Malays making it in sinkie. Its only a matter of time before we retake the island. And after that, taiwan, our motherland.

[nightsafari]

Some thing to do with constitution of the Malayan Federation? Who knows?

really who knows...

 

[nightsafari]

That's actually incorrect. Singapore's Constitution did not say that a m&d who renounced islam ceases to be a m&d. He only ceases to be a m&d-moslem.

syed putra wrong?

The mohameddan faith was founded in a tribal society. In tribes, everyone in the tribe shares the same religion and same customs. You don't get people in the same tribe belonging to a different race or culture or religion or social norms. It's just doesn't happen.

In most tribal places that accepted islam, it is usually only the tribal chief or patriach who accepted islam. Once he accepted islam, it is understood that he accepted islam on behalf of the entire tribe. Hence, the entire tribe will be associated with the islamic religion. Anyone in the tribe who refuses to embrace the same religion as the tribal chief will either be killed or banished for good. It's not the same as excommunication, because the excommunicated individual is usually still permitted to stay in the same town or city as the rest of the tribe.

In the m&d history centuries ago, there were lots of little tribal kings. The king accepted islam, and so, the rest of his kingdom is ordered to switch religion and customs with the king, or face banishment or execution.

In islamic history, after the moslem 'prophet' mahomet died from the effects of poisoning, a number of arab tribal chiefs renounced islam. It meant that the rest of their tribes and warriors also left the islamic religion with their chiefs, and this apostasy/rebellion was only put down with military force, either compelling those rebel chiefs to re-embrace islam, or to just kill them and absorb their tribes into other tribes who were already moslem.

The moslem religion is a tribal religion, and leads to a different society from non-tribal societies like the chinks. For the chinks, you can be a taoist, buddhist, animist or free thinker, and you're still welcome to live anywhere in the kingdom, or share the same town as those who believe differently from you. You won't be banished or killed because you're not seen as a threat or outsider by the rest of the town.

Tribal societies don't believe in diversity.

That's a very logical progression.

However, that still doesn't address my point where present day Malays wholesale equate themselves as Muslim without question. Unless of course you're indirectly saying that they're still tribal societies to this day with their tribal mindset. We're beyond tribalism no?

 

[JohnTan]

That's a very logical progression.

However, that still doesn't address my point where present day Malays wholesale equate themselves as Muslim without question. Unless of course you're indirectly saying that they're still tribal societies to this day with their tribal mindset. We're beyond tribalism no?

m&ds equating themselves as moslem is limited to only peninsula malaya and some segments of Singapore. For jiuhu, they passed a law stating that any m&d moslem who leaves islam will legally cease to be a m&d. This law does not apply to bumi m&ds in sabah and sarawak who are Christian. The m&d moslems also view themselves as distinct from the animist orang asli of peninsula malaya.

Yes, they are tribal societies with a tribal mindset. It has taken PAP a lot of effort to reform how the mohameddan religion is practiced in Singapore. For example, the chinks and kelings have assoications to help them, regardless of what religion, or lack of religion, they profess. For the m&ds, Mendaki also assists only m&d moslems.

 

[JohnTan]

Putin got Crimea with very little resistance.

That's because most of the local Crimeans are Russian, not Ukrainians. Crimea has been part of Russia for centuries before being given to Ukraine by Soviet leader Khruschev in the 1960s in an internal administrative reorganization.

 

[Leckmichamarsch]

SHIT POOtra gone nuts after buttgucking his camel n sucking its cock

 

[syed putra]

m&ds equating themselves as moslem is limited to only peninsula malaya and some segments of Singapore. For jiuhu, they passed a law stating that any m&d moslem who leaves islam will legally cease to be a m&d. This law does not apply to bumi m&ds in sabah and sarawak who are Christian. The m&d moslems also view themselves as distinct from the animist orang asli of peninsula malaya.

Yes, they are tribal societies with a tribal mindset. It has taken PAP a lot of effort to reform how the mohameddan religion is practiced in Singapore. For example, the chinks and kelings have assoications to help them, regardless of what religion, or lack of religion, they profess. For the m&ds, Mendaki also assists only m&d moslems.

Non muslim malays, like philipinos will be categorised as " others".

 

[LordElrond]

anyway care to address the point? Why Malay=Muslim?

or anybody else?

@mojito or @whoami

In Mudland that’s the law I think

 

[JohnTan]

syed putra wrong?

Yup. syed putra is wrong. There's no Singapore law that states that m&ds must be moslem. m&d moslem self help groups get around this problem by explicitly stating that mendaki self-help group only helps m&d moslems, not m&ds. Likewise, Madam President won in the Presidential Elections that was reserved for m&d moslems, not m&ds only.

 

[nightsafari]

Yup. syed putra is wrong. There's no Singapore law that states that m&ds must be moslem. m&d moslem self help groups get around this problem by explicitly stating that mendaki self-help group only helps m&d moslems, not m&ds. Likewise, Madam President won in the Presidential Elections that was reserved for m&d moslems, not m&ds only.

so need not be muslim, but if you're not lose a ton of privileges. sounds like coercion to me.

 

[Hypocrite-The]

Its in the constitution of malaysia and singapore. A malay is defined as a person who practices malay custom ( can be white, black, chinese, indisn, orang asli, malay) and muslim.
As far as the law is concerned, the moment a malay denounce muslim faith, he is no more a malay in this two countries.
This is not the case in indonesia where a malay can be of any faith.

So malays are not a race?

 

[syed putra]

So malays are not a race?

Under malaysian constitution, its not a race. Anyone can be a malay if he behave like one snd is a muslim.

 

[Hypocrite-The]

Under malaysian constitution, its not a race. Anyone can be a malay if he behave like one snd is a muslim.

So there is no such thing as a malay race?

 

[JohnTan]

so need not be muslim, but if you're not lose a ton of privileges. sounds like coercion to me.

There's also the islamic niqah wedding, conducted by ROMM.

For most weddings, be it secular or officiated by a non-islamic religious leader, either spouse is allowed to change religion during the marriage. In an islamic marriage, any moslem who leaves islam is immediately divorced from their moslem spouse. That law is applicable only for islamic marriages.

Lots of coercion to get moslems to stay in the islamic religion.