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Kong hee Fark Choy! City Harvest raise $22.9 million building fund, Praise the Lord!

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haha ram...krafty la in Bedok reservoir. My typo mistake la.:p

You are sharp ah even tho still early in the morning.

You dating Krafty or Drifter? :confused:
 
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Could have acknowledge the source of your "cut and paste", which is titled "10 Reasons You Should Never Have a Religion"
An interesting text that included ill-formed logic that does not make sense, no different from some 'religious' text. :*:

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while consciously pursuing your spiritual development is commendable, joining an established religion such as Christianity, Islam, or Hinduism is one of the worst ways to go about it. I’ll share 10 reasons why you must eventually abandon the baggage of organized religion if you wish to pursue conscious living in earnest.

since Christianity is currently the world’s most popular religion, I’ll slant towards Christianity’s ubiquitous failings. however, you’ll find that most of these points apply equally well to other major religions (yes, even Buddhism).

1.) Spirituality for dummies.
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2) Loss of spiritual depth perception.
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10. Faith is fear.
Religion is the systematic marketing of fear.
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god isn’t going to smite you for not formally worshipping him. If he didn’t smite me by now, it’s a safe bet you’ll slide beneath the radar as well. And if that doesn’t work, you can borrow my fake ID. I’ve been baptized and confirmed, and I’m the son of an altar boy and the nephew of a priest, so I’m sure I’ll be fine. ;)
 
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An article from Straits Times stated that 1 in 10 Singaporeans are suffering from Mental related illness, http://www.straitstimes.com/BreakingNews/Singapore/Story/STIStory_735672.html

Religion can be defined as a strong belief in the supernatural power that holds the sole authority to control human destiny. It is an institution that helps to express our belief in a heavenly power. Religion is as old as the human civilization and came into existence when the human brain became superior to realize the significance of faith, and worship. Earlier humans lived in small groups, and each group recognized an icon that harmonized the ideologies of different people in the group. Rituals were an essential part of lives and were carried for natural resources icons such as moon, sun, fire, river, etc. since its beginning religion has been very beneficial for humans and it still holds an important place in the lives of people. The many benefits of religion include:

1.Helps in spiritual growth.
2.Aids in better mental health.
3.Provides a medium for friendship.
4.Improves creative skills.
5.Improves a person’s strength for adverse conditions.
6.Religion helps to sympathize people in grief.
7.Improves the physical health.
 
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Religion is as old as the human civilization and came into existence when the human brain became superior to realize the significance of faith, and worship.

Imo, religion came into being with man's anthropomorphism of nature i.e man the toolmaker making the inference that the mountains and the Sun must have been created by another toolmaker with greater powers than him.
 
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Windsor bro,

Good piece there!

Imagine rubbing the shoulders of clinton666 or even giving him a brotherly hug in the flesh! :)

Loner, drifter, rebel, vagabond etc need not apply though. ;)

There is need for those who seek comfort and companionship with like-minded people. Sadly, many Singaporeans ended up lonely, a bachelor or spinster and unable to socialise and mentally ill. The charismatic movement has many followers and the church is a place for them to mixed with their own age group, socialise, have fun among other benefits. I don't see that as a problem, and if they want to believe, it's a personal choice as long as they do not proselytise others, I do not see any harm.

I do see a problem Singaporeans faced in this highly stressed society, where many people remained unmarried, not that being married is a good thing, but some people need partners whereas some do not. One underlying reason could be they have no time to socialise due to work commitments or their personal lifestyles prevented them. The church is more like an organisation that operates like a business corporation. They too need sustenance by way of donations otherwise they will not be able to survive. The same goes for all other religions. For the individual, they get contacts, meet successful and experienced people and peers who can dispense advice and also provide leads, jobs and assistance when needed. That is why they are one of the fastest growing movements.

In the coming days, there are signs that we might be facing a recession, and there will be many who will face hardship. For them, they can find help, whereas for the rest, the MIW will offer a little and as we know, their motto is you die your business. The future is very uncertain for the entire world I believe and many of us are ill-prepared for it. One of the churches I used to go to, I was surprised how many well-known personalities are members, like judges, lawyers, doctors, surgeons, politicians and etc. If anyone who wants to be a success in life, rub shoulders with such people, they might stand a better chance in achieving their objectives.
 
