MALAYSIAN Airlines flight en route to China is missing.

[NoOnEsAwMe]

just as the news of the latest discovery of debris came, najib announces before anything is really found.

did najib/malaysia know something all this while, but chose to keep mum - hoping that the wreckage will never be discovered?
and now it is about to be really discovered, he chose to declare this first?

conspiracy / cover-up at work?

 

[eatshitndie]

Just curious. Any difference in compensation if it was sabotage, suicide, hijack or human error?

airline stands to compensate most in those circumstances except perhaps for hijack which may point some blame at airport security. boeing will probably be blowing sigh of relief if investigation finds no aircraft issues, but that will take years. our resident expert sadaishimo can enlighten.

 

[eatshitndie]

malaysia now giving news conference.

 

[GoldenDragon]

airline stands to compensate most in those circumstances except perhaps for hijack which may point some blame at airport security. boeing will probably be blowing sigh of relief if investigation finds no aircraft issues, but that will take years. our resident expert sadaishimo can enlighten.

Thank you. Maybe COI akan datang to determine causal factor?

 

[eatshitndie]

Thank you. Maybe COI akan datang to determine causal factor?

there will be a lot of blame going around, but a long thorough coi, investigation and forensics will uncover the truth, or perhaps not in such a difficult and unique case. :o

 

[YouMakeMyDreams]

Flight MH370: How Inmarsat homed in on missing Malaysia Airlines' plane

UK satellite firm and AAIB cited for 'groundbreaking maths' to narrow the flight corridor of missing passenger jet and help solve riddle

Search for wreckage of MH370 resumes – live updates

Charles Arthur, technology editor
The Guardian, Monday 24 March 2014 19.18 GMT

Search area for Malaysian Airlines flight MH370 update on 23 March 2014.

Analysis by the British satellite company Inmarsat and the UK's Air Accidents Investigation Branch (AAIB) was cited on Monday by the Malaysian prime minister as the source of information that has narrowed the location where the Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 may have crashed into the southern Indian Ocean to a corridor a couple of hundred miles wide.

The analysis follows fresh examination of eight satellite "pings" sent by the aircraft between 1.11am and 8.11am Malaysian time on Saturday 8 March, when it vanished from radar screens.

The prime minister, Najib Razak, said: "Based on their new analysis, Inmarsat and the AAIB have concluded that MH370 flew along the southern corridor, and that its last position was in the middle of the Indian Ocean, west of Perth.

"This is a remote location, far from any possible landing sites. It is therefore with deep sadness and regret that I must inform you that, according to this new data, flight MH370 ended in the southern Indian Ocean."

He added that they had used a "type of analysis never before used in an investigation of this sort".

The new method "gives the approximate direction of travel, plus or minus about 100 miles, to a track line", Chris McLaughlin, senior vice-president for external affairs at Inmarsat, told Sky News. "Unfortunately this is a 1990s satellite over the Indian Ocean that is not GPS-equipped. All we believe we can do is to say that we believe it is in this general location, but we cannot give you the final few feet and inches where it landed. It's not that sort of system."

McLaughlin told CNN that there was no further analysis possible of the data. "Sadly this is the limit. There's no global decision even after the Air France loss [in June 2009, where it took two years to recover the plane from the sea] to make direction and distance reporting compulsory. Ships have to log in every six hours; with aircraft travelling at 500 knots they would have to log in every 15 minutes. That could be done tomorrow but the mandate is not there globally."

Since the plane disappeared more than two weeks ago, many of the daily searches across vast tracts of the Indian Ocean for the aircraft have relied on Inmarsat information collated halfway across the world from a company that sits on London's "Silicon Roundabout", by Old Street tube station.

Using the data from just eight satellite "pings" after the plane's other onboard Acars automatic tracking system went off at 1.07am, the team at Inmarsat was initially able to calculate that it had either headed north towards the Asian land mass or south, towards the emptiest stretches of the India Ocean.

