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Medisave Minimum Sum versus Medisave Required Amount

UltimaOnline

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It's pretty dumb to create two separate terms and conditions, the MMS and the MRA, when both are essentially saying the same thing, "you *must* have more than this amount in your Medisave".


Quote below from CPF website :

Medisave Minimum Sum

The Medisave Minimum Sum is the amount you need to retain in your Medisave Account, before any excess Medisave savings can be withdrawn, whenever you make a withdrawal of your CPF monies at age 55 and above. The Medisave Minimum Sum ensures you set aside enough savings to meet your future healthcare expenses, especially during old age. The Medisave Minimum Sum is $40,500 since 1 July 2013.

Medisave Required Amount

The Medisave Required Amount (MRA) refers to the amount you need to set aside in your Medisave Account after meeting the CPF Minimum Sum requirement. If you have met the CPF Minimum Sum and have a MRA shortfall at the point of withdrawal, you need to make a top-up to your Medisave Account with part of the balance from your Special Account and Ordinary Account to meet the current MRA.

Since 1 January 2013, the MRA is $38,500.



Article below (written several years ago; note that the MMS and the MRA have both increased significantly since then) taken from : http://mysingaporenews.blogspot.sg/2011/08/medisave-double-speak.html

The above is quoted from the CPF online site. How many of you understand what they mean? One point to note is ‘minimum’ which means that they can make you pay more than this, or take more money from you to be locked up. My Medisave saving is now more than the $36,000 minimum and growing. And this taking money from the people to be locked away, hopefully you have a beneficiary to pick them up when you are deleted, the money will go to the govt’s charity.

Read MRA above carefully. It said it is the amount to be set aside after meeting the Medisave Minimum Sum of $36k at this point in time, and this MRA to be set aside is $27.500. They could technically make a CPF depositor set aside $36k + $27,500 or $63,500, and growing every year.

How much money is kept away from the people by this scheme? At 36k per head, at 2m contributors, that is $72b! This is money that rightfully belongs to the people and must be returned to the people. Under the present scheme, even after 62 or 65, or 70, depending on how far the goal posts are shifted before you can get your monthly pittance from the CPF Dispensary, this money in the Medisave still cannot be touched. This is definitely a violation of human rights, when the people’s money is taken away from them, oh, ‘for the people’s good’, so they said.

Just for this reason alone, it is good enough to vote for another govt to make this withholding of the people’s life savings illegal. At the moment it is legal because the people voted them to Parliament to make this legal. How silly can the people be to vote a govt to take their life savings away from them when they need it?

There are many other things that are legal today that should be made illegal by a govt of the people and for the people. I am waiting and will definitely vote for another govt that will make these illegal and return the money to the people.

Why vote for a President to protect a reserve that we do not know? The people should be voting for a President or govt to protect their life savings in their CPF, to be returned to them when they need it, to be returned to them when they are alive, and not when they are dead.

What is the point of going for a heart by pass at 70 or 80 because one has some money in the Medisave, to be kept alive and penniless in old age? Would it be better to spend the money, enjoy a bit of life, and just let old age and the wear and tear of the body take one’s life away, and live more comfortably, even be an emperor for a few days with one’s own hard earn money?
 

Narong Wongwan

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No need to nitpick....everyone except the 60.1% knows the vile white scums excuses to keep our cpf monies.
Vote them out....then we sort out the mess pap created.
 

whoami

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Juz wondering....do the msians have to set aside their hard earned money in the EPF account before they can withdraw at age 55?
 

Narong Wongwan

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Juz wondering....do the msians have to set aside their hard earned money in the EPF account before they can withdraw at age 55?

Malaysians withdraw lump sum when they retire. No gimmicks.
Not like our Cheat People Fund.
Also their EPF pays higher interests unlike ours.
 

whoami

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Malaysians withdraw lump sum when they retire. No gimmicks.
Not like our Cheat People Fund.
Also their EPF pays higher interests unlike ours.

Precisely! Msians get good interest return fm their EPF upon reaching age 55.

Abt medical....the Msian govt even provide their citizens cheap medical beneifts. Only M$1....and u get ur medication for common illness such as flu or cough. U try tat in sinkieland polyclinic? U kena pay consultation fee lah. Medication fee lah!

Putting aside min $40,500 at current limit will never be enough. It will be revised again and again. Up and up again. Its our hard hard earned money sia!
 

KuanTi01

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This is infuriating to say the least !:mad:

Give us back all OUR hard-earned CPF money at age 55 NOW !:oIo:

I think so too! CPF monies are basically ours but the scheming government imposes and continues to impose so many rules and restrictions until basically it becomes theirs. Scheming towards a 3rd world parliament!:rolleyes:
 

greedy and cunning

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I think so too! CPF monies are basically ours but the scheming government imposes and continues to impose so many rules and restrictions until basically it becomes theirs. Scheming towards a 3rd world parliament!:rolleyes:

i wonder whether pretender leongsam is surprised by this.
 

halsey02

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I think so too! CPF monies are basically ours but the scheming government imposes and continues to impose so many rules and restrictions until basically it becomes theirs. Scheming towards a 3rd world parliament!:rolleyes:

We sweep them out to get our money back??
 

oli9

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CPF consist of EMPLOYER & EMPLOYEES contribution.
They should at least give us back the EMPLOYEES portion once we hit 55.
 

escher

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No need to nitpick....everyone except the 60.1% knows the vile white scums excuses to keep our cpf monies.
Vote them out....then we sort out the mess pap created.

