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More Indonesians becoming S'poreans (Acceptable?)

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Executive Eggy Laxmi Putri, 37, with her Singaporean husband Mohd Rafi Ani, 39, a secondary school teacher, and son Al Fariz Naufal, four. She said she took up Singapore citizenship to have a better life, as she could not find a full-time job in her native Jakarta despite being a university graduate. :eek: -- ST PHOTO: TED CHEN

By Amelia Tan
MORE Indonesians have become Singapore citizens in the past two years, reversing a previous decline, according to the records of Indonesia's embassy here.

The number rose from about 630 in 2010 to about 740 in 2011 and climbed again to about 870 last year.

Still, these figures are below earlier highs. In 2009, about 960 renounced their Indonesian citizenship to become Singaporeans; about 1,180 did so in 2008.

Many who give up their Indonesian citizenship are married to Singaporeans, said an embassy spokesman.

The embassy does not keep records of their race or religion, but their names suggest they are a mix of various ethnic groups, from Chinese to Javanese and Sundanese, he added.

The drop in 2010 was probably due to Singapore tightening its immigration policies in the run-up to the 2011 General Election, said Singapore Management University's Professor Hoon Chang Yau, who researches the culture and history of the Chinese in Indonesia.

The Government had in 2009 tightened the PR and citizenship criteria to ease concerns over the influx of foreigners.

But fears that Singapore could become even more strict may have led to the subsequent increases, he added. "Some Indonesians may have felt they should take up citizenship immediately or it would be tougher to do so in the future."

Indonesian community leaders here said Singapore is a top destination for emigration as it offers good jobs, safety and good education for their children.

But Mr Yoga Dirga Cahya, president of the Indonesian Community Forum in Singapore, said thatmany do not renounce their citizenship because of strong ties with their families back home.

The forum is an umbrella body for about 10 associations for Indonesians in Singapore, and organises events for almost 200,000 Indonesians living here.

Mr Yoga also does not foresee a wave of Indonesians leaving their country in the next few years, because its economy is thriving and opportunities to set up businesses are growing.

Besides, Indonesians need to retain their citizenship if they want to own land or property to set up a business, he added.

Prof Hoon also noted that there are no strong "push factors" like the 1997 Asian financial crisis, when Chinese Indonesians left in droves as rioters targeted their homes and businesses.

Ties between the Chinese and the Indonesian government, as well as other Indonesian ethnic groups, have been on the mend since then, said Prof Hoon.

Indonesians who have taken up Singapore citizenship, like executive Eggy Laxmi Putri, said they did so to have a better life.

The 37-year-old native of Jakarta, who became a Singapore citizen in 2008 after marrying a Singaporean teacher, said: "I could not find a full-time job in Jakarta even though I am a university graduate."

Ms Fiana Santoso, 26, a bank operations analyst who married a Singaporean bank executive in 2011, is a native of Palembang in Sumatra who became a Singaporean last December. She said: "I plan to start a family in the future and I see Singapore as a good place to raise my children."
 
The number is not significant. One must look at the money flow - that counts.
 
The number is not significant. One must look at the money flow - that counts.

Why are we bringing in Indonesians who could not find jobs in their native countries? Not bringing in tycoons who can build businesses and create jobs instead?
 
ST_20130219_ATINDON19_3531122e.jpg

Executive Eggy Laxmi Putri, 37, with her Singaporean husband Mohd Rafi Ani, 39, a secondary school teacher, and son Al Fariz Naufal, four. She said she took up Singapore citizenship to have a better life, as she could not find a full-time job in her native Jakarta despite being a university graduate. :eek: -- ST PHOTO: TED CHEN

By Amelia Tan
MORE Indonesians have become Singapore citizens in the past two years, reversing a previous decline, according to the records of Indonesia's embassy here.

The number rose from about 630 in 2010 to about 740 in 2011 and climbed again to about 870 last year.

Still, these figures are below earlier highs. In 2009, about 960 renounced their Indonesian citizenship to become Singaporeans; about 1,180 did so in 2008.

Many who give up their Indonesian citizenship are married to Singaporeans, said an embassy spokesman.

The embassy does not keep records of their race or religion, but their names suggest they are a mix of various ethnic groups, from Chinese to Javanese and Sundanese, he added.

The drop in 2010 was probably due to Singapore tightening its immigration policies in the run-up to the 2011 General Election, said Singapore Management University's Professor Hoon Chang Yau, who researches the culture and history of the Chinese in Indonesia.

The Government had in 2009 tightened the PR and citizenship criteria to ease concerns over the influx of foreigners.

But fears that Singapore could become even more strict may have led to the subsequent increases, he added. "Some Indonesians may have felt they should take up citizenship immediately or it would be tougher to do so in the future."

Indonesian community leaders here said Singapore is a top destination for emigration as it offers good jobs, safety and good education for their children.

But Mr Yoga Dirga Cahya, president of the Indonesian Community Forum in Singapore, said thatmany do not renounce their citizenship because of strong ties with their families back home.

The forum is an umbrella body for about 10 associations for Indonesians in Singapore, and organises events for almost 200,000 Indonesians living here.

Mr Yoga also does not foresee a wave of Indonesians leaving their country in the next few years, because its economy is thriving and opportunities to set up businesses are growing.

Besides, Indonesians need to retain their citizenship if they want to own land or property to set up a business, he added.

Prof Hoon also noted that there are no strong "push factors" like the 1997 Asian financial crisis, when Chinese Indonesians left in droves as rioters targeted their homes and businesses.

Ties between the Chinese and the Indonesian government, as well as other Indonesian ethnic groups, have been on the mend since then, said Prof Hoon.

