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#OccupyCentral thread: Give me Liberty or Give me Death!
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Re: Give me Liberty or Give me Death! Giordano Tycoon joins Occupy Central!
Highlights of dialogue between Gahbrament and student leaders
In Cantonese those who don't speak dialects can read Chinese subtitles
Those Chinese who can do neither may God help you Aligatogozaimasu
[video=youtube;34-Gbbt34EE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34-Gbbt34EE[/video]
Highlights of dialogue between Gahbrament and student leaders
In Cantonese those who don't speak dialects can read Chinese subtitles
Those Chinese who can do neither may God help you Aligatogozaimasu
[video=youtube;34-Gbbt34EE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34-Gbbt34EE[/video]
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Re: China to ban movies featuring hong kong celebrities that support the protest
Sinkie celebrities are as useless and ball-less as their fans.
[video=youtube;d1mnJRZn_z4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1mnJRZn_z4[/video]
Sinkie celebrities are as useless and ball-less as their fans.
[video=youtube;d1mnJRZn_z4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1mnJRZn_z4[/video]
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Re: UN supports HK protestors!!!
Please check your facts before you open your mouth like the student in this video.
The UN does not comment on Singapore's lack of human rights because Singapore (along with Malaysia) and about 20 other third world countries is not a signatory of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights. China is a signatory but has not ratified. In other words, the Chinese Communist Party recognises that their citizens deserve these rights but the country is not ready yet (the usual excuse). Sinkie Lightning Party on the other hand is of the view that Sinkies will NEVER be ready or deserving of these rights, so it is never going to sign that covenant and that useless bum Professor Tommy Koh did absolutely nothing to rectify this anomaly while he was Sinkieland's ambassador to the UN for donkey years. True Jiak Liao Bee!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Covenant_on_Civil_and_Political_Righ ts
Democracy is not just universal suffrage - genuine and not fake. The fact that 40% votes translated into less than 10% of seats in Parliament is clear evidence that Sinkieland has fake universal suffrage and besides democracy is much more than one man one vote. What else are needed? Watch the video and learn ... ...
[video=youtube;cJLNIFJtaHk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJLNIFJtaHk[/video]
Please check your facts before you open your mouth like the student in this video.
The UN does not comment on Singapore's lack of human rights because Singapore (along with Malaysia) and about 20 other third world countries is not a signatory of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights. China is a signatory but has not ratified. In other words, the Chinese Communist Party recognises that their citizens deserve these rights but the country is not ready yet (the usual excuse). Sinkie Lightning Party on the other hand is of the view that Sinkies will NEVER be ready or deserving of these rights, so it is never going to sign that covenant and that useless bum Professor Tommy Koh did absolutely nothing to rectify this anomaly while he was Sinkieland's ambassador to the UN for donkey years. True Jiak Liao Bee!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Covenant_on_Civil_and_Political_Righ ts
Democracy is not just universal suffrage - genuine and not fake. The fact that 40% votes translated into less than 10% of seats in Parliament is clear evidence that Sinkieland has fake universal suffrage and besides democracy is much more than one man one vote. What else are needed? Watch the video and learn ... ...
[video=youtube;cJLNIFJtaHk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJLNIFJtaHk[/video]
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Re: Give me Liberty or Give me Death! Giordano Tycoon joins Occupy Central!
done by thais?
After all the walking time for a rub
done by thais?
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Police claim Occupy protesters wearing costumes are hiding from the law
Chief Superintendent Steve Hui Chun-tak, speaking at the police’s daily press conference, says protesters who dress up are "concealing their own identities as if they were going to a carnival".
PUBLISHED : Saturday, 25 October, 2014, 8:18pm
UPDATED : Saturday, 25 October, 2014, 8:28pm
Jennifer Ngo [email protected]
Police officers arrest Occupy protester Andy Yung Wai-yib - better known as Captain America - in Mong Kok on Friday. Photo: EPA
Police on Saturday criticised protesters who dressed up when they attended the Occupy demonstrations, suggesting that their intention was to hide their identities while breaking the law.
“Some were dressed in different costumes, concealing their own identities as if they were going to a carnival. However, the fact remains that this is an unlawful assembly which has affected many people,” said Chief Superintendent Steve Hui Chun-tak at the police’s daily press conference on the movement.
Highlighting the physical confrontations that have become routine at the Mong Kok Occupy site, he lashed out at participants for being “selfish” and said what protesters were doing was contrary to what they had claimed to be “civil disobedience” and “willingness to accept the legal consequence”.
However, for Andy Yung Wai-yib – better known as Captain America at the Mong Kok protest site – dressing up was intended as a means of protecting himself and to work as a comic buffer between protesters and troublemakers, he said. It was his way of bringing creativity and peace into the civil disobedience movement, he added.
Yung was arrested on Friday and is currently out on bail. An anti-Occupy protester who was trying to clear some of the barricades fell down as Yung was trying to keep him away, he said. The police then took him away in his costume.
He returned to the protest site on Friday afternoon wearing his normal clothes, because his costume had been confiscated by the police.
“I usually come by in my costume in the afternoon and evening where incidents are known to flare-up. It helps in defusing some of the arguments, which could turn violent,” said Yung, 30, who works as a lifeguard. “I’ll be more low-key now, and will just sit with the rest of the Occupiers.”
He won’t be purchasing a replacement outfit anytime soon having being arrested once already, he said, but he would continue to support the movement.
Chief Superintendent Hui, however, said costume-wearers created more chaos than peace.
“On one hand, they asked police to protect them during confrontations. On the other hand, they willfully obstructed police in going about their duties. They even asked police only to arrest offenders who held views different from them. But when police arrested offenders who held the same views as theirs, they surrounded and verbally-abused police, charged at police and demanded the release of the offenders.
