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Please, many people are not as clueless as you think. There are Meccan verses and Medinan verses, the doctrine of abrogation and not to mention, taqiyya.
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Serious Muslims who leave Islam should be killed, says Canadian Islamic Cleric
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Please, many people are not as clueless as you think. There are Meccan verses and Medinan verses, the doctrine of abrogation and not to mention, taqiyya.
Ehh....Liar Devil. How come only 39 seconds video. See how u try to hookwink us here? Devil always quote Quranic verses out of context. Same like fm the above video. Show me the whole video clip by the above canadian islamic cleric.
Islam is a peaceful religion. Tere is no compulsion in Islam.
https://youtu.be/yJNrHv9RCD0
The issue is not whether the Quran has been interpreted right or if faith is a personal choice. Canada should have very strict laws to protect their people from donkeys and monkeys who use religion or for that matter any form of misrepresentation that limits freedom and causes harm. Those laws must have teeth and fully enforced. Obviously Canada and for that matter many countries do not have such law. People like this idiot should be locked up.
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Yah right. Only retarded whoami still believing in this murderous cult.
Muslims all over going to Mecca for their holy pilgrimage. Look what did your Muslim brothers from this holy land where Muslims all over had to go at least once in their lifetime, had to say about apostates.
The very fact that it had to be debated about whether it is to kill an apostate even now in this modern age, shows the stupidity of this religion.
What to do with Muslims who Leave Islam? 'Kill Them' is the Verdict
[video=youtube;vhW50uM50UM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhW50uM50UM[/video]
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Such laws are absent from UK too. And the UK police are not keen to investigate such cases because it makes them look racist.
An Asian family who converted to Christianity claim they are being driven out of their home for the second time by Muslim persecutors.
Nissar Hussain, his wife Kubra and their six children said they have suffered an appalling ordeal at the hands of neighbours who regard them as blasphemers.
They claim they are effectively prisoners in their own home after being attacked in the street, having their car windscreens repeatedly smashed and eggs thrown at their windows.
Mr Hussain, 49, has even given up his career as a nurse due to the effect on his health.
Police have been called numerous times to deal with the trouble but are said to be reluctant to treat the problem as a religious hate crime.
Appalling treatment: The Hussain family (from left to right: Father Nissar Hussain, 49, his children, Anniesa, 21, Miriam, 17, Leena, 14, Isaaq, 7, Sarah, 19, and wife Kubra, 45,) are regarded as 'blasphemers' by their neighbours
Only one successful prosecution has been made, and Mr Hussain said he feels so let down by police he has lodged a complaint with the Independent Police Complaints Commission.
He also criticised the Anglican Church for failing to provide any meaningful support.
Now the family are likely to move from their home city of Bradford to a 'white English' area to escape the hate campaign.
'Our lives have been sabotaged and this shouldn't happen in the United Kingdom,' said Mr Hussain.
'We live in a free democratic society and what they are doing to us is abhorrent.'
The Daily Mail first reported the family's ordeal in 2005 when they accused Muslims of a campaign of ethnic cleansing against them.
A year later they moved to a different part of Bradford to start again.
Neighbours welcomed them into the community and all was well until Mr Hussain took part in a Channel 4 Dispatches TV documentary about the mistreatment of Muslim converts, which was screened in 2008.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...en-home-Muslim-persecutors.html#ixzz4Z7poh3tQ
Agreed. In Singapore this type of inflammatory scumbag would be incarcerated in a hellhole by the ISD!
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Pakistan is drafting a document on how to beat women. STFU up lon the religion of peace nonsense
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Do you know of many minahs marrying cina men and leaving Islam?
We can indeed see the freedom, peace and tolerance of Islam in pakistan, saudi arabia, yemen, egypt, syria, turkey, libya, north nigeria, ghettoes of europe.
Perhaps, this is one of the reasons, that Donald Trump desire to ban Muslims from entering the USA.
It may be better for the Muslims to remain and practise their faith in their countries, if they are unable to follow the law of the land where they emigrated to.
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But isn't America land of the free. Where you can practice your religion freely? Why Muslim singled out? Not principle at all! All white devils very hypocrite I tell you!
