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[uncleyap]

So a Malaysian government made up of opposition coalition will move faster than Spore? How do you deduce that?
E.g Kelantan under PAS remained one of the most underdeveloped Msian states under PAS ruling. How does the opposition improve the life of the people there?

In many ways and angles one can view that.

Just only via the simple angle of BURDEN alone, Mr. Anwar's new government will be free of UMNO / BN's burdens, which had accumulated for about 50 years. Without these heavy burdens the new government will have speed.

famiLEE LEEgime have nearly the same 50 years length as BN / UMNO.

And LKy's burden is heavier than BN / UMNO's, why? In just the ministerial salaries alone it is already so much heavier then BN regime's

Essentially famiLEE LEEgime's extra burdens in comparison against BN is their falsehoods.

BN don't share famiLEE LEEgime's falsehoods such as:

• First World
• World's Cleanest Government
• Miracle success
• Huge wealth & reserve
• World Class Govt
• World Class Termasek
• World Class ISD mata
• World Class SAF

BN don't not share famiLEE LEEgime corruptions such as:

• Power succession within famiLEE
• Recycled PM to SM to MM
• BN's judiciary more opened than LEEgime's
• BN don't have a CUNT
• BN media not as low rating as 154th

Even with BN in so much lesser burden than famiLEE LEEgime, they have lost power so badly. famiLEE LEEgime is only much much more hopeless to sustain.

The way via which famiLEE LEEgime is going to fall is not going to be the same as Malaysia because there is no Anwar, and there is no Pakatan in Singapore. The more rotten than BN LEEgime will still fall at the lack of any equivalent of Anwar / Pakatan so the path and end result will be entirely different. But WILL STILL HAPPEN!

 

[uncleyap]

Malaysia's opposition is able to secure a breakthrough only because of an ex-BN leader Anwar. Without Anwar, Lim Kit Siang will probably still be kpkb in the wilderness.

There is no Anwar in Singapore. The opposition is in a pathetic state. Therefore what happens in Malaysia is highly unlikely to be replicated here. The PAP is much smarter than BN.

Instead of arresting bloggers under ISA to shut them up, they plan a mole in cyberspace (TOC) and promote it.

See the difference ?

http://sammyboy.com/showthread.php?p=43009#post43009

My answer is at above.

 

[Alu862]

" Mr. Anwar's new government will be free of UMNO / BN's burdens, which had accumulated for about 50 years. Without these heavy burdens the new government will have speed."

It will not have speed if they don't have policies.

 

[uncleyap]

PAS states are backward as the party confroms to extremist Islamic theory. Some of their policies such as those against women are also against Human Rights, the very thing Anwar, Ypa and the "no policies" SDP is promoting. So who is to one talking now?

PAs states may have been in financial trouble but are still no better than DAP states. With a coalition government, that makes it worse since PAS would not accept some Chinese policies.

Dream on with your "great" "democratic" coalition

Who said that there will be any GREAT coalition?

Who gave you your dreamed promises?

You are only on your own imposing your greedy naive expectations.:p

You are just on you own equating "reform" to "more hopes of wealth" aren't you?

 

[Alu862]

Who said that there will be any GREAT coalition?

Who gave you your dreamed promises?

You are only on your own imposing your greedy naive expectations.:p

You are just on you own equating "reform" to "more hopes of wealth" aren't you?

So is Anwar's coalition going to be better or a weak coalition of weak squabblers?

It is so easy to say reformasi.

 

[PEE_APE_PEE]

A very noble ministerial resignation - Zaid Ibrahim

Mr. Zaid Ibrahim have earned my respect with his very noble resignation from BN cabinet.

It is only the misfortune of us Singaporeans to not have any minister of such quality and principle. It is indeed impossible to have it within famiLEE LEEgime because that is a total misfit with both the cultures of famiLEE and the LEEgime under this selfish greedy coward famiLEE.

Chinese idiom said 上梁不正下梁歪 meaning the subordinate officials usually follows corrupted examples of of their own superiors, thus it is logically hopeless to expect righteous officials within the lower ranks when the higher ranks are corrupted above them.

The example of righteous Malaysian minister Mr. Zaid Ibrahim is the best evidence, in that this righteous minister can only withstand for few months within the corrupted government which exploited ISA against opposition, he can not withstand to stay with the abusive government any longer after ISA is abused to arrest opposition MP & reporter & blogger. So he made his resignation.

