Living in JB 2 (Johore)

[DREAMorACTION]

Oh, is that so, bro? I would think that ALL rights/agreements shall be transferred via the MOT (or deed of assignment in cases without title yet) when the 1st owner sells it? Is there no such clause governing the DMC in the aspect of "transfer"? Well, I have not entered into a DMC yet, so i have yet to examine any DMC. I'd better leave it to other learned bro to shed some lights.

Developer can use DMC to bind the 1st owner into an agreement.
I think the problem starts with the subsequent owners.
By right, the first owner need to ensure that the subsequent buyer of his unit must also sign the same DMC.
Developer collects a deposit from 1st owner ...which would be forfeited if this is not done so.
In my case, the deposit is only RM500.
If 1st owner is to sell to 2nd owner who insist not to sign the DMC, I think it can be easily done so. It's only penalty of RM500 right ?
If I'm not wrong, the law specifically says that nobody (except strata-titled) must be forced into paying for G&G service.

 

[yonglip]

Hi,

Can anybody give a detailed direction on how to drive to Jusco@BI if I'm driving from Woodlands Custom.

Thx a mil

Bro..dont go la....some bros complained v crowded liao!..can i recommned Jusco tebrau instead..haha...just kidding.

There are many versions of this in this forum, the following is Bro Yonglip's 3 minutes version...haha.

when come out from Msia CIQ - there are immediately 3 lanes - left, centre and right...take the centre which is the lane you will take if going to holiday plaza. instead of filtering left after petrol station, keep right all the way and go up the bridge. filter left out after that and turn right. You will see danga city mall on the right. just go straight. you will bypass courts, burger king along the way,..continue straight until u see the road sign that says Nusajaya..filter left out...you will see tune hotel on your left. go straight, up and down the bridge,..you will pass houses both on left and right...then you will see bukit indah exit, filter left and turn right. you should see a tall condo in the near distance,...continue straight. You will see Nusa Duta on the right and Tesco further ahead. turn left via small lane into tesco, go straight and turn right,...u will see McDonalds on the left and Jusco on the right....

 

[36minit]

I ll be glad if the developer really poison the soils till no termites will live for the next 20 years..
I am just worried they didn't put enough insecticide.. Many golf courses in Singapore are also heavily poisoned, hope those in OCC, SICC which are close to reservoir will not contaminate our drinking water as well.

Yes. Golf courses are quite heavily poisoned.

If even other living things don't wish to stay in that area due to excessive poisoning,
human, as King of all living things, should even tread more carefully.

I am not sneering at you guys, just want to alert you guys to take the necessary precaution.

 

[36minit]

These days I always fell sick when eat those durians selling in town..
I Realised the durians are poisoned and stuffed with fast growth chemicals until even ants also dont want to stay near the fruits.. Recently I tasted original kamoung Ubin durians that just dropped from the trees with lots of ants.. I didnt fall sick after that.. Now we also worried over the foods, the vegies, meats selling in our super market. It seemed that we need to grow our own foods.. But land in Singapore is too expensive.. At the end still have live in JB if we want to live organic..

haha .. ubin durian is really natural though not really organic.

Once I brought my kids there to pick some durians only to be disappointed
as there are also many there waiting for durians to drop.

Best is they went there prepared with tent and food.

These days better be careful of what you eat.

 

[Aisanbo]

Oh, is that so, bro? I would think that ALL rights/agreements shall be transferred via the MOT (or deed of assignment in cases without title yet) when the 1st owner sells it? Is there no such clause governing the DMC in the aspect of "transfer"? Well, I have not entered into a DMC yet, so i have yet to examine any DMC. I'd better leave it to other learned bro to shed some lights.

This is based on Setia Eco Cascadia that I bought recently.
Each precinct is landed-strata on its own, so it has it's own DMC based on the strata-titled act.

The whole project has many precincts. And all the owners in every precinct has to sign another DMC.
This DMC is based on other regulations (not the same DMC as for the strata-titled).
I remember a clause about needing subsequent buyers to sign same DMC and that I need to pay a RM500 deposit.
I haven't got back all my legal documents so only based on memory.

