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Lordshiva

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Re: Sengkang "temple" - 3 Day Old $1 Company Can Win HDB Tender

Actually, right now, one of the directors of Cordlife is Dr. Goh jin Hian, son of Goh Chok Tong and the twin brother of the Sarong party girl daughter who married the brit angmo and now living in London. Also, another director is a Mr. Ho Sheng. Perhaps cousin or some other relative or Ho Ching ? But Life Corp claims they are not related to Cordlife.

If this is not CRONY CAPITALISM then I dont know wtf else to call it....



WTF IS THE CPIB DOING ABOUT THIS?



or they joining those useless "home team" cheebyes in the ambulances and decide to do some hiding of their own????
 

ginfreely

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Re: Ridiculous - Foreign business runs a temple

Very easy to understand. Business is for profit, temple is non-profit. Business bid for land, build and rent to temple. Business make profits, temple make losses, temple ask for donations on tv. So simple you dunno.

Oic that is how a business can run temple, just build and rent to temple just like how Suntec rent auditorium to City harvest church. The Leelated are all so smart indeed to make money out of everything!
 

ginfreely

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Re: Sengkang "temple" - 3 Day Old $1 Company Can Win HDB Tender

One smart forumer in another thread has said it is to build and rent to temple. That makes sense indeed. Instead of allocating land to temple cheaply, set up $1 company to build and then rent to temple at market price or maybe if more generous, they will give rental subsidy of 50%. But the problem is market rent is $50k, after subsidy 50% still need $25k. Sounds the same as our medical subsidy.

Of course the business will run the profitable cash cow niche business. That one will not be rented out but managed by themselves. Sounds the same as kopitiam business keeping the drink stall to operate themselves but rent out other food stalls.
 

xpo2015

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Re: Sengkang "temple" - 3 Day Old $1 Company Can Win HDB Tender

It's just cemetery only! At least such things will not happen when they are all powder?

[video=youtube;sOnqjkJTMaA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOnqjkJTMaA&proxmate=us[/video]
 

Seee3

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Re: Ridiculous - Foreign business runs a temple

Very easy to understand. Business is for profit, temple is non-profit. Business bid for land, build and rent to temple. Business make profits, temple make losses, temple ask for donations on tv. So simple you dunno.
It is more probably that temple doesn't make profit and will pester govt to give cheap lease for land. When lease expired or when land is needed for development, it is very hard to evict them. May even need to find new place to accommodate them. Then came a bright chap with a plan to pass the monkey to others - by tendering out. With this move, the successful tenderer must now handle the temple people. All future problems with temple will also be passed to the successful tenderer. If the bid is high, they can earn more money which is an added bonus. Hiwever, Chinese towkays won't want to mess with their Gods, so no one interested. The only tenderer is one who doesn't believe in Taoism and therefore, dares to capitalise on Taoism to make profit.

Hope they dare to apply the same method for land designated for mosque then it is fair. Maybe they have already thought out an excuse; if tender is called, ISIS will sure to tender and will sure to offer the highest bid.
 

GoldenDragon

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Re: Ridiculous - Foreign business runs a temple

My understanding is ACRA handles business entities while religious organisations are registered with the Registrar of Societies. No grey area here.
 

Satyr

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Re: Ridiculous - Foreign business runs a temple

The catholic church is the biggest business on the face of this earth. It runs a pyramid scheme that no MLM company has ever been able to match.

The first global business and 2000 years of business experience. If you want to know the inspiration for the organization and business mindset of the PAP, look no further.
 

Goh Meng Seng

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Re: Funeral Parlour in Sengkang West? HDB Please Come Clean!

The victims of HDB's injustice have sent the following letter to Minister Khaw and PM Lee.

This is an open letter we have just sent to Minister Khaw Boon Wan for National Development and Prime Minister Lee:

To:

Mr. Khaw Boon Wan

Minister for National Development

Dear Minister,

Re: Fernvale Link Columbarium of Chinese Temple.

1. We refer to the issue of HDB awarding the land meant for Chinese Temple to a private commercial company, Eternal Pure Land Pte Ltd (EPL), owned by the Australian Public Listed company, Life Corporation Limited (LC).

2. We are a group of present and future residents of Fernvale HDB estate who will be affected by the abovementioned development. Although we have different concerns of the said project, but we have come to the following consensus and conclusions.

3. First and foremost, all of us in the group, with different religions, agree that it is totally inappropriate for a commercial company to bid for a land meant for religious use and to make money in the name of religion.

4. It is implied in the Charity Act that any organization with advancement of religion should be subjected to the Act and supervised by the Commissioner of Charities. It means that anyone who runs a Chinese Temple at Fernvale must be a non-profit organization registered with the Commissioner of Charities.

5. Apparently from the dialogue we had on last Sunday (4 Jan 2015), the representative from LC has admitted that they are not a non-profit organization or a registered religious organization.