Inmarsat said that yesterday it had done new calculations on the limited data that it had received from the plane in order to come to its conclusion. McLaughlin told CNN that it was a "groundbreaking but traditional" piece of mathematics which was then checked by others in the space industry.

The company's system of satellites provide voice contact with air traffic control when planes are out of range of radar, which only covers about 10% of the Earth's surface, and beyond the reach of standard radio over oceans. It also offers automatic reporting of positions via plane transponders. It is possible to send route instructions directly to the cockpit over a form of text message relayed through the satellite.

Inmarsat was set up in 1979 by the International Maritime Organisation to help ships stay in touch with shore or call for emergency no matter where they were, has provided key satellite data about the last movements of MH370.

Even as the plane went off Malaysian air traffic control's radar on 8 March, Inmarsat's satellites were "pinging" it.

A team at the company began working on the directions the plane could have gone in, based on the responses. One pointed north; the other, south. But it took three days for the data to be officially passed on to the Malaysian authorities; apparently to prevent any more such delays, Inmarsat was officially made "technical adviser" to the AAIB in its investigation into MH370's disappearance.

Inmarsat's control room in London, like some of its other 60 locations worldwide, looks like a miniature version of Nasa: a huge screen displays the positions of its 11 geostationary satellites, and dozens of monitors control and correct their positions. A press on a key can cause the puff of a rocket on a communications satellite 22,236 miles away, nudging its orbit by a few inches this way or that.

More prosaically, Inmarsat's systems enable passengers to make calls from their seats and also to use Wi-Fi and connect to the internet while flying.

If the plane has its own "picocell" essentially a tiny mobile phone tower set up inside the plane then that can be linked to the satellite communications system and enable passengers to use their own mobile phones to make calls, which are routed through the satellite and back to earth.

After its creation, Inmarsat's maritime role rapidly expanded to providing connectivity for airlines, the media, oil and gas companies, mining and construction in remote areas, and governments.

Privatised at the end of the 1990s, it was floated on the stock market in 2004, and now focuses on providing services to four main areas: maritime, enterprise (focused on businesses including aviation), civil and military work for the US government, and civil and military work for other governments. The US is the largest government client, generating up to a fifth of its revenues of about £1bn annually. The firm employs about 1,600 staff.

 

[YouMakeMyDreams]

MH370 will never be found, just like my retarded brain.

So u are smarter than the Bomoh? Now they are going to search and claim the debris.

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[YouMakeMyDreams]

http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/search-for-missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-suspended-after-confirmation-it-went-down-in-indian-ocean/story-fnizu68q-1226863821771

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[sadshishamo]

I reckon insurance will have to pay no matter what caused of the event. I think Allianz is involved. There may be other separate suits if the accident involved the manufacturer, or maintenance and even the way the dangerous goods were loaded and if the maximum quantity was exceeded if indeed any of these caused the event, and these few probables are not exhaustive.

airline stands to compensate most in those circumstances except perhaps for hijack which may point some blame at airport security. boeing will probably be blowing sigh of relief if investigation finds no aircraft issues, but that will take years. our resident expert sadaishimo can enlighten.

 

[GoldenDragon]

I reckon insurance will have to pay no matter what caused of the event. I think Allianz is involved. There may be other separate suits if the accident involved the manufacturer, or maintenance and even the way the dangerous goods were loaded and if the maximum quantity was exceeded if indeed any of these caused the event, and these few probables are not exhaustive.

Thank you.

 

[eatshitndie]

I reckon insurance will have to pay no matter what caused of the event. I think Allianz is involved. There may be other separate suits if the accident involved the manufacturer, or maintenance and even the way the dangerous goods were loaded and if the maximum quantity was exceeded if indeed any of these caused the event, and these few probables are not exhaustive.

yup, an insurance expert estimated the total comprehensive coverage per 777 is over usd1b including cost of hardware, and the average payout may be around usd600m for all victims' families.

 

[sadshishamo]

You are welcome GD.

