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Survey - visitors to my blog

Friday, December 19, 2008
Survey - visitors to my blog

72 people replied to the survey.

Occupation
Professional, manager 39%
Sales, support, admin 34%
Retired 18%
Homemaker, student 9%

Age group
Up to 30: 25%
31 to 50: 39%
Above 50: 36%

How frequently do you visit:
Daily: 56%
Several times a week: 34%
Several times a month: 5%
Occasionally 4%


Posted by Tan Kin Lian at 12:46 PM 0 comments Links to this post
Survey - Compensation on CLN
148 investors participated in the survey.

What is the minimum percentage of compensation that you will accept"

30% 7.6%
50% 47.2%
70% 45.1%

Are you prepared to take part in a class action and spend up to $5,000
Yes 59.3%
No 40.7%


Posted by Tan Kin Lian at 12:32 PM
 
Lehman broker charged

Dec 19, 2008
Lehman broker charged

NEW YORK - A LEHMAN Brothers broker who gleaned tips about pending mergers from his wife, a partner at a high-powered public relations firm, was charged on Thursday in a wide-ranging insider trading scheme that earned $4.8 million (S$6.9 million) in profits, authorities said.

Federal prosecutors in Manhattan and the Securities and Exchange Commission brought the case on Thursday against Matthew C. Devlin, who authorities said enabled clients and friends to make millions of dollars while he was rewarded with gifts including cash, a Cartier watch and a widescreen television.

The SEC said those who received tips so treasured the information Devlin took from his wife that they began referring to him and his wife as the 'golden goose'.

Devlin also referred to his wife as the 'golden goose', the SEC said.

The SEC said Devlin, 35, took secrets from March 2004 through last July about more than a dozen pending mergers and acquisitions from his wife, Nina, a partner at Brunswick Group LLC, an international public relations firm.

Attorney Jim Benjamin, who represents Nina Devlin, said her husband obtained the information without her knowledge by being close to her and monitoring her travel schedule.

In a statement, Brunswick group called the insider trading scheme a 'violation of trust between husband and wife'.

It said there was no indication Matthew Devlin accessed Brunswick's confidential systems.

'We believe she was unaware of her husband's activities and is devastated by these events,' the company said, noting that she has not been charged 'or implicated in any way'.

Brunswick is an international firm that employees more than 400 people, including more than 75 partners, as it advises major companies about financial and corporate communications and opinion research. It has 15 offices in 11 countries.

According to the company and criminal court papers, Matthew Devlin already has pleaded guilty to four counts of conspiracy to commit securities fraud and one count of securities fraud in a deal aimed at winning leniency at sentencing.

The SEC said Devlin gave the secrets to his clients and friends, including three who worked in the securities or legal professions.

At least four people face criminal charges while the SEC named seven people in its civil complaint. -- AP

http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking+News/Money/Story/STIStory_316300.html
 
ProTrader - learn trading in a simulated environment

Friday, December 19, 2008
ProTrader - learn trading in a simulated environment
Read about this simulated game here:
www.tankinlian.com/forms/protrader.pdf

You can play the game here:
www.tankinlian.com/trader

Steps:
1. create an account will your user name and password
2. login
3. click on play
4. select the game
5. enjoy (the game comprise of 10 virtual days .. wait until end of the game)

This game teaches you the skill on day trading, based on the economic news. You can practice many times to get a feel of how the news impact on the price movements of various financial products.

This is for FUN. It is not suitable for long term investors.
Posted by Tan Kin Lian at 11:00 PM
2 comments:

Wayangnologist said...

i had had a friend who was very much into such financial gaming scenarios and playalongs whatnots

in fact he ranked so high up in his games that he decided, with lots encouragement from peers and etc, to plunk in real money and actually try a hand in real markets.



that was just BEFORE the markets sour in 2008. havent heard from him since.

hmm
4:20 PM
Anonymous said...

I've never played this game before. But, I think it's market timing. Empirical studies by the academia show that market timing is a bad idea 100% of the time. Take care!
1:16 PM
 
Friday, December 19, 2008
High charges in this investment-linked plan
Hi,

I have just given up on my V investment plan which lasted for 2 years. The investment return is poor (i.e. I lost over 30% of capital and the EURO adventurous fund performed very poorly) and the surrender penalty is very heavy.