Why does Ass Loong Son's cousin-in-law Wong Kan Seng still stay within his famiLEE cabinet 7 months after limping JI fled from ISD? Because WKS is a perfect fit within the corrupted famiLEE LEEgime! He is perfectly comfortable within the corrupted and incompetent cabinet, just as well as such a cabinet is perfectly comfortable and compatible with him. He is part of the royal famiLEE via his wife who is directly a part of famiLEE, being a cousin of Ass Loong Son.

Another Chinese idiom said 臭味相投 that means the fouls and the stings usually group together and team together. Imply that the upright and uncorrupted will not mix with such a group / cabinet. Therefore, there is no such righteous minister within famiLEE LEEgime's million dollar cabinet like Mr. Zaid, if there were any would had made their resignations long time ago. :-)

In the contrary for Mr. Zaid's resignation, I will apply another Chinese idiom 良禽择木而棲 which means the better birds will know how to make better choice to nest on a superior tree.



Quote MalaysiaKini's interview with Mr Zaid:

Q&A: I have failed to convince them
Beh Lih Yi | Sep 16, 08 7:37pm
Outgoing de facto Law Minister Zaid Ibrahim bares his thoughts to journalists during a 40-minute press conference at his office in Putarajaya today.
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posted by uncleyap at 10:25 AM

PAP's S$3 million Wong Kan Seng failed to keep JI MSK within the ISA detention and still fucking failed to resign until now.

Malaysia's low salary Zaid failed to convince govt to stop abusing ISA, and he resigned immediately.

That is a huge contrast and irony in comparison shown clearly to the entire world.

PAP is a greedy corrupted abusive coward govt. BN is also but not that bad, at least they got one good (ex)minister.

 

[uncleyap]

So is Anwar's coalition going to be better or a weak coalition of weak squabblers?

It is so easy to say reformasi.

I can tell you that indeed Malaysia share one identical aspect with Singapore in reform:

That is - Only the rid of our (SG & MY) 5 decade old monopoly regimes had just begin to bring opportunity of true changes to be made.

Before the rid of our (SG & MY) selfish greedy incompetent authoritarian regimes, there was only desires of change and pressing needs of change but no chance at all, because the chances were completely prevented by authoritarians and reformists are all deprived.


For Malaysians now, and with our envy, their time just arrived and they are ahead of us.

The chances are in their hands now to make the changes. It is up to them to seize the chance and make good of it, and if they don't take good care they can still ruin it and make worst fuck up than BN (touch wood) but the risk is real. I must point this out.

This is the thing that Singaporeans must observe and learn after Malaysians, if they did right we must applaud and if they did wrong we must learn after their lessons as well. Open our eyes big and watch carefully toward direction of north.

Pray for our Malaysian bothers & sisters too.

When we are in position to offer any help, we must do so. We will need their helps some days, so don't be selfish please.

Reform is not X'mas and people ought to pay the prices. Don't just hang out your socks and expect lots of lovely free gifts to fall inside your socks like X'mas. Don't be so naive. Please be practical.

In reforms there is no Santa coming along with sled full of free gifts. You want some thing out of reform there is a chance now for you to pay a price to get what you wanted. That's all. When there is no reform campaign, there is just no chance at all. You just continue to get bullied and exploited and ripped off by overlord regimes.

 

[Alu862]

As i said, it is so easy to say reformasi. Anwar has NOT stated what he will do to make things better. End bumiputra? Is that going to make things any better?

 

[uncleyap]

PAP's S$3 million Wong Kan Seng failed to keep JI MSK within the ISA detention and still fucking failed to resign until now.

Malaysia's low salary Zaid failed to convince govt to stop abusing ISA, and he resigned immediately.

That is a huge contrast and irony in comparison shown clearly to the entire world.

PAP is a greedy corrupted abusive coward govt. BN is also but not that bad, at least they got one good (ex)minister.

right!

 

[tun_dr_m]

In many ways and angles one can view that.

Just only via the simple angle of BURDEN alone, Mr. Anwar's new government will be free of UMNO / BN's burdens, which had accumulated for about 50 years. Without these heavy burdens the new government will have speed.

famiLEE LEEgime have nearly the same 50 years length as BN / UMNO.

And LKy's burden is heavier than BN / UMNO's, why? In just the ministerial salaries alone it is already so much heavier then BN regime's

Essentially famiLEE LEEgime's extra burdens in comparison against BN is their falsehoods.

BN don't share famiLEE LEEgime's falsehoods such as:

• First World
• World's Cleanest Government
• Miracle success
• Huge wealth & reserve
• World Class Govt
• World Class Termasek
• World Class ISD mata
• World Class SAF

BN don't not share famiLEE LEEgime corruptions such as:

• Power succession within famiLEE
• Recycled PM to SM to MM
• BN's judiciary more opened than LEEgime's
• BN don't have a CUNT
• BN media not as low rating as 154th

Even with BN in so much lesser burden than famiLEE LEEgime, they have lost power so badly. famiLEE LEEgime is only much much more hopeless to sustain.

