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NTUC dun understand why S'poreans quit working after 50yrs old

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NTUC to probe labour mystery
Men tend to retire in their 50s; getting them to continue working will boost workforce
By Sue-Ann Chia

THE labour movement aims to unravel the mystery of why a relatively large number of men tend to quit the workforce in their 50s, instead of staying on until the retirement age of 62. Official manpower figures show that the labour force participation rate for men dips after age 50.

There is no data on the reasons behind this dip, a trend which the National Trades Union Congress (NTUC) intends to study in its bid to get more older men, as well as women, to work longer. But NTUC deputy secretary-general Heng Chee How suggested yesterday that 'some men may want to take it slow after taking out their CPF at 55'.

Hence, the NTUC will start a programme in three months' time to encourage both men and women in their 50s to work beyond 62, said Mr Heng at a seminar on re-employment issues. The 'Back to Work for Active Agers' programme will be rolled out once the NTUC determines the factors driving people out of the workforce; and works out which industries have the largest exodus of older workers.

If more of these older people work, it would plug the manpower gap arising from the calibrated flow of foreign workers and fewer younger workers as a result of low fertility levels, said Mr Heng. A 1 per cent improvement in the overall employment rate of those aged 55 to 64 would add 20,000 more workers to the economy - equivalent to more than half a year's cohort of babies, he added.

Mr Heng also launched a guidebook to inform bosses and workers about re-employment processes that range from who is eligible to what kind of jobs and salary should be offered. The guidebook and the upcoming programme come ahead of the re-employment law due in 2012. The law will require employers to offer to rehire their retirees for three more years, until 65. Giving an update on the re-employment efforts among unionised companies, Mr Heng said it started with 27 companies in 2007 and grew to 890 companies this year.

That makes up almost 90 per cent of the unionised companies, and they have re-employed 9,087 workers. Almost half of the companies are at the advanced stage of implementing a formal human resource policy on re-employment. The NTUC aims to push this figure to 60 per cent of unionised companies by year's end. One employer that is looking at including re-employment in its collective agreement with the Food, Drinks and Allied Workers' Union is Sheraton Towers.

The hotel believes in rehiring its retirees, offering to re-employ 90 per cent of those who reach the retirement age of 62. Among its oldest staff are a 70-year-old security manager and a 69-year-old chamber maid, said human resources director Francis Tan. Workers are also keen on re-employment. Civil servant Lawrence Chua, an assistant manager in logistics, just celebrated his 62nd birthday on Sunday and has no plans to retire yet.

He accepted a three-year contract although it was the same job with a lower pay. 'I might as well take it. If not, I will have to look elsewhere,' he said.
 
You pay me $100k per month with free car and overseas trips on 747/a380 first class and i'll continue to work till 95.
 
If more of these older people work, it would plug the manpower gap arising from the calibrated flow of foreign workers and fewer younger workers as a result of low fertility levels, said Mr Heng. A 1 per cent improvement in the overall employment rate of those aged 55 to 64 would add 20,000 more workers to the economy - equivalent to more than half a year's cohort of babies, he added.
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Another backdoor politician talking cock, as usual blame us,,,blame the baby boomers...who in the first place successfully implemented the stop at 2 policy that those in the 50 plus know so well to STOP AT TWO & forced to contribute to the low fertility..

It is no mystery to one and all why those over 50 take it easy...they were the ones that help built this nation, built to what this Heng Chee How is reaping & eating the best of the fruits..why don't they want to take it easy?

The first to suffer & slaved in National Service & reservists, first to see many of their rights being taken away...

First to taste the old is go....during the years of recession , which many companies & corporations & including the 'members' related companies, offered the GOlden handshakes...

You think, the would want to slog aagin from 55 to 64??...Old is Go!!:p

We need a overpaid, backdoor politician, to wonder the mysetery of life???
 
It's a very sad thing with our media and trade union. People over 50 become unemployed, tell it like it is. Nobody or very few wants to employ them. What caused that? It's not them the potential employees, but the employers. What caused the employers to behave like that? Government, ask yourself. You set the policies that condition the economic environment.

What quit or don't want to work? If so many people over 50 can afford to quit working happily and enjoying retirement, Singapore has exceeded Swiss or whatever standard of living already. You mean, some pick up cardboards and cans or sell tissues for fun? Old age passtime?
 
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Wah lau eh, so simple also dunno.

0.00001% - retire
40% - living off kids
40% - begging or collect cardboard on the streets so not taken into statistics
The rest? - Jump MRT liao!
 
Wah lau eh, so simple also dunno.

0.00001% - retire
40% - living off kids
40% - begging or collect cardboard on the streets so not taken into statistics
The rest? - Jump MRT liao!

add collect tin cans...
 
It's a very sad thing with our media and trade union. People over 50 become unemployed, tell it like it is. Nobody or very few wants to employ them. What caused that? It's not them the potential employees, but the employers. What caused the employers to behave like that? Government, ask yourself. You set the policies that condition the economic environment.