What I really dislike about this plan is the lack of transparency and inflexibility, and particularly the lack of control of your funds. There are these expensive management fees and numerous charges. It is an expensive plan (i.e. at least $1,200 per month on a premium of $2,500 per month).

It would be better if you invest in an exchanged traded or index funds for long term investment. ETFs work like a stock and can be traded with minimal management fees unlike unit trusts or managed funds. You can dollar average your payment (when the stock price is low). The advantage is that you can buy and sell the fund (depending on the market) as YOU ARE in control. Right now equities are very low particularly for some blue chips shares. Do some research, be your own fund manager.

Just cut your losses and get rid of the plan. Remember you have to pay 10 years of this plan (otherwise you may incur penalty etc)! Your returns may be very unpredictable. 10 years of bondage to a fund which may not.

VL
Posted by Tan Kin Lian at 11:35 PM
1 comments:

Anonymous said...

The V plan is like the traditional WL or endowment with a twist or a minimum lock in , failure will result in heavy penalty. The insurers know that traditional products are losing its shine or lost their usefulness and now they have repackaged like the CDOs to look different but basically at its core is the toxin hidden deep.
The consumers should be wary and nor long from now ntuc will also join the fray to hoodwink and con the ignorant consumers.Look out for the con man. It will serve you well to look for honest and competent advisers who are getting very rare these days.
Mr. Tan's FISCA will be timely to check the spread of this product that will be worst than the minibond. It is going to be a big bomb. MAS must examine the product by performing its duty as regulator before another MADOFF appears.
12:29 AM
 
Financial product has high penalty

Friday, December 19, 2008
Financial product has high penalty
Hi

I am a financial adviser represenative. Being in the industry, I do not need to look too far for malpractice, misselling, misrepresentation. There are many greedy so-called advisors. They are not interested to recommend Enhanced Incomeshield or Myshield to you because the commissions are really pathetic. It's sad to see that this industry has degenerated to the current state.

It's really sickening to see some cheaters who just sell this V plan and earn $1m a year. The V plan is basically a regular premium investment-linked policy. It's an insurance contract. Everything is contractual - you need to follow the insurer's rules and terms. If you violate them, you will be penalised heavily. For instance, if you stop paying premium in the first 18 months, you will lose all your premiums paid.

The advisers tell you that you can exercise premium holiday after 18 months, bonus allocation. If you alter the terms & conditions of the insurance contract, there's a hefty penalty for you.

Do you know how much you pay for this product? For a premium of $3,200/month for 25-year term, the FA firms or banks will straight away receive about $40,000 in commission, then the adviser would get 60 - 80% of the amount. For 10-year term, the comm is about $16,000. the longer the term, the higher the commission. you see, money comes from somewhere. If the commission to the advisor is so good, no prize for guessing who pays for it. it's YOU my friend.

At $3,200/month, the total premium for 25 years is $960,000 my friend! How many people in singapore can afford this kind of premium, and can comfortably say that they are able to 'finish' it.

I had heard of people being sold $20,000 a month. those so-called advisers are beyond help. Eventually they will pay for their evil deed. they must be jailed for their sins.

You may ask why the they could sell so high a premium to their clients? The clients are equally greedy, about the 'bonus' allocation and the 'high' returns. The 'bonus' is something that you can see but cannot touch. Many people thought that they can cash out the gains after 18 months, but they will lose everything if you surrender in the first year.

This plan has been in the market for 2 years. We shall hear more news of people surrendering, especially in the current economic condition. i predict that this V plan and other similar plan from some offshore insurers will be the CDOs for the FA industry. I am eagerly awaiting more complaints or newspaper reports about this con job.

For those who surrendered and suffered big losses, please share your story, expose those who conned you and your hard-earned money. If you continue to remain silence, the misselling will become more rampant. More unsuspected people like the elderly will be sucked into.