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An article from Straits Times stated that 1 in 10 Singaporeans are suffering from Mental related illness, http://www.straitstimes.com/BreakingNews/Singapore/Story/STIStory_735672.html

Religion can be defined as a strong belief in the supernatural power that holds the sole authority to control human destiny. It is an institution that helps to express our belief in a heavenly power. Religion is as old as the human civilization and came into existence when the human brain became superior to realize the significance of faith, and worship. Earlier humans lived in small groups, and each group recognized an icon that harmonized the ideologies of different people in the group. Rituals were an essential part of lives and were carried for natural resources icons such as moon, sun, fire, river, etc. since its beginning religion has been very beneficial for humans and it still holds an important place in the lives of people. The many benefits of religion include:

1.Helps in spiritual growth.
2.Aids in better mental health.
3.Provides a medium for friendship.
4.Improves creative skills.
5.Improves a person’s strength for adverse conditions.
6.Religion helps to sympathize people in grief.
7.Improves the physical health.


Religion is as old as the human civilization and came into existence when the human brain became superior to realize the significance of control . now im going to debunk all your 6 points by using my # 20 post ;)

1.Helps in spiritual growth ? ( control you under the name of invisibleman )Spirituality for dummies.
If you have the awareness level of a snail, and your thinking is mired in shame and guilt (with perhaps a twist of drug abuse or suicidal thinking), then subscribing to a religion can help you climb to a higher level of awareness. your mindset, however, still remains incredibly dysfunctional you’ve merely swapped one form of erroneous thinking for another.for reasonably intelligent people who aren’t suffering from major issues with low self-esteem, religion is ridiculously consciousness-lowering. while some religious beliefs can be empowering, on the whole the decision to formally participate in a religion will merely burden your mind with a hefty load of false notions.when you subscribe to a religion, you substitute nebulous group-think for focused, independent thought. instead of learning to discern truth on your own, you’re told what to believe. this doesn’t accelerate your spiritual growth, on the contrary it puts the brakes on your continued conscious development. religion is the off-switch of the human mind.leave the mythology behind, and learn to think for yourself. your intellect is a better instrument of spiritual growth than any religious teachings.


2.Aids in better mental health? ( makes you mentally unstable to the extend of talking to yourself )

3.Provides a medium for friendship? ( provide a place to create MLM to con more members of their money )religions frequently promote inbred social networks. you’re encouraged to spend more time with people who share the same belief system while disengaging from those with incompatible beliefs. sometimes this is done subtly other times it’s more obvious. if you’re one of the saved, blessed, or otherwise enlightened individuals who stumbled upon the one true belief system, then supposedly everyone else remains in the dark. certain religions are overtly intolerant of outsiders, but to one degree or another, all major religions cast non-subscribers in a negative light. this helps to discourage members from abandoning the religion while still enabling them to proselytize. the main idea is to maintain social structures that reward loyalty and punish freedom of thought.this us-vs-them prejudice is totally incongruent with conscious living. it’s also downright moronic from a global perspective. but it remains a favored practice of those who pull the strings. when you’re taught to distrust other human beings, fear gets a foothold in your consciousness, and you become much easier to control.when you join a religion, your fellow mind-slaves will help to keep you in line, socially rewarding your continued obedience while punishing your disloyalty. why do they do this? it’s what they’ve been conditioned to do. tell your religious friends that you’re abandoning their religion because you want to think for yourself for a while, and watch the sparks fly. suddenly you’ve gone from best friend to evil demon. there’s no greater threat to religious people than to profess your desire to think for yourself.there are better ways to enjoy a sense of community than joining a slavery club. try making friends with conscious, free-thinking people for a change , people who are willing to connect with you regardless of how silly your beliefs are. you may find it intimidating at first, but it’s quite refreshing once you get used to it.

4.Improves creative skills? ( locking up your brain improving delusion )


5.Improves a person’s strength for adverse conditions? ( making a person weak by giving false hope )