Indonesians who have taken up Singapore citizenship, like executive Eggy Laxmi Putri, said they did so to have a better life.

The 37-year-old native of Jakarta, who became a Singapore citizen in 2008 after marrying a Singaporean teacher, said: "I could not find a full-time job in Jakarta even though I am a university graduate."

Ms Fiana Santoso, 26, a bank operations analyst who married a Singaporean bank executive in 2011, is a native of Palembang in Sumatra who became a Singaporean last December. She said: "I plan to start a family in the future and I see Singapore as a good place to raise my children."
Indo and Malaysians are our traditional sources of FTs. They prob make up the bulk of all FTs here.
 
Why are we bringing in Indonesians who could not find jobs in their native countries? Not bringing in tycoons who can build businesses and create jobs instead?

Becos these indon fore fathers make it good and ensured that at least their next few gen are able to 'make it' in Sinkland or..

They need not be tycoons but at least they figured out that the environment of Sinkland is so much better than their homeland.

Unlike the many Sinkie who expects their gov to 'take care of them' and these Sinkie did not appreciate what they have while others like these Indon , did not have in their own country!
 
Great. We need more of these indos in our country cos our fertility is too low. Thanky Indonesia
 
Great. We need more of these indos in our country cos our fertility is too low. Thanky Indonesia

If you only think boosting fertility is so important.

Get more pinoy.They fuck and produce so many more then even the rabbits.

But then of course, the quality of pinoy fare so much worse than the rabbits.
but then your Master is doing that, isn't he?

How desperate can he get! LOL
 
Still better than ah tiong, shit skin & flippers lah!
You do not get problems from Indons unlike things mentioned above!
 
Great. We need more of these indos in our country cos our fertility is too low. Thanky Indonesia

You still dun understand why people are not having children. This issue is a combination of attitudes, aspirations and reality of high living costs. The same Indonesian who will fuck and have 10 children - if you transplant him/her to Singapore, he/she will start thinking. Hey here I can go for movies, parks, musicals, shopping, catch up with friends etc etc. If I have too many children, how to enjoy all these trappings of life? At the same time, damn bloody ex to have children here in Singapore.

The government should be giving medals to anyone having more than 2 kids. It is very natural for couples to stop at two cos they figure out that once a child has a sibling, that's it! Back to my social life. 3 or more? Fuck it.

Let's not get started about those who do not even want to get married.
 
You still dun understand why people are not having children. This issue is a combination of attitudes, aspirations and reality of high living costs. The same Indonesian who will fuck and have 10 children - if you transplant him/her to Singapore, he/she will start thinking. Hey here I can go for movies, parks, musicals, shopping, catch up with friends etc etc. If I have too many children, how to enjoy all these trappings of life? At the same time, damn bloody ex to have children here in Singapore.

The government should be giving medals to anyone having more than 2 kids. It is very natural for couples to stop at two cos they figure out that once a child has a sibling, that's it! Back to my social life. 3 or more? Fuck it.

Let's not get started about those who do not even want to get married.

Your own Sinkie m&ds don't seem to have those same set of issues as depicted by you.

Don't the m&ds live on the same soil, use the same currency and experenced the same hardships?
 
What about the bad mannered, loud mouthed , prcs? Its ok to have them around? Or is it simply because they seem to ''blend in'' very well with the Singaporean chinese?
 
You still dun understand why people are not having children. This issue is a combination of attitudes, aspirations and reality of high living costs. The same Indonesian who will fuck and have 10 children - if you transplant him/her to Singapore, he/she will start thinking. Hey here I can go for movies, parks, musicals, shopping, catch up with friends etc etc. If I have too many children, how to enjoy all these trappings of life? At the same time, damn bloody ex to have children here in Singapore.

The government should be giving medals to anyone having more than 2 kids. It is very natural for couples to stop at two cos they figure out that once a child has a sibling, that's it! Back to my social life. 3 or more? Fuck it.

Let's not get started about those who do not even want to get married.

The real issues are not costs but selfishness. All industrialised n wealthy nations have lower birth rates compared to poor coiuntries who have less to live on.
In reality, this problem of low birth rates will never be solved and everybody knows it. Thats why the opposition and those who oppose the PWP never dare propose a comprehensive solution to the problem.

The only solution therefore is immigrants. Immigrants do solve our problem and also benefit us economically. They cut down our expenditure on education and welfare and this can only benefit the aging population. When we sepnd less of a younger generation, we have more to spend on the old. Not only that, in times of recession, immigrants can leave and not be a liability to us.


 

The real issues are not costs but selfishness.

How is choosing not to have children considered as 'selfish'? Selfish is when you decide to have multiple children, and the country ends up using taxpayers monies to pay for your children living expenses cos you can't afford it.
 
How is choosing not to have children considered as 'selfish'? Selfish is when you decide to have multiple children, and the country ends up using taxpayers monies to pay for your children living expenses cos you can't afford it.

In fact, the very act of procreation is selfish - it perpetuates your family lineage and provides you with biological descendants whom in future you can give inheritance to.

If those breeders are as selfless as they claim to be, I urge them to adopt a kid. Better yet, have someone else knock your wife up with your consent and be a father to that child. Let's see how 'selfless' you are then. :rolleyes:
 
How is choosing not to have children considered as 'selfish'? Selfish is when you decide to have multiple children, and the country ends up using taxpayers monies to pay for your children living expenses cos you can't afford it.


Its obvious, people don't want to work harder n bear more burdens, they want to enjoy their lives. This comes when people become richer. Thats why rich countries who have more tend to have lower birth rates.
Everybody knows there is no solution to it, including those who oppose the PWP. Thats why the opposition and those who oppose the PWP never dare propose a comprehensive solution to the problem.
 
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