MALAYSIAN Airlines flight en route to China is missing.

[InformationSociety]

Australia says suspected plane debris may have sunk

By Matt Siegel and A. Ananthalakshmi
PERTH, Australia/KUALA LUMPUR Fri Mar 21, 2014 11:00am EDT

A Royal Australian Air Force AP-3C Orion returns from a search for Malaysian Airlines Flight MH370 over the Indian Ocean, at RAAF Base Pearce, north of Perth March 21, 2014. REUTERS/Jason Reed

(Reuters) - The international team hunting Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 in the remote southern Indian Ocean failed to turn up anything on Friday, and Australia's deputy prime minister said the suspected debris may have sunk.

Aircraft and ships have also renewed a search in the Andaman Sea between India and Thailand, going over areas that have already been exhaustively swept to find some clue to unlock one of the biggest mysteries in modern aviation.

The Boeing 777 went missing almost two weeks ago off the Malaysian coast with 239 people aboard. There has been no confirmed sign of wreckage but two objects seen floating deep south in the Indian Ocean were considered a credible lead and set off a huge hunt on Thursday.

Australian authorities said the first aircraft to sweep treacherous seas on Friday about 2,500 km (1,500 miles) southwest of Perth was on its way back to base without spotting the objects picked out by satellite images five days ago.

"Something that was floating on the sea that long ago may no longer be floating," Deputy Prime Minister Warren Truss told reporters in Perth. "It may have slipped to the bottom."

But the search was continuing and Australian, New Zealand and U.S. aircraft would be joined by Chinese and Japanese planes over the weekend.

"It's about the most inaccessible spot that you can imagine on the face of the Earth, but if there is anything down there, we will find it," Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott told reporters in Papua New Guinea, where he is on a visit.

"Now it could just be a container that's fallen off a ship. We just don't know, but we owe it to the families and the friends and the loved ones to do everything we can to try to resolve what is as yet an extraordinary riddle."

India said it was sending two aircraft, a Poseidon P-8I maritime surveillance aircraft and a C-130 Hercules transporter, to join the hunt in the southern Indian Ocean. It is also sending another P-8I and four warships to search in the Andaman Sea, where the plane was last seen on military radar on March 8.

In New Delhi, officials said the search in areas around the Andaman island chain was not at the request of Malaysian authorities coordinating the global search for the airliner.

"All the navies of the world have SAR regions," said Capt. D.K. Sharma, an Indian navy spokesman, referring to search and rescue regions. "So we're doing it at our own behest."

Investigators suspect Flight MH370, which took off from Kuala Lumpur for Beijing shortly after midnight on March 8, was deliberately diverted thousands of miles from its scheduled path. They say they are focusing on hijacking or sabotage but have not ruled out technical problems.

The search for the plane also continues in other regions, including a wide arc sweeping northward from Laos to Kazakhstan.

In the Indian Ocean, three Australian and two Japanese P-3 Orions joined a high-tech U.S. Navy P-8 Poseidon and a civilian Bombardier Global Express jet to search the 23,000 square km (8,900 sq mile) zone, Australian and Malaysian authorities said.

A Norwegian merchant ship, the Hoegh St. Petersburg, was diverted to the area on Thursday and another vessel would arrive later on Friday.

An Australian navy ship was expected to arrive in the search area on Saturday and Britain's HMS Echo, a multi-purpose ocean survey vessel, was also heading to the region, Malaysia said.

China's icebreaker for Antarctic research, Xuelong, or Snow Dragon, will set off from Perth to search the area, Chinese state news agency Xinhua cited maritime authorities as saying. Up to five more Chinese ships, with three ship-borne helicopters, were steaming towards the search zone from across the Indian Ocean.

Australian authorities said they had not asked for the ships to search the area. About two-thirds of the missing plane's passengers were Chinese nationals.

Malaysian Defence Minister Hishammuddin Hussein said that searchers were facing a "long haul" but were conscious that the clock was ticking. The plane's "black box" voice and data recorder only transmits an electronic signal for about 30 days before its battery dies, after which it will be far more difficult to locate.

It took investigators two years to find the black box from a Air France jetliner that crashed into the Atlantic Ocean on a stormy night in June 2009.

"If we do not find it within the 30 days, it brings in other issues of how to locate it - as the French airline had to take two years. That comes into a different realm of search and rescue," Hishammuddin said.