What quit or don't want to work? If so many people over 50 can afford to quit working happily and enjoying retirement, Singapore has exceeded Swiss or whatever standard of living already. You mean, some pick up cupboards and cans or sell tissues for fun? Old age passtime?

Took a cab today and heard an interesting story. The cab driver told me the $2k membership to RWS is cheap (?). When questioned, he said his friend taught him how to caculate.

If you divide it by the total number of days, it is only about $5 to enter the casino for 24 hours.

It is therefore a "bargain" compared to the 24 hour $100 levy. According to him, many of those who bought the $2k package are retirees as they found it an "affordable" and "cheap" way to entertain themselves.

Totally speechless ....
 
Took a cab today and heard an interesting story. The cab driver told me the $2k membership to RWS is cheap (?). When questioned, he said his friend taught him how to caculate.

If you divide it by the total number of days, it is only about $5 to enter the casino for 24 hours.

It is therefore a "bargain" compared to the 24 hour $100 levy. According to him, many of those who bought the $2k package are retirees as they found it an "affordable" and "cheap" way to entertain themselves.

Totally speechless ....

These are most probably mostly civil service pensioners before the pension scheme was abolished. They had secured their HDB at low price without needing high CPF. Now they're are enjoying life with lifetime income much higher than CPF Life. Notice the pension scheme has been abolished for all except MPs and Ministers. That is, any Minister above age 55 and still in office is collecting 4 paychecks, MP pay, Minister pay, MP pension and Minister pension. You go figure out who they are. Even non-Minister MPs above 55 are collecting 2 paychecks.

With the abolishment of estate duty, if any of their children need to work, then I worry. (Of course, can work or want work is different.)
 
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Because they are out of touch.

Men cannot find jobs once they reach 45 and above. Because this fucking country is so biased. These are some jobs that men cannot do because the fucking employers here are so biased.

1. Receptionist
2. Pre-school Teacher
3. Cashier (Have you ever seen a male cashier at NTUC fairprice)
4. Nurse
5. Bank Teller
6. Most counter staff Eg. Pharmacy, Post Office,
7. Call centre, most of them are women because they want a sweet voice

What's left for you are those jobs that pay so little, filled with banglas, pinoys and chinko, you don't even feel like getting out of bed in the morning.
 
Pay too low and not worth the injuries .

Somemore contribute to public transport earnings .
 
I know that in one stat board, a new CEO swept in and cleared the decks of almost everyone who was over 55. This new CEO it seems was a scholar returning from an overseas EDB posting. He gave these people two choices - accept an SRS (Special Retirement Scheme) or be "restructured" without anymore compensation if the first offer lapsed. It's easy to lay off these oldies under the pretext of poor performance: they set you up to fail. So those who were approached had practically Hobson's choice.

After clearing the deck, he now has two Deputy Chief Executives, 1 Asst CE all of which were new positions. I suspected that as more and more scholars come home to roost, the govt had to find places in the civil service to accommodate these "returning scholars" from overseas.

Now anyone they hire will be young grads and if you are above even 50, you'll be lucky to receive an acknowledgement of your application letter. The core of skilled and experienced people is gone. In its place, are young, green, but more compliant and 'cheaper' people.

These young people have seen what happened to their predecessors who had been long serving, loyal and dedicated employees for years, not job-hopping or fussy about their work conditions. They will realise that the only thing one should be loyal to is the pay packet, not the employer. Nowadays, who wants to wait to be fired when you get old? You just look out for yourself and milk every drop from your current employer as much as possible.

So who do you think started this clarion call for "renewal"? Who else but Old Man. Look what he did to his stalwarts. It became a campaign which everybody down the pecking order was infected with. Soon, the private sector was also doing the same thing. Now you can look around. How many PMETs are wandering around doing nothing?

Now the govt is asking us: what has happened to these people? This govt cannot be more out of touch!
 
Subliminal message that Sporns are lazy instead of telling the truth that Sporns are leeplaced by FTrash when they reach 50. How evil can they can these FAPee TRAITORS go?
 
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Asking stupid questions ... useless civil servants shit
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/1048017/1/.html

I spit on you ah beng face .... pui pui pui
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By Hetty Musfirah Abdul Khamid | Posted: 05 April hrs
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SINGAPORE: The labour movement plans to get more people re-employed at work after it found men start dropping out of the workforce as they turn 50, well ahead of the retirement age of 62.

Efforts to boost Singapore's employment rates are expected to gain momentum in the coming years.

With Singapore's birth rates steadily declining, there will be fewer people joining the workforce in the future. So the labour movement wants more people to stay employed.

It said a one per cent increase in overall employment rate out of a workforce of two million locals will create a pool of 20,000 workers for the economy. That's more than half a year's cohort of babies.