Maybe, bros who bought resale can tell us whether it is possible for you not to sign DMC ?
I know most people especially from SG wants the security and would sign ,but is it possible not to sign ?

 

[ginfreely]

Din know that the charges differ.. any difference in the food std?
Wifey likes the herbal chicken which Jusco outlet sells at RM12.8

Food standard the same, think the food price the same, only the service charge/tax different..
oh herbal chicken is nice? Must give it a try next time, so far haven't found anything I especially like, go there becos the prices affordable..

 

[36minit]

My two cents worth....

You are indeed a freak!

Speaking for myself, didnt buy a property to grow lady fingers or even tomatoes to eat. Most of us are talking about houses which hopefully have a yard to do some laundry and perhaps some grass to grow on. I am all for organic but unfortunately, I will have to leave the planting, growing and harvesting to someone else that has enough land to do so....

Now, talking about your friend, rather than being so afraid or paranoid, dont you think you should be advising him/her to get her soil tested to verify instead of worrying for her life!

On a separate note about getting rid of termite by poisoning the soil is completely unfounded in my opinion. Personally (again speaking for myself), I also hope developers will help in termite treatment in all their developments. Those who has done it, will know that this is a very expensive affair even for one house. And we are talking about leisure farm here, you got to be kidding because of the vast land acreage we are talking about. However, if you are talking about air pollution here, I am not sure if your few km from Tuas will make any different.

I appreciate your contribution and advice for us to be more aware of the issue. The only part which I think you are absolutely right is that "you are a freak" and more shocking you said you are from the chemical industry.

Now you mention about air pollution... Tuas is turning into heavy chemical (mainly pharm) industry so I also worried
that if their discharge is not properly treated, it can have unimaginable consequences.

Yes, my years in the chemical industry had push me into using herbals for illness or other small pain.

You will be shocked if you see how Panadon is produced.

 

[Lord Aragorn]

Anyway, I think we should just raise awareness until here, because as far as I see it in Malaysia, it's already widely practiced and don't fix the vase if it isn't broken. Very few will refer to the statutory act unless the implication of the breach is significant. These breaches/wheel clamp etc does not cause significant damages (especially financially) and very likely that no one will ever bring such cases to the court for small claims like this. Likely go for a mutual settlement

Eh... There was a case brought up by a 70 year old couple against the management after he was denied entry because he didn't pay maintenance. I didn't follow it through but an injunction was seeked and the court ruled in favor of the old couple, ie. It is unlawful to deny entry. You should be able to look for it in Malaysia case law.

 

[ginfreely]

First, I would like to congralute all who had made the move to JB.
You are probably the 40% who had your own brain working independent of the 154th Shit Times.

My 2nd home in Tuas (my office is just 500m to 2nd link) for the last 8 years was where I first came
to seriously think of moving to JB.

Leisure Farm was my first visited property as I had Australia colleague who live there and subsequently a couple
of my Malaysians collegues who bought into Iskandan region.

Yet, I did not buy any of the property even up to till today.

You may be curious why I didn't buy any of the property.

See, I am an organic freak and my investigation led me to believe that
the developer had pump into the ground excessive "poison" in order
to pre-empt terminte problem. (pre-emptive strike in Bush word)

Can't blame them otherwise you may end up with this problem
http://www1.nst.com.my/Current_News/JohorBuzz/Wednesday/Stories/20100105213343/Article/

I went to a colleague house in one of the Iskandar area and saw that the lady finger is kind of white.

She told me that whatever she plant at her garden she dare not eat as she too realize that the plant is "poison"

We knew it was "poisoned" because we had been in the chemcial industry long enough to see what environmental
pollution is all about. (the effect is slow but very long lasting and very damaging)

I am not trying to frighten any of you but just want you all to realize this hazard and take pre-cautionary measures.