STUDYING SATELLITES

There have been many false leads and no confirmed wreckage found from Flight MH370 since it vanished off Malaysia's east coast less than an hour after taking off.

There has also been criticism of the search operation and investigation, as more than two dozen countries scramble to overcome logistical and diplomatic hurdles.

Investigators piecing together patchy data from military radar and satellites believe that, minutes after its identifying transponder was switched off as it crossed the Gulf of Thailand, the plane turned sharply west, re-crossing the Malay Peninsula and following an established route towards India.

What happened next is unclear, but faint electronic "pings" picked up by one commercial satellite suggest the aircraft flew on for at least six hours.

A source with direct knowledge of the situation said that information gleaned from the pings had been passed to investigators within a few days, but it took Malaysia more than a week to narrow the search area to two large arcs - one reaching south to near where the potential debris was spotted, and a second crossing to the north into China and central Asia.

(Additional reporting by Jane Wardell in Sydney, Naomi Tajitsu in Wellington, A. Ananthalakshmi, Anuradha Raghu and Niluksi Koswanage in Kuala Lumpur, Neil Darby in Perth, Byron Kaye in Canberra, Mark Hosenball and Andrea Shalal in Washington, Nicholas Vinocur in Paris, Paul Sandle in London,; Frank Jack Daniel and Sruthi Gottipati in New Delhi; Writing by Lincoln Feast; Editing by Stuart Grudgings, Raju Gopalakrishnan and Nick Macfie)

 

[eatshitndie]

even more surprising is that US 7th fleet seems like don't know anything or know something don't say.

a pentagon spokesperson came forward and said they "couldn't reveal capabilities of their assets in the area." they've pretty much written off the plane and the lives in it. they're just grudgingly doing whatever to please the ntsb, as it's a boeing jet, and ntsb has jurisdiction over the search and investigation. u.s. agencies are full of territorial and jurisdictional bs. :*:

 

[InformationSociety]

China refused permission to search for missing plane in Indian waters

Posted by Craig Hill March 21, 2014 ⋅

India has declined China’s proposal to allow four of its warships to join the hunt for the MH370 jetliner near the Andaman and Nicobar archipelago, even as it is now dispatching two aircraft to Malaysia to join the international search force that is now scanning southern Indian Ocean off Australia for the missing 777-200ER aircraft.

Officials on Thursday said China’s request to allow its four warships, including two frigates and a salvage vessel, to enter Indian territorial waters has been “politely turned down” since Indian warships and aircraft are already searching the Bay of Bengal and Andaman Sea around the 572-island cluster.

While the Chinese warships are free to sail in international waters, Indian forces will obviously be unhappy about their presence anywhere near the strategically-located Andaman and Nicobar Islands.

“The A&N command is our military outpost in the region, which overlooks the Malacca Strait and dominates the Six-Degree Channel. We don’t want Chinese warships sniffing around in the area on the pretext of hunting for the missing jetliner or anti-piracy patrols,” said an official.

An Indian P-8I long-range maritime reconnaissance plane and a C-130J special operations aircraft, with electro-optic and infra-red sensors, meanwhile will fly to Malaysia on Friday morning to join the international search force there.

The new region off Australia is now on everyone’s radar screens after two objects, which could be debris from the missing Malaysian Airlines 777-200ER aircraft, were spotted floating there by a satellite on Thursday.

“Indian Navy already has four warships (INS Satpura, Sahyadari, Saryu and Batti Malv) deployed in the Bay of Bengal and Andaman Sea in continuation of the search for the jetliner. Extensive air searches are also being conducted with three aircraft (P-8I, C-130J and Dornier-228) in the area,” said an officer.

“In addition to all this, the P-8I and C-130J will be joining the international force in Malaysia by Friday afternoon. We are in continuous touch with the Royal Malaysian Navy and Air Force from our maritime operations centre at New Delhi to render all possible help,” he added.

 

[neddy]

a pentagon spokesperson came forward and said they "couldn't reveal capabilities of their assets in the area." they've pretty much written off the plane and the lives in it. they're just grudgingly doing whatever to please the ntsb, as it's a boeing jet, and ntsb has jurisdiction over the search and investigation. u.s. agencies are full of territorial and jurisdictional bs. :*:

The search area is known as the 'Roaring Forties'. Treacherous sea!

