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Living in JB 2 (Johore)

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ODYSSEY

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Dear friends,

If you are given a choice between:

- Nusa Idaman unit at RM500k VS Horizon Hills unit at RM650k (assuming same build-up)


Assuming you are using it as weekend home with family (wife + kids) and will probably visit only 2-3 times in a month. So which will you choose?

Hi Yahoo1234,

I guessed it's up to the individual. Like the saying goes, "One man's meat is another man's poison". What a person likes may not measure up to what another person is looking for. What I can suggest is perhaps to spend more time at these two precincts to soak in the environment/atmosphere, and try to "feel" the place. Even within the same development, be it HH or NI, different houses gives off different feelings for the viewer. Keep searching and very soon you will find that one particular house beckoning you. I cant describe the feeling but u will know at once that tis is the house for u when u come across it!

Good luck with ur search.
 

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reading this article that the venerable chiang nee wrote sometime back, i guess the developers will always be upbeat, since it is in their interest to promote more wild buying or feeding into the buying frenzy. the richest in sg my hkg all feature a leg in property development of some sort. so its more onus on us the common men to sort the wheat from the chaff especially in jb where choices abound in numerous locations.

Chairman said outlook 2012/13 generally not so rosy... but Developers obviously not in same mindset... so get ready for more and more expensive property launches by these big developers, aimed straight and squarely at the SINGAPORE DOLLARS ... like I said before, excessive GREED kills!
 

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Lifted from another forum..

Who’s buying? Not Johor folk

By Shannon Teoh
The Malaysian Insider

JOHOR BARU, Jan 24 — It was the Sultan’s birthday two months ago and like most towns in Johor, Muar town was crowded with locals having a day out.
But the longest queue came out of the Maybank branch which was packed with Bangladeshis and Indonesians waiting to make withdrawals from the ATM.

Apart from food and beverage outlets, retail stores were strangely empty, save for groups of foreign workers.

In Johor Baru, the Islamic New Year a week later also saw the same scenario, except the foreigners in this case were missing, as Singaporeans were still at work south of the border.


Downtown JB is no longer the thriving retail hub it once was, forcing taxi drivers to queue for scraps.
Over this Chinese New Year, retail outlets in Johor Baru, as well as Kuala Lumpur, were also dominated by foreign workers as locals return to their hometown and leave city streets empty.
But business is slow enough in Johor’s capital that Qian Ru, a 17-year-old shopgirl, is working alone in an empty clothing store at the three-year-old Taman Sutera Utama retail hub here.

“I usually work with a partner but she is at a singing competition now,” she said.

Across the state, disposable income has dwindled as cost of living — already high in Johor Baru because of the influx of Singapore money — soared over the past three years.

State opposition leader Dr Boo Cheng Hau told The Malaysian Insider that according to the Johor economic planning unit, GDP per capita jumped by 12 per cent in 2010 but it glosses over a 12.5 per cent drop the year before.

“No one can help us anymore,” said Johor Small-Medium Enterprise Association president Teh Kee Sin, noting that the government cannot offer any more stimulus packages and Singapore tourists have been moving away from downtown JB.

“We’ve been relying on strong support from Singapore. That’s the retail market because there’s no more domestic demand,” he added.

Local businesses in the state capital been hit by the shift in Singapore tourists after the new Custom, Immigration and Quarantine (CIQ) complex and a direct route to the North-South Expressway from the Second Link in Tuas were built in 2008 and 2007 respectively.

The combination of the CIQ, which routes traffic from the Causeway around downtown JB, and the better connectivity of the Second Link resulted in the Causeway’s share as an entry point for tourist arrivals dropping from 82 per cent in 2007 to 64 per cent in 2008 while the Second Link’s share more than doubled to 29 per cent.

Money changers, which were once available at every street corner, have left the JB city centre, with those remaining saying business has dropped by more than half in the past few years.