6. This will set a very bad example and precedent for all the religious organizations in Singapore, including but not limited to Buddhist, Christians, Catholics, Hindu etc. Registered religious organizations are non-profit organizations and it is unfair for them to compete with commercial entities which have more financial power to tender for the very limited land slated for religious purposes. For the example of Chinese Temple, we notice that only 20 plots of land were slated for tender by HDB over more than two decades.

7. Moreover, the company, Eternal Pureland Pte Ltd, which won the tender, is registered as company which deals with Funeral and related activites (including embalming, Cremating and Cemetery services upkeep of cemeteries, sales of bereavement products and services). This company was incorporated only 16 days after the tender was called and it has absolutely no experience whatsoever in running a Chinese Temple.

8. We have also learned from the advertisement put up by EPL that they are marketing their niche at the price of $6,500, which is a discounted price from its original $15,000. We do not think such columbarium which put up such Premium Prices could serve ordinary HDB heartlanders like us at all.

9. Many of us have a religion and this is a grave concern to us to see the official stance of HDB in allowing religion to be “Corporatized”. We reiterate that we are against commercial companies making money in the name of religion.

10. We hope that HDB should declare the tender null and void as such practice affects all religious organizations in Singapore.

11. We hope that in the event of putting the land up for tender again, HDB could consider the combination of Chinese Temple with Childcare/Student Care. The Childcare/Student Care centre should be required to open to all races. This will serve the community well as many of the residents are young couples with kids.

12. This will be the most satisfactory and perfect solution to prevent any unwanted disruption to the many BTO buyers who were misled by HDB as well as present residents who weren’t even made known of this development at all when they bought their flats.

13. It will be totally regrettable if HDB insisted in carrying on the building of the columbarium and the Chinese Temple.

14. The reason why so many of us were caught off guard is because we have placed so much trust in a government statutory board. We have expected HDB to be transparent, open and more forthcoming with important information. We didn’t expect a reputable and biggest developer of properties like HDB would hide critical material information under ultra fine prints and vague uncertain phrases (eg. “may include”) coupled with disclaimers.

15. We believe that if there were information which could help HDB to fetch a better price for the BTOs (eg. Mall, LRT stations, amenities etc), HDB would surely have put them up prominently and affirmatively. We expect HDB to do likewise for information (eg. Columbarium) that may make the flats less attractive to most buyers and thus, fetch lower prices for HDB.

16. These are not “isolated cases” but happened in a massive scale. Thus, we feel that HDB should not treat our demand for refund without other penalties as a case by case basis. HDB should be more transparent and fair in dealing with all those who wanted a full refund.

17. We expect that HDB treats those of us who wanted a full refund fairly with the following conditions:

a) full refund of whatever deposits paid

b) no technical penalty (eg. 1 year wait) should be applied

c) priority to select alternative flats in other development.

18. We feel that this is the worst option for all of us, even if full refund is given to some. We still hope that the option of having a Chinese Temple with Childcare/Student Care could be granted as it serves almost everyone’s interests.

19. It would be utterly regrettable if HDB did not void the tender to LC and let it proceed as planned. Even worse if HDB refused to treat all of those who seek a full refund fairly.

20. We hope that you, as the Minister of the ministry, could do the right thing, not only for us but for the whole of Singapore, to set the record right by disallowing commercial entities to bid for land slated for religious purposes. Thus, void the current tender to LC.

21. As the old saying goes, Trust is hard to earn but easy to lose. In you, we trust to right the wrongs. Thank you.

Yours truly,

Present & Future Fernvale Residents
 

Goh Meng Seng

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Generous Asset
Re: Ridiculous - Foreign business runs a temple

Not too sure about Dr Patrick Tan because there are many people with such common name. But look carefully, there is a Dr Goh in the list...

http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/people/person.asp?personId=183133311&ticker=CLGL:SP&previousCapId=173988746&previousTitle=CORDLIFE%20GROUP%20LTD

Goh Jin Hian

Do you recognize him or know who he is?

Goh Meng Seng


For all that do not know Life Corp used to be known as CordLife, before they changed their name to Life Corporation,

Do you all know who is on the cordlife (now Life Corp) member of advisory board, yes its PATRICK TAN

Yes its MR Patrick Tan whose father is also known as KFC and got 12 yrs NS deferment

Do you all know who is on the cordlife (now Life Corp) member of advisory board, yes its Kanwaljit Soin

Yes its its Kanwaljit Soin the former NMP

So you say leh they bid for the can win tender or not?
 

GoldenDragon

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sleaguepunter

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Re: Construction of controversial columbarium under way despite mp promising dialogue

I only hope WP and its Sengkang West candidate can do something, say something at least but it is quite disappointing so far. The WP candidate actually lives in Sengkang West as well. Well, that's his choice of not doing anything.

Goh Meng Seng

yeah yeah.... everything also WP fault.