But isn't America land of the free. Where you can practice your religion freely? Why Muslim singled out? Not principle at all! All white devils very hypocrite I tell you!
It may be the land of the free,
but members of a certain faith,
appear to be unable to live in peace with others,
and may be trying to impose their ways on the host country.
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agreed. is living in fear considered free? in modern times there is perhaps no religion more dangerous
Perhaps, the USA and Canada should decline to accept any more Muslim refugees, otherwise,
very soon, the USA and Canada, will probably be like the UK, where it is projected that the Muslims
will form the majority of its population.
Unfortunately, they may not be tolerant of the host country which accepted them,
and they may not conform or be at peace with the culture and norms of the host country.
very soon, the USA and Canada, will probably be like the UK, where it is projected that the Muslims
will form the majority of its population.
Unfortunately, they may not be tolerant of the host country which accepted them,
and they may not conform or be at peace with the culture and norms of the host country.
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http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmon...ual-assault-reaction-racism-1.3973831?cmp=rss
Reports that a man accused of sexual assaults on six Edmonton teenage girls was a Syrian refugee have ignited a firestorm of reaction, from anti-immigration diatribes to criticism about how the media dealt with the story.
Groups that work with refugees in the city have been inundated with calls and texts over the past 24 hours, some from people calling for an end to the refugee program and others from refugees themselves apologizing on behalf of their community.
Erick Ambtman, executive director of the Edmonton Mennonite Centre for Newcomers, said his organization received a message on Twitter from a white supremacist group that included a picture of a Syrian refugee, asking the centre to confirm whether the photo was the same man accused of the crimes.
"It may be just to scare us or to unnerve people," Ambtman said.
"But around my office that's what's happening. People are starting to get really nervous, and the [English] language students are starting to get really nervous.
"And the Syrian students are apologizing for somebody who they don't even know, because he's got the same country of origin as they do.
"It's really spiralling into a really ugly place."
Soleiman Hajj Soleiman, 39, was arrested Saturday and charged with six counts of sexual assault and six counts of sexual interference after six teenage girls, all younger than 16, told police they were inappropriately touched while swimming at the West Edmonton Mall water park.
[h=2]New complainant comes forward[/h]When Edmonton police announced the charges on Wednesday, they urged any other complainants or witnesses to contact them. One more complainant and one more witness have since come forward, police spokesperson Scott Pattison said Thursday.
The man charged in the case was a Syrian refugee who arrived in Canada in January 2016, a fact that was reported Wednesday by numerous news outlets, including CBC News.
The story was quickly picked up by alt-right websites and anti-immigration groups. It was shared widely on social media.
Mohamed Huque, executive director of the Islamic Family and Social Services Association, says he's worried that revealing the accused's refugee status will unfairly vilify an entire community. (Submitted by Mohamed Huque )
Mohamed Huque, executive director of the Islamic Family and Social Services Association, said reports about Soleiman's refugee status unfairly vilified an entire community.
"It's going to inflame a segment of our population who already harbour a bias, a discrimination or unfair views towards newcomers," said Huque, whose group last year helped resettle 250 Syrian refugees.
"I think this certainly emboldens them."
Huque said the case is already being used to incite fear of new immigrants, and has cast a negative light on thousands of refugees.
"The insertion of two words — Syrian refugee — completely changed the dimension of the story," he said. "What was initially a local crime story became a wider discussion about screening practices, immigration levels. It just turned into an entirely different debate."
[h=2]'It's not relevant to the story'[/h]Huque said the suspect's immigration status is not relevant to the crime, and journalists had a duty to keep those details out of their coverage. He said news outlets, including CBC, are often inconsistent in their reporting on the racial backgrounds of suspects.
Media reports must take into account the everyday discriminations newcomers to Canada often face, Huque said.
Deciding who to publicly identify without recognizing the hostility towards immigrants will make already vulnerable people targets for more hatred, he said.
"If this person was Caucasian, that wouldn't have been identified in any way, because it's not relevant to the story. And his immigration status certainly shouldn't be.
"Responsible journalists should be aware of the political climate, so when we use that kind of language or when we ascribe a community to an individual, we need to be wary of the implications," Huque said.
When the media reports stories like this one, decisions about what information is relevant have to be made on a case-by-case basis and sometimes on a day-by-day basis, said David Tait, a professor at Ottawa's Carleton University who has taught ethics courses at the journalism school.
"Journalists have to sort of go and look at a situation not from the standpoint of, 'Is there public appetite for this information? Do people want to know it?' But, 'Is that detail relevant at this stage to this story?'
"And that's a very difficult thing to determine as a journalist, because you also have to be careful that you're not making your judgment for some sort of social engineering purpose.
"To say, 'Oh I don't want to make these sorts of people look bad' or 'I don't want to make these sorts of people look good.' You shouldn't make your journalistic judgments based on how you want people to think about something, because that's not the journalistic mission."
[h=2]'Our job is to report what's going on'[/h]Tait said in this case, while reporting immediately after the arrest was made public, he would have questioned whether details about the accused's background were relevant.
"My question would be, would we have run additional background details about this person if they were a gay man? A gun owner? If they were Jewish? If they were a fundamentalist Christian? If they were a recent arrival from the United States? If they were any number of other identifiers?"
It's the responsibility of journalists to try to determine what the public needs to know to understand the story. Once the public has the information, people will make their own choices about what's relevant to them, he said.
Some will seize on information that confirms their own views about the world and overlook other aspects of the story.
"Our job is to report what's going on out there in the world," he said.
The story about the water park allegation, Tait said, "is a classic example of where people these days are rushing to grab details, to use individual facts as weapons instead of looking at those details and saying, 'How does this fit into my developing understanding of the world?'"
Ambtman said Soleiman came to Canada in January 2016 with his wife and six children, aged one to 13 years. The family was assisted by the Mennonite Centre.
Some commenters are exploiting the fact that a Syrian refugee has been charged with a crime, he said.
"They're exploiting what's happened to these girls to say something about immigration, and it's just a really ugly thing to do. It's been pretty awful to bear witness to."
It will be up to the justice system to determine the facts of the case and, if a crime has been committed, punish the person responsible, he said.
"To make this about immigration is just absurd. What has happened is there has been a sexual assault at West Edmonton Mall and six girls are going to be traumatized likely for the rest of their lives because of a crime that somebody perpetrated on them. To me, that's the concern."
Reports that a man accused of sexual assaults on six Edmonton teenage girls was a Syrian refugee have ignited a firestorm of reaction, from anti-immigration diatribes to criticism about how the media dealt with the story.
Groups that work with refugees in the city have been inundated with calls and texts over the past 24 hours, some from people calling for an end to the refugee program and others from refugees themselves apologizing on behalf of their community.
Erick Ambtman, executive director of the Edmonton Mennonite Centre for Newcomers, said his organization received a message on Twitter from a white supremacist group that included a picture of a Syrian refugee, asking the centre to confirm whether the photo was the same man accused of the crimes.
"It may be just to scare us or to unnerve people," Ambtman said.
"But around my office that's what's happening. People are starting to get really nervous, and the [English] language students are starting to get really nervous.
"And the Syrian students are apologizing for somebody who they don't even know, because he's got the same country of origin as they do.
"It's really spiralling into a really ugly place."
Soleiman Hajj Soleiman, 39, was arrested Saturday and charged with six counts of sexual assault and six counts of sexual interference after six teenage girls, all younger than 16, told police they were inappropriately touched while swimming at the West Edmonton Mall water park.
[h=2]New complainant comes forward[/h]When Edmonton police announced the charges on Wednesday, they urged any other complainants or witnesses to contact them. One more complainant and one more witness have since come forward, police spokesperson Scott Pattison said Thursday.
The man charged in the case was a Syrian refugee who arrived in Canada in January 2016, a fact that was reported Wednesday by numerous news outlets, including CBC News.
The story was quickly picked up by alt-right websites and anti-immigration groups. It was shared widely on social media.
Mohamed Huque, executive director of the Islamic Family and Social Services Association, said reports about Soleiman's refugee status unfairly vilified an entire community.
"It's going to inflame a segment of our population who already harbour a bias, a discrimination or unfair views towards newcomers," said Huque, whose group last year helped resettle 250 Syrian refugees.
"I think this certainly emboldens them."
Huque said the case is already being used to incite fear of new immigrants, and has cast a negative light on thousands of refugees.
"The insertion of two words — Syrian refugee — completely changed the dimension of the story," he said. "What was initially a local crime story became a wider discussion about screening practices, immigration levels. It just turned into an entirely different debate."
[h=2]'It's not relevant to the story'[/h]Huque said the suspect's immigration status is not relevant to the crime, and journalists had a duty to keep those details out of their coverage. He said news outlets, including CBC, are often inconsistent in their reporting on the racial backgrounds of suspects.
Media reports must take into account the everyday discriminations newcomers to Canada often face, Huque said.
Deciding who to publicly identify without recognizing the hostility towards immigrants will make already vulnerable people targets for more hatred, he said.
"If this person was Caucasian, that wouldn't have been identified in any way, because it's not relevant to the story. And his immigration status certainly shouldn't be.
"Responsible journalists should be aware of the political climate, so when we use that kind of language or when we ascribe a community to an individual, we need to be wary of the implications," Huque said.
When the media reports stories like this one, decisions about what information is relevant have to be made on a case-by-case basis and sometimes on a day-by-day basis, said David Tait, a professor at Ottawa's Carleton University who has taught ethics courses at the journalism school.
"Journalists have to sort of go and look at a situation not from the standpoint of, 'Is there public appetite for this information? Do people want to know it?' But, 'Is that detail relevant at this stage to this story?'
"And that's a very difficult thing to determine as a journalist, because you also have to be careful that you're not making your judgment for some sort of social engineering purpose.
"To say, 'Oh I don't want to make these sorts of people look bad' or 'I don't want to make these sorts of people look good.' You shouldn't make your journalistic judgments based on how you want people to think about something, because that's not the journalistic mission."
[h=2]'Our job is to report what's going on'[/h]Tait said in this case, while reporting immediately after the arrest was made public, he would have questioned whether details about the accused's background were relevant.
"My question would be, would we have run additional background details about this person if they were a gay man? A gun owner? If they were Jewish? If they were a fundamentalist Christian? If they were a recent arrival from the United States? If they were any number of other identifiers?"
It's the responsibility of journalists to try to determine what the public needs to know to understand the story. Once the public has the information, people will make their own choices about what's relevant to them, he said.
Some will seize on information that confirms their own views about the world and overlook other aspects of the story.
"Our job is to report what's going on out there in the world," he said.
The story about the water park allegation, Tait said, "is a classic example of where people these days are rushing to grab details, to use individual facts as weapons instead of looking at those details and saying, 'How does this fit into my developing understanding of the world?'"
Ambtman said Soleiman came to Canada in January 2016 with his wife and six children, aged one to 13 years. The family was assisted by the Mennonite Centre.
Some commenters are exploiting the fact that a Syrian refugee has been charged with a crime, he said.
"They're exploiting what's happened to these girls to say something about immigration, and it's just a really ugly thing to do. It's been pretty awful to bear witness to."
It will be up to the justice system to determine the facts of the case and, if a crime has been committed, punish the person responsible, he said.
"To make this about immigration is just absurd. What has happened is there has been a sexual assault at West Edmonton Mall and six girls are going to be traumatized likely for the rest of their lives because of a crime that somebody perpetrated on them. To me, that's the concern."
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There are already Muslim ghettos in first world countries where they dont even speak the language well. Is it integration when you huddle only with your "own"? I do realise that there is a Chinatown almost everywhere. Ironically America seems to handle melting much better, despise all the racism and the rednecks. What is scary is the kind of Muslims that go there. Ours are balless moderates. They take in the more extreme variant. How can any bank, for example, allow a ninja to enter but not you wearing a full face helmet?
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Yes. I fully agree with you. But most western democratic governments are too pansy and liberal values are stuck in their heads. Anyways, leave the action on the streets to their home-grown right-wing movements. I trust they will eventually set things the way they should be. Just hope it doesn't flare up in the neighbourhoods we live in.
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They wont agree with me either. All christians are good in their eyes.
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