Some of these measures will annoy your neigbhors as it involves using manure (oh must be organic one too.)

http://www.ecolife.com/garden/soil-mulch/how-make-organic-topsoil.html

Anyway, just google about it and you will get tons of information of making your garden organic.

In Singapore, you can go to Bottle Tree Park near Khatit MRT and join GUI activities to know more about organic gardening.

Here's their website http://groundupinitiative.org/

I am not related to them.

All I want is to share with all forummers how to live a healthier lives style DIY.

Yeah ever watched a program before that said real organic produce must be from soil that is far away from polluted area. Actually you still can buy house in JB, just don't plant fruit/veg in your garden.

 

[Lord Aragorn]

Eh... There was a case brought up by a 70 year old couple against the management after he was denied entry because he didn't pay maintenance. I didn't follow it through but an injunction was seeked and the court ruled in favor of the old couple, ie. It is unlawful to deny entry. You should be able to look for it in Malaysia case law.

To clarify, I meant the plantiff's car was denied entry, not the old couple. They had to park outside and walk into the development. The defendant's (property manager) action was ruled unlawful by the judge even if the plantiff (old couple) did not pay the maintenance.

Like I mentioned, the only thing that was lawful is provided by the strata title act, ie. Immobilize the perpetuator's movable property (eg. Wheel clamp).

 

[lastresort]

Dr M on JB-SG undersea tunnel, paving a way for removal of causeway.

Tunnel Link — Mahathir Mohamad
January 07, 2012

JAN 7 — It is heartening to see Malaysia and Singapore agreeing on a sub-sea tunnel to connect the two countries. The bridge that will not be built now is planned to have eight lanes. This is of course due to the expected heavy traffic.

2The question is whether the tunnel can provide for this volume of traffic. An eight-lane tunnel would have to be very wide or it will need two tunnels. Even if it is a double-decker like the Smart Tunnel in Kuala Lumpur, it needs to be very tall especially as it must cater for the heavy vehicles with their containers etc.

Because it will be far below the sea-bed it will have to begin and end far inland as lorries and trucks need gentle gradients. It can be as far as four kilometres for both ends. This, together with the undersea part will stretch the tunnel to almost eight kilometres.

If the Singapore MRT is going to use it as well, there must be at least another tunnel. Trains need even more gentle slopes. So the length might be more than eight kilometres.

Can Malaysia afford the cost of half this project, assuming the other half will be borne by Singapore? The project will cost billions and will take very many years to complete.

When completed I hope the causeway and the railway line will be removed. We will not need them anymore. Then water will flow east west and vice-versa. And small boats will be able to use the Tebrau Straits without having to go around south of Singapore.

Both Singapore and Malaysia will benefit from the removal of the causeway.

 

[Polarbear]

Hello Folks,

I am new to this forum and this is my first post. Hope everyone is doing fine and thanks for sharing useful information on this forum. We have just moved from Canada to Singapore and I started my job last week. I have been reading this thread 1 since last few months and made some notes but unfortunatley my old laptop is not working so I can't access that. We are planning to rent a house for few months close to 2nd link before we will buy our own. I would greatly appreciate if someone can answer the following questions:

1. I am Canadian and Singapore PEP holder. I would be commuting to work in Singapore everyday. Is this a doable thing as far as immigration on both sides of borders is concerned?

2. My wife holds DP and holding a passport requiring visa to enter Malaysia. I was wondering if we can get a multiple entry visa for her, would that work? She won't be working in Singapore and will be visiting Singapore once/twice every month.

3. Is there any carpool / express coach service from Nusajaya to Singapore?

Thanks everyone for your

 

[investjb]

Omg,tropez is going for 720k+ for a 1200+sf condo.

 

[Aisanbo]

Omg,tropez is going for 720k+ for a 1200+sf condo.

Wow...I guess they are saying "ok....you can buy it for S$1m (i.e RM2.4m) just across the straits in Singapore ?"

 

[contra]

Yah bro. It's out of many locals reach. I have quite a few young Malaysian friends and they always aim for properties about 250k to 350k. It just means that they have to stay further away but they are practical, they only pay for what it is worth, without the development gimmicks/future potential. They are just content with a house and grow a family. So, different consideration all together ...