The closest I ever get to the 'Roaring Forties' is on the ship (HMS Bullfrog) docked off False Bay in South Africa on the floating restaurant by the same name. The smell of the old ship mixed with the seafood buffet is enough to make me sea-sick. (excuse my Friday nite BS )

 

[eatshitndie]

The search area is known as the 'Roaring Forties'. Treacherous sea!

anything in and around the indian subcontinent is treacherous!

 

[neddy]

anything in and around the indian subcontinent is treacherous!

Probably toxic as well. Not a good place to search for anything.

 

[GoldenPeriod]

Now they say the plane debris has sunk? wtf....

 

[InformationSociety]

Australian, US aircraft find nothing in search for MH370 in Indian Ocean

Search operation faces the reality of the massive area to be scoured

PUBLISHED : Friday, 21 March, 2014, 11:51pm
UPDATED : Saturday, 22 March, 2014, 1:39am

Danny Lee and Angela Meng in Kuala Lumpur and Stephen Chen in Beijing

Australian air force servicemen launch a marker buoy from a C-130J Hercules aircraft flying above the southern Indian Ocean. Photo: AFP

Australian and US military planes flew back to base empty-handed last night after a fruitless search for debris from missing flight MH370 in the southern Indian Ocean.

A day after satellite images showed "possible objects" from the Malaysia Airlines passenger jet more than 2,260 kilometres off the west coast of Australia, investigators were coming to terms with the logistical realities of searching one of the most remote stretches of ocean on the planet.

It is two weeks since the Boeing 777 with 239 passengers on board, 154 of them Chinese, vanished from radar screens over the South China Sea.

The clock is ticking on the 30-day period within which the flight's crucial black box must be found.

As an international armada of military and civilian vessels heads for the area, fears grew that by the time they get there the objects will be unrecoverable, having sunk or been swept away by powerful currents.

"The most sophisticated aircraft and vessels are heading in that direction [off the west coast of Australia]. Some assets have actually covered the area," Malaysia's acting transport minister, Hishammuddin Hussein, said.

Search teams flying over the southern Indian Ocean were hampered by poor visibility and bad weather.

Two P-3 Orion aircraft from the Royal Australian Air Force and the US P-8 Poseidon are among the aircraft leading the search of the potential wreckage site. One P-3 Orion from New Zealand and two more types of the same Orion from Japan have been deployed.

China reacted quickly to the report of suspected debris and extended its search efforts southward.

Four civilian rescue vessels and three naval ships near Singapore, all equipped with detection devices such as surface radar and sonar, had received instructions from Beijing and were steaming southward at full speed towards Australia, according to Xinhua.

Chinese icebreaker Snow Dragon was preparing to set sail from Perth after having received orders to join the search in the southern Indian Ocean.

"Yes, it is a challenge but we are using every possible asset and equipment that is available to the world out there to locate the aircraft," Hishammuddin said.

Hishammuddin appealed to US Secretary of Defence Chuck Hagel last night for further unspecified specialist assets, including remotely operated vehicles for deep ocean salvage.

Hishammuddin said a request for a refuelling plane would be made to join the operation to keep the search aircraft in the air for as long as possible.

Officials in Kuala Lumpur toned town earlier assessments that the objects of interest in the southern Indian Ocean could lead to missing flight MH370.

"In the event we do not find the debris in the near future, I will reveal and inform the media what our plans are in the southern corridor," Hishammuddin said.

Although expectations were raised by the satellite images, neither of the search corridors have been narrowed. Malaysia said it was waiting for permission from Kazakhstan to use the nation as a second base for aircraft searching in the northern corridor.

"Obviously, the search has taken a global perspective," Hishammuddin added.

 

[singveld]

liar m&d


Missing jet WAS carrying highly flammable lithium batteries: CEO of Malaysian Airlines admits plane had dangerous cargo - four days after he DENIED it

The confirmation by Ahmad Jauhari (above) comes days after he denied the aircraft was carrying any dangerous items and nearly two weeks after MH370 went missing. His admission at a press conference in Kuala Lumpur has re-ignited speculation that a fire may be behind its disappearance.

 

[kukubird58]

liar m&d


Missing jet WAS carrying highly flammable lithium batteries: CEO of Malaysian Airlines admits plane had dangerous cargo - four days after he DENIED it

The confirmation by Ahmad Jauhari (above) comes days after he denied the aircraft was carrying any dangerous items and nearly two weeks after MH370 went missing. His admission at a press conference in Kuala Lumpur has re-ignited speculation that a fire may be behind its disappearance.

hahaha.....that the plane was still flying for many hours away from its intended course after it last radio contacts is almost certain based on various sources (pings/radar records) and we still have idiots saying a fire onboard is a likely cause behind its disappearance....truly retarded.