WP keep quiet see show kenna say disappointing. If WP say anything, will also kenna say only to score points as WP not in the power to help the potential buyers.

everything gms also win.....
 

mojito

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Re: Funeral Parlour in Sengkang West? HDB Please Come Clean!

I laughed out hard at those silly Fernvale residents and their letter to Khaw Boon Wan! Bargain until like that, PAP build kindergarden and columbrium in the same building can bo? Win-win.
 

Goh Meng Seng

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Generous Asset
Re: Construction of controversial columbarium under way despite mp promising dialogue

Let me draw a analogy here.

I wrote this in my FB about the views of some people holding pessimistic view:

Some people hold very pessimistic views about the open letter sent to Minister Khaw and PM Lee. They feel that although the residents have put up solid reasons, both Minister Khaw and PM Lee will just ignore them.
There are two issues here. First, it seems that Singaporeans in general have lost trust and confidence in PAP government to do the right thing. Secondly, I do not think their letter is useless. They have put up good reasons for all Singaporeans to see and I applaud their fighting spirit. It means that they are at least putting up effort to defend and fight for their Home and rest be assured that they will stand up again to defend their Home and Country if we were to be invaded.

If you are not ready to fight for your HOME for the injustice done by HDB, most probably you will not stay and fight for your HOME and Country if there was an invasion.

Similarly, if you are a political party with candidate contested in that constituency, but you chose not fight for the interest of the residents there, how could one expect or dream of you fighting for interests of the Country as a whole? How could the residents depend on you to represent their voice in parliament? Such simple logic.

There are people, both residents and opposition supporters (especially WP people) who booed PAP MP Lam for not standing on the side of the residents and ask for his resignation to hold by-elections... ask residents to vote him out etc. But look at the other side of the coin. Why should they vote WP if they didn't even bother to raise a squeak over this issue in support of the residents?

Goh Meng Seng






yeah yeah.... everything also WP fault.

WP keep quiet see show kenna say disappointing. If WP say anything, will also kenna say only to score points as WP not in the power to help the potential buyers.

everything gms also win.....
 

sleaguepunter

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Re: Construction of controversial columbarium under way despite mp promising dialogue

since u said so much, then you got great chance to win there next GE?

I sarpok u to put your name there.

gms, I no political ANALyst but I believe it no longer a local issue. It already exploded in papigs' face where papigs are in a lose lose situation. To bohchap the buyers will make ppl tulan and to backdown will embold the ppl to protest the next time similar issue crop up.

as for opposition parties to pass any comments, it only make them look bad as all they will be seen as only trying to score point.

u gms want to help the would-be-fernvale residents, good for you. No need to comment on what other political parties action or non action in regard to this issue.
 

johnny333

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Re: Funeral Parlour in Sengkang West? HDB Please Come Clean!

Under LHL so many of the anti-people policies are being revealed before the GE e.g. the population targets, funeral parlor in the backyard, CPF being stolen,...

LKY would have made sure that people only found about all these details AFTER the GE:biggrin:
 

Goh Meng Seng

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Generous Asset
Re: Construction of controversial columbarium under way despite mp promising dialogue

You are contradicting yourself in an attempt to be apologetic to WP's inaction.

I agree this has become a National issue, even the Federations of Taoist and Buddist have shown defiance openly. And precisely so, it has become an IMPORTANT NATIONAL POLITICAL issue as well. The absence of the biggest opposition party in Singapore, is really disappointing.

Goh Meng Seng


since u said so much, then you got great chance to win there next GE?

I sarpok u to put your name there.

gms, I no political ANALyst but I believe it no longer a local issue. It already exploded in papigs' face where papigs are in a lose lose situation. To bohchap the buyers will make ppl tulan and to backdown will embold the ppl to protest the next time similar issue crop up.

as for opposition parties to pass any comments, it only make them look bad as all they will be seen as only trying to score point.

u gms want to help the would-be-fernvale residents, good for you. No need to comment on what other political parties action or non action in regard to this issue.
 

BuiKia

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Pinky is 别问...

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Scared or not?
 

mojito

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Re: Funeral Parlour in Sengkang West? HDB Please Come Clean!

Under LHL so many of the anti-people policies are being revealed before the GE e.g. the population targets, funeral parlor in the backyard, CPF being stolen,...

LKY would have made sure that people only found about all these details AFTER the GE:biggrin:

Old guards would not have let this happen, but new guard different from old guard. New guard rewarded for loyalty, so cannot attract capable people, only left to use those who are loyal. Old guard are capable, that is why lao lee reward them well so they be loyal to him. Small lee near 60 years still dun understand simple thing, truly a dud he is.
 

sleaguepunter

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Re: Construction of controversial columbarium under way despite mp promising dialogue

mr gms, while I admit I voted for WP before but I also vote(SDA once) for any political parties as long it not pap. that dun make me a WP only supporter.

you action only make you seem like WP HATER. every darn events or issue also must pull wp into it.

if you really sincere to help those BTO buyers, just concentrate on that issue.
 
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