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Methinks the Isreali have overdone it this time!

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7801788.stm

Israel renews air strikes on Gaza

Israeli jets have launched a second day of air attacks on the Gaza Strip, amid warnings that operations will continue until Hamas ends rocket fire from Gaza.

Palestinian officials raised the number killed on Saturday to 271, while Israel said it targeted 30 sites overnight.

At the UN, the Security Council called for an end to all violence in Gaza, including rocket attacks from Gaza.

Israel says at least 110 rockets have been fired over the weekend, and warned it may send troops into Gaza.

Thousands of reserve soldiers have been called up for duty, reports say.

Air strikes were launched on Saturday against Hamas targets in the densely-populated coastal territory, less than a week after the expiry of a six-month-long ceasefire deal with the militant group.

The high numbers of casualties made Saturday the single deadliest day in the Gaza Strip since Israel's occupation of the territory in 1967, analysts said.

Most of those killed were policemen in the Hamas militant movement, which controls Gaza, but women and children also died, Gaza officials said.

About 700 others were wounded as missiles struck security compounds and militant bases, the officials added.

In Israel, one person was killed, in the town of Netivot, some 20km (12 miles) east of Gaza, while there were reports of several Qassam rocket strikes early on Sunday.

Rockets landed in Ashdod, Israel's largest southern city - some 38km (23 miles) from Gaza - the deepest they have ever struck inside Israel, Israeli media said. No injuries were reported.

Israeli Defence Minister Ehud Barak has said military operations could widen to include a ground operation if air strikes fail to change Hamas's behaviour.

Military fighter jets have already targeted 210 sites since the operation began on Saturday, Israeli security sources said.

'Protecting citizens'

Gazans are preparing to hold funerals for those killed on Saturday, while a general strike has been called for the Palestinian territories.

At the UN, the Security Council ended emergency talks with a call for an end to hostilities, speaking of "serious concern" at the escalation of the situation in Gaza.

Israel's UN ambassador, Gabriela Shalev, repeated Israel's stance that it was taking action to "protect its citizens from further terrorist attacks".

US ambassador Zalmay Khalilzad suggested Hamas held the key to restoring calm.

"We believe the way forward from here is for rocket attacks against Israel to stop, for all violence to end," he said.

He was implicitly backed up from Cairo by Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas - whose Fatah faction are bitter rivals of Hamas.

"We could have avoided what happened," Mr Abbas said, saying the Islamist group should have renewed the ceasefire before it lapsed.

As air raids continued, Palestinian medical officials said two people were killed when a mosque was struck late on Saturday night in Gaza City. A Hamas-run TV station was also targeted, reports said.

After daybreak, a BBC journalist in Gaza City said a Hamas-run security and prison compound was also struck by at least three missiles on Sunday morning.

In Saturday's main incidents:

• Israel hit targets in all Gaza's main towns, including Gaza City in the north and Khan Younis and Rafah in the south

• Hamas said all its security compounds in the strip were destroyed; the head of Gaza's police was among those killed

• Medical officials said most of those killed were Hamas policemen, but civilians were among the dead

• Staff at Gaza City's main hospital, Shifa, said it was struggling to cope with the influx of injuries.

'Time for fighting'

The raids came days after a six month truce with Hamas expired and as Israel prepared for a general election in February.

Israeli Defence Minister Ehud Barak has explained the operation in stark terms, saying "the time has come to fight".

In response the exiled leader of Hamas, Khaled Meshaal, called for a new intifada, or uprising, against Israel, while the movement's Gaza leader, Ismail Haniya, called the attack an "ugly massacre".

International reaction to the bombing has been dominated by calls for restraint.

UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon, Middle East envoy Tony Blair and the French EU presidency all called for a ceasefire.

Although a six month truce between Hamas and Israel was agreed earlier this year, it was regularly under strain and was allowed to lapse when it expired this month.

Hamas blamed Israel for the end of the ceasefire, saying it had not respected its terms, including the lifting of the blockade under which little more than humanitarian aid has been allowed into Gaza.

Israel said it initially began easing the blockade, but this was halted when Hamas failed to fulfil what Israel says were agreed conditions, including ending all rocket fire and halting weapons smuggling.