The way via which famiLEE LEEgime is going to fall is not going to be the same as Malaysia because there is no Anwar, and there is no Pakatan in Singapore. The more rotten than BN LEEgime will still fall at the lack of any equivalent of Anwar / Pakatan so the path and end result will be entirely different. But WILL STILL HAPPEN!

Don't forget about Ho Jinx@Temasek!

Malaysia didn't lost any money in Thaksin's Shin Corp!

Malaysia didn't lost money in NZ Airline, Suzhou Industrial Park, Optus Telecoms (AU), Micropolis, US Investment Banks, etc etc.

These are more than just burdens, these are catastrophes !

 

[uncleyap]

" Mr. Anwar's new government will be free of UMNO / BN's burdens, which had accumulated for about 50 years. Without these heavy burdens the new government will have speed."

It will not have speed if they don't have policies.

Anwar and Pakatan surely have policies, you are merely pointing out that either you are aware of none or you like none of their policies. May be because you are only looking for or interested in something that benefits yourself out of their policies.

I recall that you were able to highlight their abolishment of Bumiputra. Is that not a policy that you are at least aware? How can you say that they have none when you know at least this one?

You are just merely not interested by it and just any how criticizing people!

I think you are looking for Santa to come by and offer you free gifts, you are disappointed to see no Santa nor gifts, so you merely claim that there was NOTHING which is terribly untrue.

 

[uncleyap]

It is sea-change.

Entire Gerakan & MCA finally also found their balls to go against UMNO after Anwar by-election and especially within the Racial Tensions after Ahmad Ismail 's stir. Gerakan & MCA had never never ever had such balls in the past decades.

I must sincerely congratulate Malaysia, including Gerakan & MCA.

Things will never be the same as before.

Malaysia under Mr. Anwar will develop very differently and sure will past the development of Singapore. Already under Dr. M Malaysia already exceeded Singapore in many areas. Abdullah slowed down and let LEEgime buy time to survive. However, this is OVER now. The speed Malaysia will go under Anwar can be stronger then Dr. M because Dr. M had the BN / UMNO burden and Anwar left UMNO and now have a totally different Pakatan engine.

Given 10 LKy and 100 Ass Loong in LEEgime, it will still not be able to catch-up with Anwar's leadership in Malaysia. :p:p

This is what I am talking about, I am glad to see MCA found their balls to criticize ISA:

MCA: Journalist's detention unwarranted

Stanley Koh | Sep 17, 08 11:12am The recent detention of journalist Tan Hoon Cheng for 18 hours under the Internal Security Act (ISA) was totally unwarranted and the reasons provided for this are unacceptable.
MCPX

This was the stand taken by Barisan Nasional (BN) coalition party MCA at its central committee meeting yesterday.

Party president Ong Ka Ting said this after chairing the discussion which lasted some six hours, and covered the latest development relating to ISA arrests among other issues.

Tan, 33, a Sin Chew Daily journalist based in Penang was freed following immediate uproar by fellow-journalists, activists and prominent politicians including ministers from the BN camp.

Ong said the central committee also held the consensus view that the party should convey to the government some of the decisions made at the meeting.

“To prevent possible future abuse of the ISA, the MCA central committee calls for a comprehensive review of the ISA so that it will apply strictly to cases relating to terrorism and subversive elements,” he said.

Ong said the party leaders also decided that “there should also be a mechanism for checks and balances in the use of the ISA”.

Further to those decisions, the committee felt the party should also urge the government to release Selangor DAP exco member Teresa Kok and MalaysiaToday editor and blogger Raja Petra, both of whom were detained under the ISA last Friday.

“... they can be investigated under other laws and be charged in court if the evidence justifies this,” Ong noted.

On Pakatan Rakyat chief Anwar Ibrahim’s announcement and false impression that he would wrest the federal government from BN, Ong said the purported deadline of Sept 16 had caused the public to become “jittery and worried”.

“The meeting expressed deep disappointment and displeasure over recent speculation, rumours and lies by Anwar (left) on claims of political crossovers (from BN parties),” he said.

“It was irresponsible and had caused fear among many members of the public. They asked whether there was any truth to this and many dared not leave their homes. He has cried wolf many times and they (Pakatan) are making fools out of everybody.

“Many no longer believe him. This has caused undue worry among foreign investors (who are losing confidence) in our country.”