Bo will deliver single plates from China now that bulk orders from retailers have dwindled.
According to Bo Song Chian, owner of Muar-based World-Trend Logistics, local retailers are also being hit by alternatives such as online purchases and the low cost of flying overseas to cheaper markets thanks to budget airlines such as AirAsia.
He told The Malaysian Insider 70 per cent of his business has shifted from local retailers ordering in bulk to locals ordering items online, increasing his delivery costs.

To describe the markup local retailers and logistics companies enjoyed, he pointed to a branded casing for Apple’s iPhone, which costs RM80 in the stores, but “only RM15 in China, so plus my transport fee of RM15, you can buy four and still save RM5.”

“If you order one plate from China also I will send. On top of that, I have to guarantee it will arrive in three days,” he said.

But the Barisan Nasional (BN) state government insists that the Iskandar Malaysia economic zone will flood the state with higher salaries and a thriving retail economy, including theme park Legoland which, Iskandar says, will create 5,000 jobs when it opens early this year.

Datuk Seri Najib Razak launched the Johor Premium Outlet in December last year, which the prime minister said will see three million shoppers per year visiting the 130 high-end stores.

“Legoland and the Premium Outlet will boost salaries. These are jobs locals are interested in rather than manual labour in plantations and factories,” Johor Baru MP Datuk Seri Shahrir Samad told The Malaysian Insider.

But concern from small businesses, other than those involved in property and construction, is that they will lose out from added competition.

Occupancy of shopping malls fell from 503,355 square metres in 2007 to 499,655 the next year, with 12 shopping complexes, including Sutera Mall opened in Taman Sutera Mall later that year, being planned to supply another 838,087 square metres of floor space.

“You know and I know and everyone knows nothing is happening in Iskandar. Now whatever happens, happens la,” said a top Iskandar official.

He added that although committed investment in the project, launched in 2006, has doubled to RM78 billion since 2008, “maybe just one-third is on the ground.”

Association chief Teh believes Iskandar may have in fact contributed to inflation, citing the hike in land prices to RM130 per square foot from RM30 in the new administrative centre Nusajaya since the development project first took off.
The RM1 billion Eastern Dispersal Link (EDL), a highway project under the Iskandar zone, is also set to hit pockets and businesses when Malaysian Resources Corporation Berhad (MRCB) starts charging all commuters using the Causeway in both directions early this year.

The Malaysian Insider reported that MRCB has proposed a RM9.10 toll in each direction for passenger vehicles using the EDL.

Shahrir had slammed the project owner for ignoring “the first and basic principle” of tolled roads by denying a free alternative route to commuters using the Causeway.

As Muar resident Ahmad Jimin told The Malaysian Insider before getting on his motorcycle, “the last Hari Raya, I could still buy new clothes. Next one? Who knows.”

here's the source
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/whos-buying-not-johor-folk

look at the comments given by the people there.. seems like malaysians themselves... and most are shunning jb and no faith in it.
typical kiasi sinkie in me comes back.. would it be better to go further up like malacca if one is looking at a weekend/retirement home?
 

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JB is condemned by most Malaysia folks all the while.. Be it people from KL or rich folks from East Malaysia.

However I spoke to one East Malaysia Timber tycoon before. He complained everything about Malaysia govt during the gathering. However when I asked him about Iskandar project, he paused and said Iskandar is different because the govt really have commited a lot in Iskandar.

IMHO, if you are keen to buy Malacca, you might as well buy KL. Both are equally far and you won't go there very often. If you can bear the pain during the transformation of Iskandar, you should see the fruit of your investment here. Even if everything screw up, you can still see and access your house in Iskandar easily.. Iskandar has strong growth potential - period.. It is far from being Singapore so we can't compare apple to apple.. However it offer lots of potential.

Maybe when you plan your budget for the house, you might want to budget a Malaysia car in it.. so that you can drive in peace. Get a cheap proton is fine.. Even if it is stolen, it is just a year of Singapore depreciation cost (if you add all the ERPs, Insurance, Roadtax, Petrol etc, it will just be a few months of costs)..







here's the source
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/whos-buying-not-johor-folk

look at the comments given by the people there.. seems like malaysians themselves... and most are shunning jb and no faith in it.
typical kiasi sinkie in me comes back.. would it be better to go further up like malacca if one is looking at a weekend/retirement home?
 