Please help educate people by sharing your stories. or you may write to mr tan kin lian at [email protected], or visit his blog www.tankinlian.blogspot.com, or write to reporters like Lorna Tan of the Straits Times or Genevieve Cua of the Business Times, or Mr. Shane Tregillis of MAS' market conduct deputy MD.

I thank you for your contribution in building a better society.
Posted by Tan Kin Lian at 11:47 PM
 
No claim discount on motor insurance

Saturday, December 20, 2008
No claim discount on motor insurance
Dear Mr. Tan,
Can you please advise me under what conditions can I request my motor insurance company to review their decision on my NCD. My NCD after one accident has been reduced to 20%

JW

REPLY
You can ask the General Insurance Association of Singapore or your own insurance company.

If you are not happy with the decision taken by your insurance company, you should find another insurance company.

Here are some telephone numbers you can call.
http://www.tankinlian.com/faq/motord.html
Posted by Tan Kin Lian at 5:17 AM
 
Survey by FISCA - Financial Services Consumer Association

Saturday, December 20, 2008
Survey by FISCA - Financial Services Consumer Association
A pro-tem committee has been formed to plan the launch of FISCA (Financial Services Consumer Association).

The aims of FISCA are to eduate consumers on financial matters, help them to find the suitable financial products and to assist them on seeking redress on mis-selling and other complaints.

Are you interested to join FISCA? What are the services that you like to use? How much are you willing to pay towards the cost of running FISCA? Should FISCA be independent of funding by the business and Government?

Give your views in this survey:
http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=NDbqLl_2bU_2bb6xxaIjGarfOw_3d_3d
Posted by Tan Kin Lian at 6:07 AM
 
Cost of banks

Saturday, December 20, 2008
Cost of banks
One year ago, Royal Bank of Scotland paid US$100 billion for ABN Amro.

Today, this sum could buy:
Citibank $22.5 billion (74% down)
Morgan Stanley $10.5 billion (-72%)
Goldman Sachs $21 billion (-67%)
Merril Lynch $12.3 billion (-77%)
Deutsche Bank $13 billion (-71%)
Barclays $12.7 billion (-71%)
... and leave a balance of $8 billion:
Posted by Tan Kin Lian at 7:00 AM
 
California Governor order 2 day Unpaid Leave

Saturday, December 20, 2008
California Governor order 2 day Unpaid Leave
www.bloomberg.com

By Michael B. Marois
Dec. 19 (Bloomberg) -- California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger may force all state workers to take two days of unpaid leave each month to conserve money amid a record budget deficit and a legislative impasse over how to fix it.

The furloughs would begin in February and would last through June 1010, according to labor union officials who said they were briefed by the administration earlier today.

MY VIEW
This is an excellent way to deal with a downturn. Take unpaid leave, which applies to all employees!
Posted by Tan Kin Lian at 7:14 AM
 
Letter of confidentiality

Saturday, December 20, 2008
Letter of confidentiality
Dear Mr. Tan,

The bank wishes to meet me on my complaint and asked me to sign the following letter of confidentiality. What is your view?

CONFIDENTIALITY UNDERTAKING

We refer to the meeting scheduled to take place today (“the Meeting”).
We agree that the Meeting will be held on a Without Prejudice basis.
By our signature of a copy of this letter we agree as follows:

1. We undertake:
a. not to record the proceedings or discussions during the Meeting (however we may take our own written notes during the meeting);
b. except as otherwise required by law, to keep the Confidential Information confidential and not to disclose it to anyone or use it for any purpose without our express written consent;
c. to ensure that the Confidential Information is protected from unauthorised disclosure or use.

2. We agree to inform you (to the extent permitted by law) of the full circumstances of any disclosure or upon becoming aware that Confidential Information has been disclosed.

3. The obligations in this letter shall survive the termination of any discussions or negotiations between the Bank and us.

4. We acknowledge and agree that each of the Bank and/or Related Person (defined to mean Bank’s officers, directors, employees, professional advisers or any of the Bank’s affiliates) may be granted an injunction or specific performance for any threatened or actual breach of the provisions of this letter by you.

