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TeeKee

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Yep, someone who was 8 years old when Ayers did it, and then lived as a adult in the same neighbourhood as him is somehow now accused of being a terrorist himself.

Yeah Watch this movie, it mocks at Americans steoreotyping all MiddleEasterns population as terrorists!!! FUNNY

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chupacabra

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Yep, someone who was 8 years old when Ayers did it, and then lived as a adult in the same neighbourhood as him is somehow now accused of being a terrorist himself.

Its as if anyone who stayed in HDB flats and were neighbours of the original chaps who were arrested by the ISD back in 2002 for trying to bomb Yishun, were also terrorists simply because they were, you're right, neighbours.



So okay if you say like this..then FDR is a supporter of Hitler in WWII...why?

Because when FDR extended help to the Soviet Union, Stalin was the guy in charge. And because Stalin did draw up an pact with Hitler, thus if FDR dealt with Stalin, then since Stalin did deal with Hitler....in extension, FDR is a supporter of Hitler and his dictatorial policies, isn't it?

Dude, there you go on your history lessons. For your info Obamas children used to be babysitted by his PLO friend family. I do not think you can find any thing closer than that in terms of aquintences.
 

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Dude, there you go on your history lessons. For your info Obamas children used to be babysitted by his PLO friend family. I do not think you can find any thing closer than that in terms of aquintences.

If you brand all the Palestinian friends of Obama as PLO spokesmen, then I think you're getting yourself all wrong.

Besides it isn't PLO who is the terrorist organisation in Palestine anymore. You're 18 years too late; PLO is the mainstream political party in Palestine. The Bush administration support President Abbas and recognise it as the party that represents Palestinians.

The one which you refer as a terrorist organisation is Hamas, and its pretty much also an insurgent organisation, as well as having a political wing.

I mean, you can't even differentiate which is PLO and which is Hamas, and you wanna argue that Obama associates with terrorists because he has a few palestinian friends? Get your facts right for once, dude.

And as I said, its all about the economy. All these "facts" you come out with are nothing but distractions. And besides which terrorist group has endorsed McCain recently? Guess who, but its <a href="http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/10/which-candidate.html">Al Qaeda </a>.
 

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you forgot to mention the Hizbollahs!! :biggrin:

Hahaha! He would led you to believe Hezbollah is in Palestine...but the truth is that they are an entirely different organisation, and they ain't in Palestine.

I wonder if he ever understands the entirety of the "facts" he claims to know.

I don't even need to remind people that he doesn't know that he got PLO and Hamas mixed up.
 

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Hahaha! He would led you to believe Hezbollah is in Palestine...but the truth is that they are an entirely different organisation, and they ain't in Palestine.

I wonder if he ever understands the entirety of the "facts" he claims to know.

I don't even need to remind people that he doesn't know that he got PLO and Hamas mixed up.

Why are you talking about the makeup of the mid east?? There is a fact out there that Obama has a friend who was a PLO spokesman in the 90s. Google it.

Whos talking about Hamas/Fatah/Plo???? Who cares?? They can blow each other up for all I care.
 

chupacabra

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People a so gulible. What a fluffy Obama add. Any President would say the things Obama said. His plans are plans people want to hear. Real change with Obama, nadah.
 

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Why are you talking about the makeup of the mid east?? There is a fact out there that Obama has a friend who was a PLO spokesman in the 90s. Google it.

Whos talking about Hamas/Fatah/Plo???? Who cares?? They can blow each other up for all I care.

Well, PLO was the one which signed the 1993 Oslo peace deal with Israel, with support from President Clinton.

Are you saying that PLO is still a terrorist organisation, when they had already signed the Oslo peace deal and was working with the US and Israel to find a solution?

The fact is that PLO is a mainstream organisation and the political party US and Israel go to. To accuse it of being terrorist is to mix up PLO and Hamas together.

And I won't accept for a second that you insist that PLO is a terrorist organisation because its Palestinian. Because when you throw out that accusation, anyone who has read history would realise that its Hamas, not PLO who has been the terrorist organisation which tried to disrupt the peace process during the 90s with numerous bombings.