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they must try to bring the person down to their own level even though their time is better served trying to get up.

To all Living in JB friends here - "Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience."
 
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If cheap is the concern, one can also rent a ungated bunglow at less than 1K Rm.. Is not all about money..
Some folks who rent a house in HH, LF or EL are driving a Singapore Audi or BMW..

Why is it so, bro? Afterall renting at HH is not cheap.
 
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If cheap is the concern, one can also rent a ungated bunglow at less than 1K Rm.. Is not all about money..
Some folks who rent a house in HH, LF or EL are driving a Singapore Audi or BMW..

Sorry bro. I still dont get the cue.

I mean why would a sillyporean who drove BMW would want to rent over at HH,LF or EL and travel all the way to work in Spore each day?:confused:
 

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Oh dear. The grass cutter must have been the most hardworking in Malaysia. Took 3 whole days to cut the grass of just Gateway. I saw at least 7-10 of them during my CNY visit but however during normal days, they just cant be found. I wonder if its the management who purposely allow them to come during CNY ( once a year to cut grass ) or they collect the grass-cutting fees and choose to turn up as and when they like, our our rubbish collectors teams who come only once in 3-7 days.

I wonder if we can start paying just 1/3 of the maintainence fees instead of the full cost because they come once in 3 days?

lol, this is amusing...

very 现实。。
 

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Maybe one day you will understand, people living in JB is not all because they are poor or short of money..

Sorry bro. I still dont get the cue.

I mean why would a sillyporean who drove BMW would want to rent over at HH,LF or EL and travel all the way to work in Spore each day?:confused:
 

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Maybe one day you will understand, people living in JB is not all because they are poor or short of money..

Preciously! They are rich and driving BMW. But why rent at HH, LF or EL, and travel all the way to spore to work each day? Why go thru those hassle? Whats the reason? Just curious..
 

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It is a matter of appreciation of good things in life, some call it taste. Yes, there is some inconvenience, but one has a choice to minimise it. However, in an overcrowded island, one has to overpay a lot, likely enslaved to housing loan the whole life, to buy space. Yet once one steps out of the castle. back to CROWD.
=alleyboy;945674]Sorry bro. I still dont get the cue.

I mean why would a sillyporean who drove BMW would want to rent over at HH,LF or EL and travel all the way to work in Spore each day?:confused:[/QUOTE]
 

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It is a matter of appreciation of good things in life, some call it taste. Yes, there is some inconvenience, but one has a choice to minimise it. However, in an overcrowded island, one has to overpay a lot, likely enslaved to housing loan the whole life, to buy space. Yet once one steps out of the castle. back to CROWD.=alleyboy;945674]Sorry bro. I still dont get the cue.I mean why would a sillyporean who drove BMW would want to rent over at HH,LF or EL and travel all the way to work in Spore each day?:confused:

Nice one Bro Tansi.Bro Alleyboy, let me ask you, have you already bought a place in Nusajaya, or are you thinking of it.? Why would you want to do that? Everything in Singapore is conveniently situated, food court downstairs if you are not inclined to cook when you are hungry, MRT is close by or bus stop is within walking distance if you need to go someplace/work. As Bro Tansi puts succinctly, it's the SPACE they are paying for, and they don't have to pay thru' their nose and until Lau Ah Pek or Ah Hm to enjoy their "Castle". So is that the same reason you are thinking/buying in Nusajaya.........
 
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It is a matter of appreciation of good things in life, some call it taste. Yes, there is some inconvenience, but one has a choice to minimise it. However, in an overcrowded island, one has to overpay a lot, likely enslaved to housing loan the whole life, to buy space. Yet once one steps out of the castle. back to CROWD.
=alleyboy;945674]Sorry bro. I still dont get the cue.

I mean why would a sillyporean who drove BMW would want to rent over at HH,LF or EL and travel all the way to work in Spore each day?:confused:

In Spore, "rich" owners pay RM 5 million for a tiny semi-detached and our GCBs of 15000 sq feet is about RM 50 million on average.