Have you visited Nusa Bayu? It is one of UEM's "Nusajaya Residences" collection . http://www.uemland.com/projects/residence.htm
I dropped by one time in early 2011 while they were clearing-the-land stage with a show house and sales office. Is just off the other side of the turnoff (exit 307) to Bukit Indah (HH), and very near the 2nd Link.
But have not been back since. Have you visited that?

 

[contra]

Dr M on JB-SG undersea tunnel, paving a way for removal of causeway.

Tunnel Link — Mahathir Mohamad
January 07, 2012

JAN 7 — It is heartening to see Malaysia and Singapore agreeing on a sub-sea tunnel to connect the two countries. The bridge that will not be built now is planned to have eight lanes. This is of course due to the expected heavy traffic.

2The question is whether the tunnel can provide for this volume of traffic. An eight-lane tunnel would have to be very wide or it will need two tunnels. Even if it is a double-decker like the Smart Tunnel in Kuala Lumpur, it needs to be very tall especially as it must cater for the heavy vehicles with their containers etc.

Because it will be far below the sea-bed it will have to begin and end far inland as lorries and trucks need gentle gradients. It can be as far as four kilometres for both ends. This, together with the undersea part will stretch the tunnel to almost eight kilometres.

If the Singapore MRT is going to use it as well, there must be at least another tunnel. Trains need even more gentle slopes. So the length might be more than eight kilometres.

Can Malaysia afford the cost of half this project, assuming the other half will be borne by Singapore? The project will cost billions and will take very many years to complete.

When completed I hope the causeway and the railway line will be removed. We will not need them anymore. Then water will flow east west and vice-versa. And small boats will be able to use the Tebrau Straits without having to go around south of Singapore.

Both Singapore and Malaysia will benefit from the removal of the causeway.

If HK-Kowloon and Pudong-Puxi can have tunnels that do not stretch forever, why not Singapore-JB?
Any civil engineer here to help enlighten me?

 

[contra]

To clarify, I meant the plantiff's car was denied entry, not the old couple. They had to park outside and walk into the development. The defendant's (property manager) action was ruled unlawful by the judge even if the plantiff (old couple) did not pay the maintenance.

Like I mentioned, the only thing that was lawful is provided by the strata title act, ie. Immobilize the perpetuator's movable property (eg. Wheel clamp).

One has to pay a premium to buy into a G&G. People who choose to pay the premium are because they want security, plus a nice lifestyle to boot. Thus in no one's interest not to pay the maintenance & security... of course there will be bad apples, eg when lose income or just bad attitude. For former, a grace period is understandable but the latter deserves to be denied entry simply because the guards & gardeners & cleaners need to be paid. Nice to know HH cuts off the entry by access card blockage. Is something all G&G developments can follow....

 

[contra]

Originally Posted by Lord Aragorn
Most HH precincts and other projects are not strata type. In other words, the roads in the development are all public roads. No matter how "gated guarded" one tries to implement, the law do not allow for full obstruction of public vehicles. Very few people know the security implications between strata and non-strata. Maintenance of non strata development is opt in based. In other words, one can't do anything to an owner who doesn't want to pay for security and maintenance. When too many owners see others not paying, that's where the problem starts. Neighborhood deteriorate and security compromised.On the other hand, according to the strata law in Malaysia, if an owner in a strata development do not pay for maintenance, his vehicle can be legally wheel clamped by the property manager to force him to pay up.


Posted from Grago:
Do you firstly, own property in Horizon Hills? If YES, then have you gone through your DMC ( Deed of Mutual Covenants) particularly Clause 11, remedies against purchaser/owner that defaults in duties/payments. If, you do not OWN A Property in Horizon Hills, here is a brief outline to the remedies available against the defaulting owner by the Management, breach off a legal agreement which would include damages, suspend the use of Facilities and services to the property in question which includes, refusal to allow the defaulter's car entry permit/sticker and invalidating existing entry sticker/permit.This similarly applies to the other high-end properties including Puteri Harbour IMPERIA which is STRATA Titled AND also has a DMC.Where did you get your Infor from???