So it seems that you're pretty ignorant about middle-eastern geopolitics and yet you wanna argue using middle-eastern geopolitics as your metaphor. Seems like you're pretty hard-headed, aren't you? Sticking with the Titanic even when you know its already sinking.
 

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Dude I am not the one saying these things. Its on TELEVISION. Why isan't it debunked with the things you said on TELEVISION??? AMERICANO NEWS, OBAMA's media.

So you are saying these alegations made by newspeople false? Write to them.
 

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Dude I am not the one saying these things. Its on TELEVISION. Why isan't it debunked with the things you said on TELEVISION??? AMERICANO NEWS, OBAMA's media.

So you are saying these alegations made by newspeople false? Write to them.

Ah well, they speculated about William Ayers but that's what makes news. It got no traction anyway- and that's the thing about news. If it has no credibility, it gains no traction.

So as with the Palestinian friends of Obama, hey, its no surprise. I mean Chicago is a big city of all races and religion. Neither is it a surprise that some support the PLO, as it's the mainstream palestinian political party.

McCain just wanna use the news so that he can get some votes- at a time when he's just suffering a thousand cuts. And the best way is to scare people who don't even know the difference between Hamas and PLO.

It seems that you don't even know the difference dude, even when you're staying in Singapore, and not in rural Mississippi. And yet the difference between Hamas and PLO is just a wikipedia click away. For you, it should be easier than for a white living in the Bible belt in the American south.
 

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Why are you talking about the makeup of the mid east?? There is a fact out there that Obama has a friend who was a PLO spokesman in the 90s. Google it.

Whos talking about Hamas/Fatah/Plo???? Who cares?? They can blow each other up for all I care.

do you know Georgie Bushy has Saudi's friends who have connection to the "terrorists" group Osama used to hang out with? and many were allowed to leave the US just after the 911 attacks?

dun believe Google it! :biggrin:

but Obama life in Indonesia would be very interesting to know!
 

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do you know Georgie Bushy has Saudi's friends who have connection to the "terrorists" group Osama used to hang out with? and many were allowed to leave the US just after the 911 attacks?

dun believe Google it! :biggrin:

but Obama life in Indonesia would be very interesting to know!

George Bush let the saudis babysit his daughters meh??? Obama's children was said to be babysited by a PLO SPOKEPERSON family.

Would you let Comical Ali babysit your child?? Ha ha ha. Relax bro.
 

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Thats the beauty of AMERICAN tele unlike SINKEEtown propaganda. Even in OZ, anything said on tele in OZ,US,CAnana can be debunked/debated/ delie/ deprove and whatever.
 

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Ha ha ha, Its a Mccain win. The biased US media will back fire. Plus Obama is a friend of terrorists. Obama cannot be trusted.


Hi Chups,

Things are hotting up for Obama. He now has to explain away allegations that he had not been "pallying up" with unrepentant and known terrorists, Ayers and Khalidi.

The most recent is his association with the now dead Eddy Sayeed, who openly is anti-Semite and anti-Israel. There are pictures of him throwing stones at Israeli soldiers.

The Jewish lobby in the US was suspicious of Obama at first, but now there are rumblings, there will be a slide in his lead over the next few days, the lobby will ensure this happens.

Also the Jewish lobby is now quietly stating that Obama has no plan for jobs despite all his rhetoric, I guess this is the first salvo.

He has to work really hard to fend of the Leftist brand. Also "Joe the Plumber" being attacked by the Dems just doesn't sit well with many.

Not to mention the ACORN, sheesh!

Cheers,

MM
 

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Thats the beauty of AMERICAN tele unlike SINKEEtown propaganda. Even in OZ, anything said on tele in OZ,US,CAnana can be debunked/debated/ delie/ deprove and whatever.

sometimes in the mess of confusions, you won't know whose speaking the truth...:biggrin:
 

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McCain Slams LA Times


John McCain slammed The Los Angeles Times Wednesday for refusing to release a videotape that the newspaper's editors say shows Barack Obama praising a Chicago professor who served as a spokesman for the Palestine Liberation Organization when it was a U.S.-designated terror group.

