's an ash museum. sinkies will becum extinct, and the museum will be an appropriate shrine to house expired sinkies just in case future generations of pinoy, bangla, neh, and tiongs find it nostalgic to pay respect and show gratitude to their once generous benefactors. :biggrin:

It's the temple of golden urn. Just like tempLe of golden horse. How many pilmage goes there dressed likr Indiana Jones?
 

virus

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Re: Construction of controversial columbarium under way despite mp promising dialogue

I only hope WP and its Sengkang West candidate can do something, say something at least but it is quite disappointing so far. The WP candidate actually lives in Sengkang West as well. Well, that's his choice of not doing anything.

This is an important issue on two fronts. One is the misrepresentation by omission of material facts by HDB. Secondly, religion was allowed to be made use by private commercial enterprise and land slated for religious use was commercialized.

Goh Meng Seng

When ypu busy burning bridges with tjem. Why should they offer to help you to stand out n tand on yr behest. B yr own man.
 
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