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Re: HK Govt. host televised talk with citizens rep. PAP balless with Roy & HHH
Occupy students call for pan-democrats' resignation to trigger referendum
Several lawmakers, including 'Long Hair' Leung Kwok-hung, have agreed to proposal, says Alex Chow
PUBLISHED : Saturday, 25 October, 2014, 11:52am
UPDATED : Saturday, 25 October, 2014, 6:09pm
Fanny W. Y. Fung [email protected]
Alex Chow Yong-kang, secretary general of the Hong Kong Federation of Students. Photo: EPA
Pro-democracy student activists have proposed a way to trigger a referendum on political reform – by having pan-democrat lawmakers resign in order to prompt a by-election.
Alex Chow Yong-kang, secretary general of the Hong Kong Federation of Students, said on Saturday that the by-election could serve as a platform for people to express their views on the constitutional reform package to be unveiled by the government for the 2016 and 2017 elections.
“Some of us have come up with this idea that if [lawmakers] from each of the five [geographical] constituencies resign, or if the ‘super district councillors’ resign, then the government will have to hold a territory-wide by-election, which will serve as a de facto referendum,” Chow said.
“This will give citizens a chance to express their stance over the constitutional reform proposal they are facing, or the [National People’s Congress Standing Committee’s] decision on August 31, or whether functional constituencies should stay or go,” Chow said in an interview on the TVB current affairs programme On the Record.
“These issues can all be put into the vote for interpretation,” he said.
Chow said his group was discussing the idea with pan-democrats, and some legislators had agreed so far, including League of Social Democrats chairman Leung Kwok-hung.
The city will hold Legislative Council elections in 2016 and the chief executive election in 2017, with candidates selected by a nominating committee.
HKFS, one of the three leading groups of the Occupy Central civil disobedience movement for the past month, has demanded a public nomination of candidates in 2017 and the abolition of functional constituencies, which they see as having a narrow electorate and representing the interests of business elite.
The nearly month-long Occupy protests prompted a crisis dialogue between HKFS and Chief Secretary Carrie Lam this week, but government officials stressed that scrapping Beijing’s August 31 decision and allowing a free choice of candidates in the upcoming elections would be impossible.
During the dialogue, Lam proposed setting up a platform to gauge views on long-term constitutional development beyond 2017 and to send a report to the central government on the issue – both of which failed to satisfy the protesters, who will be holding a democratic vote on a counter-proposal this Sunday at the barricaded protest camp in Admiralty.
Chow, of HKFS, said their proposal for a by-election would echo a de facto referendum in 2010 in which all citizens could participate.
That year, five legislators from the Civic Party and League of Social Democrats resigned from each of the city’s five geographical constituencies, prompting what they called a referendum on the political reform proposal that the government was then tabling for discussion.
If the legislators would be re-elected, they would see it as a signal of public support for "genuine" political reform. They were all voted back into office in May 2010 after the pro-Beijing camp boycotted the campaign and did not contest their seats.
The Democratic Party negotiated with the central government’s local liaison office and voted for an amended reform package, which was later passed.
With the pro-Beijing camp’s endorsement, the government later managed to change the electoral laws so that any legislator who resigned would be barred from running for re-election within six months.
Occupy students call for pan-democrats' resignation to trigger referendum
Several lawmakers, including 'Long Hair' Leung Kwok-hung, have agreed to proposal, says Alex Chow
PUBLISHED : Saturday, 25 October, 2014, 11:52am
UPDATED : Saturday, 25 October, 2014, 6:09pm
Fanny W. Y. Fung [email protected]
Alex Chow Yong-kang, secretary general of the Hong Kong Federation of Students. Photo: EPA
Pro-democracy student activists have proposed a way to trigger a referendum on political reform – by having pan-democrat lawmakers resign in order to prompt a by-election.
Alex Chow Yong-kang, secretary general of the Hong Kong Federation of Students, said on Saturday that the by-election could serve as a platform for people to express their views on the constitutional reform package to be unveiled by the government for the 2016 and 2017 elections.
“Some of us have come up with this idea that if [lawmakers] from each of the five [geographical] constituencies resign, or if the ‘super district councillors’ resign, then the government will have to hold a territory-wide by-election, which will serve as a de facto referendum,” Chow said.
“This will give citizens a chance to express their stance over the constitutional reform proposal they are facing, or the [National People’s Congress Standing Committee’s] decision on August 31, or whether functional constituencies should stay or go,” Chow said in an interview on the TVB current affairs programme On the Record.
“These issues can all be put into the vote for interpretation,” he said.
Chow said his group was discussing the idea with pan-democrats, and some legislators had agreed so far, including League of Social Democrats chairman Leung Kwok-hung.
The city will hold Legislative Council elections in 2016 and the chief executive election in 2017, with candidates selected by a nominating committee.
HKFS, one of the three leading groups of the Occupy Central civil disobedience movement for the past month, has demanded a public nomination of candidates in 2017 and the abolition of functional constituencies, which they see as having a narrow electorate and representing the interests of business elite.
The nearly month-long Occupy protests prompted a crisis dialogue between HKFS and Chief Secretary Carrie Lam this week, but government officials stressed that scrapping Beijing’s August 31 decision and allowing a free choice of candidates in the upcoming elections would be impossible.
During the dialogue, Lam proposed setting up a platform to gauge views on long-term constitutional development beyond 2017 and to send a report to the central government on the issue – both of which failed to satisfy the protesters, who will be holding a democratic vote on a counter-proposal this Sunday at the barricaded protest camp in Admiralty.
Chow, of HKFS, said their proposal for a by-election would echo a de facto referendum in 2010 in which all citizens could participate.
That year, five legislators from the Civic Party and League of Social Democrats resigned from each of the city’s five geographical constituencies, prompting what they called a referendum on the political reform proposal that the government was then tabling for discussion.
If the legislators would be re-elected, they would see it as a signal of public support for "genuine" political reform. They were all voted back into office in May 2010 after the pro-Beijing camp boycotted the campaign and did not contest their seats.
The Democratic Party negotiated with the central government’s local liaison office and voted for an amended reform package, which was later passed.