Everyone of those PAP maggots cockroaches out out out out in 2016
Then we find out how much they , their kangaroos and civil serpents stole from all of us and we clean up the mess
and bring them to real justice, not their fucking brand of justice
 

halsey02

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CPF consist of EMPLOYER & EMPLOYEES contribution.
They should at least give us back the EMPLOYEES portion once we hit 55.

What do you mean the employees portion only? we work for both portions, with our BLOOD, SWEAT & TEARS! for that money. They must return both portions.
 

Narong Wongwan

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What do you mean the employees portion only? we work for both portions, with our BLOOD, SWEAT & TEARS! for that money. They must return both portions.

Yes. You employer already factored in your portion of cpf into your total pay. So it's your money.
 
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chootchiew

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The Medisave Minimum Sum is $40,500 since 1 July 2013.

Medisave Required Amount

The Medisave Required Amount (MRA) refers to the amount you need to set aside in your Medisave Account after meeting the CPF Minimum Sum requirement. If you have met the CPF Minimum Sum and have a MRA shortfall at the point of withdrawal, you need to make a top-up to your Medisave Account with part of the balance from your Special Account and Ordinary Account to meet the current MRA.

Since 1 January 2013, the MRA is $38,500.[/B]

My current medisave has exceeded $40,500, I am far below 55, but every mth it is still deducting some $ to MA. IS it due to this MRA ? :confused:
 
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halsey02

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The Medisave Minimum Sum is $40,500 since 1 July 2013.

Medisave Required Amount

The Medisave Required Amount (MRA) refers to the amount you need to set aside in your Medisave Account after meeting the CPF Minimum Sum requirement. If you have met the CPF Minimum Sum and have a MRA shortfall at the point of withdrawal, you need to make a top-up to your Medisave Account with part of the balance from your Special Account and Ordinary Account to meet the current MRA.

Since 1 January 2013, the MRA is $38,500.[/B]
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My current medisave has exceeded $40,500, I am far below 55, but every mth it is still deducting some $ to MA. IS it due to this MRA ? :confused:

If I am not wrong, I did read somewhere that, MEDISAVE MIIN sum is $40,500 & you have not touch a cent & you have reached the MAX, the surplus is to be transferred to your Special or was it Ordinary Account but they NEVER DO SO. I have passed so many MAX amount, even the current moment Medisave has already surpassed the MIN SUM, yet..they keep contributing to the Medisave.

It seems that, there no limit to their asking for money...there is no one or anybody who have the voice..to say " THIS IS ENOUGH"...KEEPS INCREASING, KEEP CHANGING..yet the rate of return has fallen drastically factoring inflation.
 

garlic

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According to an old legend, there was one time the CPF contribution from employers was 20%...
 

chootchiew

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If I am not wrong, I did read somewhere that, MEDISAVE MIIN sum is $40,500 & you have not touch a cent & you have reached the MAX, the surplus is to be transferred to your Special or was it Ordinary Account but they NEVER DO SO. I have passed so many MAX amount, even the current moment Medisave has already surpassed the MIN SUM, yet..they keep contributing to the Medisave.

It seems that, there no limit to their asking for money...there is no one or anybody who have the voice..to say " THIS IS ENOUGH"...KEEPS INCREASING, KEEP CHANGING..yet the rate of return has fallen drastically factoring inflation.

Hmm, then I think maybe is the MRA cho guai...after reach 40.5k we will need to continue to contribute another 38k ..die man !
 

Gigo88

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chootchiew said:
My current medisave has exceeded $40,500, I am far below 55, but every mth it is still deducting some $ to MA. IS it due to this MRA ? :confused:

The maximum balance in Medisave acct is set at Medisave Minimum Sum ($40,500) + $5,000. Any excess contribution above that amount is transferred out to SA or RA accts.

MRA is the amount that you need to top up to your Medisave acct ($38,500) when you turn 55 and have met the Minimum Sum (OA & SA accts). In the long run, I think the MRA = MMS.

In short, when you turn 55 and balance in Medsave acct > MRA, then MRA does not come into play.
 

chootchiew

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The maximum balance in Medisave acct is set at Medisave Minimum Sum ($40,500) + $5,000. Any excess contribution above that amount is transferred out to SA or RA accts.

MRA is the amount that you need to top up to your Medisave acct ($38,500) when you turn 55 and have met the Minimum Sum (OA & SA accts). In the long run, I think the MRA = MMS.

In short, when you turn 55 and balance in Medsave acct > MRA, then MRA does not come into play.

Thanks for your explanation.

Wah piang suddenly got another $40.5k + 5k , might as well state as $45.5k ???
 

kopiuncle

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medisave is for your own good when you retire or grow old
you will only see the importance when you fall sick and get yourself admitted to hospital
it's your money
nobody is going to rob you or cheat you or deceive you
your money is there - safe with CPFB
so don't worry and sleep well and sleep soundly and healthily.....cheers!
 
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