Thank you.

 

[YouMakeMyDreams]

US deploys ‘black box’ locator in Malaysian jet search

PUBLISHED : Tuesday, 25 March, 2014, 9:15am
UPDATED : Tuesday, 25 March, 2014, 10:06am

Agence France-Presse in Washington

Crew members on board a P-8A Poseidon assigned to Patrol Squadron (VP) 16 man their workstations while assisting in search and rescue operations for Malaysia Airlines flight MH370. Photo: AFP

The US military on Monday sent a black box locator and a robotic underwater vehicle to the Indian Ocean to help search for the missing Malaysian jet, after a series of debris sightings.

The locator system, which relies on acoustic signals to track down flight recorders, and the Bluefin-21, an unmanned device that can scan the ocean’s depths, were being flown to Perth, Australia as a “prudent” step, officials said.

The head of Pacific Command, Admiral Samuel Locklear, “made a very prudent and wise decision to move the equipment that could be useful should a debris field be found or should we think we can get close to where the black box may be,” Pentagon spokesman Rear Admiral John Kirby told reporters.

The Malaysia Airlines jet went missing on March 8 with 239 people aboard and officials cautioned that the deployment of the equipment did not mean authorities had found the precise location of the Boeing 777.

Pentagon Press Secretary John Kirby speaks during a briefing at the Pentagon in Washington D.C., the United States. Photo: Xinhua

“I think it’s really important for everybody to understand that it’s being sent there to be ready should there be a need, and right now there’s no need. We do not have a debris field,” Kirby said.

If debris from the flight is confirmed, the US Navy’s “Towed Pinger Locator 25 will add a significant advantage in locating the missing Malaysian aircraft’s black box,” Commander William Marks, a spokesman for the US Seventh Fleet, said in an earlier statement.

The locator system relies on acoustic signals to help find flight recorders -- also known as black boxes -- on downed navy and commercial aircraft to a maximum depth of 20,000 feet (6,000 meters), he added.

The robotic Bluefin 21 can produce high resolution imagery of the ocean floor at a depth of up to 14,700 feet (4,500 meters) and operate for up to 25 hours, according to the Pentagon. Resembling a torpedo, the vehicle is 17 feet (five meters) long and can travel at a speed of up to 4.5 knots.

A P-8A Poseidon before its flight to assist in search and rescue operations for Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. Photo: EPA

The Bluefin will be launched from an Australian commercial ship, Kirby said.

On Monday, a Chinese military plane set off from the western Australian city of Perth at first light to search for “suspicious debris” floating in the remote waters and captured by Chinese and Australian satellite imagery, China’s state news agency Xinhua said.

The sighting of a wooden pallet and other debris that may be linked to the Malaysian passenger jet gave the sense Sunday that the hunt was finally on the right track after more than two weeks of false leads and dead ends.

It was reinforced by new French satellite data indicating floating objects in the southern search area.

Australian officials said the pallet, along with belts or straps, was spotted Saturday in a remote stretch of the Indian Ocean that has become the focus of the search -- around 2,500 kilometers (1,500 miles) southwest of Perth.

 

[sadshishamo]

Yes it is really big money but the insurers will definitely be reinsured.

As an aside, some airlines these days try to find ways to cut cost on safety and security because of high fuel prices and low yields affecting their profitability. This is really stupid because if they think safety and security is expensive, then hopefully they now see that an event ( accident ) like this is much more expensive.

In no way am I referring to MAS though.

yup, an insurance expert estimated the total comprehensive coverage per 777 is over usd1b including cost of hardware, and the average payout may be around usd600m for all victims' families.