5. No failure or delay in exercising any right, power or privilege under this letter will operate as a waiver.

6. The undertakings given by us under this letter are given to the Bank and also for the benefit of each Related Person. We shall keep the Bank and each Related Person fully and effectively indemnified on demand against each and every claim, loss, liability and cost which the Bank and/or a Related Person may suffer or incur as a result of any breach of the provisions of this Letter.

7. If the Account is held in the name of more than one person, our obligations under this letter are joint and several.

8. In this letter "Confidential Information" means without limitation, all discussions, statements, materials, information, document and records in whatever form and any material derived or copied therefrom concerning the Customer, Account, services by the Bank, transactions with the Bank, and any other matters in relation thereto disclosed or furnished to us before, during or after the Meeting, as well as the fact discussions are taking place, that the Meeting is held, that further discussions may be contemplated, and that this confidentiality letter has been entered into.

REPLY
I suggest that you ask the bank to agree that the same conditions stated in the letter of confidentiality should apply to their side as well. It reflects fairness and natural justice. If not, you should not sign this undertaking.
Posted by Tan Kin Lian at 8:38 AM
 
Re: Letter of confidentiality

8 Comments

Anonymous Anonymous said...

The writer should know the % of compenastion before signing. I heard someone's offer is only 1%.

Zhong

10:55 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Even in their death throes, the banks foreign management are still at it, i.e., still trying to dish out webs of legal thrash to protect its interest and tie up its customers. This adversarial approach is the cause of its undoing. Instead of repenting, it sinks deeper into drawing a coarse line between customer and itself, and is trying its best to go for win for itself and lose for its customers. So when hot air meets cold air, there is alot of mist, which obscures vision and leads to a thriving hotbed of disease and decay, all thanks to these greedy and selfish "management talents".

11:23 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Friends,

I have questions relating this "Letter of Confidentiality". My understanding is that "MAS advocates the complaint review be based on principles of fairness rather than taking strict legal position".

Q1. Is the Confidentiality Letter contravenes the principle set by MAS "to avoid strict legality"?

Q2. Should the bank refrain from unnec legality, as MAS stipulated that principle of fairnesss is the basis for complaint handling.

Q3. The Confidentiality Letter actually bars the aggrieved from seeking help from friends; while the FI can seek legal help. Is this fair?

Q4. The Confidentiality Letters bars the taking of official notes. Without the right to take official notes, how can the aggrieved move to step 2 (go to FiDREC), if he is not happy with step 1 (ie go to FI). Is this fair?

Q5. Can this "unfair" Confidentiality Letter be taken up by WHOEVER who is ensuring the proper handling of the complaint process.

Q6. Is it legally wrong to have the Confidentiality Letter? This is bec if mis-rep or mis-selling is involved, that means potentially contravening the Act.
For example, do you think we can sign a Confidentiality Letter with the thief who has stolen my car, so that hopefully the thief would return the car? Do you think the police will allow me to do it?

12:08 PM
Anonymous SB said...

I was not asked to sign any such written letter in my interview. I only signed on the statement prepared by the interviewer on what I said at the interview after I had vetted it and agreed. As the interview is very much a one-way account from the complainant's perspective, the bank's said document is not necessary and could be against the complainant interest and right in future. The interviewers were there just to take your statement as they are not the ones to assess and decide on your complaint and did not have any prior contact with the complainant.

1:17 PM
Anonymous Wilson said...

This letter of undertaking is ridiculous and one-sided, protecting only the bank with only disadvantage to the signor. This bank is typically kiasu and kiasi. I sense the intention of that bank fishy.

I have attended meeting with the bank whick sold me the structured notes but was not required to sign such letter. Notes of the meeting were taken on the spot in proper form classified as privileged and confidential and I signed the form only after reading the notes and clarified certain points with the bank officer.

1:40 PM
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Are you even keen to meet?

Or you dont want a cent now

if you are giving up, inform the rest, so we all get our chance

4:23 PM
Blogger Concerned said...

Since you are the one making the complaint(plaintiff), the bank should be the one signing this confidential letter and not you.

11:57 PM
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You will be crazy to sign such letter. Do note that this letter could be written in the press positively as statistic of how the FI have attended to the victim even though nothing is resolved, or even use as excuse that the matter is resolved for this interviewed investor since you cannot disclose such info and talk about it, you are explicitly giving them the permission to do whatever they want to you.
So don't be foolish to sign such letter, else you will regret.