‘Reveal names of MCA reps’

Responding to a question on possible crossover by MCA parliamentarians, Ong took another swipe at the Pakatan leadership.

“If he has the numbers and the political strength, he should just go ahead. There is no necessity for him to cry wolf so many times, Ong said.

“Anwar has mentioned many times (that he has the numbers and there would be) crossovers by MCA and Umno leaders. Until now, he cannot provide any names because there is no truth to (the claims).”

Ong (left) also said Anwar should name the (MCA leaders) intending to defect.

“What is so secret about this…since he (Anwar) talks so much about transparency?”

On the Wisma MCA building, Ong said the party now wholly owns the premises following recent acquisition of the remaining 20.3 percent equity in Wisma MCA Sdn Bhd from Koperasi Jayadiri Malaysia Bhd for a total consideration of RM27.6 million.

The sale and purchase agreement signed on Aug 15 was priced on a willing buyer-willing seller basis after taking into account the current market value of Wisma MCA based on a professional evaluation.

 

[annexa]

According to my Malaysian friends, Anwar is another snake whose corruption level is not any better than Dr M. And he holds very racist views I heard. Malaysia is screwed no matter what happens. And they will take us along for the hell ride.

 

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

Ku Li is too old and appears to lack the backing of the UMNO grassroot support. Going by today's press reports it appears that Pak Lah is slowly but surely going to step down in the near future when he ceded the finance minister's post to Najib with immediate effect. Muhiyidden shall probably back Najib and so too Mukhriz for now. The window for saving UMNO and BN is fast closing so they have to act quick, firmly and effectively if not Anwar's 916 claim shall eventually turn out to be a reality.

Do you think Dr M will help Ku Li FOC ? Of course there are strings attached. I think Dr M will push for the setting up of a Presidential Council with him in charge to oversee the PM. Najib knows his plans and that's why he refuse to listen to Dr M. What makes you think Muhyiddin will accept Dr M's continued interference in the administration ?

 

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

You are talking through your hat and living in la la land if you think Anwar and PR can successfully "reform" Malaysia in the way you claim. First and foremost what has really and truly changed since Anwar himself was DPM and FM in the UMNO/BN government not forgetting Anwar's previous PAS background. Anwar's links with the Chinese Towkays and big Indian bizmen is also well known. Also what about the purported BN cross overs? You think they are purportedly ditching BN for PR because they love Anwar and Reformasi?

NEP, endemic corruption and political patronage is also linked to Anwar in one form or another. So keep whistling in the wind

I recall that you were able to highlight their abolishment of Bumiputra. Is that not a policy that you are at least aware? How can you say that they have none when you know at least this one?

You are just merely not interested by it and just any how criticizing people!

I think you are looking for Santa to come by and offer you free gifts, you are disappointed to see no Santa nor gifts, so you merely claim that there was NOTHING which is terribly untrue.

 

[Avantas]

Bro,

ACtually Anwar was never part of PAS though they tried to recruit him.

Anwar is too slimy, I doubt he is pure and above board either.

You are talking through your hat and living in la la land if you think Anwar and PR can successfully "reform" Malaysia in the way you claim. First and foremost what has really and truly changed since Anwar himself was DPM and FM in the UMNO/BN government not forgetting Anwar's previous PAS background. Anwar's links with the Chinese Towkays and big Indian bizmen is also well known. Also what about the purported BN cross overs? You think they are purportedly ditching BN for PR because they love Anwar and Reformasi?

NEP, endemic corruption and political patronage is also linked to Anwar in one form or another. So keep whistling in the wind

 

[The MilkMan]

Muhyiddin,he has too much at stake.
he is a rising star in UMNO,the future Deputy PM and PM in the making.
so i do not think he will join the opposition.

 

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

I believe Anwar was linked to PAS in one or another during his more radical student days. But to be fair to Anwar you gotta to know how to be slimy and play dirty if you want to be effective and succeed in politics. That is why is I say people like Dr Chee shall probably never succeeed as an effective politician and should stick to activism which I think is better to suited to his character.

Bro,

ACtually Anwar was never part of PAS though they tried to recruit him.

Anwar is too slimy, I doubt he is pure and above board either.

 

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

Who’s calling whose bluff?
20 Sept, 2008
By Ooi Kee Beng, TODAY

Millions of Malaysian eyes were focused on Sept 16 this week. That day has now come and gone, and the government is still in power despite opposition leader Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim’s claim that he has the means to fell Premier Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi’s administration.

