NEA seeks your views on the proposal that the mandatory disposable carrier bag charge of 10 cents per bag at all supermarkets in Singapore...

[Willamshakespear]

NEA will be wrong to presume that a charge of 5 or 10cts for plastic bags will save our environment. It will not, as shoppers will need something to carry their goods, at times small & other times large, will not mind that charge, as it is a need. Once used, they will probably RECYCLE back the plastic bag by placing waste material into it & then THROW it into the bin. As long as it is trash, it will not save our planet or environment. Plastic takes a thousand years to degrade into natural compost.

Instead, MAKE every manufacturer/ importers of plastic bags to sell their plastic bags at 10cts extra per bag. It will not hurt them as they will simply pass the cost to consumers, but however, it will drive their costs skywards as initial outlays. Currently a pack of 10 medium size plastic bags cost $3 at wholesale prices. With the added NEA surcharge, it will cost $4. Consumers, especially shops & supermarkets whom buy in thousands given FREE to customers will scream & forgo plastic bags instead.

It may spell the end for plastic bag manufacturers, but if they are innovative, they can retool & manufacture bio-degradable bags instead which will not harm our environment, or research for cheaper & better bio degradable materials as bags & sell it to distributors, as there is a need for bags & is a huge market, even alone in Spore, not counting the World.

 

[Loofydralb]

Answer for NEA:

You do whatever you think is best and we will still vote out PAP.

 

[laksaboy]

These technocrats always seek 'feedback' or 'public consultation' after having already decided on what they were going to do.

There are so many examples over the years.

Please don't be low IQ and fall for the 'consultative govt' wayang.

 

[laksaboy]

By the way, get used to more absurd regulations to supposedly save the fucking planet... it's all a ruse to milk your wallets dry.

The country has been sold out to BlackRock by traitors.

https://www.temasek.com.sg/en/news-...-blackrock-launch-decarbonization-partnership

And it's not just the environment-related stuff. Expect more 'woke' liberal nonsense to creep in too e.g. 'diversity', 'inclusiveness' etc. Case in point: the recent news about 'menstrual leave'.

 

[eatshitndie]

very soon bring your own mug to cafes and beverage stalls serving drinks in plastic cups.

 

[Scrooball (clone)]

What’s the actual cost of each plastic bag? If it’s like 5 cents and consumers get charged 10cents, that’s 50% margin !

 

[Willamshakespear]

NEA is missing the forest for the trees in front by focusing upon consumers rather than the 'big fishes' - plastic manufacturers.

Should NEA think it can save our environment thru implementation of additional costs directly to consumers would only backfire as they do need plastic bags to contain their purchased products, & would not hurt the pockets as it is only a few cents more. Such bags will then end up either in trash cans for landfills or worst-into streets & seas. It will take a thousand years for plastic to decompose & thus a danger to Humanity when such plastics keep piling up - every second 10s of such plastics are created. In 1 year, that's 31,536,000 seconds.

Furthermore, implementation & enforcement upon consumers to save our environment would be a nightmare as there are far too many Humans to watch over. Thus, the effective focus should be upon the 'big fishes'.

Plastic is a downstream byproduct of fossil fuel - crude oil & natural gas, where ethane & propane are refined into ethylene & propylene thru chemical processes and then combined to form polymers of which plastic is derived from. Petrol-chemical plants mostly sell the ethylene & propylene in barrels to plastic manufacturers whom go on to create the several types of plastic bags & other plastic products for mass consumer use.

Singapore is a biz friendly environment since independence. Biz entities support would be needed to save our planet & future. Plastic manufacturers would be the ones to implement the 10ct rule upon each plastic bag they sell, & that 10ct would be refunded to the govt for environmental safety research, implementation of policies & enforcement. It would not harm the manufacturers or importers as they will pass on the costs to consumers. It may or may not deter consumer habits with such additional costs, but the refunded 10cts would give govts time to research & find better alternatives to plastic such as bio-degradable bags for consumers, etc.