 

[Arena]

hahaha.....that the plane was still flying for many hours away from its intended course after it last radio contacts is almost certain based on various sources (pings/radar records) and we still have idiots saying a fire onboard is a likely cause behind its disappearance....truly retarded.

hahaha...in the end no orgasm... so now new theories and speculation resumes....

 

[steffychun]

a pentagon spokesperson came forward and said they "couldn't reveal capabilities of their assets in the area." they've pretty much written off the plane and the lives in it. they're just grudgingly doing whatever to please the ntsb, as it's a boeing jet, and ntsb has jurisdiction over the search and investigation. u.s. agencies are full of territorial and jurisdictional bs. :*:

simple interpretation: they had something to do with it. And to cover it up, blame the Malaysian government.

 

[tanwahtiu]

Ever wonder why so many countries take part in search

1. All of them using up their budget, so next year can justify ask for more budget. Make job easy for 39% EP Ah Tan to increase your budget, where to sign, dear cousin?

2. Report to tax payers they work hard for you. In case you are on one of the planes, see we have experiences in search for your body.

3. More importantly, catching up with old friends, like going back to reservist in NSF, teo boh!

4. Keep unemployment low.

5. Give ministers more reasons to make oversea calls or go overseas and then la kopi later on and checked out property investment and buy more properties.

 

[steffychun]

Re: Ever wonder why so many countries take part in search

1. All of them using up their budget, so next year can justify ask for more budget. Make job easy for 39% EP Ah Tan to increase your budget, where to sign, dear cousin?

2. Report to tax payers they work hard for you. In case you are on one of the planes, see we have experiences in search for your body.

3. More importantly, catching up with old friends, like going back to reservist in NSF, teo boh!

4. Keep unemployment low.

5. Give ministers more reasons to make oversea calls or go overseas and then la kopi later on and checked out property investment and buy more properties.

they love to search for Chinks.

 

[god_zeus]

confirm: MH370 'taken' or rescued by UFO Galatic mothership

http://www.whoneedslight.net/page/484045604

..................This may take negotiations, and of course we have to wait for a few days while the thousands of people, airplanes, ships, helicopters, from 12 or 14 different countries are scouring the oceans searching to find some evidence, some trace of the crash, but of course they are not going to find anything. There is no evidence because there was no plane crash.

There was no plane crash. We scooped up the airplane as we have done before, took it to Hollow Earth


and all are safe and sound. Now, it is a shame that the families are suffering and we wish we could put an end to that very quickly. If any of you who know anyone in Asia or China.. any of the families - there were a large number of Chinese passengers - please get the information to them.


The passengers are safe and sound in the loving hands of the Galactic Federation of Light. They are being wined and dined. Of course we don’t drink wine, but we have a better replacement. They are being well cared for and are having the time of their life. There is more than enough excitement, and I will give you another bit of information.


Many of them had their cell phones with them. We are able to tap into the networks, so that eventually they will be able to send messages to their loved ones. First we have to wait until these crews of people who are sure they are going to find some evidence finish scouring the entire Asian continent. There are stories ‘maybe the airplane turned around and went back.’ Of course it didn’t.


Our ships were just off the coast anticipating. We have millions of ships in the skies, you know. We saw that the plane was in trouble - serious hydraulic failure which would have led to a catastrophic crash - and when we did what you might call ‘capture the airliner,’ we were very careful. There was no harm either to the airplane or any one of the passengers or crew - they hardly felt a bump because we can catch and carry a large airliner with no problem at all; our ships are enormous.


“Please let the families know, the passengers are safe and sound in the loving hands of the Galactic Federation of Light.”

 

[chootchiew]

Re: Ever wonder why so many countries take part in search

becos they feel paiseh not to search lor

 

[GoldenPeriod]

hahaha...in the end no orgasm... so now new theories and speculation resumes....

Australia's deputy prime minister warns that possible Malaysia Airlines plane wreckage spotted by satellite may never be found

I think he is hinting that they are going to up soon.

