Netherlands Close Eight Prisons Due To Lack Of Criminals

[peppertail]

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/201...sons-close--lack-of-criminals-_n_3503721.html

As prison populations surge in the UK, with overcrowded cells and repeat offenders, the opposite in happening in the Netherlands.

The country is actually to close eight prisons because of a lack of criminals, the Dutch justice ministry has announced.

Declining crime rates in the Netherlands mean that although the country has the capacity for 14,000 prisoners, there are only 12,000 detainees, reported the nrc.nl.

The decrease is expected to continue, the ministry said, with Deputy justice minister Nebahat Albayrak saying that natural redundancy and other measures should counter any forced lay-offs.

A report last year on prison overcrowding said that surging populations undermined the rehabilitation of prisoners and risked increasing reoffending in the future.

The Criminal Justice Alliance (CJA), which represents more than 60 organisations, called for the government to urgently limit "the unnecessary use of prison, ensuring it is reserved for serious, persistent and violent offenders for whom no alternative sanction is appropriate".

It came after Chief Inspector of Prisons Nick Hardwick said the rising pressure on prisons from budget cuts and increasing numbers cannot go on indefinitely.

 

[peppertail]

Gotta learn from the dutch! How about legalising cannabis?

 

[steffychun]

dutch don't need national service.

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

They probably don't jail offenders unless they commit very serious crimes like rape or murder. Similar to sinkiekand's method of under reporting crime to get a low crime rate.

 

[peppertail]

They probably don't jail offenders unless they commit very serious crimes like rape or murder. Similar to sinkiekand's method of under reporting crime to get a low crime rate.

How is not jailing for minor offences and under reporting similar???

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

How is not jailing for minor offences and under reporting similar???

Nigger i was comparing how both countries didn't take the proper action one is which to jail ppl that commit certain offences and i bet offences which are considered serious but not capital offences like theft aren't considered serious crimes in the netherlands at all and they don't go to jail and in sg to report the crimes.

 

[peppertail]

Nigger i was comparing how both countries didn't take the proper action one is which to jail ppl that commit certain offences and i bet offences which are considered serious but not capital offences like theft aren't considered serious crimes in the netherlands at all and they don't go to jail and in sg to report the crimes.

The question is: Is jail really the only proper solution for such minor offences? There are many alternative punishments that might actually work better and cost the taxpayer much less money.

 

[looneytan]

Nigger i was comparing how both countries didn't take the proper action one is which to jail ppl

Is jail really the only proper solution for such minor offences

You are nigger?

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

The question is: Is jail really the only proper solution for such minor offences? There are many alternative punishments that might actually work better and cost the taxpayer much less money.

True but can you name one such punishment that might be better than jail?

 

[peppertail]

True but can you name one such punishment that might be better than jail?

There are plenty:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternatives_to_incarceration
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...atives-to-prison-and-do-they-work-419388.html
http://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/justi...-reform-and-alternatives-to-imprisonment.html

And probably many more. I did not spend much time on that subject myself yet.

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

There are plenty:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternatives_to_incarceration
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...atives-to-prison-and-do-they-work-419388.html
http://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/justi...-reform-and-alternatives-to-imprisonment.html

And probably many more. I did not spend much time on that subject myself yet.

Those are simply suggestions that might or might not work.

 

[peppertail]

Those are simply suggestions that might or might not work.

Same as prisons. They work on some and don't on others.

 

[Scrooball (clone)]

Singapore may need to expand prison to fit in those PRC scumbags

Yishun murders: Mother and daughter knifed 98 times - See more at: http://news.asiaone.com/News/AsiaOn...tory20111122-312033.html#sthash.isTJ3QTx.dpuf

AsiaOne
Tuesday, Nov 22, 2011
More details have emerged from the 2008 Yishun killing frenzy case in which three persons were killed and one grievously wounded.

It was revealed in court that Wang Zhijian stabbed and slashed two of the victims, a mother and her daughter, a total of 98 times. 16 of these wounds were potentially fatal.

According to Chinese daily Lianhe Wanbao, he had allegedly quarrelled with his 42-year-old girlfriend Zhang Meng on September 18, 2008.
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An hour after the quarrel, he used thrusted the blade of a kitchen knife 45 degrees downwards into Madam Zhang's abdomen as she slept on a mattress on the floor.