There is not much time left for Humanity. Every second we are harming our environment & time thru the use of fossil fuels & its byproducts. We may not be able to fully ban such use, but we can LIMIT it. We need to look at the source of our planet's woes. The clock is ticking..

 

[nightsafari]

In other countries, consumers can bring empty plastic bags to the malls and deposit them into the machine and get back small change.
How about in Singapore?

ginger. it's not so straightforward. the only reason they go and deposit them back is because they paid for that deposit already. Sometimes the sum is not low.

 

[nightsafari]

foregone conclusion. already implemented in sillycon valley for over 6.9 years to rousing success. due to the 10c charge on store-provided plastic bags (10c is really a drop in the bucket for millionaire customers in the valley), shoppers prefer to bring their own bags not so much to cut cost (it’s peanuts) but to identify themselves with the atas, free-range, organic, natural, non-gmo, gluten-free, eco-friendly, locally-sourced movement. it’s the same bunch of snobs who drink blue bottle coffee at $6.9 a cup, wear $136.9 allbirds shoes, don $169 lululemon tights, go to $369 yoga lessons, ride $696 peloton bikes, and own $6.9k dogs. if you don’t carry your own eco-friendly recyclable grocery bag to the store, you’re either a clueless fob, a blue collar moron, an illegal immigrant with no sense of “climate change”, or a homeless mental case.

you forgot the $69k tesla in that list.

 

[rushifa666]

Sinkieland burns 80% of rubbish. Nothing will change this. If sinkies want to atone theres a window on every floor.

 

[searcher1]

I always wonder why impose 10cts on plastic bags, cut down straws, will save the planet ?
Just do away all the plastic bags from all supermarket, bring your own shopping bag
Also for hawker tray return, no need so troublesome. Just banned all plastic utensils & disposal cutlery
Diners have to bring their own bowl & personal cutlery to dine there.
The hawker will directly serve the food in your personal own bowl

 

[sweetiepie]

NEA will be wrong to presume that a charge of 5 or 10cts for plastic bags will save our environment. It will not, as shoppers will need something to carry their goods, at times small & other times large, will not mind that charge, as it is a need. Once used, they will probably RECYCLE back the plastic bag by placing waste material into it & then THROW it into the bin. As long as it is trash, it will not save our planet or environment. Plastic takes a thousand years to degrade into natural compost.

Instead, MAKE every manufacturer/ importers of plastic bags to sell their plastic bags at 10cts extra per bag. It will not hurt them as they will simply pass the cost to consumers, but however, it will drive their costs skywards as initial outlays. Currently a pack of 5 bags cost $3. With the added surcharge, it will cost $18. Consumers, shops & supermarkets will scream & forgo plastic bags instead.

It may spell the end for plastic bag manufacturers, but if they are innovative, they can retool & manufacture bio-degradable bags instead which will not harm our environment, or research for cheaper & better bio degradable materials as bags & sell it to distributors, as there is a need for bags & is a huge market, even alone in Spore, not counting the World.

So troublesome KNN why not aim at the root cause I.e leemit the number of plastic bags and cans production KNN what for allow it and yet prevent usage ? KNN force everyone to bring own water bottle and plastic bag KNN

 

[Willamshakespear]

So troublesome KNN why not aim at the root cause I.e leemit the number of plastic bags and cans production KNN what for allow it and yet prevent usage ? KNN force everyone to bring own water bottle and plastic bag KNN

In problem solving, one must not, never, ever use a simple immediate solution that will only eventually lead to a BIGGER problem later on.

Humans are Beings of habit. They can only support gradual changes over time & never immediate. Without majority support, any policy would be useless & unenforceable. Immediate LIMITING of cans & plastic bags would is simple & easy, but then it would cause widespread displeasure & even suffering to many, from manufacturers to workers, to consumers & then the fabric of society. There would be outcries on freedom of choice, not to mention the economic impacts of such limits which would spiral prices & inflation upwards based upon laws of supply & demand.