From 1967 Israel's military occupied the Gaza Strip and Jewish settlers built communities within the territory. Israel withdrew in 2005 but has maintained control of Gaza's borders.
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I suspect that Israel is trying to provoke Iran or Hezbollah in the north to enter the fray so that they can justify the attcak on Iran, something which they have been planning for a long time. As time is running out until 20 jan when Obama takes over, and he less likely to take Israeli shit, their attacks on Palestinians looks all out to provoke.
 

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via debka :

The Israeli cabinet Sunday, Dec. 28, approved call-up orders for 6,500 reservists the day after Israel's devastating assault on hundreds of Hamas military sites in Gaza, in which 282 Palestinians, 90 percent in uniform, were killed. Two thousand were recruited Saturday. Hamas activated its Iran-made improved Grad Katyusha unit, sending rockets winging as far as Moshav Bnei Ayish near Yavne to the northeast and the big port city of Ashdod to the north, both nearly 40 km from the Gaza Strip. One fell in the yard of an Ashdod home. Four landed in Ashkelon, injuring three people.

The call-up orders went to command personnel, technical teams and homeland front units. Several Israeli tanks have moved forward to the Gaza border fence and opened fire. The Israeli assault on Hamas continues to focus on aerial action.
 

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A very proud, merciless and genius species! In jubilant mood celeb their "60th anniversary"! Never stop going against God commandment since the days of O/T i.e. THOU SHALL NOT KILL!
 

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the political vacuum in white house is good reason for the israeli assault - hamas rocket is just an excuse.this will escalate into full scale war with ground troops deployment...classical plan...air strikes follow by ground troops...i don't know where will this end.but it's part of the greater scheme of things to paralyse your enemies - far and wide. it's going to be dangerous.just one miscalculation.that will plunge the world into another military show-down. as if the economic meltdown is not bad enough.

obama in the white house will not make any difference. the assault is very well timed when bush and obama are now on vacation!
 

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two days of air-strikes for some rocket attacks....more than 200 dead with massive destruction....
 

dysentry

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The IDF just wants to ensure that the southern citizens of Israel can live a normal and peaceful life. What's so hard to understand about that?

Gaza strip was given back to the Palestinians, but Hamas won't stop firing rockets till Israel perishes.

The UN and Arab League just kept quiet and turned a blind eye to Hamas actions.
 

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Its common sense if it rains run to a shelter why can't those damn dumbass know once they see Hamas shooting rockets run the hell away. Instead they insist to say around and have their ass blown off.
 

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The IDF just wants to ensure that the southern citizens of Israel can live a normal and peaceful life. What's so hard to understand about that?

Gaza strip was given back to the Palestinians, but Hamas won't stop firing rockets till Israel perishes.

The UN and Arab League just kept quiet and turned a blind eye to Hamas actions.

yup..doesn't made sense...Israel peace effort in returing the Gaza strip does not result in peace..why did the Arab communities turn a bllind eyes to Hamas striking Israel? knowing that Israel pleadge to return rocket for rocket.. to proctect its citizen? Was Hamas associated with the Al Queida?
Why cant the Plalestine government stop the Hamas but let it continue its offensive? these are questions that was asked but have no answers...
 

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I suspect that Israel is trying to provoke Iran or Hezbollah in the north to enter the fray so that they can justify the attcak on Iran, something which they have been planning for a long time. As time is running out until 20 jan when Obama takes over, and he less likely to take Israeli shit, their attacks on Palestinians looks all out to provoke.

America cannot afford another war with Iran- financially, politically, socially. These attacks only make Obama's tasks harder in terms of bridging the gap between Israel and the Palestine groups.

But in the end, while Israel might want a war, if America says no, Israel will have no war. Besides Iran will return fire. Its not like its impotent.
 

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Iran will just continue guerilla warfare through its proxy Hizbollah, the IAF is too formidable for any country to contemplate a conventional war with Israel. The use of precision guided bombs just makes IAF's job so much easier now.
 

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Iran will just continue guerilla warfare through its proxy Hizbollah, the IAF is too formidable for any country to contemplate a conventional war with Israel. The use of precision guided bombs just makes IAF's job so much easier now.

Ideas are bulletproof. You can kill a million people but as long as the idea remains alive, another million will take over. It'd never end.

That's why such insurgencies cannot be suppressed by military action alone. Yes Hamas has lost men, women and children. But they have gained even more followers by making them "idols" in which their images will be used to recruit more militants.

