Imho, in the case of LHL vs TRE, the case for the defence is rather weak. Probably too for his bro.But in Shan's case, a loose cannon/martyr like CSJ can make the case explode in their faces. After all, he has nothing to lose. It's all or nothing. But I guess his target has always been Old Man.
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Lawsuits - Do they work?
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what really r lawsuits for? it is for somebody to seek redress in courts in a civilised manner. these days, lawsuits r also being abused & become money making machine. lawsuit is not exclusively a rich man's game.
elsewhere outside of this stinking well, activists/ societies/ associations/ organizations/ unions, file lawsuits against employers/ policy makers/ industries etc for the inhumane practices or double standards.
if sinkies can band together do some real research into the facts of what wrong a certain aforesaid character or family has taken advantage of their positions, indulged in conflicting interests, or mulpractice.... can compile the findings as evidences to be submitted in court.... can also sue them till they tngkor.
elsewhere outside of this stinking well, activists/ societies/ associations/ organizations/ unions, file lawsuits against employers/ policy makers/ industries etc for the inhumane practices or double standards.
if sinkies can band together do some real research into the facts of what wrong a certain aforesaid character or family has taken advantage of their positions, indulged in conflicting interests, or mulpractice.... can compile the findings as evidences to be submitted in court.... can also sue them till they tngkor.
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Defamation suit not only in Singapore is, by the system, a rich man's game. One must have reputation considered socially reputable enough in order to be defamable. If one really feels so, go see a lawyer. The first thing the lawyer asks will be to place thousands of dollars retainer deposit, tens of thousands if the one being sued is someone rich and powerful. So if one's not rich enough to service the retainer and final fees, how to launch and win a suit?
Then, let's say, you're rich enough but your target defendant who foulmouthed you is a penniless sod. Sue him for what? You can win and have him officially bankrupted but since he's already penniless, it makes no difference to him. You won't get a penny in return but only hefty legal bills. That was what CSJ did to LKY. All LKY did was to give CSJ the chance to interrogate and even abuse him in open court. It didn't matter losing the case or how much awarded. CSJ came ready without any money to pay up. LKY couldn't get a penny after going through all that.
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There are 3 reasons why LKY was willing to sue CSJ even though he got nothing financially. The first is the political advantage of killing one monkey to scare 100 chickens, and the actual target was not CSJ but a hundred other opposition political figures who may be tempted to follow his footsteps. The second is his personal ego and vindictiveness. The third is his desire for the dramatic which he feels he must display from time to time in order to cement his standing within PAP internally.
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4th reason would be news coverage. If LKY looked good then reports will make the headlines.....if CSJ looked good then no reports whatsoever.
btw the state foot the legal bills or LKY foot himself?
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Good analysis. It was gangster versus gangster, and even knowing it'd be costing some money, LKY must prove that's he's top gangster godfather.
In a civil suit, the plaintiff (in this case LKY) is liable for legal fees as well as court fees (yes, there're court fees, government doesn't provide free civil judiciary services). The winner of the suit can claim legal fees and court fees from the loser. However, if the loser is penniless, the winner still has to pay up.
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The losing party has to foot LKY's legal bills.
Singapore must be the only country in the world where there is so much rancour and acrimony developed between the citizens and their leaders ( and cronies) that citizens throw barbs at them and they in turn use the lawsuit to threaten and silence them. Those in power here should be asking what is the root cause for this. Is all this bottled up pent up anger within the chests of the people healthy? Instead of issuing lawyers' letters, which will most probably drive the seething anger and dissatisfaction further into the sub-conscious, leaders ought to be doing a soul-searching and ask themselves whatever has gone wrong. Instead, I sense that leaders sensitive to critics in the social media are getting frustrated and vindictive in getting back at these voices. Thus, netizens who believe rightly or wrongly - in retrospect, wrongly - that they had no need to fear when they exposed their identities now regretted doing so; and those about to believe in the faith of men will have to think again. Is the root cause due to all these years of oppressive political climate, a sycophant press and MSM, caused by the dominance of one party rule? How do we get from here to the future, where we can see more openness, plurality and diversity in the political environment, transparency and accountability? How do we do this without just waiting for every 4 years to vote for alternative choices?The world must regard this ongoing running war of words between the rulers and the ruled to be a comic-tragedy. Are the rulers too thin-skinned and sensitive and heavy with the stick or are the ruled simply a bunch of irresponsible madmen, perceived to be out to destroy the leaders' iron armour?
These lawsuits work in a way of bankrupting people like in the case of the late JBJ.
They work in the way of driving these talks underground and foster an environment where rumors flourish.
This is not healthy for a society.
Maintain a free flow of information and all rumors will disappear overnight
Just like you air all the linen and laundry under the Sun and all the bugs will be gone.
Those people will never realize and understand this.
They feel they're Gods, they're untouchable and unassailable.
They have the right to bad-mouth you, but you have no right to have a frank view of them.
They value themselves way way too high, so high that their salaries are at record-breaking level even despite the recent cosmetic cuts.
With these type of people holding power, Singapore will remain a 2nd or 3rd rate type of country.