With the pro-Beijing camp’s endorsement, the government later managed to change the electoral laws so that any legislator who resigned would be barred from running for re-election within six months.
Re: HK's Leung: Ass Loon & Daddy Taught me Not to Trust StewPIG Peasants!
Chief Executive C Y Leung is a balls licker for the CCP. He is afraid of offending his masters and conveniently exclude China which is the worst for human rights and death penalty.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_offences_in_China
Hong Kong police 'more tolerant than those in US or Europe', says CY Leung
PUBLISHED : Saturday, 25 October, 2014, 3:44am
UPDATED : Saturday, 25 October, 2014, 2:35pm
Bryan Harris [email protected]
Chief Executive Leung Chun-ying has put forward a robust defence of the police's performance during the ongoing Occupy Central protests. Photo: EPA
Chief Executive Leung Chun-ying has put forward a robust defence of the police's performance during the ongoing Occupy Central protests, saying they had shown "patience and tolerance" not always found in Western democratic countries.
His remarks in a television interview earlier this week chimed with critics of the Occupy movement, who regularly remind protesters they could face rougher treatment at the hands of authorities in the United States or Europe.
Examples of such treatment are seemingly in abundance - from the militarised police on the streets of Ferguson, Missouri, last month after the shooting of black teenager to the death of Ian Tomlinson, a newspaper vendor who was struck and killed by a police officer in London while he was walking home during the 2009 G20 protests.
On Saturday, riot police and tear gas were deployed on the streets of Keene, a sleepy town in the US state of New Hampshire, after drunken college students descended on a nearby pumpkin festival. Dozens were injured when a mob overturned cars and threw projectiles.
Hong Kong's student demonstrators, on the other hand, have remained almost entirely peaceful throughout the course of their occupation. The images of Hong Kong police launching tear gas onto the streets of Admiralty on the evening of September 28 shocked many primarily because of the inoffensive nature of the student protesters.
That shock probably intensified after October 15 when TVB aired a video showing a group of plainclothes police dragging protester Ken Tsang away from the main crowds in Admiralty before kicking and hitting him.
Although that incident was beamed around the world painting an image of Hong Kong police for some, Law Yuk-kai, director of Human Rights Monitor, said the use of tear gas was "an unprecedented deviation of normal police practices".
The last time tear gas was used in Hong Kong was against a group of militant South Korean farmers who flew into the city to protest at the World Trade Organisation meetings in 2005. Some 34 canisters of tear gas were used during the WTO protests compared with 87 fired at the student protesters last month.
"I experienced the use of tear gas during the WTO protests in 2005 and the behaviour of the police was very different," Amnesty International Hong Kong director Mabel Au said.
"Then, the police fired into the sky, but this time they fired into the ground. It's very dangerous as it can land on protesters' bodies."
Au added that the behaviour of the Hong Kong police was unpredictable, saying it was not clear why police were choosing to use certain weapons.
However, a group of peers from Britain's House of Lords last week defended Hong Kong's policing methods, describing them as "largely proportionate".
One recent protest that draws the most obvious parallels with the city's Occupy demonstrations was the Sunflower movement in Taiwan in March.
Authorities in Taipei cracked down on the students after they briefly occupied the Executive Yuan - the governing cabinet's office. Dozens of people were arrested as police deployed water cannons and batons. However, the authorities there did not resort to tear gas.
Chief Executive C Y Leung is a balls licker for the CCP. He is afraid of offending his masters and conveniently exclude China which is the worst for human rights and death penalty.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_offences_in_China
Hong Kong police 'more tolerant than those in US or Europe', says CY Leung
PUBLISHED : Saturday, 25 October, 2014, 3:44am
UPDATED : Saturday, 25 October, 2014, 2:35pm
Bryan Harris [email protected]
Chief Executive Leung Chun-ying has put forward a robust defence of the police's performance during the ongoing Occupy Central protests. Photo: EPA
Chief Executive Leung Chun-ying has put forward a robust defence of the police's performance during the ongoing Occupy Central protests, saying they had shown "patience and tolerance" not always found in Western democratic countries.
His remarks in a television interview earlier this week chimed with critics of the Occupy movement, who regularly remind protesters they could face rougher treatment at the hands of authorities in the United States or Europe.
Examples of such treatment are seemingly in abundance - from the militarised police on the streets of Ferguson, Missouri, last month after the shooting of black teenager to the death of Ian Tomlinson, a newspaper vendor who was struck and killed by a police officer in London while he was walking home during the 2009 G20 protests.
On Saturday, riot police and tear gas were deployed on the streets of Keene, a sleepy town in the US state of New Hampshire, after drunken college students descended on a nearby pumpkin festival. Dozens were injured when a mob overturned cars and threw projectiles.
Hong Kong's student demonstrators, on the other hand, have remained almost entirely peaceful throughout the course of their occupation. The images of Hong Kong police launching tear gas onto the streets of Admiralty on the evening of September 28 shocked many primarily because of the inoffensive nature of the student protesters.
That shock probably intensified after October 15 when TVB aired a video showing a group of plainclothes police dragging protester Ken Tsang away from the main crowds in Admiralty before kicking and hitting him.
Although that incident was beamed around the world painting an image of Hong Kong police for some, Law Yuk-kai, director of Human Rights Monitor, said the use of tear gas was "an unprecedented deviation of normal police practices".
The last time tear gas was used in Hong Kong was against a group of militant South Korean farmers who flew into the city to protest at the World Trade Organisation meetings in 2005. Some 34 canisters of tear gas were used during the WTO protests compared with 87 fired at the student protesters last month.
"I experienced the use of tear gas during the WTO protests in 2005 and the behaviour of the police was very different," Amnesty International Hong Kong director Mabel Au said.
"Then, the police fired into the sky, but this time they fired into the ground. It's very dangerous as it can land on protesters' bodies."
Au added that the behaviour of the Hong Kong police was unpredictable, saying it was not clear why police were choosing to use certain weapons.
However, a group of peers from Britain's House of Lords last week defended Hong Kong's policing methods, describing them as "largely proportionate".
