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Khaw Boon Wan welcome the idea of higher HDB carpark fees so long as it works

BuiKia

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Car park crunch: More radical solutions needed, say experts
By Tan Weizhen, TODAY | Posted: 27 December 2011 0616 hrs

SINGAPORE: Even as the authorities look into the idea of mechanised car parks, some analysts pointed out the challenges - such as maintenance and costs - with such a system.

Instead, they suggested more innovative ideas, including creating a private market for parking spaces and allocating different zones for vehicles of different sizes.

National University of Singapore transport expert Lee Der Horng noted that it is "very common" in some cities in the United States to group cars of similar sizes together.

Said Associate Professor Lee: "So the smaller cars are parked in the same zone, and it's the same for the sports utility vehicles (SUVs), for instance."

Nanyang Technological University transport economist Michael Li has a more radical suggestion: Allocate each household with a car park lot and allow those who do not own any vehicles to "rent" out their lots to others, thus creating a market which would enable demand and supply to balance out.

According to the Ministry of National Development, six in 10 Housing and Development Board (HDB) households do not own cars. About a third own one car, while 5 per cent own two or more.

The transport analysts pointed out that the cheap HDB parking fees here would escalate the carpark crunch in the years to come.

In Taipei, for instance, motorists have to pay a flat fee of as much as S$200,000 for one parking lot, said Assoc Prof Lee.

He added that policymakers should think about a "market-based" solution - in which parking fees will have to be higher - for housing estates that face severe car park shortage.

Last Friday, National Development Minister Khaw Boon Wan wrote on his blog that, while new estates will come with adequate car parks, new solutions are needed in the older HDB estates "where there is little space to add new lots".

Mr Khaw has asked the HDB to look into mechanised parking systems but he noted there are "implementation issues" to be worked through.

HDB residents who spoke to TODAY generally welcomed the idea - as long as the system is thoroughly tested and properly maintained.

Some suggested a policy which require residents to secure a parking lot before they buy a vehicle - a suggestion mooted last year in this newspaper in a column by consultant Richard Hartung.

Calling for a balloting system for HDB households who wish to own more than one car, IT consultant Brandon Tan, 40, said: "HDB carparks are supposed to be for the middle-class masses ... If people want a second or third car but fail to win the ballot, then they should look for alternative parking solutions." - TODAY
 

zhihau

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Car park crunch: More radical solutions needed, say experts

indeed, very radical solutions are required. may i suggest that the population in this 700 sqm be maintained around 4 million. less folks around can correlate to a lower number of cars required.
 

Leongsam

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indeed, very radical solutions are required. may i suggest that the population in this 700 sqm be maintained around 4 million. le

I'd go a step further and reduce the population to 1968 levels. They can start by deporting the 40% that voted against the PAP in the last election.

These ungrateful wretches should not be allowed to enjoy the fruits of PAP labour. They show no gratitude whatsoever for the sacrifices made by those who have developed the country into the magnificent world class technological hub that it is today.

If they think they can run a country better, they should bugger off somewhere and start their own.
 

Glaringly

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According to the Ministry of National Development, six in 10 Housing and Development Board (HDB) households do not own cars. About a third own one car, while 5 per cent own two or more.

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He added that policymakers should think about a "market-based" solution - in which parking fees will have to be higher - for housing estates that face severe car park shortage.

Throwing a huge smoke screen and try to capitalise and profit on their inadequate assumption that not all household can afford a car.

In the first place, why provide less car parks, see Sinkie no up is it?
 

bullfrog

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Not a sound idea! Look at the Heavy vehicles Parking scheme! It has been hijacked by a few oligopolies in the business who are subletting them to actual small owners of heavy vehicles for profitable margins.

Instead, they suggested more innovative ideas, including creating a private market for parking spaces and allocating different zones for vehicles of different sizes.
 
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Devil Within

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He added that policymakers should think about a "market-based" solution - in which parking fees will have to be higher - for housing estates that face severe car park shortage.

What market base is he talking about when the whole "market" is monopolised by HDB (built limited carparks) and LTA (limit land use and cars)? A real free market base has no government intervention!
 
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bullfrog

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That's ok for the PAP. Then they can bring in more cargo liners of Ah Tiongs, kelings, Pinoys and Javanese (Chinese) and Burmese.

no need for deportation, i presume a good proportion of them made immigration plans :eek::eek::eek:
 
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Capano2121

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Singapore with it's international standard & world number one should have international standard & world number one brains sorting out & create a international standard & world number one method of charging for car parks! If the solution is only to raise the parking fees, then do you really need a international standard world number one highest paid minister to occupy the space? Are they singing to the tune of we charge you more first then we think about building more car park lots or will they build more lots first then whack you with a higher parking fees? Which would you prefer?
 

LeMans2011

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If you do not smell what i smell (increased HDB parking fees)... you need to get your nose checked.
Anything else are is just side show.
 

LeMans2011

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Let me offer my version of a "radical solution".

If a person can tolerate the punishment of living in a pigeon hole, he does not deserve to own a car. All HDB dwellers should only be allowed to ride motorcycles hence solving the problem of carpark crunch. Carpark should only be built with private properties and all private properties should be sold with a car... this is good for both the car sellers and private property developers and it sets apart living in an HDB shithole vs a private shithole.
 

Fook Seng

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Leongsam said:
I'd go a step further and reduce the population to 1968 levels. They can start by deporting the 40% that voted against the PAP in the last election.

These ungrateful wretches should not be allowed to enjoy the fruits of PAP labour. .

Already many have left, but ironically, the percentage of non-supporters has stayed at 40% and is in fact inching higher. What fruits are there to reap? The tree of PAP's struggle is actually quite barren.
 

laksaboy

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Let me offer my version of a "radical solution".

If a person can tolerate the punishment of living in a pigeon hole, he does not deserve to own a car. All HDB dwellers should only be allowed to ride motorcycles hence solving the problem of carpark crunch. Carpark should only be built with private properties and all private properties should be sold with a car... this is good for both the car sellers and private property developers and it sets apart living in an HDB shithole vs a private shithole.

Unfortunately, that will only result in an even more crowded public transport system.

The solution is to reduce the population of Singapore. Do not renew a certain % of employment passes. Increase the barriers to obtaining PR and citizenship.

Once the number of people on the island decreases, the number of vehicles on the roads and in carparks will also decrease.

Try it. Start with smaller goals. Reduce the population from the current 5.1 million to 4.9 million. Trim off 200K people and experience immediate improvement.
 

jw5

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If a person can tolerate the punishment of living in a pigeon hole, he does not deserve to own a car. All HDB dwellers should only be allowed to ride motorcycles hence solving the problem of carpark crunch. Carpark should only be built with private properties and all private properties should be sold with a car... this is good for both the car sellers and private property developers and it sets apart living in an HDB shithole vs a private shithole.

You can frequently see mercedes, bmws, and lexus in hdb carparks.
The reason is simple.
Everyone gets to see the cars they drive everyday.
Only bank officers and government departments get to see their addresses.
 

johnny333

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The solution is to reduce the population of Singapore. Do not renew a certain % of employment passes. Increase the barriers to obtaining PR and citizenship.

This is assuming the PAP wants to fix the problem.

As the PAP doesn't owe foreigners a living they can easily implement drastic measures to curb the population. However the reality is that the PAP is profiting from these foreigners. Don't expect any real change until Sporeans start voting for change by voting in more opposition.
 
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