 

[YouMakeMyDreams]

'Liars, tell us the truth!' Hundreds march on Malaysian embassy in Beijing in massive protest over MH370 disaster

Grief turns to anger at Malaysian authorities after news of plane's fate

PUBLISHED : Tuesday, 25 March, 2014, 1:46am
UPDATED : Tuesday, 25 March, 2014, 1:00pm

Mandy Zuo, Simon Song, Zhang Hong and Adrian Wan in Beijing, Angela Meng and Danny Lee in Kuala Lumpur

Family members of MH370 passengers hold up placards in a protest outside the Malaysian embassy in Beijing on March 25. Photo: SCMP/Simon Song

Hundreds of angry protesters, many of them family members of Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 passengers, marched on the Malaysian embassy in Beijing against what call cover-up and mishandling of the disaster by Malaysian authorities on Tuesday.

Beijing authorities had to call in reinforcement of paramilitary soldiers and plainclothes security agents to guard the Malaysian embassy as protesters, some arriving by bus and others on foot, breached police lines set up several streets away.

Family members of MH370 passengers hold up placards in a protest outside the Malaysian embassy in Beijing on March 25. Photo: SCMP/Simon Song

Earlier on Tuesday morning, several hundred family members of the doomed flight's passengers had stormed out of the hotel they were staying at and travelled to the Malaysian embassy in downtown Beijing by bus. Some family members told reporters later that they had hired the buses themselves.

Grief-stricken and angry over what they call two weeks of "lies and misleading information" after flight MH370 disappeared en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing on March 8, the family members held up placards reading "Malaysia Airlines, you owe us an explanation", "we want the truth" and "Mom, please come home" as they got off buses and marched towards the embassy.

Many wore white T-shirts with the Chinese characters "bless MH370" printed on the front.

Heavy police presence outside the Malaysian embassy in Beijing on March 25, 2014. Photo: SCMP/Simon Song

Shouting slogans and waving their placards, several dozen protesters were able to break through lines of uniformed police officers and marched all the way to the gate of the embassy compound, where about 100 paramilitary Armed Police soldiers with shields but no riot gear, and plainclothes agents, had formed a last line of protection.

"Corrupt Malaysian government," "Liars!" shouted the protesters. A few threw water bottles over the gate onto embassy grounds. Some were seen being shoved about by plainclothes security officials, but no serious clashes appeared to have broken out.

At least one woman was seen fainting and falling on the ground.

There was more shoving and shouting when protesters tried to take reporters with them across the police lines, but the policemen stopped all the reporters and only allowed some family members to pass.

Family members of MH370 passengers hold up placards in a protest near Lido Hotel in Beijing. Photo: SCMP/Simon Song

Many distraught family members have accused the airline and the Malaysian government of repeatedly lying to and misleading them about the fate and whereabouts of their loved ones on board the missing flight.

There were screams of disbelief and uncontrollable sobbing when the Malaysian government informed family members late Monday evening that they had concluded the plane had crashed in the Indian Ocean, and nobody on board survived.

A family member wearing a white T-shirt with the Chinese character "bless MH370" cries at the Lido Hotel in Beijing. Photo: Simon Song

"I can't take this," shouted a middle-aged woman who had to be supported by two men in the Beijing hotel where relatives were summoned ahead of the announcement that the jet was lost.

"Why is the Malaysian government doing this to us?" cried a man. Paramedics were on hand to help those who simply could not cope with the terrible news.

Reporters were kept out of the room, as they were at a Kuala Lumpur hotel where a similar family meeting was held.

But some family members spoke publicly when they left, some hurling abuse at the Malaysian government.

A woman, held by family on both sides, begged journalists for help. "Reporters, help us say something to the governments," she cried.

"Don't they have children themselves? Are their children all dead? Why are they doing this? I need the governments to speak to us direct. It's not right that they announce this now."

Some relatives in Beijing lashed out as they left their meeting with the Malaysian flag carrier, with one man throwing punches and kicks at assembled media.

One woman left the room shouting “Murderers! Murderers” and crying uncontrollably as she was held by two other family members, while another swiped at cameramen with her handbag, shouting “Get away!”

At about 2am a group of around 30 relatives came out of the room to meet waiting reporters.