Bro Grago, Just saw this, yes they are indeed strict, saw a French guy chatting on his phone while rushing to pay up. Late 2 months and no access. I was paying mine as well. They will call you to chase and very actively doing enforcement. They disabled a neighbours card and i have to accompany her and pay up first as her husband wasn't in Asia during that time.

Hi Lord Aragon,

Interesting debate you have started here. Unfortunately I think it is sending confusing messages. Let me try to clarify,.. at least for myself.

A property can be Freehold and also at the same time Strata-titled. It just means you can pass it on to your later generations (freehold). Only thing is whoever owns the property cannot anyhow do as they please with the property. It depends on the terms of the DMC. Eg. you cannot grow mango trees even in front of your house, if the estate has defined marigolds as the landscape theme (this is the strata concept) .

While in a Freehold development (non-Strata-titled), you have some freedom to grow your mango tree within your house fence but the DMC which is an agreement with your neighbours, ensures no one do as they please on the shared common space.

The difference between Strata & Non-Strata is a little degree of freedom for latter.

In both Strata and Non-Strata, not paying maintenance and security normally means breaching the DMC and means you can drive until the public roads only and not go into any private ones.

I think in the case of HH, the Precints are private areas and that means the roads entering and within each Precints are private, not opened to public. The guards can block entry.... (maybe the case of the old couple you mentioned, breached maintenance but their condo's DMC may have been weak that did not allow stronger action against breaching the DMC - need more facts before generalising).

However the roads outside the Precints are public. I say this because the Chinese school is a public ('semi-private') school. So to maintain strong security, the more Precints the better, coupled with good DMC.


I hope I have added clarity . If you want to be fully sure, pls consult a lawyer. If I have only added more confusion, pls pardon me.

 

[Lord Aragorn]

Hi Lord Aragon,

Interesting debate you have started here. Unfortunately I think it is sending confusing messages. Let me try to clarify,.. at least for myself.

A property can be Freehold and also at the same time Strata-titled. It just means you can pass it on to your later generations (freehold). Only thing is whoever owns the property cannot anyhow do as they please with the property. It depends on the terms of the DMC. Eg. you cannot grow mango trees even in front of your house, if the estate has defined marigolds as the landscape theme (this is the strata concept) .

While in a Freehold development (non-Strata-titled), you have some freedom to grow your mango tree within your house fence but the DMC which is an agreement with your neighbours, ensures no one do as they please on the shared common space.

The difference between Strata & Non-Strata is a little degree of freedom for latter.

In both Strata and Non-Strata, not paying maintenance and security normally means breaching the DMC and means you can drive until the public roads only and not go into any private ones.

I think in the case of HH, the Precints are private areas and that means the roads entering and within each Precints are private, not opened to public. The guards can block entry.... (maybe the case of the old couple you mentioned, breached maintenance but their condo's DMC may have been weak that did not allow stronger action against breaching the DMC - need more facts before generalising).

However the roads outside the Precints are public. I say this because the Chinese school is a public ('semi-private') school. So to maintain strong security, the more Precints the better, coupled with good DMC.

I hope I have added clarity . If you want to be fully sure, pls consult a lawyer. If I have only added more confusion, pls pardon me.

Nothing you said here is contrary to what I've written except that you might want to verify whether every precinct is private. As far as I know, most precincts are individual titled. In other words, roads within precincts that are individual lots are also public.

 

[DREAMorACTION]

Yes, but foreigners can't buy

Have you visited Nusa Bayu? It is one of UEM's "Nusajaya Residences" collection . http://www.uemland.com/projects/residence.htm
I dropped by one time in early 2011 while they were clearing-the-land stage with a show house and sales office. Is just off the other side of the turnoff (exit 307) to Bukit Indah (HH), and very near the 2nd Link.
But have not been back since. Have you visited that?