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if we were to re-open the CLOB SAGA, roughly we would realise how LEHMAN DRAMA would eventually be resolved. just like CLOB investors were being badly and severely CLOBBED with no positive or fair resolution to singapore investors, those who are involved with LEHMAN might face the same consequences. read the following extract to rekindle how hopelessly lost and useless was our gabramen then.:oIo:

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extract from the MAS:

ANSWER TO PARLIAMENTARY QUESTION ON:
DPM Lee's Reply to Parliamentary Question on CLOB

For Parliament Sitting on 12 Oct 98


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Question:
To ask the Deputy Prime Minister, in the light of recent changes imposed by Malaysia on the currency and stock market rules, what steps are being taken by the Monetary Authority of Singapore and the Stock Exchange of Singapore Ltd to provide a better sense of direction and assistance to the public so that they will be adequately prepared.

To ask the Deputy Prime Minister whether Government will consider taking steps to see that the investors' interest in the Central Limit Order Book System is protected.

To ask the Deputy Prime Minister what are the effects on the financial sector and the Singapore economy of the closure of Clob International.

To ask the Deputy Prime Minister (a) how many investors suffered losses from trading in Clob due to the financial control measures announced by Malaysia recently and what is the estimated losses of the investors; and (b) to what extent will the closure of Clob affect the revenue of the securities industry and Singapore as a financial investment hub.

Answer:
1 The recent closure of trading of Malaysian shares on Clob, after Malaysia imposed capital controls and new rules on the clearing and settlement of Malaysian shares, has highlighted the risks of investing in shares. There is a price risk inherent in any share. But in addition, shares listed on overseas exchanges are subject to regulatory risk arising from changes in rules by the overseas exchange.

2 The government cannot protect investors from such risks. Investors have to keep their eyes open and judge for themselves whether the returns are adequate to justify the risks.

3 The Malaysian government's opposition to trading of Malaysian shares on Clob is long standing, and has always been reported in the press. When the SES established Clob in Jan 1990, after Malaysia unilaterally delisted all Malaysian shares from the SES, the KLSE objected strongly. It declared publicly that Clob was an unrecognised market, and warned investors of the dangers in trading Malaysian shares on Clob.

4 As recently as Aug 98, the National Economic Action Council of Malaysia called for the closure of Clob. The SES responded that Clob would remain viable only so long as there is demand from investors for its services. This exchange was widely reported in the press, and put investors on notice of Malaysia's intentions.

5 The SES has issued a statement explaining why it did not stop trading of Malaysian shares on Clob earlier, for example immediately after the KLSE announced its new rules on 31 Aug 98, or even before that. It apologised for not reassuring investors earlier than 7 Sep 98 that the Malaysian actions had not made their shares worthless. However, this omission did not make a material difference to Malaysian share prices on Clob.

6 Even after the SES had given repeated assurances to investors that their shares were not worthless, shares on Clob continued to trade at a deep discount 1 to prices on the KLSE. Once the Malaysian measures were announced, nothing the SES did could prevent a decline of share prices on Clob. Many investors evidently preferred to sell their shares on Clob and receive the proceeds in S$, rather than wait to dispose of their shares on KLSE and retain their proceeds in Ringgit accounts in Malaysia for one year, as required under the new Malaysian rules.

7 As at 31 Aug 98, 197,000 investors held Malaysian shares on Clob. 90% were Singaporean investors. Many Clob investors sold their shares after the Malaysian measures were announced, including 24,000 who sold all their Malaysian shares. They would have made losses. But for every seller there was a buyer, hoping to make a gain by buying the shares and subsequently selling them on the KLSE. Most such investors, be they buyers or sellers, were Singaporean.

8 The closure of trading of Malaysian shares on Clob is a loss to Singa-pore's financial sector, but the loss is not significant relative to the size of the financial sector. In 1997, the stock market accounted for 10% of the financial sector's value added, or 1.1% of overall GDP 2. Clob represented about 24% of the SES' turnover at that stage. But more recently from Jun 98 to Aug 98, Clob's share had declined to only 3-8% of the total turnover in the stock market. Moreover, since the closure of Clob trading of Malaysian shares, some retail investors have channelled their interest into Singapore shares3.