Family members of MH370 passengers protest on Tuesday morning near Beijing's Lido Hotel. Photo: Simon Song

“The Malaysian government, Malaysian Airlines and the Malaysian armed forces are the real murderers who have killed our loved ones,” a man said, appearing to read from a prepared statement on a laptop on behalf of the group.

“The relatives of the passengers launch the strongest protest and condemnation” against them, he added.

The man also said the relatives would use “all possible means” to protest.

In a statement from the Chinese Family Committee, the families criticised the Malaysian government over its handling of the investigation into the fate of MH370.

"From March 8 when they announced that MH370 lost contact to today, 18 days have passed during which the Malaysian government and military constantly tried to delay, deceive the passengers' families and cheat the whole world," the statement said.

A protester holds a banner reading "Don't let us wait too long, MH370". Photo: Simon Song

"This shameless behaviour not only fooled and hurt the families of the 154 passengers but also misguided and delayed rescue actions, wasting a large quantity of human resources and materials and lost valuable time for the rescue effort.

"If the 154 passengers did lose their lives, Malaysia Airlines, the Malaysian government and military are the real executioners who killed them. We the families of those on board submit our strongest protest against them.

"We will take every possible means to pursue the unforgivable crimes and responsibility of all three."

Family members have been among the most distrusting of Kuala Lumpur from the outset. Statements have often been corrected or retracted.

And last night's announcement by Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak that analysis from UK specialists had confirmed that the plane's last known location was in the middle of the Indian Ocean, far from any possible landing site, did little to quell their anger and suspicion.

A woman is stretchered off after fainting at the news. Photo: Xinhua

Among the increasingly suspicious relatives was Zheng Xi, a thirtysomething woman from Nanjing who spoke to the South China Morning Post by phone. "Malaysia knew what happened to the plane," Zheng, who had two relatives on board, said. "They knew all along but they wanted to act like they didn't. They wanted to divert people's attention and get as many countries involved as possible and then tell people that the plane was lost in the world's most remote location."

Even if she has given up on ever seeing her relatives alive, she said she felt no closure because the bodies have not been recovered.

"We will not stop searching, we will go to the Premier of China if we have to. We will find them," she said.

 

[InformationSociety]

Time running out in hunt for black box that could unlock mystery of MH370 disappearance

PUBLISHED : Tuesday, 25 March, 2014, 12:51pm
UPDATED : Tuesday, 25 March, 2014, 12:58pm

Associated Press in Canberra, Australia

The Towed Pinger Locator (TPL) 25 System is used for locating emergency relocation pingers on downed Navy and commercial aircraft at a maximum depth of 20,000 feet(6,000 metres). Photo: AFP

Time is running out to find the crucial keys that could solve the mystery of how and why Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 went down.

After the excruciating 17-day wait for confirmation that the Boeing 777 crashed into the southern Indian Ocean, searchers are racing to locate the so-called black boxes before a battery-powered ping they emit fades away.

By law, the boxes with must be able to send those signals for at least 30 days following a crash. But experts say they can continue making noise for another 15 days or so beyond that, depending upon the strength of the black box battery at the time of the crash.

Without the black boxes — the common name for the voice and data recorders normally attached to a fuselage — it would be virtually impossible for investigators to definitively say what caused the crash.

The location of the plane is still unknown more than two weeks after it crashed, although Malaysian authorities say a British satellite company has pinpointed its last position in the Indian Ocean, where several countries have reported finding floating debris.

It’s now up to experts in ocean currents and weather patterns to give searchers their best estimate on where the plane actually went down, which is where the black boxes - in reality orange or red cylinders - are likely to be located.

“We’ve got to get lucky,” said John Goglia, a former member of the U.S. National Transportation Safety Board. “It’s a race to get to the area in time to catch the black box pinger while it’s still working.”

Crew members on board an RAAF AP-3C Orion transiting at high altitude on what was to be an 11 hour search mission for missing Malaysia Airways flight MH370 over the Indian Ocean. Photo: AFP

To “catch” the signal, searchers will be putting to use a high-tech listening device loaned by the U.S. Navy.