They work in the way of driving these talks underground and foster an environment where rumors flourish.
This is not healthy for a society.
Maintain a free flow of information and all rumors will disappear overnight
Just like you air all the linen and laundry under the Sun and all the bugs will be gone.
Those people will never realize and understand this.
They feel they're Gods, they're untouchable and unassailable.
They have the right to bad-mouth you, but you have no right to have a frank view of them.
They value themselves way way too high, so high that their salaries are at record-breaking level even despite the recent cosmetic cuts.
With these type of people holding power, Singapore will remain a 2nd or 3rd rate type of country.
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Dun anyhow say........60.1% still love and worship their government...its the rest of the 39.9% who are the troublemakers who kpkb.
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Indeed it is a sad state of affairs of what you have so said. From an impartial standpoint this leadership has already shown that they are not serious in what they are advocating. Remember PM declared in Parliament during the debate on that controversial minister salary said that any public servant which include minister themselves will be properly dealt with when incompetency in his duty is discovered. What has he done to that Minister who was responsible for the YOG when at the end of the day the allocated budget was overshot by 300% or so when even our children volunteers do not seem to have benefited it in any way from it when it's a fact that the food package issued to our kids has been said was of quality that one do not want to feed one's pet with it. Clearly a commission of inquiry is necessary to determine that under budgetting which if it is in a commercial world where they like to bench mark their entitlement that minister would have got the boots with no explanation from him is necessary. In this case our government just keep quiet and swept everything under the carpet with the hope that time will whitewash that incompetency. Where is the accountability of why so much tax monies has to be expanded without have to explain for it. Like that how to respect them. Now this minister has been elevated to be the Minister of Environment. I wonder whether we can trust him on any budget that he proposed for environment well being and/or improvement. A couple of million may well at ther end of the day be billions since accountability is not a necessity.
The lastest budget it was announced that our tax monies will be expanded to acquire for the Bus Operator at least two-third of their additional bus requirement. This clearly goes against the principle that it is not proper for the State to shore up the capital need of a commercial institutions where their shares are quoted publicly. We cannot forget that former MM Lee Kuan Yew has made it clear to the people that the government will not come in to salvage SIA should they run into problem and goes belly up. Now here we have the present government declaring that they will be purchasing buses for our public transport companies. What is more rediculous is that all these transport companies are making huge profits every year and here they need taxpayers' monies to acquire buses for them. If this is being carried out the people cannot rule out that in future our government will not step in and foot the bill for acquiring aircrafts for SIA, Silkair, Tiger Air, Scoot, Container Ships for NOL and what say you and train for SMRT. This clearly is not very clever on the part of the government and the people get very confuse and worried in the way they spend our tax monies. Clearly if they do not have monies to carry out what they have declared they will proceed to milk it from the people in all form. How not to be worried.
I recall Finance Minister once says the GST must be imposed on all goods and services no matter how necessary those goods and services are in order to be fair and equitable to all. Now they have declare that trading in gold is exempted from GST. Good gracious for that turn around. The rich who can play or pun in gold is exempted whilst the poor who needs food on his table has pay GST for item to keep them alive. This is the most absurd things that they have done. I have deep reservation whether this government really have the interest of the average citizens in heart. The alineation between the government and the citizens is getting wider and wider for the citizens have lost hope in them being caring, fair and equitable to the citizens.
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60.1% feels there is no need to worry.....that is why they voted for zero accountability.
it is not the government's fault....blame the 60.1%.
it is not the government's fault....blame the 60.1%.
Don't forget to mention oso that the damages won thus far (if manage to collect) has always been donated to charity....
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Two of the best organized escapes. Francis Seow in 1988 had maxed out all his life insurance loans, bank overdrafts with his girlfriend and leaving his estranged wife first legal claim to his house in divorce. His girlfriend was a Maybank manager and FS himself was a lawyer who knew how to arrange all that, and transferred all cash abroad. There was nothing LKY could do to extract a single cent from him. Tang Liang Hong in 1996 remortgaged his paid-up house for some S$3 million or so. Ironically, the bank was OCBC and Tony Tan was the chief then and approved it, without realizing that TLH was preparing to stand for election and contingency to go on the run. When TLH was sued and ran, LKY wasn't able to place escrow on the house as OCBC as mortgage lender had first legal claim. Instead, he ended up looking like a tyrannous monster trying to throw defenseless and penniless Mrs. TLH and daughter onto the streets after forcing the exile of their husband and father.
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hahaha...this is typical caseof the well is the world......
besides other examples....go and read what putin did to his "billionaire" critics......
Of course, I am referring to first worlds where govts are voted in by popular elections every 4 years.
If you say the PAP is like the Russian mafia, then I have to face palm.
If you say the PAP is like the Russian mafia, then I have to face palm.
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hahaha....don't try to dig out of a hole.
since when u (kingrant) started to treat papee as first world gahmen???...old fart/papee has invariably been termed bullies, gangsters, crooks, etc etc.....equivalent of mafia????
also in this case wp has to change their vision "Towards a first world parleement" becos they are behind time already.....
now for kukubird to learn something from u......pse tell me which are the countries u consider as first world countries???
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