The Straits Times reported that Wang told the court yesterday that at the moment he thrust the knife in her, Madam Zhang screamed and struggled a little as if she wanted to sit up but did not manage to.

The Chinese national, 45, then attacked the victim's daughter 17-year-old daughter Feng Jian Yu after she was awakened by her mother's cries. He stabbed her until she collapsed.

Wang, who was naked, subsequently went into a second room and attacked another mother-and-daughter pair who was staying in the same flat at Block 349, Yishun Street 11.

In her bid to escape, one of the women, Yang Jie, ran to the kitchen and climbed out the window and stood on the narrow ledge outside, while holding on to the laundry pole holders. The prosecution reportedly claims that Wang then hacked at her fingers.

Unable to hold on, she fell to her death. While she died because of the fall, the court hears that two other victims died from multiple stab wounds.

Madam Yang's daughter, Li Meilin delivered her harrowing account of the slashings yesterday.

The teenager is the only survivor from attack that lasted one hour and 49 minutes.

Li, 18, said Wang pushed her onto a bed, but when she saw him thrust the blade towards her, she kicked him and ran out of the room.

She managed to get to the kitchen toilet and closed the foldable plastic doors. But Wang hacked at it till it collapsed and then slashed Li's head, face and neck until she fell to the floor.

He reportedly came back and stabbed her again, reported The Straits Times

Li was rescued by police. At that time, she did not know her mother was dead.

According to the national daily, Li, who was dressed in a long-sleeved plaid shirt and jeans, was serene on the stand. With a small smile on her face, the lanky teenager, who wore spectacles, identified Wang by pointing at him when he was sitting in the dock.

Madam Zhang, who was estranged from her husband, was reportedly in a romantic relationship with Wang since 2005. He and the four women were all Chinese nationals.

After the hearing, Wang, who is denying murder, asked his lawyer to tell her that he was sorry.

Wang had only been in Singapore for 10 days before he attacked the women. He was here on a 30-day social visit pass.

If convicted, he faces the mandatory death penalty. The trial continues today.

- See more at: http://news.asiaone.com/News/AsiaOn...tory20111122-312033.html#sthash.isTJ3QTx.dpuf

 

[yinyang]

Dutch's prison ensuite view speaks volumes of their attitude and penal system

[video=youtube;B1UpacwFnC8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1UpacwFnC8[/video]

And this bloke had a good time :p

http://gizmodo.com/149513/dutch-prisons-get-big-bro-makeover

Try the new Ritz, with prison theme dinners and all

http://www.amusingplanet.com/2013/02/het-arresthuis-dutch-prison-turned-into.html

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

Same as prisons. They work on some and don't on others.

True but they are widely practiced and more importantly they keep dangerous incorrigable criminals away from normal ppl.

 

[peppertail]

True but they are widely practiced and more importantly they keep dangerous incorrigable criminals away from normal ppl.

Of course and they should continue to lock them away. I am thinking of those who fall into the category spelled out in the article above:

The Criminal Justice Alliance (CJA), which represents more than 60 organisations, called for the government to urgently limit "the unnecessary use of prison, ensuring it is reserved for serious, persistent and violent offenders for whom no alternative sanction is appropriate".

 

[Cestbon]

SG minister mindset. Want Europe eg. Germany/Swiss/Dutch standard but want cheap as compare to China/India/Bangla/Pinoy . That why FT from these country is almost 80% of total FT.
Sg minister dont understand that oil and water dont mix. They try to use cheap labor and material but want to achieve Germany quality.,

 

[singveld]

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/201...sons-close--lack-of-criminals-_n_3503721.html

As prison populations surge in the UK, with overcrowded cells and repeat offenders, the opposite in happening in the Netherlands.

dun laugh, if you were the victim of crime over there, you will not be so happy.
dutch police will not investigate if someone burglar your home.
some rob you in the street, i doubt they will spend time on it too.
they just dun arrest people for taking soft drugs.

 

[Narong Wongwan]

Singapore prison overcrowded liao.
Full of FTs inside now.

European prisons are very welfare. Sinkieland prisons though 'efficient' are lacking even in basic human rights entitlement.

 

[peppertail]

Singapore prison overcrowded liao.

Are they? Link please.