6.Religion helps to sympathize people in grief ? eligious rules and laws invariably hamper the development of conscience. this causes all sorts of problems like pointless violence and warfare. those who preach nonviolence as a rule or law tend to be the most violent of all. such people cannot be trusted because they’ll violate their proclaimed values with the weakest of excuses.
when you externalize compassion into a set of rules and laws, what you’re left with isn’t compassion at all. True compassion is a matter of conscious choice, and that requires the absence of force-backed rules and laws.
the more religious a person becomes, the less compassionate s/he is. the illusion of compassion substitutes for the real thing. religious people tend to be the most bigoted and non-accepting people on earth. they’re the least trustworthy and suffer from the grossest character defects. they pretend they’re doing good, but they’re really collaborators in a system designed to push people into unconscious slavery to a “higher” authority. they are slaves promoting slavery.
Historically speaking, religious people love to fight each other. instead of unconditional love, they practice conditional loyalty. the only unconditional aspect is their thirst for blood. if you disagree with them, you’re a target… either for conversion or destruction (both of which are really the same thing).
if you value the ideal of unconditional love, you won’t find it in the practice of religion. real compassion doesn’t arise from believing in god, from practicing various rituals, or from studying the concept of karma. compassion can only result from conscious choice, and this requires the freedom to choose without the threat of punishment or the promise of reward. if you’re obedient to your faith, it’s a safe bet that compassion is absent from your life. you probably don’t even know what real compassion feels like.the more we collectively abandon all religion, the better off this planet will be. this doesn’t mean we have to abandon all spiritual pursuits. It just means we must stop turning spirituality into something it isn’t.



7.Improves the physical health ? you mean by praying ? ;)
 
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Could have acknowledge the source of your "cut and paste", which is titled "10 Reasons You Should Never Have a Religion"
An interesting text that included ill-formed logic that does not make sense, no different from some 'religious' text. :*:

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its a great website to open your mind ...which sentence you think is not logic ?
 
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Wondering if CHC have a franchise business model? Looking at the tax free donations, perhaps I should start becoming more religious. How about franchising CHC to territories outside SG?
 
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Wondering if CHC have a franchise business model? Looking at the tax free donations, perhaps I should start becoming more religious. How about franchising CHC to territories outside SG?

Maybe now they already start building up their brand name outside Singapore by using missionary as a excuse to start the ball rolling ;) churches are good in building MLM business ;)
 
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Maybe now they already start building up their brand name outside Singapore by using missionary as a excuse to start the ball rolling ;) churches are good in building MLM business ;)
From business perspective, better than MLM. Donations are tax free. Also, I can 'save' many people at the same time, receive millions donation from the people I 'saved'.

Anyone got Kong Hee's number? This is a serious biz.
 
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From business perspective, better than MLM. Donations are tax free. Also, I can 'save' many people at the same time, receive millions donation from the people I 'saved'.

Anyone got Kong Hee's number? This is a serious biz.

Religions are always in business ... If religion got no money involved then I worry ;) .
 
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while consciously pursuing your spiritual development is commendable, joining an established religion such as Christianity, Islam, or Hinduism is one of the worst ways to go about it. I’ll share 10 reasons why you must eventually abandon the baggage of organized religion if you wish to pursue conscious living in earnest.etter off on our own.;)

Bro...very well to quote from various sources about the negative views on religions. While I am not for or against religions, their existence has persists since mankind learn about self-awareness. I will not delve too deeply about religions nor will I want to pursue what to me is quite a distasteful subject. There never will be an end to the debate as we know eversince humans, with different religions started socialising.

My take on this thread is about the positive aspects and the benefits to the individual. You may not be aware of how many young people are totally lost when they venture into the adult world. They are seeking answers, companionship, a career and a life partner. Sadly, I have relatives that I know are mentally unstable and some are unmarried and they are not happy people.

Let's not discuss this further, except for me to conclude that when an organisation can give me what I want and because of them I become very successful, I will not mind giving 10% of what I have to the organisation that brought me to where I am. That this church can get millions of dollars in donation is no surprise at all as many of the members are very successful people with lots of influence.
 
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Imo, religion came into being with man's anthropomorphism of nature i.e man the toolmaker making the inference that the mountains and the Sun must have been created by another toolmaker with greater powers than him.

your great prophet chee soon juan soon do better than kong hee fatt choy. chee should consider a career switch to be the next messiah.
 
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Bro...very well to quote from various sources about the negative views on religions. While I am not for or against religions, their existence has persists since mankind learn about self-awareness. I will not delve too deeply about religions nor will I want to pursue what to me is quite a distasteful subject. There never will be an end to the debate as we know since humans with different religions start socialising.

My take on this thread is about the positive aspects and the benefits to the individual. You may not be aware of how many young people are totally lost when they venture into the adult world. They are seeking answers, companionship, a career and a life partner. Sadly, I have relatives that I know are mentally unstable and some are unmarried and they are not happy people.