One recent protest that draws the most obvious parallels with the city's Occupy demonstrations was the Sunflower movement in Taiwan in March.
Authorities in Taipei cracked down on the students after they briefly occupied the Executive Yuan - the governing cabinet's office. Dozens of people were arrested as police deployed water cannons and batons. However, the authorities there did not resort to tear gas.
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Journalists condemn attacks on reporters covering protests after night of violence
PUBLISHED : Sunday, 26 October, 2014, 3:51pm
UPDATED : Sunday, 26 October, 2014, 8:54pm
Ernest Kao [email protected]
HKJA chairwoman Sham Yee-lan and RTHK reporter Erik Mak Ka-wai hand the petition to Regional Commander of Hong Kong Island Kenneth Li Kin-fai. Photo: Edward Wong
The chief executive’s office, journalists and government officials have condemned violent attacks on reporters covering the protests.
The Hong Kong Journalists Association delivered a petition to police headquarters in Wan Chai this afternoon to demand that police take action against violence on several journalists.
The association strongly condemned the attacks on journalists during a “blue ribbon” anti-Occupy Central rally last night, when an RTHK reporter was dragged to the ground and a TVB reporter and two TVB cameramen were injured.
”The rule of law and freedom of information are the two core pillars of Hong Kong’s success. It will be tragic if they are destroyed in the current crisis,” the association said in a statement.
“When journalists can no longer work without fear, the public’s right to know is the next to suffer.” At least 24 journalists have been attacked since the Occupy movement began more than three weeks ago, the association said.
On Saturday, RTHK reporter Wong Wing-yin was dragged to the ground, while TVB’s John Sin had his glasses knocked off and tie pulled at. A TVB cameraman was grabbed by the neck and another was pushed to the ground. All were scratched around their torsos and faces. No arrests were made.
TVB and RTHK journalists were attacked. Photo: SCMP Pictures
The attacks were condemned by both sides of the political divide, with pan-democratic lawmakers issuing a statement calling for the culprits to be brought to justice and witnesses to assist with the police investigation.
Tam Yiu-chung, of the Democratic Alliance for the Betterment and Progress of Hong Kong, also condemned the attacks and suggested event organisers deploy marshals to help maintain order.
“Whether you are pro-Occupy Central, anti-Occupy Central or pro-police, nobody should resort to violence,” Tam, chairman of the city’s main pro-government party, said on local radio.
TVB’s news department yesterday urged both Chief Executive Leung Chun-ying and Police Commissioner Andy Tsang Wai-hung to take decisive enforcement action.
In a statement, it called on Leung to carry out impartial investigations and bring the attackers to justice. The broadcaster also asked Tsang to prevent a recurrence of violent incidents and uphold the city’s rule of law.
RTHK and the RTHK Programme Staff Union said it would take legal action over yesterday’s attack. The public broadcaster’s union said it was the third attack on its front line staff in a month.
Journalists from TVB came under attack during a rally organised by the Blue Ribbon Movement in Tsim Sha Tsui. Photo: SCMP Pictures
The chief executive’s office said the government respected press freedom and branded the attacks a “savage act”. “The police will follow up on the incident in a serious manner,” a spokesman said.
Addressing protesters at a rally in Admiralty on Sunday, Civic Party leader Alan Leong Kah-kit said the people who attacked journalists during the blue ribbon event on Saturday night should be seriously condemned.
"Reporters are our ears and eyes. We cannot let anyone make us deaf or blind," Leong said.
"The blue ribbon people even shook hands with the police. If I were the officers, I would not shake their hands. The fact that they shook the officers' hands is like they were using their support for the police as an excuse to attack the reporters."
Chief Secretary Carrie Lam Cheng Yuet-ngor also said: “I strongly reprimand this incident of violence, because Hong Kong is a place that respects the freedoms of speech and the press. The government would safeguard … the freedom of the press; the police will handle this incident seriously and bring the attackers to justice.”
Lau Sai-leung, a former adviser to the government's Central Policy Unit, criticised the government for doing too little to safeguard reporters' safety in the last two years.
He said that if Carrie Lam and the pro-establishment camp were truly concerned about violence against reporters, they should ask police commissioner Tsang to attend the Legco's security panel special meeting, to explain what he had done about the problem.
Lau noted that those who attacked reporters over the last two years were usually fined or found not guilty.
Police arrested a few suspects who attacked former Ming Pao chief editor Kevin Lau Chun-to in February, but the mastermind had yet to be identified, Lau added.
Additional reporting by Phila Siu and Tony Cheung
Journalists condemn attacks on reporters covering protests after night of violence
PUBLISHED : Sunday, 26 October, 2014, 3:51pm
UPDATED : Sunday, 26 October, 2014, 8:54pm
Ernest Kao [email protected]
HKJA chairwoman Sham Yee-lan and RTHK reporter Erik Mak Ka-wai hand the petition to Regional Commander of Hong Kong Island Kenneth Li Kin-fai. Photo: Edward Wong
The chief executive’s office, journalists and government officials have condemned violent attacks on reporters covering the protests.
The Hong Kong Journalists Association delivered a petition to police headquarters in Wan Chai this afternoon to demand that police take action against violence on several journalists.
The association strongly condemned the attacks on journalists during a “blue ribbon” anti-Occupy Central rally last night, when an RTHK reporter was dragged to the ground and a TVB reporter and two TVB cameramen were injured.
”The rule of law and freedom of information are the two core pillars of Hong Kong’s success. It will be tragic if they are destroyed in the current crisis,” the association said in a statement.
“When journalists can no longer work without fear, the public’s right to know is the next to suffer.” At least 24 journalists have been attacked since the Occupy movement began more than three weeks ago, the association said.
On Saturday, RTHK reporter Wong Wing-yin was dragged to the ground, while TVB’s John Sin had his glasses knocked off and tie pulled at. A TVB cameraman was grabbed by the neck and another was pushed to the ground. All were scratched around their torsos and faces. No arrests were made.