When Israel loses men and women to insurgencies though, they lose more, since they are not just a conventional army but because Israel as a democracy needs moral support from its people.

Besides, Hamas operate with little rules, unconventional rules. Israel, as a regular/conscripted army, operates with normal conventional rules. That's why Hamas wins with each bombing strike from Israel. Even America knows this- that's why they called upon Israel to stop. Each bombing weakens their argument, and makes the Arab world even more against the US.
 

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Ideas are bulletproof. You can kill a million people but as long as the idea remains alive, another million will take over. It'd never end.

perhaps it will end when the Arabs wake up and end their anti-semitic vitriol; far-right zionists are just a minority in Israel.
 

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perhaps it will end when the Arabs wake up and end their anti-semitic vitriol; far-right zionists are just a minority in Israel.

They won't until both sides make hard sacrifices to bridge the gap. It just means that it won't be easy to basically give them the facts that they have to give up their comfort zone for the sake of peace.

So Obama can do something, but both sides must clap and they must implement. In the 90s, Clinton got them to clap and say nice words, but in the end there was no implementation, and in the end, both sides went after each other with knives.
 

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A very proud, merciless and genius species! In jubilant mood celeb their "60th anniversary"! Never stop going against God commandment since the days of O/T i.e. THOU SHALL NOT KILL!

You are mistaken, Thou Shall Not Kill with any reasons.

But if God wants you to kill, someone got to do the dirty job.

No questions asked.
 

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Ideas are bulletproof. You can kill a million people but as long as the idea remains alive, another million will take over. It'd never end.

That's why such insurgencies cannot be suppressed by military action alone. Yes Hamas has lost men, women and children. But they have gained even more followers by making them "idols" in which their images will be used to recruit more militants.

When Israel loses men and women to insurgencies though, they lose more, since they are not just a conventional army but because Israel as a democracy needs moral support from its people.

Besides, Hamas operate with little rules, unconventional rules. Israel, as a regular/conscripted army, operates with normal conventional rules. That's why Hamas wins with each bombing strike from Israel. Even America knows this- that's why they called upon Israel to stop. Each bombing weakens their argument, and makes the Arab world even more against the US.

It is true that one CANNOT fight hate with more hate or bullets. But what is the alternative? Sit down quietly and do nothing when your enemies rain rockets down on you? And when one does retaliate, one must not kill too many people? Hitler has shown that pacifism or appeasements only whets the appetite of the aggressor. The Jews learnt this lesson very well when they did not retaliate and foolishly trusted in the goodness of men(NAZIs) and ended up with 6 million dead in concentration camps.

However, it is strange that the when HAMAS ended the truce with rocket attacks killing JEWS, the condemnation from the world was not very loud and newspapers never splash large photos of those JEWS killed and relatives crying or parading their dead in processions.
 

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Amid continuing massive air strikes and wide speculation about whether or not Israeli ground forces will cross into the Gaza Strip, DEBKAfile's military sources report small groups of Israeli special forces were already carrying out swift hit-and-run raids Sunday, Dec. 28, on Day 2 of the Israeli Gaza operation.

As Israeli bombers, gunships and drones hovered overhead, picking up every move made by Hamas fighters and their missiles, Israeli stealth squads popped up at command posts, transport routes and missile squads, hit some and then faded away behind sand dunes. This tactic sowed confusion in Hamas ranks and gave them no chance to regroup and recover from the crushing air assault to their military infrastructure. The latest Palestinian death toll is estimated at 296.

This ground operation, which is likely to intensify Sunday overnight, has two objectives:

1. To mark key targets for air bombardment;

2. To blaze the way for a large-scale armored incursion still to come.

The most important mission carried out by the Israeli Air Force Sunday was the destruction of 40 smuggling tunnels, severing Hamas' arms, fuel, ammunition and reinforcements lifeline from Iran and Syria via Egyptian Sinai. It raised the question of why this feat was not carried out during the three years since the tunnels began functioning.

Whereas Saturday, the Israeli bombers struck with missiles, Sunday, dropped CBU-24 bunker busters which detonate 30 minutes after penetration on the Philadelphi tunnels. By the time the plumes of black smoke rose over the targeted area, the Israeli planes were gone.
 
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