9 Over the years, the SES has taken steps to develop the market for local and foreign shares. Clob is not a market solely for trading Malaysian shares, although because of historical reasons and investors familiarity, the bulk of the trade on Clob has been in Malaysian shares. The SES will continue its developmental efforts to provide investors with a broad range of options for trading of Asian shares.

10 Singapore's financial sector provides a wide range of services and products, and serves a large pool of investors, borrowers and financial intermediaries. The regional crisis has shrunk the volume of financial activity, but the sector has remained resilient. Some financial activities have continued to grow despite the slowdown. A recent Bank for Inter-national Settlements survey found that daily turnover in the Singapore foreign exchange market has increased by 32% since 1995, whereas turnover in the other major Asian financial centres declined. SIMEX is also experiencing a record year in trading futures contracts. Investors increasingly appreciate our AAA country risk rating, and the transparent, predictable and open business environ-ment that Singa-pore offers. We are therefore confident that despite difficulties and occasional setbacks, Singa-pore is strengthening its position as a financial hub in the region.

LOTS OF TALKING AND EMPTY PROMISES WERE WHAT MANY CLOBBED VICTIMS GOT.:oIo:
 

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it was a booby financial trap from the very start. who were the culprits? there was no accountability over this saga. the matter was abruptly brought to a closure and victims of CLOB were left bewildered and "lost in space".:oIo:

not long ago, some brokerage houses were trying to rekindle it by enticing free seminars with eat-all-u-can buffets. well, many attended not for the talk but for the free buffets! :rolleyes:
 

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ANSWER TO PARLIAMENTARY QUESTION ON:
Update on Clob

For Parliament Sitting on 03 Aug 1999


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Question:
To ask the Deputy Prime Minister if he will give an update on the status of the Clob issue, and what are the possible solutions being considered to resolve the matter.

Answer:
1. I last updated Parliament on the Clob issue in May. Since then, Mr Akbar Khan's cash offer has closed with 359 investors out of more than 172,000 accepting. Three more private sector offers have been announced, but none have obtained regulatory approvals and been formally made. Akbar Khan's Straits Fund Sdn Bhd is offering units in a closed-end investment fund in exchange for Clob investors' securities. It is not yet known at what price the Clob securities will be valued or how Clob investors are to trade these units. Tungku Abdullah's Bintang Melewar Sdn Bhd is offering Clob investors 3 options, including units in a closed-end investment fund, fund management services for larger investors, and custodial services for non-accepting investors. The third private sector offer is for Clob investors to swap their securities for an equal proportion of shares in Telekom Malaysia and United Engineers of Malaysia (or "UEM"). The two companies have said that they will purchase the Clob securities at a discount to market prices, and sell shares in Telekom Malaysia and UEM at a premium to market prices.

2. Any offeror intending to offer Clob investors shares or units in investment funds for their Clob Malaysian securities will need to issue a full prospectus in Singapore. This prospectus must be approved and registered with the Registry of Companies and Businesses ("RCB"). RCB verifies that the prospectuses comply with the disclosure requirements set out in Singapore's Companies Act, and will register the documents if it is in the public interest to do so. In evaluating the public interest, the Registrar will take into account all relevant factors and considerations. The Securities Investors' Association of Singapore ("SIAS") has urged the Registrar not to register prospectuses of offers until a comprehensive solution is in place for all Clob investors. The Registrar has stated that it will take into account the views of the SIAS, which is the only body representing investors, together with other information and views that it may receive regarding the offers.

3. The SES has stated that it will not stand in the way of private sector offers. However, there should be clear and reasonable arrangements for non-accepting investors to trade their shares on the KLSE. When the offers are formally made, investors should study the terms of each offer carefully before making a decision. The agreement between CDP and SCANS contains arrangements for Clob investors to transfer their securities to individual account with the Malaysian Central Depository, and thereafter trade these securities on the KLSE. SCANS continues to be in breach of this agreement, but investors should not feel pressured into accepting any offers if they are not satisfied with the offerors' terms.

4. The SES is continuing to explore all means of resolving the problem. It has been taking advice from lawyers on the legal position. The SIAS has also announced that it too is consulting lawyers, as the legal position of the Clob investors is different from that of the SES.