TVB and RTHK journalists were attacked. Photo: SCMP Pictures
The attacks were condemned by both sides of the political divide, with pan-democratic lawmakers issuing a statement calling for the culprits to be brought to justice and witnesses to assist with the police investigation.
Tam Yiu-chung, of the Democratic Alliance for the Betterment and Progress of Hong Kong, also condemned the attacks and suggested event organisers deploy marshals to help maintain order.
“Whether you are pro-Occupy Central, anti-Occupy Central or pro-police, nobody should resort to violence,” Tam, chairman of the city’s main pro-government party, said on local radio.
TVB’s news department yesterday urged both Chief Executive Leung Chun-ying and Police Commissioner Andy Tsang Wai-hung to take decisive enforcement action.
In a statement, it called on Leung to carry out impartial investigations and bring the attackers to justice. The broadcaster also asked Tsang to prevent a recurrence of violent incidents and uphold the city’s rule of law.
RTHK and the RTHK Programme Staff Union said it would take legal action over yesterday’s attack. The public broadcaster’s union said it was the third attack on its front line staff in a month.
Journalists from TVB came under attack during a rally organised by the Blue Ribbon Movement in Tsim Sha Tsui. Photo: SCMP Pictures
The chief executive’s office said the government respected press freedom and branded the attacks a “savage act”. “The police will follow up on the incident in a serious manner,” a spokesman said.
Addressing protesters at a rally in Admiralty on Sunday, Civic Party leader Alan Leong Kah-kit said the people who attacked journalists during the blue ribbon event on Saturday night should be seriously condemned.
"Reporters are our ears and eyes. We cannot let anyone make us deaf or blind," Leong said.
"The blue ribbon people even shook hands with the police. If I were the officers, I would not shake their hands. The fact that they shook the officers' hands is like they were using their support for the police as an excuse to attack the reporters."
Chief Secretary Carrie Lam Cheng Yuet-ngor also said: “I strongly reprimand this incident of violence, because Hong Kong is a place that respects the freedoms of speech and the press. The government would safeguard … the freedom of the press; the police will handle this incident seriously and bring the attackers to justice.”
Lau Sai-leung, a former adviser to the government's Central Policy Unit, criticised the government for doing too little to safeguard reporters' safety in the last two years.
He said that if Carrie Lam and the pro-establishment camp were truly concerned about violence against reporters, they should ask police commissioner Tsang to attend the Legco's security panel special meeting, to explain what he had done about the problem.
Lau noted that those who attacked reporters over the last two years were usually fined or found not guilty.
Police arrested a few suspects who attacked former Ming Pao chief editor Kevin Lau Chun-to in February, but the mastermind had yet to be identified, Lau added.
Additional reporting by Phila Siu and Tony Cheung
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Occupy Central scraps poll on way to move protests forward
PUBLISHED : Sunday, 26 October, 2014, 3:06pm
UPDATED : Sunday, 26 October, 2014, 7:35pm
Staff reporters
Occupy Central co-founder Benny Tai, Federation of Students' secretary-general Alex Chow, Scholarism convenor Joshua Wong and lawmaker Alan Leong explain the decision to protesters in Admiralty. Photo: Sam Tsang
Occupy Central organisers have unexpectedly called off a poll of supporters about the way forward for the protest movement – just hours before voting was due to start.
The electronic ballot, which was scheduled to be held today and tomorrow, was shelved after the movement said there were too many different views among supporters on the voting issues and validity of the poll.
In a joint press conference in Admiralty this afternoon, Occupy Central co-founder Benny Tai Yiu-ting said it was a “very difficult decision to make”, but organisers believe that it was necessary because protesters had expressed doubt about the vote.
“The public may feel that there are problems with the movement’s organisation and leadership, and we admit that … I promise that in the future, we will have sufficient notification and discussion with protesters, before making a major, formal decision,” Tai said.
He also explained that the movement’s leaders and volunteers had been gathering views from protesters in the three occupation zones of Admiralty, Mong Kok and Causeway Bay since the arrangements for the vote were announced, and that organisers decided to shelve the vote in the movement’s decision-making “five-group platform” meeting this morning.
The platform consists of Occupy Central, the Federation of Students, Scholarism, a group of 23 pan-democratic lawmakers, and a “united front in support of students’ civil disobedience” – which is an umbrella group of 15 civic organisations.
Benny Tai, Alex Chow, Joshua Wong, Alan Leong, and students' union representative Wu Mei Lin bow to Occupy supporters after they scrapped the vote. Photo: Sam Tsang
Federation of Students leader Alex Chow Yong-kang suggested that shelving the vote could boost the morale of protesters and serve to unite them.
“Some questioned the validity of the vote because they believe their existence in the occupation zones already showed their support for the [issues of the vote],” Chow said.
He emphasised that the federation would insist on their key demands that the government should set up a multiparty platform for constitutional reform that affirms the abolition of functional constituencies in the legislature, and public nomination for the chief executive. The government should also relay the people’s call for the national legislature to retract its restrictive framework, he said.
Speaking separately, Chief Secretary Carrie Lam Cheng Yuet-ngor – who took part in a televised dialogue with student leaders on Tuesday – said society hopes that officials and students can talk again.
“In our dialogue [on Tuesday], the government made a very proactive response and I hope the federation can respond proactively too … Both sides need to be sincere for the dialogue to continue,” she said. “Society hopes that we can solve this deadlock as soon as possible and … the government would do our utmost and insist on safeguarding the principle of ‘one country, two systems’.”
Protesters applauded the decision to call off the vote, saying they appreciated that organisers had the courage to do so after listening to their opinions.
Protesters in Mong Kok on Sunday. Photo: Sam Tsang
"That’s a good decision because many people did not support it. Many feared that the voting result could be affected if the blue ribbon people come and vote," said Marco Tsui, referring to anti-Occupy protesters.
The 18-year old also said that the morale of the movement would not be affected because protesters should appreciate the Occupy organisers for having the courage to call of the vote.