That's why the movement has come up with a guide to re-employment to prepare companies and employees for the re-employment law come 2012.

That's when companies must offer re-employment once a worker reaches the retirement age of 62.

This is provided the worker is medically fit and has been satisfactory in his work performance.

Early efforts are needed to make sure employees themselves are willing to work past the retirement age.

But NTUC said it's seeing more men quitting the workforce once they reach their 50s.

Heng Chee How, Deputy Secretary-General, National Trade Union Congress, said: "For some, perhaps after picking up the CPF, age 55, they may take it slow. Some may become self-employed and others for various reasons, including family duties, may also have left work.

“So for the exact reasons, we would have to study the data more carefully and to see which industries because it may also not be even across all industries."

Under its "Back to Work for Active Agers" initiative, the data collected will be used to form targeted programmes to reach out to this group and women who tend to drop out even earlier.

But when it comes to getting companies to re-employ older workers though, there has been progress.

For now, about 90 per cent or 890 unionised companies have committed to re-hiring over 9,000 workers in the unionised sector.

And it's hoped this will go up to 100 per cent by mid-next year.

It is also pushing for 60 per cent of unionised companies to have at least a formalised HR policy on re-employment by the end of this year.

Mr Heng also touched on what the National Wages Council (NWC) may consider at its upcoming meeting.

He said: "We are already seeing signs that the labour market is tightening and in certain pockets, skills shortages are beginning to appear. So I would think that the NWC will be considering things like productivity that leads to real wage growth on a trend basis which is important to be sustainable."

Mr Heng also urged employers to reward workers fairly especially for their sacrifices during the downturn. - CNA/vm

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It is a great irony that NTUC LABOUR UNION doesn't understand about Labour predicament in Singapore. Wasted all the salaries paid to Lim Boon Heng, Gan Kim Yong, Lim Swee Say and Josephine Teo. A great example of complacency on the job. It is going to take them another 50 years to understand why Singaporeans do not encourage foreigners here to steal job and depress wages.
 
Because they are out of touch.

Men cannot find jobs once they reach 45 and above. Because this fucking country is so biased. These are some jobs that men cannot do because the fucking employers here are so biased.

1. Receptionist
2. Pre-school Teacher
3. Cashier (Have you ever seen a male cashier at NTUC fairprice)
4. Nurse
5. Bank Teller
6. Most counter staff Eg. Pharmacy, Post Office,
7. Call centre, most of them are women because they want a sweet voice

What's left for you are those jobs that pay so little, filled with banglas, pinoys and chinko, you don't even feel like getting out of bed in the morning.

1. Agreed. This is most likely because they need a female face to welcome guests or visitors to the company.

2. Agreed. Women are better at handling children right from the stone ages. No dispute about that.

3. Disagree. I have seen male cashiers at NTUC, albeit part-time youngsters. Carrefour also hires male cashiers, although these seem to be predominantly held by a certain minority race in Singapore.

4. Disagree. I have seen male trainee nurses at hospitals.

5. Not sure about this one, but usually the men who work at banks are the managers. Some may have walked the path of bank tellers before being promoted to the manager position.

6. Disagree. Same as #3.

7. Disagree. Many companies now outsource their call centres to certain cheaper countries like India. If you are referring to those companies, then I would disagree.
 
is the daily international buffet spread still available ?

also got state-of-the-art shower room & whirlpool to bathe ? sauna ?

then quite worth it, everyday 'cruise ship' life ... juz don't gamble yr money away ...



Took a cab today and heard an interesting story. The cab driver told me the $2k membership to RWS is cheap (?). When questioned, he said his friend taught him how to caculate.

If you divide it by the total number of days, it is only about $5 to enter the casino for 24 hours.

It is therefore a "bargain" compared to the 24 hour $100 levy. According to him, many of those who bought the $2k package are retirees as they found it an "affordable" and "cheap" way to entertain themselves.

Totally speechless ....
 
What crap is that? S.R. Nathan, Lee Kuan Yew, Goh Chok Tong and Chiam See Tong still working. Their combined age can compile a history volume.
 
Simi mystery???

They are force to go wat....KNS....nobody dare to tell the elite ministers??
or issit they stay up there too long, doesn't know what ish happening?

:confused: :mad: :confused:
 
It's a very sad thing with our media and trade union. People over 50 become unemployed, tell it like it is. Nobody or very few wants to employ them. What caused that? It's not them the potential employees, but the employers. What caused the employers to behave like that? Government, ask yourself. You set the policies that condition the economic environment.

What quit or don't want to work? If so many people over 50 can afford to quit working happily and enjoying retirement, Singapore has exceeded Swiss or whatever standard of living already. You mean, some pick up cardboards and cans or sell tissues for fun? Old age passtime?

hi there


1. ram, well said and five thumbs up!
2. well, this is what we can expect from our sheepish mil-dollar salaried.
3. nothing much of a surprise except crap!
 
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