5. Meanwhile the SES has submitted a proposal of its own to the KLSE, suggesting a staggered release of the Clob securities over 12 months, without prejudice to its rights under the CDP-SCANS Agreement. The proposed mechanism will result in a daily release of Clob securities with the value of a mere 0.015% of KLSE's total market capitalisation. This effect on KLSE stock prices should be negligible. This is a fair solution which directly addresses Malaysian concerns that any solution to the Clob issue must not disrupt the KL market, and enables Clob investors to exercise their rights under Malaysian law to trade their securities. The two exchanges are currently in communication on the proposal. The SES will inform Clob investors as and when progress is made.

[I]just look at how long period that CLOB SAGA was dragged. verdict: all who investors ended up losing their pants! the matter wasn't resolved. many ended up having to pay for unnecessary "transfer fees" to a "3rd dubious party". after that, the whole saga dragged on with ALL TRADINGS for sgp investors suspended for about 3 yrs. by then, many CLOB m'sian shares they were holding was quite close to worthless.

some counters changed their company's name. some restructured their shares from 5 to 1 and further from 3 to 1, meaning if u were holding 5 lots, it became one and a further shrinkage would be from 3 shares to 1, i.e, eventually your 5 lots of shares became like 300 shares only. from S$ bought, it was now in ringgits cents. if u were to sell it, u got NOTHING as the amount converted to S$ wasn't enough to pay for the brokerage.

those who stubbornly cling onto their quite worthless msian shares now even have to bear a monthly $2 "custodian charges" ( or $2.14 with gst) per month.

the parasitising has never halted up till today. we sure have SES to be thankful for how helpless they were!
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enticing free seminars with eat-all-u-can buffets. well, many attended not for the talk but for the free buffets!

bapok fake monk PAP dog

you went out eat with 'frenz'

you eat 4 to 5 times what others eat

you didn't contribute a cent to the tab

you complain the food is like fuck!

you are a moron!!!
 

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ANSWER TO PARLIAMENTARY QUESTION ON:
CLOB

For Parliamentary Sitting on 23 Nov 1999


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Question:
To ask the Deputy Prime Minister if he will (a) update the House on the latest position on the Central Limit Order Book (CLOB) saga and whether there is a solution in sight; and (b) clarify the role of the Securities Investors Association (Singapore) and whether the Association is in a position to handle the issue satisfactorily.

Answer:
1. I last updated Parliament on the Clob issue in August. The Stock Exchange of Singapore ("SES") had submitted a proposal to the Kuala Lumpur Stock Exchange ("KLSE") on 5 July of this year, suggesting a staggered release of Clob securities over 12 months. The proposal was without prejudice to SES' rights under the CDP-SCANS agreement.

2. KLSE subsequently sought clarification on SES' proposal. In particular it asked for assurance that the staggered crediting of Clob shares would not be detrimental to the Malaysian stock market. KLSE wrote to SES twice, on 15 July and 5 August. SES responded with relevant data and calculations demonstrating that the resulting impact should be minimal. SES replied to KLSE's first letter on 23 July, and KLSE's latest queries were addressed by 3 September. There has been no further response from the KLSE since. SES sent a reminder to KLSE on 15 Nov 1999.

3. We believe that SES' proposal is reasonable and addresses Malaysia's concern of volatility on the KLSE if Clob shares were to be released all at once. The Securities Investors Association of Singapore ("SIAS") has also indicated its support for the proposal.

Malaysian Private Sector Offers
4. Members would have read in the papers about several private sector offers. The offerors have been in contact with the SES, and also with the Registrar of Companies and Businesses ("RCB"). The Central Depository ("CDP") as bare trustee will carry out its obligation to inform Clob investors of these offers when requisite regulatory approvals are obtained. RCB will register prospectuses that are submitted if they comply with the Companies Act's requirements.

5. RCB has stated that it will take all factors into account, including the views of SIAS, into account when deciding whether it is in the public interest to register the offer documents. Some of the private offerors have been in communication with SIAS. But so far none of the proposals have reached fruition.

SIAS
6. The SIAS has played a useful and independent role, representing the interests of Clob investors. That interested and public spirited Singaporeans have come forward to volunteer their services to tackle this problem is very heartening, and bodes well for the development of civil society in Singapore.