Speaking to two Florida radio stations, the Republican presidential candidate suggested a double standard in reporting by the newspaper and said if he were hanging out with neo-Nazis he'd bet the tape would be made public.

The Times says it is standing by its promise not to show the tape, which it got from an anonymous source. The newspaper also has not provided a transcript of the 2003 farewell party for University of Chicago professor Rashid Khalidi. Among others in attendance at the soiree were former Weather Underground founders William Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn.

"Apparently this is a tape with a dinner that Mr. Ayers ... was at, and also ... one of the leading spokespersons for the PLO. Now, why that should not be made public is beyond me," McCain told La Kalle radio.

"I guarantee you, if there was a tape with me and Sarah Palin and some neo-Nazi or one of those, you think that that tape wouldn't be made public? Of course, Americans need to know, particularly about Ayers, and also about the PLO. So hopefully there will be enough pressure on the L.A. Times that it'll come out, but its really unfortunate that we have to go through this," McCain continued.

Palin too lambasted the newspaper for its inaction.

"If there's a Pulitzer Prize category for excelling in cow-towing, then the LA Times, you're winning," she said.

The LA Times told FOXNews.com that it won't reveal how it obtained the tape of Khalidi's farewell party, nor will the newspaper release it. Spokeswoman Nancy Sullivan said the paper is not interested in revisiting the story. "As far as we're concerned, the story speaks for itself," she said.

The newspaper reported Tuesday evening in a story on its Web site that the tape was from a confidential source.

"The Los Angeles Times did not publish the videotape because it was provided to us by a confidential source who did so on the condition that we not release it," the Times' editor, Russ Stanton, said. "The Times keeps its promises to sources."

Asked about the party and his relationship with Obama, Khalidi refused Wednesday to discuss the matter.

"I am not speaking to the press at this time, and do not speak to Fox in any case, as I just wrote one of your colleagues," Khalidi wrote in an e-mail statement to FOXNews.com.

The Obama campaign called the impasse "just another recycled, manufactured controversy from the McCain campaign to distract voters' attention from John McCain's lock-step support for George Bush's economic policies."

"Barack Obama has been clear and consistent on his support for Israel, and has been clear that Rasheed Khalidi is not an adviser to him or his campaign and that he does not share Khalidi's views. Instead of giving lectures on media bias, John McCain should answer why, under his own chairmanship, the International Republican Institute repeatedly funded an organization Khalidi founded, the Center for Palestine Research and Studies, over the course of many years," said spokesman Tommy Vietor.

Referring to the polling company used in the West Bank and Gaza Strip in the 1990s and hired by IRI, the nonprofit, nonpartisan democratic advocacy organization s overseen by Congress, the McCain camp said Vietor's allegation doesn't compare.

"Funding polling by a relatively well-respected organization that may or may not have had Khalidi on its board at the time does not come close to equating to hours of dinnertime conversations and glowing testimonials at a farewell dinner," retorted McCain spokesman Michael Goldfarb.

The L.A. Times first reported on the relationship between Obama and Khalidi in April.

Click here to read the original LA Times story: 'Palestinians See a Friend in Barack Obama.'

In the article, it quoted Obama at Khalidi's going-away party, calling Khalidi his "friend and frequent dinner companion." At the time, Obama reminisced about dinners at the home of Khalidi and his wife Mona, who were leaving Chicago and heading to New York for Khalidi's new job at Columbia University.

The dinner talks had been "consistent reminders to me of my own blind spots and my own biases. . . . It's for that reason that I'm hoping that, for many years to come, we continue that conversation -- a conversation that is necessary not just around Mona and Rashid's dinner table," but around "this entire world," the Times wrote, quoting Obama on the purported videotape.