He had asked that day to meet the Prime Minister in order to provide the latter with the names of parliamentarians willing to cross over to his coalition, the Pakatan Rakyat. But Abdullah refused, asserting that Anwar was merely seeking to gain political mileage out of such a meeting.

But what if Anwar isn’t bluffing?

If that is the case, and his use of the date of Sept 16 to destabilise the government and lure East Malaysian MPs to his side has actually succeeded, then Malaysia is in a transitional stage where PR is working out the details of how the handover of power can best take place without violence and without the Internal Security Act being used on more of its members.

Then, the first date to watch would be Sept 24, when Anwar appears in court to face his sodomy charge again. He will be tempted to have things over and done with by that time to minimise risks for himself personally.

The government’s hasty release of journalist Tan Chee Hoon and Selangor state assemblywoman Teresa Kok, both surprisingly arrested under the ISA last week, shows that Abdullah does not have good control over his Cabinet, and that Umno’s supreme council is doing damage control and trying to focus on Anwar. Had Kok not been released, a new crisis would have built up within the ruling coalition.

Next, there is Oct 12, when Parliament returns from its uncustomary Ramadan break. The Budget will be hotly debated then, but also the government’s use of the ISA.

And once Parliament is in session, and if Anwar has not been bluffing, then he and his allies are at liberty to move for a no-confidence motion against Abdullah’s Cabinet. Should Parliament pass the motion and if BN respects the constitution, then the Abdullah government will step down and the King will have to appoint someone else to form a functioning government with majority support in Parliament.

What could also happen — and this seems most likely if things do come this far — is that the King decides to dissolve the eight-month-old Parliament and call for new elections, which need not affect governments at the state level.

But what if Anwar is not bluffing, and Mr Abdullah knows it but is pulling a bluff of his own to gain time, parrying every move that Anwar can make to carry out his threat, until he himself is ready to make the next move in this extended drama?

Then Malaysia may expect to see draconian measures taken against the opposition, with Abdullah and his Cabinet doing all they can to crush the opposition parties. The ISA would then be widely used.

Given how five states are governed by the opposition today, such a move by Abdullah would be the least wise of the few alternatives he has at his disposal. It would also break up the BN for good.

But if Anwar is indeed bluffing, and if he has failed to persuade enough lawmakers from the ruling BN to defect, then the situation is one — at least in Parliament — where the majority will continue ruling, but with no real possibility of amending the Constitution. It will also have to deal with a very loud and bold opposition of 81 MPs snapping at its heels throughout the remainder of its five-year mandate.

It will also be an opposition that will aggressively seek to topple the BN every chance it gets.

If Anwar is bluffing, then this scenario will be the most stable for the country in the near future. Umno will go on to solve its leadership problems as best it can, perhaps by Dec 16 or 17 at its general assembly. Otherwise, Abdullah will leave in time, supposedly earlier than mid-2010, with his deputy Datuk Seri Najib Razak’s camp — in tandem with the increasing speed at which it will be handed more power — edging him out faster than he might imagine.

Within Umno may grow a Najib-Khairy Jamaluddin camp to limit rising internal opposition from an increasingly confident Datuk Mukhriz Mahathir and his allies.

Umno, by then controlling BN without any pretence at consensual decision making, will hang on to power ... at least until the next general election.

However, at least in the longer term, given how diverse political representation has become in Malaysia, we may expect a more decentralised form of federalism with different parties entrenched in different states, and a looser form of coalitional culture at the centre.

The central-line type of political “debate”, if that had ever been the right word to use, will dissipate in time, along with the notion that ruling coalitions are forever.

 

[xdecepticon]

Muhyiddin has no choice but to throw his lot behind Anwar should he wants to become DPM. Anwar has stated he will appoint up to 5 DPMs. Among them is DAP's stalwart Lim Kit Siang and PAS Hadi Awang.

However, Kit Siang is distrusted by many malays while Anwar distrust Hadi Awang who openly flirted leaving Pakatan to join BN. His choices within PKR to his right hand man are equally limited: Khalid is the MB of Selangor, Azmin Ali is too junior and Salehuddin has little support on the ground.

The only person who is acceptable to the malays and have the experience to be Anwar's No 2 is Muhyiddin. In fact, if he leaves BN now, he will be hailed as a hero in the eyes of the rakyat.

Haha...really wayang. How can both race chauvinist work hand in hand?

Anwar, a Malay Muslim, distrust Hadi Awang, a Malay Muslim but trust Kit Siang, a Chinese chauvinist??? Another wayang in the making.

Muhyiddin, a Malay Muslim, hailed a "hero" in the eyes of the rakyat?? Dream on, I say...