7. The SIAS has recently formed a financial advisory group comprising experienced practitioners in the securities industry, which will help SIAS to evaluate private sector offers independently and objectively, before making its recommendations to Clob investors.

Conclusion
8. Recent articles in the Malaysian press have suggested that resolution of the Clob issue would be a priority for Malaysia after the general elections. Singapore hopes this will be the case, as it is in the interest of all parties to resolve the issue fairly and expeditiously.

there was no FAIR resolution. everyone who invested in CLOB ended up grievously disadvantaged and maltreated. THEY WERE CLOBBED![/B]
 

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THEY WERE CLOBBED!

LOL again your shitty behavior kena exposed!

""""""bapok fake monk PAP dog

you went out eat with 'frenz'

you eat 4 to 5 times what others eat

you didn't contribute a cent to the tab

you complain the food is like fuck!

you are a moron!!!"""""
 

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2000, the CLOB SAGA still dragged on with no light from the long end of the tunnel....

ANSWER TO PARLIAMENTARY QUESTION ON:
CLOB

For Parliamentary Sitting on 17 Jan 2000


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Questions:
Q1. To ask the Deputy Prime Minister what are the latest developments on the Central Limit Order Book (CLOB) issue with Malaysia, and whether there are any mutually acceptable and workable solutions being considered.

Q2. To ask the Deputy Prime Minister whether the Government should consider legal recourse at this juncture in view of the continued deadlock in settling the Central Limit Order Book (CLOB) issue with the Malaysian authorities.

Q3. To ask the Deputy Prime Minister whether the Government intends to adopt a pro-active approach in expediting a settlement of the deadlock on the frozen Central Limit Order Book (CLOB) shares prior to the ultimate deadline of 30 June 2000.

Answer:


Introduction
1. I last updated Parliament on the Clob issue in November. I informed Parliament then that the Stock Exchange of Singapore (now the Singapore Exchange, "SGX") had written to the Kuala Lumpur Stock Exchange ("KLSE") on 15 Nov 99. The letter reminded KLSE that SGX had yet to receive a reply to its proposal1 for a staggered release of Clob securities. SGX sent KLSE another reminder on 7 Dec 99 to ask for a response within one month. SGX has not received any reply.

2. SGX's lawyers had circulated a legal summary to all Clob investors on 17 Dec 99. The summary apprised investors of their legal rights as owners of the Clob securities.


Authorised Nominee Status
3. In late December, Malaysian Prime Minister Dr Mahathir and Finance Minister Mr Daim Zainuddin said that the Clob securities might be transferred to the Malaysian Finance Minister when the Central Depository's ("CDP") authorised nominee account expired at the end of 1999. They commented that Clob investors should accept some of the private sector offers promptly to resolve the matter. On 31 Dec 99, KLSE announced the extension of CDP's authorised nominee status for a "final period of 6 months to end on 30 Jun 2000".

4. MAS responded with a press statement on 29 Dec 99. It cited the unanimous view of legal counsel, including Queen's counsel, that SGX [CDP] has acted in accordance with the law; and that there is no basis in law for a transfer of the Clob securities to the Malaysian Minister for Finance either on 31 Dec, or at any other time. Whether KLSE extended CDP's authorised nominee status was not relevant, because CDP's and Clob investors' legal rights under the CDP-SCANS agreement and Malaysian law did not depend on the nominee status.

5. Clob investors are asking for their securities to be migrated into individual securities accounts, in keeping with Malaysia's obligations under the WTO, KLSE's public duties under Malaysian law, and KLSE's contractual obligations under the agreement between CDP and SCANS. Private sector offers cannot resolve the Clob issue. They do not supersede obligations that are binding in law, nor can they absolve the relevant parties from their legal responsibilities.


Malaysia's WTO Obligations
6. The Singapore Government has been advised by WTO legal specialists that the measures taken by Malaysia against Clob are inconsistent with the most-favoured-nation ("MFN") provision of the WTO General Agreement on Trade in Services ("GATS"), because they discriminate against Clob vis-a-vis other foreign exchanges. The failure to migrate the Clob shares is inconsistent with Malaysia's obligations under the MFN provision of GATS, and its specific commitments to provide national treatment to foreign providers of financial services, recognised by the WTO. This is an issue that, if brought to the WTO for its review, would have to be resolved government-to-government.