Let's not discuss this further, except for me to conclude that when an organisation can give me what I want and because of them I become very successful, I will not mind giving 10% of what I have to the organisation that brought me to where I am. That this church can get millions of dollars in donation is no surprise at all as many of the members are very successful people with lots of influence.

bro , theres more negative then positive in religion ...i myself dont need any religion to get what i am today . you mention young people are totally lost when they venture into the adult world. They are seeking answers, companionship, a career and a life partner. religon dont give you any answer they give you delusion mind , if you understand that life is full of ups and downs then you have no problem with failure . and that alone is a good step to educate ppl who have probelm and not some religion craps . Sadly, I also have relatives that I know are mentally unstable and some are unmarried and they are not happy people and they are very religious people . many of the members are successful ppl ? religious ppl life are bed of roses ?
 
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The many benefits of religion include:

1.Helps in spiritual growth.
2.Aids in better mental health.
3.Provides a medium for friendship.
4.Improves creative skills.
5.Improves a person’s strength for adverse conditions.
6.Religion helps to sympathize people in grief.
7.Improves the physical health.

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You'll always have unhappy people with a religion trying to convert people from the other camp to theirs.

Likewise, you'll also have unhappy people without a religion with the same mission. :eek:
 
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bro , theres more negative then positive in religion ...i myself dont need any religion to get what i am today . you mention young people are totally lost when they venture into the adult world. They are seeking answers, companionship, a career and a life partner. religon dont give you any answer they give you delusion mind , if you understand that life is full of ups and downs then you have no problem with failure . and that alone is a good step to educate ppl who have probelm and not some religion craps . Sadly, I also have relatives that I know are mentally unstable and some are unmarried and they are not happy people and they are very religious people . many of the members are successful ppl ? religious ppl life are bed of roses ?
When I said "They are seeking answers, companionship, a career and a life partner," it is not about religion. Everyone goes through this stage in life, and what answers they are seeking depends on the individual. It could be anything, as everyone has personal problems, like personal relationships, problems with parents and etc. It can also be religious too. The relatives I know definitely can do with some help psychologically, and since family members are unable to do something about it, maybe friends or religion can help them. I mentioned it, as I believe the cause could be about the ills of today's society and the loneliness of other people. It has nothing to do about them having a religion or otherwise. The gist of my comment is not about religion, but more about getting on in life and how even religion can help those who cannot make it. It does not apply to everyone as there are many who do not need it. There is no doubt in my mind however, that the charismatic churches model is one of the most successful orgainsations in the world. Your personal experience and mine and of others are about people who can do without religion. There are some who are unable to, but that is another story and I won't want to go there.
 
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Has City Harvest listed on the SGX yet?
 
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Has City Harvest listed on the SGX yet?
CHC holdings seems to be a nice name for IPO with a suggested price of SGD 2.29.
 
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Maybe now they already start building up their brand name outside Singapore by using missionary as a excuse to start the ball rolling ;) churches are good in building MLM business ;)

They are already into some 'moneylending' biz in HK. Kong Hee is an undercover bizman!
 
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When I said "They are seeking answers, companionship, a career and a life partner," it is not about religion. Everyone goes through this stage in life, and what answers they are seeking depends on the individual. It could be anything, as everyone has personal problems, like personal relationships, problems with parents and etc. It can also be religious too. The relatives I know definitely can do with some help psychologically, and since family members are unable to do something about it, maybe friends or religion can help them. I mentioned it, as I believe the cause could be about the ills of today's society and the loneliness of other people. It has nothing to do about them having a religion or otherwise. The gist of my comment is not about religion, but more about getting on in life and how even religion can help those who cannot make it. It does not apply to everyone as there are many who do not need it. There is no doubt in my mind however, that the charismatic churches model is one of the most successful orgainsations in the world. Your personal experience and mine and of others are about people who can do without religion. There are some who are unable to, but that is another story and I won't want to go there.

All this talk about religion comes to nothing because if it has to do faith, you have to have belief and no amount of argument can convert a person to embrace a religion except for the most shallow believers or people who there not for religious belief but all the other "benefits". When a person is outside a religion, it can be very difficult to socialise with a religious person. People of the same religion tend to prefer people of the same religion. In fact many religions frown on inter- marriage with someone outside their religion. This is the divisive aspects of religions. We have natural divisions created by nature (e.g. skin colour) and history (e.g. race). Religion is another such division. The fiercest wars are fought over religion and we are still fighting it today. Religion should go back to its basic i.e. personal spiritual attainment. Forgo all the other benefits of pursuing religion in groups as any benefit gained can be at the expense of something lost. Only then we can avoid division.
 
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