Shirley Cheung, 40, also welcomed the decision to call off the vote.
"The government has already met with the organisers. Now we need to wait for the government’s reply. Meanwhile, the organisers should spend more time talking to the protesters on what should be the next step of this movement," she said.
Occupy organisers won rounds of applause from protesters as they explained the decision to call off the vote. Some chanted "keep it up".
"We have always said that the government needed to listen to the people’s views. We also have to do so. When we make a mistake, we admit it," Scholarism convener Joshua Wong told a cheering crowd.
"We are willing to use dialogue to solve difference of opinions among the Occupiers."
An Occupy supporters sleeps at the Mong Kok protest site on Sunday. Photo: Sam Tsang
Under the original plan two motions were proposed. The first asked whether the National People’s Congress Standing Committee should withdraw its earlier decision to limit candidates for the 2017 chief executive election.
The second asked if the multiparty platform for constitutional reform that the local government has suggested should affirm the abolition of functional constituencies in the legislature in 2016 and public nomination for the chief executive the year after.
Anthony Cheung Bing-leung, Secretary for Transport and Housing, this afternoon said that Hong Kong had reached a critical point and that all parties should consider carefully how to prevent the current situation going worse.
Cheung described the state of constitutional reform as a “half glass of water”.
“Some consider we are half-empty, while some consider us to be half-full and there is room to fight for more,” he said. “If rule of law, respect and tolerance are breached, what we are fighting for will go eventually.”
Cheung said transport has been greatly affected in the past few weeks, adding that the government hoped protesters would leave occupied roads as soon as possible.
Meanwhile, the chief executive’s office, journalists and government officials have condemned violent attacks on reporters covering the protests.
The Hong Kong Journalists Association delivered a petition to police headquarters in Wan Chai this afternoon to demand that police take action against violence on several journalists.
The association strongly condemned the attacks on journalists during a “blue ribbon” anti-Occupy Central rally last night, when an RTHK reporter was dragged to the ground and a TVB reporter and two TVB cameramen were injured.
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Occupy Central scraps poll on way to move protests forward
PUBLISHED : Sunday, 26 October, 2014, 3:06pm
UPDATED : Sunday, 26 October, 2014, 7:35pm
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Occupy Central co-founder Benny Tai, Federation of Students' secretary-general Alex Chow, Scholarism convenor Joshua Wong and lawmaker Alan Leong explain the decision to protesters in Admiralty. Photo: Sam Tsang
Occupy Central organisers have unexpectedly called off a poll of supporters about the way forward for the protest movement – just hours before voting was due to start.
The electronic ballot, which was scheduled to be held today and tomorrow, was shelved after the movement said there were too many different views among supporters on the voting issues and validity of the poll.
In a joint press conference in Admiralty this afternoon, Occupy Central co-founder Benny Tai Yiu-ting said it was a “very difficult decision to make”, but organisers believe that it was necessary because protesters had expressed doubt about the vote.
“The public may feel that there are problems with the movement’s organisation and leadership, and we admit that … I promise that in the future, we will have sufficient notification and discussion with protesters, before making a major, formal decision,” Tai said.
He also explained that the movement’s leaders and volunteers had been gathering views from protesters in the three occupation zones of Admiralty, Mong Kok and Causeway Bay since the arrangements for the vote were announced, and that organisers decided to shelve the vote in the movement’s decision-making “five-group platform” meeting this morning.
The platform consists of Occupy Central, the Federation of Students, Scholarism, a group of 23 pan-democratic lawmakers, and a “united front in support of students’ civil disobedience” – which is an umbrella group of 15 civic organisations.
Benny Tai, Alex Chow, Joshua Wong, Alan Leong, and students' union representative Wu Mei Lin bow to Occupy supporters after they scrapped the vote. Photo: Sam Tsang
Federation of Students leader Alex Chow Yong-kang suggested that shelving the vote could boost the morale of protesters and serve to unite them.
“Some questioned the validity of the vote because they believe their existence in the occupation zones already showed their support for the [issues of the vote],” Chow said.
He emphasised that the federation would insist on their key demands that the government should set up a multiparty platform for constitutional reform that affirms the abolition of functional constituencies in the legislature, and public nomination for the chief executive. The government should also relay the people’s call for the national legislature to retract its restrictive framework, he said.
Speaking separately, Chief Secretary Carrie Lam Cheng Yuet-ngor – who took part in a televised dialogue with student leaders on Tuesday – said society hopes that officials and students can talk again.
“In our dialogue [on Tuesday], the government made a very proactive response and I hope the federation can respond proactively too … Both sides need to be sincere for the dialogue to continue,” she said. “Society hopes that we can solve this deadlock as soon as possible and … the government would do our utmost and insist on safeguarding the principle of ‘one country, two systems’.”
Protesters applauded the decision to call off the vote, saying they appreciated that organisers had the courage to do so after listening to their opinions.
Protesters in Mong Kok on Sunday. Photo: Sam Tsang
"That’s a good decision because many people did not support it. Many feared that the voting result could be affected if the blue ribbon people come and vote," said Marco Tsui, referring to anti-Occupy protesters.
The 18-year old also said that the morale of the movement would not be affected because protesters should appreciate the Occupy organisers for having the courage to call of the vote.
Shirley Cheung, 40, also welcomed the decision to call off the vote.
"The government has already met with the organisers. Now we need to wait for the government’s reply. Meanwhile, the organisers should spend more time talking to the protesters on what should be the next step of this movement," she said.
Occupy organisers won rounds of applause from protesters as they explained the decision to call off the vote. Some chanted "keep it up".
"We have always said that the government needed to listen to the people’s views. We also have to do so. When we make a mistake, we admit it," Scholarism convener Joshua Wong told a cheering crowd.
"We are willing to use dialogue to solve difference of opinions among the Occupiers."
An Occupy supporters sleeps at the Mong Kok protest site on Sunday. Photo: Sam Tsang
Under the original plan two motions were proposed. The first asked whether the National People’s Congress Standing Committee should withdraw its earlier decision to limit candidates for the 2017 chief executive election.