KLSE's Legal Obligations Under Malaysian Law
7. The Malaysian Securities Industry (Central Depositories) Act ("SICDA") amendments of Sep 98 provide for the transfer of Clob securities in the securities account of CDP into the accounts of individual Clob investors held with MCD. This requirement under Malaysian law to migrate the securities into individual accounts is a statutory duty. It is not a discretionary exercise.


The CDP-SCANS Agreement
8. In an effort to resolve the situation, CDP has also entered into an agreement with the Securities Clearing Automated Network Services ("SCANS"), a subsidiary of KLSE, to migrate Clob securities into individual accounts held at MCD. This is a key agreement whose significance the Malaysian authorities have played down. KLSE stated in May 99 that the agreement "was entered into to assist SES/CDP in facilitating the resolution of the Clob problem." More recently in its 31 Dec 99 statement, KLSE made no mention of the agreement, but continued to maintain that "it is the duty and responsibility of SGX and CDP to resolve the [Clob] problem".

9. The settlement of the Clob issue is a matter of public interest. Furthermore, the failure of KLSE to migrate the Clob shares in accordance with this agreement has implications under WTO law. I am therefore providing members with copies of the actual legal document.

10. Members will observe that this is a formal legal agreement concluded between the two parties. Mr Lim Choo Peng, President SES [SGX] had met with Dato' Mohd Azlan Hashim, Executive Chairman of KLSE on 8 Sep 98 to discuss how to effect the migration of accounts on Clob to the MCD. Arising from their meeting, the two sides formed a working group comprising senior executives of the KLSE and SES to work out detailed procedures for migration. The outcome was this CDP-SCANS agreement.

11. The agreement is dated 18 Sep 98. It was signed by YM Ungku A Razak, general manager of SCANS who was duly authorised for and on behalf of SCANS, and by Kok Kar Wing, executive vice-president, SES [SGX] duly authorised for and on behalf of CDP; in the presence of witnesses. CDP's Singapore and Malaysian Counsel as well as QC have advised that this agreement is a legally binding contract and is specifically enforceable in Malaysian courts.

12. The agreement lists clearly the steps by which Clob securities are to be transferred into individual accounts with the MCD for trading on the KLSE.

13. Clause 2 of the agreement defines the obligations of the CDP. Clause 2(a) reads:


"CDP shall unconditionally and irrevocably grant SCANS the power and authority to act as follows:
 

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to accept all securities to be transferred from CDP and to be deposited into a securities account to be established by SCANS on behalf of CDP;

to hold the said securities in custody and thereafter transfer the securities to the respective Depositors' interim securities accounts to be established and maintained by SCANS;

upon request of the Depositors through their Authorised Depository Agents and/or Authorised Depository Members2, to transfer the said securities from the respective Depositors' interim securities accounts maintained by SCANS to the respective Depositors' securities accounts established or to be established by the ADAs and/or ADMs.
14. Clause 3 of the agreement defines the obligations of SCANS. Clauses 3(a)-(c) read:


SCANS shall provide the services pursuant to Clauses 2(a)(i) and (ii) only when SCANS has verified and is satisfied with the information furnished by CDP under Clause 2(b).

SCANS shall provide the services pursuant to Clause 2(a)(iii) above only upon request of the Depositors through the ADAs and/or ADMs.

SCANS' responsibilities herein are merely in the capacity of a custodian to provide the services pursuant to Clause 2(a) above, without any obligation and/or liabilities howsoever derived or arrived.
15. In Dec 98, KLSE stated in a letter to SES and CDP that SCANS' role is merely as custodian and shall be without any obligations and/or liabilities, citing Clause 3(c). SES [SGX] responded stating that it had been advised by its lawyers that the clause does not excuse SCANS from performing any and all obligations assumed by SCANS as custodian under or in connection with the Agreement. At the same time, CDP also wrote to SCANS to emphasise that the agreement was a legally binding contract, and CDP having performed all its obligations was entitled to enforce the performance by SCANS of its obligations under the agreement. There was no rejoinder from either KLSE or SCANS.