One of the Navy’s Towed Pinger Locators is already en route to the search area.

It’s a 76 centimetre cylindrical microphone that’s slowly towed underwater in a grid pattern behind a commercial ship. It will pick up any black box ping emitted from, on average, 1.6 kilometres away, but could hear a ping from two miles away depending upon a number of factors, from ocean conditions to topography to if the black boxes are buried or not.

The listening device is attached to about 7,000 metres of cable and is guided through the ocean depths by a yellow, triangular carrier with a shark fin on top. It looks like a stingray and has a wingspan of 3 feet.

The device sends data up that long cable every half second, where both human operators and computers aboard a ship carefully listen for any strong signals and record a ping’s location. The ship keeps towing the device over the grid so that operators can triangulate the strongest pings and hopefully locate the exact location of the black boxes.

Aside from the Towed Pinger Locator, an Australian navy support vessel, the Ocean Shield, is expected to arrive in the search zone within three or four days, officials said. It’s equipped with acoustic detection equipment that will also listen for pings.

Crew members on board an RAAF AP-3C Orion having just completed an 11 hour search mission for missing Malaysia Airways flight MH370 before landing at the RAAF Pearce airbase in Perth. Photo: AFP

If the pings aren't heard

If no strong signals are located before the battery on the black boxes fades away, then searchers must move on to using side-scan sonar via devices that send sounds to the sea’s depths and analyze the echo return to map the ocean floor. That allows experts to look for any abnormalities in the seabed or any shape that wouldn’t normally be associated with the area.

The sonar devices can be towed behind a ship or used with unmanned mini submarines that can dive to the ocean floor for about 20 hours at a time, scanning the search area, mapping the ocean and looking for the wreckage.

This is how searchers found the wreckage of Air France Flight 447, which went down in 2009 in the Atlantic between Brazil’s northeast coast and western Africa. Underwater search vehicles scanned the mountainous sea floor and sent data back up to experts aboard ships that stayed at sea for a month at a time.

Finally, evidence of possible debris was detected by sonar. Another underwater vehicle with a special high-resolution video camera was sent in to allow scientists to visually inspect the area.

In the case of the Air France jet, it took over $40 million, four lengthy searches and nearly two years before the plane and the black boxes were found.

 

[eatshitndie]

Yes it is really big money but the insurers will definitely be reinsured.

As an aside, some airlines these days try to find ways to cut cost on safety and security because of high fuel prices and low yields affecting their profitability. This is really stupid because if they think safety and security is expensive, then hopefully they now see that an event ( accident ) like this is much more expensive.

In no way am I referring to MAS though.

yes, it's definitely an industry that cannot cut corners. so many of us fly frequently. we are all concerned. and sorry for misspelling your moniker. :o

 

[potato29]

Just curious. Any difference in compensation if it was sabotage, suicide, hijack or human error?

if can proof they are negligent then can get more.

 

[eatshitndie]

Spot On! Very sound analysis..

Whoever's theory that the plane was hijacked by north korea better put his head inside toilet bowl and Guggle with the shit water.

also cannot dismiss cargo with lithium batteries. remember the cargo plane in dubai with tens of thousands of gadgets with lithium batteries? both pilots died from smoke inhalation.

 

[Tuayapeh]

also cannot dismiss cargo with lithium batteries. remember the cargo plane in dubai with tens of thousands of gadgets with lithium batteries? both pilots died from smoke inhalation.

since when does lithium batteries just explode for no reason and bring down a plane?


you forgot that there was some deliberate actions involved in diverting the plane after raising it to 45k ft and then dropping to 23k ft then flying back to 35k whilst diverting from flight plan westwards?


what puzzles me the most if wtf would anyone bother to do all that and then fly to the middle of no fucking where to crash in the deepest and most remote part of the world's oceans har?>????



i smell bullshit at work again.... like the kind of 911 bullshit........