In Leisure Farm or Ledang Heights, "rich" owners pay just RM 3 million to build a "GCB".. 10 plus times cheaper. What is travelling and getting jammed in customs? Nothing to them. These people have their own schedules and work probably 1-2 days in Spore every week. The rests of the week is spent on fishing, growing plants, dancing and singing K in the safety of their villas in Leisure Farms. :smile:

Ok. Think i get what u guys mean. Tks.

Nice one Bro Tansi.Bro Alleyboy, let me ask you, have you already bought a place in Nusajaya, or are you thinking of it.? Why would you want to do that? Everything in Singapore is conveniently situated, food court downstairs if you are not inclined to cook when you are hungry, MRT is close by or bus stop is within walking distance if you need to go someplace/work. As Bro Tansi puts succinctly, it's the SPACE they are paying for, and they don't have to pay thru' their nose and until Lau Ah Pek or Ah Hm to enjoy their "Castle". So is that the same reason you are thinking/buying in Nusajaya.........

Yes. I understand. Just that when u guys mentioned sporean driving BMW, must be rich. No problem buying a landed property in Sillypore.

As for me, I am not rich. Dont even own a 2nd car.

But like u say...sillypore really overcrowded! Need space t breath....and cost of living keep going only 1 direction..UP!:*:
 
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Alleyboy,

those who live or rent in HH are 'rich' but not the superrich. Super rich ones will be able to afford a bungalow like those in LF in Singapore and have properties all over the world where they can fly to easily for holidays or even a short weekend stay...don't think these are the ones who will live in JB :smile:
 

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If I may suggest a couple of perpectives:

1) Not everyone that drives BMW is rich.

2) Not everyone who rents a house in HH or LF or EL and travel all the way to Spore is silly.

In fact, there are many salaried man that I know are driving BMWs. If only that makes us rich and smart, I guess, you and I, can also be rich plus smart tomorrow.

As to your question on why would anyone in the right frame of mind would want to go through all the hassles?? I am sure some of the Bros already offered you some possible answers and the answers are aplenty. Better use of funds, better quality of life, cheaper cost of living, etc.... really depending on what you value most in life in exchange for some thing else.

If you read some of the precious thread, you will find some of the Bros here did discussed how you could earn money while stay for free in JB. For example, you could be renting out your apartment unit in Spore and gettting a cheaper rent for a house in Iskandar. If your rental collection is higher than you are paying in Iskandar, you are practically "earning money while you live". Yes, you have to put up with the hassle of traveling. Dont we put up with the hassle of going to work everyday plus all the Bulls@*& too....

Hope you see the point.....


Preciously! They are rich and driving BMW. But why rent at HH, LF or EL, and travel all the way to spore to work each day? Why go thru those hassle? Whats the reason? Just curious..
 

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If I may suggest a couple of perpectives:
1) Not everyone that drives BMW is rich.

Lol, was about to point that out.

Just to add on to the point that moving there is a choice based on more factors (especially the space factor) than simply whether one is rich enough to not have to go there to buy a GCB-equivalent, on my way in yesterday morning, there was a convoy of Singapore-registered Ferraris just waiting after the Tuas toll-gate, presumably for more friends (like myself maybe!) to show up before going to wherever the hell it is people with Ferraris go to in Johor.

Can they drive a Ferrari in Singapore? Of course they can, but going to Johor offers more opportunities and options.
 

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For example, you could be renting out your apartment unit in Spore and gettting a cheaper rent for a house in Iskandar. If your rental collection is higher than you are paying in Iskandar, you are practically "earning money while you live". Yes, you have to put up with the hassle of traveling. Dont we put up with the hassle of going to work everyday plus all the Bulls@*& too....

Hope you see the point.....

Yup! Tats what my friend did. Dont know whether shes fortunate or not cos shes single till now. So not much committment. She rented her 4-room flat to msian workers. Bought a unit "emerald" at Bt Indah. Like u say, she juz collect "rent" from her Msian tenants and still got 1/2 of the rent after paying the instalment of her Int unit at Bt Indah.
 
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