16. CDP has fulfilled its part of the agreement. It has provided SCANS with all information required under the agreement and the Clob securities have been transferred into a consolidated account held with the MCD. MCD informed CDP on 20 Oct 98 that individual interim accounts had been opened in the names of the persons appearing on the list furnished by CDP. But SCANS has failed to complete its obligations and continues not to perform its contractual duties. CDP has since repeatedly requested SCANS to provide the interim securities account numbers. SCANS has not done so to-date.


Singapore Government's Intentions
17. As the KLSE has not replied to SGX's letter to it asking for a response within one month of 7 Dec 99, the Minister for Finance, Dr Richard Hu, has written to his Malaysian counterpart Tun Daim Zainuddin on 13 Jan 2000. Dr Hu's letter set out the Singapore Government's understanding of the legal issues involved, and requested Tun Daim to ask the KLSE to fulfil its legal obligations under the CDP-SCANS agreement. Dr Hu is now awaiting the Malaysian Finance Minister's reply.


Conclusion
18. The Clob issue must be settled in accordance with the law, and with the rights and obligations of Clob investors and the Malaysian authorities. An early resolution is in the profound interest of both countries. The SGX and Singa-pore Govern-ment continue to be anxious to resolve the matter bilaterally with Malaysia, and will make every effort to do so. It is therefore premature to speculate on what further steps may be necessary should a bilateral solution not prove possible.

very loud farting words - all stinks and no fair solution in sight.:oIo:
 

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You seem very angry over the Clob issue, did you personally lose $$$?

Btw Clob and Lehman Minibonds one apparent big difference. Clob retail investors appeared to have no party to sue to seek legal redress and remedies, whereas in the Lehman case at least the retail investors have the option and right to sue the issuers/distributors of these structured financial products. Now whether they succeeed or not is of course something else altogether.

if we were to re-open the CLOB SAGA, roughly we would realise how LEHMAN DRAMA would eventually be resolved. just like CLOB investors were being badly and severely CLOBBED with no positive or fair resolution to singapore investors, those who are involved with LEHMAN might face the same consequences. read the following extract to rekindle how hopelessly lost and useless was our gabramen then.:oIo:
 

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lau goh and pinky were then bragging proudly that clob investors would get a fair redress and their leegal entitled ownership to the CLOB shares. in the end, it was just loud farting that left a trail of stinking stench!

this saga was a real embarrassment to the nation being CLOBBED badly by madhatter of matlands. they were just helpless and hapless to do anything that really helped.:oIo:

now it's deja vu. here comes LEHMAN!
 

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Like I said before Clob no one to seek legal redress whereas Lehman there is someone that you can at least try and seek legal redress.

Oh and from your deafening silence, it would appear that you probably lost $$$ in Clob, so sorry but I guess that is how the cookie crumbles, no point crying over spilt milk lick your wounds and be wiser for it.:wink:

lau goh and pinky were then bragging proudly that clob investors would get a fair redress and their leegal entitled ownership to the CLOB shares. in the end, it was just loud farting that left a trail of stinking stench!

this saga was a real embarrassment to the nation being CLOBBED badly by madhatter of matlands. they were just helpless and hapless to do anything that really helped.:oIo:

now it's deja vu. here comes LEHMAN!
 

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i can even recite what they are going to say when the saga couldn't be fairly resolved to the advantage of investors.

"WHATEVER INVESTMENTS U CARRIED OUT, THERE IS A CERTAIN RISK WHICH U MUST BEAR'.

Iin simple straightfoward spite: u invest, u die, your business! by the way, why aren't they explaining CPF-TRUSTEE STOCKS which lau goh once encouraged many to use their cpf to invest? those were APPROVED stocks.
 

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Like I said before Clob no one to seek legal redress whereas Lehman there is someone that you can at least try and seek legal redress.

Oh and from your deafening silence, it would appear that you probably lost $$$ in Clob, so sorry but I guess that is how the cookie crumbles, no point crying over spilt milk lick your wounds and be wiser for it.:wink:

the crux of matter here is: the gabramen would talk alot, explain with bombastic terms, appear like sincerely trying to help....but in the end, it's only wayang!
 
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