The second asked if the multiparty platform for constitutional reform that the local government has suggested should affirm the abolition of functional constituencies in the legislature in 2016 and public nomination for the chief executive the year after.
Anthony Cheung Bing-leung, Secretary for Transport and Housing, this afternoon said that Hong Kong had reached a critical point and that all parties should consider carefully how to prevent the current situation going worse.
Cheung described the state of constitutional reform as a “half glass of water”.
“Some consider we are half-empty, while some consider us to be half-full and there is room to fight for more,” he said. “If rule of law, respect and tolerance are breached, what we are fighting for will go eventually.”
Cheung said transport has been greatly affected in the past few weeks, adding that the government hoped protesters would leave occupied roads as soon as possible.
Meanwhile, the chief executive’s office, journalists and government officials have condemned violent attacks on reporters covering the protests.
The Hong Kong Journalists Association delivered a petition to police headquarters in Wan Chai this afternoon to demand that police take action against violence on several journalists.
The association strongly condemned the attacks on journalists during a “blue ribbon” anti-Occupy Central rally last night, when an RTHK reporter was dragged to the ground and a TVB reporter and two TVB cameramen were injured.
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Occupy leaders may still poll protesters on future of movement, Benny Tai reveals after 11th-hour U-turn
PUBLISHED : Sunday, 26 October, 2014, 3:06pm
UPDATED : Monday, 27 October, 2014, 5:04pm
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Occupy Central co-founder Benny Tai, Federation of Students' secretary-general Alex Chow, Scholarism convenor Joshua Wong and lawmaker Alan Leong explain the decision to protesters in Admiralty. Photo: Sam Tsang
Occupy Central organisers may yet hold a poll on the future direction of the movement and volunteers are leading "chat groups" at protest sites to collect the views of demonstrators on the streets, Occupy co-founder Benny Tai revealed today.
Speaking on RTHK's Talkabout programme this morning, Tai admitted to making a mistake in trying to run a ballot for Occupy protesters, which was due to be launched yesterday evening, “in haste”.
Just hours before the launch of the electronic ballot the plug was pulled. The decision followed complaints by protesters that the leaders had not sufficiently discussed with demonstrators the poll's methodology or objectives. Shelving, they said, did not however mean the occupation would end, Federation of Students secretary general Alex Chow Yong-kang said.
This morning Benny Tai unveiled a change of direction in an attempt at appeasing the protesters and said lessons had been learned.
A man poses next to a Photoshopped picture of Xi Jinping carrying a yellow umbrella. Photo: Dickson Lee
"We have started these chat groups,” Tai said. “Many volunteers are now collecting protesters’ views in the occupation zones to see how the movement should move forward.”
“We have neglected the fact that a civil movement is not just about voting, but also about making decisions from bottom up. Now we are going back to this step and see if we should need another vote,” he said, adding that technical problems for online voting at the protest sites had been sorted out.
The discussions instigated by the chat groups would include, among other subjects, whether five pro-democracy lawmakers, from each of the city’s five geographical constituencies, should resign, triggering a de-facto city-wide referendum, Tai said.
Alex Chow Yong-kang, secretary-general of the Federation of Students, also noted the poll had met with doubts from protesters.
“Some think the wording of our motion was too mild. They felt as if we are taking a step backward, after all this time they have occupied the streets,” Chow said, referring to one of the motions that the public sentiment report submitted by the government to Beijing must “propose” the national legislature withdraws its August decision, which laid down a strict framework for the city’s chief executive election in 2017.
Chow urged the government to lay down a roadmap to achieve equal suffrage. “Some people are too sympathetic with the government and think they cannot do anything,” he said. “But the government has thrown the proposals of setting up a platform without explaining what to do with it. They must have thought it through before making the suggestion,” he said.
Benny Tai, Alex Chow, Joshua Wong, Alan Leong, and students' union representative Wu Mei Lin bow to Occupy supporters after they scrapped the vote. Photo: Sam Tsang
The decision to scrap the poll came after some protesters said it was redundant. A huge banner that called for delaying the poll was hung from an Admiralty footbridge yesterday morning.
Announcing the axing of the poll, Occupy Benny Tai said last night: "The public may feel there are problems with the movement's organisation and leadership, and we admit that … I promise that in the future, we will give sufficient notice to and discuss with protesters before making a major formal decision."
Protester Shirley Cheung, 40, agreed it was right to delay the poll. "The government has met [Occupy] organisers," she said in Admiralty. "We need to wait for the government's reply. The organisers should spend more time talking to the protesters on what the next step should be."
Protesters in Mong Kok on Sunday. Photo: Sam Tsang
Chief Secretary Carrie Lam Cheng Yuet-ngor, who led a government team to talk to federation leaders last Tuesday, would only reiterate the government's sincerity in holding further talks. "I don't know what this action implies," Lam said. "I can only say the government started the dialogue with the federation with the greatest sincerity … and made a very proactive response."
At the meeting, Lam had offered to consider submitting a public-opinion report on Beijing's political reform framework to the State Council's Hong Kong and Macau Affairs Office. She had also suggested creating a discussion platform for post-2017 political development. The federation said the offers lacked substance.
Two motions were to be put to last night's vote, which was to be held over two nights. The first called on Beijing to withdraw its August ruling. The second called for the scrapping of functional constituency seats in the 2016 legislative poll and for public nomination in the 2017 chief executive election.
City University political scientist Dr James Sung Lap-kung believed the poll U-turn could ease tensions. But it "gives people the impression that the Occupy protests lack leadership and organisation and that the leaders have no idea how the movement should proceed", he said.
Harry's view
An Occupy supporter sleeps at the Mong Kok protest site on Sunday. Photo: Sam Tsang
Meanwhile, anti-Occupy group, the Alliance for Peace and Democracy, urged civil servants to sign its petition, launched on Saturday, opposing the occupation protests and backing the police. About 650,000 people had signed by last night.