Cans are not an issue, as it can be easily recycled. The problem are plastics, which are a derivative of fossil fuels. Fossil fuels cannot be banned but only to be limited, as even EV cars need fossil fuels to be supplied to power stations to generate electricity to charge the vehicles. So too its downstream derivatives such as plastics, which is not just for plastic bags. It can be found as containers for your shampoo, to resuscitators in hospitals, & even water containers on space station ISS due to its lightweight.

Humanity knows how harmful fossil fuels are to our planet. If such use are unabated, then eventually we will reach the 'Rubicon Threshold' - point of no return whereby whatever we do or try, the planet is irreversibly harmed, nature changes will no longer be gradual but exponential, & each Human will be out for themselves only to survive, the destruction of civilizations to a dystopian future akin to the depictions seen in the Mad Max movie series.

Fortunately, we are close but not yet reach the Rubicon Threshold. There is still time, but we have to make effective changes NOW, before it is too late, to save our environment. As we still have need of fossil fuels, it will take time to replace such fuels. Already, within a few short years, we have scientific advancements such as alternative fuels - evolutionary solar, hydro energy, lithium ion batteries, solid state hydrogen fuel cells, etc. Similarly, we can do the same for plastics, to find bio-degradable materials to replace it, but it will take time, to save biz entities to retool, workers jobs, consumers need & societies.

 

[sweetiepie]

In problem solving, one must not, never, ever use a simple immediate solution that will only eventually lead to a BIGGER problem later on.

Humans are Beings of habit. They can only support gradual changes over time & never immediate. Without majority support, any policy would be useless & unenforceable. Immediate LIMITING of cans & plastic bags would is simple & easy, but then it would cause widespread displeasure & even suffering to many, from manufacturers to workers, to consumers & then the fabric of society. There would be outcries on freedom of choice, not to mention the economic impacts of such limits which would spiral prices & inflation upwards based upon laws of supply & demand.

Cans are not an issue, as it can be easily recycled. The problem are plastics, which are a derivative of fossil fuels. Fossil fuels cannot be banned but only to be limited, as even EV cars need fossil fuels to be supplied to power stations to generate electricity to charge the vehicles. So too its downstream derivatives such as plastics, which is not just for plastic bags. It can be found as containers for your shampoo, to resuscitators in hospitals, & even water containers on space station ISS due to its lightweight.

Humanity knows how harmful fossil fuels are to our planet. If such use are unabated, then eventually we will reach the 'Rubicon Threshold' - point of no return whereby whatever we do or try, the planet is irreversibly harmed, nature changes will no longer be gradual but exponential, & each Human will be out for themselves only to survive, the destruction of civilizations to a dystopian future akin to the depictions seen in the Mad Max movie series.

Fortunately, we are close but not yet reach the Rubicon Threshold. There is still time, but we have to make effective changes NOW, before it is too late, to save our environment. As we still have need of fossil fuels, it will take time to replace such fuels. Already, within a few short years, we have scientific advancements such as alternative fuels - evolutionary solar, hydro energy, lithium ion batteries, solid state hydrogen fuel cells, etc. Similarly, we can do the same for plastics, to find bio-degradable materials to replace it, but it will take time, to save biz entities to retool, workers jobs, consumers need & societies.

My uncle is impressed by your learned leeply KNN You are a significant sbf forummer while you always claimed as a insignificant nobody KNN claim your credit when is due KNN
My uncle suspect you are a professor

 

[Envious]

Just get this, 1 dollar only, at the same time, save your headache too.

 

[laksaboy]

I always wonder why impose 10cts on plastic bags, cut down straws, will save the planet ?
Just do away all the plastic bags from all supermarket, bring your own shopping bag
Also for hawker tray return, no need so troublesome. Just banned all plastic utensils & disposal cutlery
Diners have to bring their own bowl & personal cutlery to dine there.
The hawker will directly serve the food in your personal own bowl

Spoiler alert: it was never about saving the planet. It's about something else. The smarter ones will know.

Also, the sheer arrogance of humans, who are just a speck of dust in the cosmos of time, to fantasize themselves as the ones who can save the planet.

This is the gameplan of the anti-carbon sustainability cultists: