Muslim and their logic

[freedalas]

I'm with Devil Within on this. When I first saw his moniker, my first impression wasn't 'devil's advocate' or that he believed in God or the devil. My impression was that he was mocking religion, much as an Islamophobe might use the moniker 'Allah's Virgins' to mock Islam rather than to profess his faith in Allah. And subsequently, upon reading his posts, my initial impression was confirmed.

I'm sure most forumers here will agree with me that using words terms sacred to believers like 'Jesus', 'Allah', 'Devil', 'Mohammed' as part of your moniker does not necessarily imply a belief in that faith, which was your initial allegation. It could in fact be the opposite – an atheist or agnostic mocking that faith or its followers.

Read my reply to Devil Within.

 

[freedalas]

Personally I think all conventional organized religion is stupid, and their followers a bunch of brainwashed halfwits. Other than that, I don't feel the need to go to extremes of badmouthing and cursing members of any religion, because I believe everyone has the right to believe in whatever propaganda he chooses, no matter how nonsensical or ludicrous.

But I'll step in when untruths are uttered, like atheists are responsible for more deaths in history than Christians. Or when modern-day mullahs and imams are threatening world peace by preaching a distorted, militant version of Islam, making it a fertile seed-bed for terrorists. Or when Zionists bomb hospitals and kill civilians and children in Gaza in the name of sovereign security, and the US keeps vetoing every single UN resolution that's brought up against Israel. Or when Sinkie Christians refuse to attend their parents' Taoist funerals because they believe that anything not of their faith must come from the Devil.

"Other than that, I don't feel the need to go to extremes of badmouthing and cursing members of any religion, because I believe everyone has the right to believe in whatever propaganda he chooses, no matter how nonsensical or ludicrous." If people on social media can adopt such a stance when discussing religion, then it is fine. The trouble is that it almost never goes this way. Inevitably there will be names calling and negative labeling and the substance of the discussion is all lost.

 

[Devil Within]

When and where did I say you worship the devil? I am saying that the fact you used the word "devil" means you acknowledge that there is such a concept. And you reinforced that by adding the word "within" to your nick.

In my earlier posts, I said whenever the topic of religion is being discussed on social media, it tends to become inflammatory and attacks become personal. You are one very good example of this. You use pompous words and high sounding phrases but in the end you are still all about calling people names and labeling people with faith as retards etc. Just because you don't have a faith does not give you the right to do that to people with a faith. Religion can be discussed but not in the manner you do so. Had it been a face to face discussion, you won't dare to utter a single word of such nature. You do so only because you can hide behind your computer. Intellectual you try to be but in the end it is all sound and fury and nothing else.

Everyone can be familiar with concept of God and Devil but doesn't mean they believe in these rubbish. I used it to bring a point about my role here in the forum. Doesn't mean I believe in Devil. It is you who insisted on insinuating that I must have worshipped the Devil because I am familiar with the concept of what Devil means.

Discussion is futile when religious idiots closed off their mind to reason and logic. If they were open to the truth based on evidence, they would have already see the stupidity of believing in something that does not exist. If they exist, where is the proof? They can't prove God's existence and yet proclaim it as absolute truth.

Even if God is a concept, a theory, it has to have a proof, even if it is a circumstantial proof where experimentation can be conducted or observed repeatedly to yield similar results. BUT NO! They blindly believe just because someone in the past who without even knowing that the earth is round or the biology of a human body, wrote some fantasy stories about the universe and life and how it should work.. The story mixed with some historical events just like how Jin Yong would use history to write up his condor hero trilogy.

Discussion can only be useful when parties willing to discard what is proven wrong and accept what is proven correct. Stating and blindly believing that Earth is only 5000 years when there are numerous evidences showing otherwise, no amount of discussion will change an idiot's mind. In this case I would rather insult his stupidity than waste time trying to convince him with undeniable evidence.

 

[ChaoPappyPoodle]

Very perceptive. Kudos. The most intelligent post here. The roots of Islamic terrorism and the mass exodus of Muslim refugees from war-torn lands lie in Western imperialist and neo-colonialist adventurism, plus the scourge of Zionism.

Bastard Muslim goat fucker. KNBPCCB Muslim fucker. In Pakistan and Bangladesh also you bastards attack each other and those not Muslims. You know how many Muslim countries there are in the world? Still want to complain about western imperialism? You bastard Muslims cannot face the truth that you prophet was a pedophile, rapist, mass murderer, behead people some more and even robbed caravans and villages. He killed so many men and boys and then raped the young girls and women.

You bastard Muslims actually believe a bastard such as Mohammed can be a prophet and that is why you Muslims are always cursed and fighting each other and others.

Sex Slaves by Muslims are inspired by Muhammed
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-rape-because-koran-condones-it-10271703.html

Death for Apostasy
http://www.onislam.net/english/ask-...s/486305-apostates-should-they-be-killed.html


You're clearly mistaken . You ought to read Quran 4:24 and the history behind it . Prophet Muhammad allowed the rape of some married women amidst their husband . It is recorded in Tafsir Ibn Kathir of Quran 4:24 , Seerah and all Sahih Hadith http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=684&Itemid=59


ISIS is guided by Sunnah and Quran . If you read the history behind the verse Q 4:24 and the battle of Hunayn , it'll NOT be difficult to really understand that Quran allow raping infidel women in war . If the women are married then their marriage with their infidel husband is abrogated and she is available for sex . http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=684&Itemid=59

80% of Muslims support ISIS
http://dailysurge.com/2015/05/al-jazeera-arabic-poll-81-of-respondents-support-isis/


Muhammed/Muslims and Sex Slaves and Enslavement of Boys
http://www.islam-watch.org/Larry/Muhammad-Massacres-and-Sex-slaves.htm
http://www.answering-islam.org/Responses/Osama/zawadi_safiyyah.htm

 

[ChaoPappyPoodle]

The correct statement is they are unhappy in lands which have been invaded, plundered and divided by western forces intent on maintaining instability to keep the status quo.

You Muslim bastards have been at wars ever since your pedophile, rapist, mass murderer, thief Mohammed began his savage and satanic conquest of the middle east.

Bastard Muslim goat fucker. KNBPCCB Muslim fucker. In Pakistan and Bangladesh also you bastards attack each other and those not Muslims. You know how many Muslim countries there are in the world? Still want to complain about western imperialism? You bastard Muslims cannot face the truth that you prophet was a pedophile, rapist, mass murderer, behead people some more and even robbed caravans and villages. He killed so many men and boys and then raped the young girls and women.

You bastard Muslims actually believe a bastard such as Mohammed can be a prophet and that is why you Muslims are always cursed and fighting each other and others.

Sex Slaves by Muslims are inspired by Muhammed
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-rape-because-koran-condones-it-10271703.html

Death for Apostasy
http://www.onislam.net/english/ask-...s/486305-apostates-should-they-be-killed.html


You're clearly mistaken . You ought to read Quran 4:24 and the history behind it . Prophet Muhammad allowed the rape of some married women amidst their husband . It is recorded in Tafsir Ibn Kathir of Quran 4:24 , Seerah and all Sahih Hadith http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=684&Itemid=59


ISIS is guided by Sunnah and Quran . If you read the history behind the verse Q 4:24 and the battle of Hunayn , it'll NOT be difficult to really understand that Quran allow raping infidel women in war . If the women are married then their marriage with their infidel husband is abrogated and she is available for sex . http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=684&Itemid=59

80% of Muslims support ISIS
http://dailysurge.com/2015/05/al-jazeera-arabic-poll-81-of-respondents-support-isis/


Muhammed/Muslims and Sex Slaves and Enslavement of Boys
http://www.islam-watch.org/Larry/Muhammad-Massacres-and-Sex-slaves.htm
http://www.answering-islam.org/Responses/Osama/zawadi_safiyyah.htm

 

[ChaoPappyPoodle]

Muslims that become religious ultimately become savage murderers. It is in their Satanic Books that they learn the precepts of war and all the other criminal acts of their prophet Mohammed.

You can see these bastards will always kill each other and non-Muslims not only in Western lands but in their own Muslim lands. They will kill, rape, murder, torture, lie, cheat, enslave and still claim they are a Religion of Peace. These are the type of people you should never ever trust. They will always deny their crimes while at the same time they laugh at you and plan their next immoral activities. The moral compass of a Muslim is very much like the moral compass of the devil himself. All the most disgusting and evil crimes can be said to be part of their normal activities.

Sex Slaves by Muslims are inspired by Muhammed
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-rape-because-koran-condones-it-10271703.html

Death for Apostasy
http://www.onislam.net/english/ask-...s/486305-apostates-should-they-be-killed.html


You're clearly mistaken . You ought to read Quran 4:24 and the history behind it . Prophet Muhammad allowed the rape of some married women amidst their husband . It is recorded in Tafsir Ibn Kathir of Quran 4:24 , Seerah and all Sahih Hadith http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=684&Itemid=59


ISIS is guided by Sunnah and Quran . If you read the history behind the verse Q 4:24 and the battle of Hunayn , it'll NOT be difficult to really understand that Quran allow raping infidel women in war . If the women are married then their marriage with their infidel husband is abrogated and she is available for sex . http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=684&Itemid=59

80% of Muslims support ISIS
http://dailysurge.com/2015/05/al-jazeera-arabic-poll-81-of-respondents-support-isis/


Muhammed/Muslims and Sex Slaves and Enslavement of Boys
http://www.islam-watch.org/Larry/Muhammad-Massacres-and-Sex-slaves.htm
http://www.answering-islam.org/Responses/Osama/zawadi_safiyyah.htm

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

 

[freedalas]

Everyone can be familiar with concept of God and Devil but doesn't mean they believe in these rubbish. I used it to bring a point about my role here in the forum. Doesn't mean I believe in Devil. It is you who insisted on insinuating that I must have worshipped the Devil because I am familiar with the concept of what Devil means.

Discussion is futile when religious idiots closed off their mind to reason and logic. If they were open to the truth based on evidence, they would have already see the stupidity of believing in something that does not exist. If they exist, where is the proof? They can't prove God's existence and yet proclaim it as absolute truth.

Even if God is a concept, a theory, it has to have a proof, even if it is a circumstantial proof where experimentation can be conducted or observed repeatedly to yield similar results. BUT NO! They blindly believe just because someone in the past who without even knowing that the earth is round or the biology of a human body, wrote some fantasy stories about the universe and life and how it should work.. The story mixed with some historical events just like how Jin Yong would use history to write up his condor hero trilogy.

Discussion can only be useful when parties willing to discard what is proven wrong and accept what is proven correct. Stating and blindly believing that Earth is only 5000 years when there are numerous evidences showing otherwise, no amount of discussion will change an idiot's mind. In this case I would rather insult his stupidity than waste time trying to convince him of the undeniable evidence.

Discussing religion is not futile. It is only futile when discussing with you. Your so-called discussion is all strewn with words like "stupid" and "idiot" and hurling insults at the other party. You keep accusing the other party of closing their minds but from all that you have written so far, you are the one guilty of it most. So yours is not a discussion at all. It is just ranting, ranting and ranting.

 

[Devil Within]

Had it been a face to face discussion, you won't dare to utter a single word of such nature. You do so only because you can hide behind your computer. Intellectual you try to be but in the end it is all sound and fury and nothing else.

You can have whatever stupid belief you want in private, I have no problem with that. But when you want to show off your stupidity to me and want me to follow your stupid beliefs, that is when I will show you my insults.

It is the same even when face to face. I will tell them of their stupid blind faith belief when they come evangelising at my door step. So far it is only Christians cos they like to show off their stupid beliefs and promote it openly door to door.

Muslims are much clever than that. They do it in their private and it is fine with me. They don't come to disturb my peace. They only blow themselves or others up, but that is another issue.

I don't go out to insult your faith. Only when you want to show it off to me in open and ask me to join you. That is when I will insult you. Even face to face.

Here in cyberspace, it is more prevalent.

 

[Devil Within]

Discussing religion is not futile. It is only futile when discussing with you. Your so-called discussion is all strewn with words like "stupid" and "idiot" and hurling insults at the other party. You keep accusing the other party of closing their minds but from all that you have written so far, you are the one guilty of it most. So yours is not a discussion at all. It is just ranting, ranting and ranting.

Show me your proof and evidence of your God and I will follow your belief. If not, you are just being stupid.

Go on, prove to me with evidence of God that I am mistaken.

 

[ChaoPappyPoodle]

Show me your proof and evidence of your God and I will follow your belief. If not, you are just being stupid.

Go on, prove to me with evidence of God that I am mistaken.

His is a Moose Limb, they only know of god, their Allah through one man, Muhammed. The life of Muhammed according to none other than Islamic texts is clear cut. Muhammed was a pedophile, rapist, plunderer, mass murderer, pervert who lusted after his own daughter in law and cousin, went against almost every law he said Allah gave to him, and beheaded and fought numerous wars from which he always kept 10% of the loot for himself. He was there to select the prettiest girls for his concubine or as his sex slave.

If you want to find out about Muhammed and his treacherous ways then start here.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/muhammad/myths-mu-home.htm

This is the quran and its clear cut calls to everlasting violence not just against non-Muslims but against Muslims that do not practice Islam faithfully.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm

 

[yellowarse]

Bastard Muslim goat fucker. KNBPCCB Muslim fucker. In Pakistan and Bangladesh also you bastards attack each other and those not Muslims. You know how many Muslim countries there are in the world? Still want to complain about western imperialism? You bastard Muslims cannot face the truth that you prophet was a pedophile, rapist, mass murderer, behead people some more and even robbed caravans and villages. He killed so many men and boys and then raped the young girls and women.

Hallo, me a Muslim? Your irrational hatred of Islam is making you foam at your mouth, blindly attaching the 'Muslim' label to anyone who disagrees with you.

I merely laugh at all followers of religion, including Islam and yours – Christianity. See my quote below to freedalas:

Personally I think all conventional organized religion is stupid, and their followers a bunch of brainwashed halfwits. Other than that, I don't feel the need to go to extremes of badmouthing and cursing members of any religion, because I believe everyone has the right to believe in whatever propaganda he chooses, no matter how nonsensical or ludicrous.

 

[ChaoPappyPoodle]

Hallo, me a Muslim? Your irrational hatred of Islam is making you foam at your mouth, blindly attaching the 'Muslim' label to anyone who disagrees with you.

I merely laugh at all followers of religion, including Islam and yours – Christianity. See my quote below to freedalas:

Only a Muslim will call hatred for Islam irrational. You are stinking Moose Limb. A true goat fucker and a pedophile in the blood and loins.

 

[ChaoPappyPoodle]

Hallo, me a Muslim? Your irrational hatred of Islam is making you foam at your mouth, blindly attaching the 'Muslim' label to anyone who disagrees with you.

I merely laugh at all followers of religion, including Islam and yours – Christianity. See my quote below to freedalas:

You're a sick bastard that loves it when Muslims rape women. Hundreds of thousands of Hindu girls and women were raped by Muslim men as recently as the 1970s. Rape has always been Muhammed's preferred act. He seemed to get an additional kick after killing the men that he could then foam at the mouth as he has his ways with the girls and women. Bastard Muhammed!

http://www.gendercide.org/case_bangladesh.html

There are several other episodes in which Muhammad is offered the clear opportunity to disavow raping women - yet he instead offers advice on how to proceed. In one case, his men were reluctant to devalue their new slaves for later resale by getting them pregnant. Muhammad was asked about coitus interruptus in particular:

"O Allah's Apostle! We get female captives as our share of booty, and we are interested in their prices, what is your opinion about coitus interruptus?" The Prophet said, "Do you really do that? It is better for you not to do it. No soul that which Allah has destined to exist, but will surely come into existence.” (Bukhari 34:432)

As indicated, the prophet of Islam did not mind his men raping the women, provided they ejaculated within the bodies of their victims.

As one might imagine, Muhammad's obvious approval of raping women captured in battle and his own personal participation as recorded in many places is of intense inconvenience to the Muslim apologists of our time. For this reason, some of them attempt to explain away these many episodes and Qur'anic references to sex with captives by pretending that these are cases in which women have fled bad marriages and sought refuge with the Muslims. Some apologists even refer to them as "wives," even though the Qur'an makes a clear distinction between "those whom thy right hand possesses" and true wives (see Sura 33:50).

Beyond the desperation of the 21st century apologist however, there is absolutely nothing in the historical text that supports this rosy revision of Muslim history. The women of the Banu Mustaliq were sold into slavery following their rape:

"We went out with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) on the expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing 'azl (Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid-conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah's Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him), and he said: It does not matter" (Sahih Muslim 3371)

In fact, female slaves were traded like any other simple commodity by Muhammad and his band of devoted followers:
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/muhammad/myths-mu-rape.htm

 

[yellowarse]

Only a Muslim will call hatred for Islam irrational. You are stinking Moose Limb. A true goat fucker and a pedophile in the blood and loins.

You're wrong. Anyone who hates any religion with your level of extremism is irrational, whether it's Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism or Hinduism. You must be a fundamentalist Christian, because only a fundamentalist can hate any other religion with such venomous anger.

I on the other hand laugh at people of all religions, especially retards like yourself who are so conditioned by your own religion that you start brandishing the 'Moose Limb' label everywhere at people who see through Western hypocrisy.

And for your info, freedalas is a Christian like yourself, not a Muslim.

 

[ChaoPappyPoodle]

You're wrong. Anyone who hates any religion with your level of extremism is irrational, whether it's Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism or Hinduism. You must be a fundamentalist Christian, because only a fundamentalist can hate any other religion with such venomous anger.

I on the other hand laugh at people of all religions, especially retards like yourself who are so conditioned by your own religion that you start brandishing the 'Moose Limb' label everywhere at people who see through Western hypocrisy.

And for your info, freedalas is a Christian like yourself, not a Muslim.

Go fuck spider you cheebye mudder fucker! The reason you love Moose Limbs s because you are a pedophile and a rapist and you admire a master criminal like Profit Muhammed. You are a sick bastard. Anyone that approves or can be tolerant of the savage acts of Profit Muhammed should be beheaded.

 

[freedalas]

Hallo, me a Muslim? Your irrational hatred of Islam is making you foam at your mouth, blindly attaching the 'Muslim' label to anyone who disagrees with you.

I merely laugh at all followers of religion, including Islam and yours – Christianity. See my quote below to

freedalas:

You see where I am coming from now. It is rather difficult to hold a calm and meaningful discussion on religion in social media. It always end up in obscenities and callous remarks. In your case, you are not even of any faith and yet just because you do not take any such extreme position against a particular faith, you are subjected such extreme verbal abuse. You sound like a rational and reasonable person. But not many others that come to such a forum is like you. And so my fear is that things can spin very out of control that threaten our religious harmony. That was my only point actually.

 

[freedalas]

Show me your proof and evidence of your God and I will follow your belief. If not, you are just being stupid.

Go on, prove to me with evidence of God that I am mistaken.

I am not here to defend any religion or faith. My point was simply that we should refrain from making insensitive remarks and extreme views against people with a faith. As I said earlier, by all means discuss religion which include pointing out the flaws and inconsistencies or even hypocrisies, but do not insult, make fun or attack the believers. If you do that, whatever good points you may have are rendered as bigotry.

 

[ChaoPappyPoodle]

I am not here to defend any religion or faith. My point was simply that we should refrain from making insensitive remarks and extreme views against people with a faith. As I said earlier, by all means discuss religion which include pointing out the flaws and inconsistencies or even hypocrisies, but do not insult, make fun or attack the believers. If you do that, whatever good points you may have are rendered as bigotry.

Islam is not a faith nor a religion. It is a Crime Syndicate. They operate very much like the mafia. Religion is used because Muhammed realized it was a powerful mechanism to control the people. At the very front of Islam is conquest, looting and collection of booty. The afterlife or saving souls is far behind in its practice by Muhammed. You can pretend all you want but the truth about Islam should be made known to more people. The irony of it all is every negative fact of Muhammed is from Islamic scripture itself. Very little facts are from non-islamic literature. Another interesting fact of Muhammed is nothing was written of him for more than 150 years after his death. Then almost suddenly each day of his life was brought alive in Islamic scripture.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/muhammad/myths-mu-home.htm
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm
Islam and Wars
The Muslims have never united since they were created over 1400 years ago. It's been a constant and violent fight ever since!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ridda_wars
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_war
http://www.historyofjihad.org/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Barbary_War
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Barbary_War
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_Ottoman_Empire
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_slave_trade

 

[Devil Within]

I am not here to defend any religion or faith. My point was simply that we should refrain from making insensitive remarks and extreme views against people with a faith. As I said earlier, by all means discuss religion which include pointing out the flaws and inconsistencies or even hypocrisies, but do not insult, make fun or attack the believers. If you do that, whatever good points you may have are rendered as bigotry.

As I have said it already, it is a waste of time discussing with retarded religious idiots. You call it name-calling, I call it stating the obvious.

You don't want to insult, that is your prerogative. I have been discussing religious issue and debating it for long enough time to know that it is a waste of time for the retarded blind faithful. I do how I deem fit in "discussing". You do what you want but don't restrict my way of discussing and I won't insist you following my way.

You do what you see fit and I do what I see fit as well. We'll see who will be wasting time and who can get the point thru.


Lastly, I am not a bigot. If any religious faithful can prove to me the existence of God without doubt, I will follow them wholeheartedly. On the contrary, I have shown them evidence of the falsehood and contradiction in their scriptures and yet, they insisted that their scriptures has no mistakes and followed it blindly. Who are the real bigots here?

 

[Rogue Trader]

You see where I am coming from now. It is rather difficult to hold a calm and meaningful discussion on religion in social media. It always end up in obscenities and callous remarks. In your case, you are not even of any faith and yet just because you do not take any such extreme position against a particular faith, you are subjected such extreme verbal abuse. You sound like a rational and reasonable person. But not many others that come to such a forum is like you. And so my fear is that things can spin very out of control that threaten our religious harmony. That was my only point actually.

You are over reacting.

Please read the opening post again. It insults NO ONE and merely asks very simple questions.

If people don't have the critical minds to ask simple questions then the human civilisation is truly finished.