1:46 AM
 
Re: Letter of confidentiality

Saturday, December 20, 2008
Mis-selling of ILPs in the UK
From TKL: I have not been able to accuracy of this information yet.

Dear Mr. Tan

According to one writer, these type of products (ILPs) were designed and sold in the UK in the 1980's & 1990's. A super regulator was brought in called the FSA to clean up an industry that to date has paid compensation to investors in the UK who have lost money in the region of GBP 15,000,000,000 (billion) using these exact same products. That is why they are now 'offshore' so insurance companies can continue to sell these very profitable products in poorly regulated markets in Asia.

Now that they cannot sell in UK or US, they come to Asia and other developing markets like UAE to sell. A foreign insurer sells this plan in Singapore as an offshore product, and MAS is clearing not supervising these offshore insurers. They will bring great harm to our people.

Thanks for your help.

GT
Posted by Tan Kin Lian at 1:40 PM
3 comments:

Anonymous said...

The post is not accurate. In fact, a significant amount of investment products sold in UK and Europe are ILPs.

- From an insider.
2:23 PM
Anonymous said...

These products are the universal life and variable universal life variants of whole life. Rip off has taken new forms and local insurance companies are pushing them as kind of revolutionary products.A company will be lauching soon. There will be more miss-selling and misrepresentation because commission is big and customers will be ripped off big too. The insurance agents will be bolder to tell lies and adopt poker face when telling them.
Consumers, you will play an important role to see these products are nipped in the bud before allowed to rear their ugly heads.
2:56 PM
Anonymous said...

Dont know about ILP's but this is a very accurate story for Land Banking. They bring these products to Asia after being shut out of the UK and sell them to relatively unsophisticated investors.
8:45 PM
 
Re: Letter of confidentiality

Saturday, December 20, 2008
Surveys
Please take part in these surveys:

1. FISCA - Funancial Services Consumer Assocation
2. Compensation for Credit Linked Notes
3. Regular visitors to Tan Kin Lian's Blog
4. Collect 100,000 signatures
Posted by Tan Kin Lian at 2:18 PM
 
Re: Letter of confidentiality

2 Comments

Blogger VS Lingam said...

There seems to be something wrong with the surveys by SurveyMonkey. After I fill in the survey form and submit, I get a confirmation msg:-

"Thanks for Taking the Survey. Looking to Create Your Own?"

This is normal.

When another survey respondent uses my PC to submit his response to the same survey, he is unable to get to the survey form. Instead he gets the confirmation msg:-

"Thanks for Taking the Survey. Looking to Create Your Own?"

Looks like SurveyMonkey only allows one response for a survey from each PC. Can the survey creator pls look into this problem? Tks.

8:06 PM
Blogger Tan Kin Lian said...

Hi VS Lingam

Survey Moneky sets a limit of one survey per PC. They want to avoid the same person (PC) submitting many responses. This is their limitation. We have to respect it.

4:08 AM
 
Re: Letter of confidentiality

Sunday, December 21, 2008
FISCA Survey Results (1)
Here is a preliminary summary of the first 20 responses to the FISCA Survey.

1. FISCA should get most of its fundings from members to remain independent and act in the interest of members: Agree 65%, Disagree 20% Neutral 15%

2. FISCA should avoid advertisements and sponsorships from financial institutions: Agree 75%, Disagree 15%, Neutral 10%

3. Should FISCA get funding from Government? Yes 20%, Special projects only 35%, Avoid 25%, No opinion 20%

4. Should FISCA encourage members to spend time and be educated about financial matters? Yes 90%, No 10%

5. How much should the annual subscription be? $36 56%, $48 22%, $60 or $120 22%
Posted by Tan Kin Lian at 4:28 AM
 
Unilateral changes to DBS Schroder LiveSure 2025 fund

Sunday, December 21, 2008
Unilateral changes to DBS Schroder LiveSure 2025 fund
Dear Mr. Tan,

I have recently received a notice from DBS on behalf of Schroder Investment Management (Singapore) Ltd that they plan to alter the product characteristics of the DBS Schroder LiveSure 2025 fund to the disadvantage of the consumers. The changes contravene the purpose and the way the fund was marketed to us, as ordinary small investors.