A government spokesman said all political appointees, except Secretary for Justice Rimsky Yuen Kwok-keung, would sign the petition online to show support. Yuen would not take part, so as to stay neutral.
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Re: UN supports HK protestors!!!
=> 60%: Simi universal suffrage? As long as I got some coolie rice to eat and Oppos donch sia suay me OK liao loh!
40%: Even if you are enslaved by the FAP Traitors for life and eventually kena replaced by FTrash?
60%: You talk cock! My master says FTs create jobs for me!
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=> 60%: Simi universal suffrage? As long as I got some coolie rice to eat and Oppos donch sia suay me OK liao loh!
40%: Even if you are enslaved by the FAP Traitors for life and eventually kena replaced by FTrash?
60%: You talk cock! My master says FTs create jobs for me!
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'i'll just make lesser then': Chow yun-fat responds to prc ban for supporting hk prot
[h=1]'I'LL JUST MAKE LESSER THEN': CHOW YUN-FAT RESPONDS TO PRC BAN FOR SUPPORTING HK PROTESTS[/h]
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When asked about being banned in mainland China after voicing support for the pro-democracy protests in Hong Kong, actor Chow Yun-fat simply replied, "I'll just make less then".
Chow was asked by reporters at Kowloon Park after news had surfaced that the Chinese central government had put him on a blacklist.
In early October, the Hong Kong celebrity spoke out in support of the student sit-ins, which just entered their unlikely fifth week, during an interview with Apple Daily.
“I’ve met the residents, the students — they are very brave and it’s touching to see that they’re fighting for what they want. The students are reasonable. If the government can come up with a solution that the citizens or students are satisfied with, I believe the crisis will end.”
Chow, who has in the past been praised for his graciousness and general likability, also criticized the police's use of tear gas on demonstrators during the first week of peaceful sit-ins.
"When the government uses violent measures on students, it’s a turn-off for the people of Hong Kong,” he said. “I don’t wish to see anyone getting hurt… it was a peaceful demonstration, and there was no need for any violence or tear gas.”
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Chow is among a contingent of famous figures from Hong Kong and Taiwan who've voiced support for the protesters, including Hong Kong singer Denise Ho, actor Tony Leung and actor-singer Andy Lau. Even American saxophonist Kenny G stumbled out of obscurity and into the scene, inciting a mild political scandal when he posed for photos with students at a protest site.
Hong Kong singer Anthony Wong, who's also taken part in the demonstrations, told The New York Times that two of his mainland China shows in November have been "indefinitely postponed" by organizers.
“I’m just guessing, but I think they are trying to ban us because they’re afraid of different views,” he said. “They fear that we would spread them. And of course it’s an attempt to punish us, a cold-shoulder treatment of sorts, so we can’t earn their money.”
The threat of being cut off doesn't seem to faze Chow, who's already happily announced that he's got plenty enough money to share (and will).
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When asked about being banned in mainland China after voicing support for the pro-democracy protests in Hong Kong, actor Chow Yun-fat simply replied, "I'll just make less then".
Chow was asked by reporters at Kowloon Park after news had surfaced that the Chinese central government had put him on a blacklist.
In early October, the Hong Kong celebrity spoke out in support of the student sit-ins, which just entered their unlikely fifth week, during an interview with Apple Daily.
“I’ve met the residents, the students — they are very brave and it’s touching to see that they’re fighting for what they want. The students are reasonable. If the government can come up with a solution that the citizens or students are satisfied with, I believe the crisis will end.”
Chow, who has in the past been praised for his graciousness and general likability, also criticized the police's use of tear gas on demonstrators during the first week of peaceful sit-ins.
"When the government uses violent measures on students, it’s a turn-off for the people of Hong Kong,” he said. “I don’t wish to see anyone getting hurt… it was a peaceful demonstration, and there was no need for any violence or tear gas.”
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Chow is among a contingent of famous figures from Hong Kong and Taiwan who've voiced support for the protesters, including Hong Kong singer Denise Ho, actor Tony Leung and actor-singer Andy Lau. Even American saxophonist Kenny G stumbled out of obscurity and into the scene, inciting a mild political scandal when he posed for photos with students at a protest site.
Hong Kong singer Anthony Wong, who's also taken part in the demonstrations, told The New York Times that two of his mainland China shows in November have been "indefinitely postponed" by organizers.
“I’m just guessing, but I think they are trying to ban us because they’re afraid of different views,” he said. “They fear that we would spread them. And of course it’s an attempt to punish us, a cold-shoulder treatment of sorts, so we can’t earn their money.”
The threat of being cut off doesn't seem to faze Chow, who's already happily announced that he's got plenty enough money to share (and will).
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Re: 'i'll just make lesser then': Chow yun-fat responds to prc ban for supporting hk
ah fatt shows mor bols dan dat greedy n bolless angmo kenny g, who immediately deleted his twitter post wen threatened by big ah tiong bully ...
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Re: 'i'll just make lesser then': Chow yun-fat responds to prc ban for supporting hk
One word. Respect.
One word. Respect.
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PRC should take a page from LKY book and sue this chow ah fatt into oblivion.
PRC should take a page from LKY book and sue this chow ah fatt into oblivion.
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Re: 'i'll just make lesser then': Chow yun-fat responds to prc ban for supporting hk
A real human being understand what is called personal freedom..
Only sinkie losers give that up.. stupid..no wonder sinkies ass are screwed daily.
A real human being understand what is called personal freedom..
Only sinkie losers give that up.. stupid..no wonder sinkies ass are screwed daily.
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Re: 'i'll just make lesser then': Chow yun-fat responds to prc ban for supporting hk
well said and good attituede
too many rich FOOKERS out there from all walks of life who are only too happy and too freely using money to threaten and BULLY those so called beneath them
may they all burn in hell
well said and good attituede
too many rich FOOKERS out there from all walks of life who are only too happy and too freely using money to threaten and BULLY those so called beneath them
may they all burn in hell
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