 

[sadshishamo]

The carriage of dangerous goods in an airplane is governed by set down rules and regulations. Lithium batteries can be carried under certain conditions. As long as these goods are packaged in a safe manner and in small quantities per package , their uplift on planes is allowed. There was a recent revision in the rules and laws governing the carriage of dangerous cargo at the end of last year.

As to the MAS CEO's announcements and about turn I cant say very much.

liar m&d


Missing jet WAS carrying highly flammable lithium batteries: CEO of Malaysian Airlines admits plane had dangerous cargo - four days after he DENIED it

The confirmation by Ahmad Jauhari (above) comes days after he denied the aircraft was carrying any dangerous items and nearly two weeks after MH370 went missing. His admission at a press conference in Kuala Lumpur has re-ignited speculation that a fire may be behind its disappearance.

 

[bakkuttay]

Lithium fumes must have knocked out all on board.
RIP!!!!!

 

[Confuseous]

MAS CEO confesses MH370 was carrying highly flammable cargo

Malaysian Airlines today confirmed that flight MH370 had been carrying highly flammable lithium-ion batteries in its cargo hold, re-igniting speculation that a fire may have caused its disappearance.

The admission by CEO Ahmad Jauhari comes four days after he denied the aircraft was carrying any dangerous items and nearly two weeks after the plane went missing.

He said the authorities were investigating the cargo, but did not regard the batteries as hazardous - despite the law dictating they are classed as such - because they were packaged according to safety regulations.

The revelation has thrown the spotlight back on the theory that the Boeing 777 may have been overcome by a fire, rendering the crew and passengers unconscious after inhaling toxic fumes.

Lithium-ion batteries - which are used in mobile phones and laptops - have been responsible for a number of fires on planes and have even brought aircraft down in recent years.

Billie Vincent, the former head of security for the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration, said the revelation re-affirmed his belief that flames started in the cargo hold, destroying the aircraft's communication systems then filling the cabin with toxic fumes.

This, he says, would have overwhelmed the passengers but may have given the pilots a chance to divert the aircraft for an emergency landing.

He told Air Traffic Management: 'The data released thus far most likely points to a problem with hazardous materials.

'This scenario begins with the eruption of hazardous materials within the cargo hold – either improperly packaged or illegally shipped – or both.'

It is thought the missing plane climbed to 45,000ft - a move Mr Vincent believes may have resulted from the pilots not being able to see the controls properly.

CHANGING RESPONSES FROM CEO

What Ahmad Jauhari said four days ago:

When asked at a press conference if there was any dangerous cargo on board, he replied: 'We had a load of mangosteens headed to China.

'It was a large quantity - about three to four tonnes of mangosteens,' he said to laughter from the media.

What he said today:

'We carried some lithium-ion small batteries, they are not big batteries and they are basically approved under the ICAO (The International Civil Aviation Organisation) under dangerous goods.'

Responding to a question at a press conference in Kuala Lumpur, Mr Jauhari said: 'We carried some lithium-ion small batteries, they are not big batteries and they are basically approved under the ICAO (The International Civil Aviation Organisation) under dangerous goods.

'They (lithium-ion batteries) are not dangerous goods per se, but in terms (of) they are (being) declared as dangerous goods under ICAO.'

He insisted they were checked several times to ensure they complied with the guidelines.

'Airlines do that all the time, it is not just Malaysia Airlines. These goods are being flown by many airlines as cargo anyway, (which) is based on ICAO’s ruling,' he added.

When asked earlier this week if there was hazardous cargo on board, Mr Jauhari said no, adding that it was carrying 'three to four tonnes of mangosteens'.

IF BATTERY PACKS FAIL THEY ARE PRONE TO BURSTING INTO FLAMES

Lithium-ion batteries are found in everyday items including laptops, mobile phones, iPods and other electrical products.

They are very common, because pound for pound, they are one of the most energetic rechargeable batteries available.

The batteries do have the ability to burst into flames, and while it is uncommon, when they ignite they can cause an extreme fire.

Lithium-ion batteries are very sensitive to high temperatures. Heat can cause the battery packs to degrade much faster than they normally would.

If the battery fails there is a chance the pack could burst into flames.

They can pose a danger and safety hazard since they contain, unlike other rechargeable batteries, a flammable electrolyte and are kept pressurised.

Radar also confirmed the flight later dropped to 23,000ft which, according to Mr Vincent, is a diversion altitude set by manufacturers to limit the spread of the fire.