We are given 3 choices moving ahead and I feel none of them are reasonable to any sane human. I want to share this news and urge those who are facing similar situation not concede to any of their 3 proposed options, which might not be in your interest.

If you feel this is of worthy mention, please help post this on your blog.

Colin Ho

Background
This fund is marketed in their brochures as “a unique retirement solution that aims to achieve superior long term risk-adjusted returns through an actively-managed multi-asset portfolio of mutual funds.”.

The brochure clearly states these key benefits:
1. Principal protection upon maturity
2. Exposure to a well-balanced portfolio managed by Schroders Multi-Asset Team
3. Profit lock-in mechanism.
This is designed to raise your level of principal protection at maturity. Any gains achieved by the Fund will be locked in each week, ensuring that the fund’s highest NAV will be locked in as target min NAV level for your investment upon maturity in year 2025.
4. Automatic re-balancing mechanism.
The portfolio will automatically become more conservative with lower expected volatility and risk as the target date draws near.

What we understood
From the way DBS and Schroder has marketed it, was that the fund is for retirement purpose with maturity in 2025. The NAV will swing along the way but over the next 20+ years, it’s likely the NAV will go beyond 1.00 and this higher NAV will be locked in and if we hold the fund till maturity in 2025, we’ll enjoy this “locked-in” NAV.

What has happened
Just 8 months after I subscribed to the fund, Schroder, through DBS, sent us a letter saying the fund was monetised stating that: “The last 6 months have seen dramatic falls in asset values caused primarily by the credit crunch. In addition, we have witnessed a fall in long term SGD interest rates from 4.50% to the 2.6% we see today.”....”we reached the point where the assets of the Fund were sufficient only to purchase instruments (safe portfolio) that would be expected to deliver the target protection level on the Maturity Date. We therefore invested the Funds assets into such instruments on Monday 24th November 2008”.

We are now given 3 choices:
1. Stay invested in the Fund. Unit trust investors can choose to stay invested in the Fund which is primarily invested in SGD government bonds. At maturity, investors are expected to receive the NAV of $1.0004, subject to the risks abovementioned in section 7.
2. Switch into another Schroder fund distributed by DBS. Investors can choose to switch their existing units into any other Schroder fund distributed by DBS, The switching fee will be waived. 3. Redeem their units at the prevailing NAV. Please note that the Manage will continue to publish weekly NAVs for the Fund, which may be different from the current NAV of S$0.6932 (as at 19 November 2008).

Investor is subject to option #1 as the default option if they do not decide.

What’s Wrong?
In my opinion, they’re now trying to unilaterally alter the product behaviour and go against what they have sold to consumers. Being a retirement fund with maturity date in 2025, how can they, within just 8 months of launch, say the profit lock-in mechanism can no longer support a NAV beyond $1.0004. As a long term investor, I understand the volatility of the markets and am willing to ride the downs and look forward to the ups in the next 26 years. But these people are telling me sorry, at best they can pay me a NAV of $1.0004 (with no guarantee) in year 2025! Essentially, they are trying to modify key benefits #3 and #4 listed above to their advantage.

With these changes, the product is substantially different from how it was marketed to me.

The options to consumers are equally ridiculous. The 1st option is asking the investor to remain status quo till maturity in 26 years time. And for that, the investor will be rewarded with NAV $0.0004 return but with all their caveats that tells you it’s not guaranteed. The 2nd option is asking the investor to sell it at current NAV (i.e. make loss of close to 50%) and buy another Schroder fund. The 3rd option is the worst: asking investor to sell it at current NAV, make a loss, and we part ways.

I feel DBS and Schroder could have put in greater efforts to protect consumers’ interest. And unlike the case of the mini bonds, the DBS Schroder LiveSure 2025 fund doesn’t involve default. But yet, they are asking consumers to accept unreasonable draconian actions which would mostly inflict financial losses.