The article went on to describe how Obama offered new hope to Palestinian Americans for a new U.S. policy on the Middle East and mentioned that one guest at the party compared "Zionist settlers on the West Bank" to Usama bin Laden because both had been "blinded by ideology."

Palin said she wants to know how Obama responded to derogatory comments said about Israel and America's support for its ally during the party.

"Israel was described there as the perpetrator of terrorism instead of the victim. What we don't know, what we don't know, is how Barack Obama responded to these slurs on a country that he now professes to support, and the reason is the newspaper that has the tape, The Los Angeles Times, refuses to release it," she said. "It must be nice for a candidate to have major news organizations looking after his best interests like that.

The original article pointed out that the party, in which Khalidi encouraged guests to support Obama's run for the U.S. Senate, was videotaped and a copy had been obtained by The Times. It did not mention that the Times reporter and editors had vowed not to show the tape to anyone.

Sullivan said she would not give details of what else may be on the tape, adding that anyone interested in the video should read the newspaper's report, which was its final account.

"This is a story that we reported on six months ago, so any suggestion that we're suppressing the tape is absurd -- we're the ones that brought the existence of the tape to light," Sullivan said.

Khalidi, who from 1976 to1982 was reportedly a director of the official Palestinian press agency, WAFA, which was operating in exile from Beirut with the PLO, is currently the Edwards Said professor of Arab Studies at Columbia.

When Columbia hosted Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad as a guest speaker last year, Khalidi told The New York Times after the appearance that he was "embarrassed" that university president Lee Bollinger wasn't nicer to the head of the Islamic Republic during his visit.

A pro-Palestinian activist, Khalidi has been a fierce critic of American foreign policy and of Israel, which he has accused of establishing an "apartheid system" of government. The PLO advocate helped facilitate negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians in the early '90s, but he has denied he was ever an employee of the group, contradicting accounts in The New York Times and Washington Times.

Khalidi, who has a new book coming out in February titled "Sowing Crisis: The Cold War and American Hegemony in the Middle East," has been called "the foremost U.S. historian of the modern Middle East." That description appeared in a 2004 book review from University of Maryland professor Warren I. Cohen that appeared in the The Los Angeles Times.

The L.A. Times article in April noted that Khalidi was a professor at the University of Beirut at the time he was a mouthpiece for the PLO.

Obama in recent months has distanced himself from the man the Times says he once called a friend. "He is not one of my advisers. He's not one of my foreign policy people," Obama said at a campaign event in May. "He is a respected scholar, although he vehemently disagrees with a lot of Israel's policy."

The Los Angeles Times endorsed Obama for president on Oct. 19.
 

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Well, Khalidi wasn't entirely wrong in saying that there should be a new approach to sort out the problem. Neither should he be suspended of his right to state his points.

In any case, being on speaking terms with Khalidi is not out of character for Sen. Obama, who was a state Senator at that time, and a fellow professor in the same university.

So Obama likes to listen to both sides, and go through it with his advisers before making a decision. That's his style. Of course, its all now a little inconvenient since the McCain campaign wants to make a mountain out of a molehill, saying that the American government shouldn't negotiate without pre-conditions, and Prof. Khalidi is part of the reason why.

Still, of course, what he suggest is usually out of the norm for most Americans in the political circles. One might believe if its popular privately, but in public, its not exactly popular to state it so explicitly.

In the end, I think LA Times is right not to force its source to reveal the video. Its all about trust within the journalistic circles to protect the sources, and the best way is through trust, and fellowship. So in the end, Obama has long distanced himself in this matter, and it shouldn't be an issue.
 

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Thats the beauty of AMERICAN tele unlike SINKEEtown propaganda. Even in OZ, anything said on tele in OZ,US,CAnana can be debunked/debated/ delie/ deprove and whatever.

Americans take most things less seriously - along with most of the Western world. You see, Americans are more exposed than Sinkees.

But of course we know Singaporeans like you seem to believe every word printed by western media. If i were you i would stay away from Bill O'Reilley, and even Lou Dobbs. It might be too much for your small sheltered mind to comprehend.
 
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