I am seeking refund, from the bank, the full amount I’ve invested. I urge other investors to exercise your rights and not opt in to any of their 3 proposed options.

Colin Ho

Survey:
http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=7adJB4Ub4k7OqUE8YLkzkg_3d_3d

Posted by Tan Kin Lian at 5:47 AM
4 comments:

Anonymous said...

Isn't this how NTUC Income operates too? First get honest to goodness Tan Kin Lian to helm it. Then when enough policyholders over 30 years believe in this man and put all their savings and hopes in the policies of NTUC Income with their reputation for being conservative and for the welfare of policyholders.
Then suddenly retire Tan KL and put in a Malaysian who soon got his foreign friends in. Fired alot of local Singaporeans, at least one of them eventually died and was reported in a blog, see link:
http://akhiat.blogspot.com/2008/12/another-close-comrade-passed-away.html
Then began the party as meetings are held in posh hotels, expensive chairs costing S$40,000 were purchased and renovations started to make it all nice and comfortable. Then came the cut in annual bonus and the rest is history. Tried contacting the CEO but sorry, he is too important and busy to talk with you.
What are the options?
1. Remain with them and see your returns dwindle.
2. Switch to another policy and lose all accumulated bonuses and pay for all the high charges all over again. Hey, at least Colin get a waiver of fees.
3. Surrender your policies and immediately realised any loss.

Isn't this the same style? Now, I wonder who copied from who? But one thing I am sure, those who approved this idea are foreigners.
10:34 AM
Wayangnologist said...

"I feel [Banks] could have put in greater efforts to protect consumers’ interest."



I actually laugh when i came to this!


So much effort was spent doping people with their cash pile in on false hope, what makes one think they would spend equal or more effort PROTECTING THEM hahaha!?
11:44 AM
Wayangnologist said...

"I am seeking refund, from the bank, the full amount I’ve invested."



This might not get posted, but it does set anyone wondering if theres is a wind of 'REFUNDS' these days
11:46 AM
Anonymous said...

DBS is a screwed up bank.

Don't waste time with them !

Chao
 
An adviser's view about the V plan

Sunday, December 21, 2008
An adviser's view about the V plan
Dear Mr. Tan,

Our company allows commission to be paid annualised upfront. For instance, if the client pays a cheque for the first month's premium of $3,200, our company will receive around $40,000 in commission. It's then split between company and advisor. That's why many advisors are selling this plan.

They sell it as investment. But the clients never realise that they for a contract of say 25 years, they are not able to surrender it in 3, 5 or 7 years. They will be penalised heavily.

But I believe the biggest con job of this is that they prey on the greed of people. The reason why advisors can sell big premiums and long tenure is because of the so-called 'bonus' allocation. The longer the term, the higher the 'bonus'. Last time the 'bonus' was 62.5%, now they even up it to 87.5%.

The clients got carried away by their greed. No doubt the 'bonus' is 87.5%, but it's only nominal. The clients thought they could immediately cash out 87.5% of gain from their first year of investment. But they forgot that this is an insurance contract, and they need to 'finish' the whole term to avoid heavy penalty. But sadly, once they got into this plan, they are already in for a huge loss and a bleak future.

Many people who bought this won't be able to 'finish' the plan, The insurer understands this. This is a win-win for the insurer and the advisors, but a BIG lose-lose for the clients and their families.

As this plan is only being distributed in Singapore for 3 years or so, I can expect more news of people surrendering, especially in this tough economic environment.

The insurer even allows premium to be paid using credit card. I heard of quite a number of people surrendering, but chose to keep quite.

Posted by Tan Kin Lian at 5:56 AM
1 comments:

Anonymous said...

greed of people
11:30 AM
 
Survey: DBS Schroder LiveSure 2025 fund

Sunday, December 21, 2008
Survey: DBS Schroder LiveSure 2025 fund
If you wish to join Colin Ho in opposing the change to the fund and to reject the three options, take part in this survey:

http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=7adJB4Ub4k7OqUE8YLkzkg_3d_3d
Posted by Tan Kin Lian at 6:20 AM
1 comments:

Anonymous said...

Is it right to go around rejecting products?
11:28 AM
 
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