Kee Chiu's defence of empty ballot boxes is ????

[winnipegjets]

Empty ballot boxes are not "controlled items': Chun Sing

Rachel Chang
The Straits Times
Thursday, Sep 19, 2013

SINGAPORE - The discovery of five empty ballot boxes in a school last month did not breach the security of electoral proceedings, said Minister for Social and Family Development Chan Chun Sing on Monday.

These boxes ceased to be "controlled items" once the ballots were transferred out into a separate set of boxes for counting, he explained.

"For the Elections Department, the priority is to ensure that all controlled items, for example, ballot papers, are properly accounted for. And this we have done so over the course of the election."

At no point during the electoral process are controlled items mixed or left unattended, he added.

Mr Chan was responding on behalf of the Prime Minister to Workers' Party MP Pritam Singh (Aljunied GRC), who tabled a question after a student found the empty boxes at a school in the Bishan-Toa Payoh electoral division.

They were apparently used in the 2011 Presidential Election.

The case is rare because these boxes should have been collected and disposed of by contractors after the ballot papers are emptied out for counting.

Mr Chan also revealed that a check by the Elections Department (ELD) of 164 schools used as counting centres has since unearthed empty ballot boxes in five other schools.

This was "an oversight by working personnel", he said, but not a breach of law.

Nevertheless, the ELD will review and tighten disposal procedures.

He added that the theft of the boxes from the school storeroom is being investigated.

Both Mr Alex Yam (Chua Chu Kang GRC) and Mr Singh suggested in supplementary questions that empty boxes be treated like controlled items and be incinerated after six months, like ballot papers are.

Mr Singh said that this would prevent the "undue alarm" that has been caused by the discovery of the boxes in the school.

Mr Chan replied that this will be studied, but emphasised that once the ballot papers are removed from them, such boxes are "just any other boxes".

"The life of the ballot box ceases when the seal is broken and the ballot papers are emptied out and the box is certified to be totally empty," he said.

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[winnipegjets]

Mr Chan replied that this will be studied, but emphasised that once the ballot papers are removed from them, such boxes are "just any other boxes".

How stupid can he be?

Great, now that he has said that election boxes when emptied are no long controlled item, we can collected them so that we can make replicas of them to allow us to engineer the results of future elections.

 

[peppertail]

Sounds like a plausible explanation. I would be more worried if they actually found leftover or unused seals that are used to 'secure' the boxes.

 

[ray_of_hope]

Mr Chan replied that this will be studied, but emphasised that once the ballot papers are removed from them, such boxes are "just any other boxes".

A similar explanation was given for the AIM saga, where Khaw argued that the software is nothing fantastic, and can be bought off the shelf anywhere. :o

 

[Narong Wongwan]

What you expect him to say?

Yes we cheated at the polls?

Or sorry we screwed up....we'll call for a re-election for president?

 

[chonburifc]

Chow chee bye pappies. Everything also oversight. Con man hee also oversight. Like that, win already lor.

 

[I_Hate_Pappies]

The life of a bullet ceases after the bullet is fired off the cartridge? It will become like any empty cartridges?

 

[chonburifc]

Chow chee bye pappies, everything also go excuse. Might as well say it's heaven's will.

Fuck pap

 

[Kohliantye]

These boxes ceased to be "controlled items" once the ballots were transferred out into a separate set of boxes for counting, he explained.


This was "an oversight by working personnel", he said, but not a breach of law.

Nevertheless, the ELD will review and tighten disposal procedures.

He added that the theft of the boxes from the school storeroom is being investigated.

"The life of the ballot box ceases when the seal is broken and the ballot papers are emptied out and the box is certified to be totally empty," he said.

Pritam Singh should ask Chanchun Singh what happen when someone steals all the rubbish boxes from the front of private homes after it has been cleared of the rubbish.

Does it also "ceased to be controlled items" and hence can be stolen?

If a police officer allows a prisoner to escape due to negligence can it also be classified as "an oversight by working personnels".

 

[steffychun]

How stupid can he be?

Great, now that he has said that election boxes when emptied are no long controlled item, we can collected them so that we can make replicas of them to allow us to engineer the results of future elections.

P Singh should point out that CCS never won by ballot box but by a timing default set by Ah Mee

 

[bakkuttay]

Like a fishing net. Does not hold water.
Hahahohohohohoho......

 

[Confuseous]

If these were deemed normal, why the fcuk then for the urgent police reports and investigations?
Kee Chiu is just talking through his anal orifice.
Future PM?

 

[rotiprata]

should learn from TPL......"i don't what to say....."

 

[Confuseous]

Mystery Of The Empty Ballot Boxes Remains

At this point of time, there is no way to determine what happened to the ballot papers which they must have contained. But there are several questions which should be answered by the relevant officials in charge.

Are there any official signatures or codes on the boxes to determine and verify their authenticity?

Whose signatures should be on the boxes? Chan CS has provided no details in Parliament. IMO, one instance may be explained away as an isolated case, but when there are FIVE other instances in FIVE other different counting centres, can he afford to be so incurious and dismissive about it?

Does this not strike him as odd? What were the circumstances surrounding the five other ‘discoveries’?

Were the ballot boxes also found ‘hidden’ in rooms like the first case? While a swallow does not a summer make, but when there are FIVE others can Chan take the matter so lightly?

In total, how many filled voting slips/ballot papers did all the boxes found once contained?

- http://thetwophilo.wordpress.com/2013/09/18/the-mystery-of-the-empty-ballot-boxes-remains

 

[peppertail]

If these were deemed normal, why the fcuk then for the urgent police reports and investigations?
Kee Chiu is just talking through his anal orifice.
Future PM?

Pretty sure it's procedure.

 

[kingrant]

Two serious questions:

1. Why is the issue being answered by the Minister for Social and Family Development instead of by the PM when the Election Dept is under the purview of the PMO?

2. How do we all know that they were empty before they were lost or went out of control? You mean we should trust the PAP?

What if these boxes were from the Aljunied GRC or Hougang? Would the govt have been as nonchalant?

 

[SlickJon]

election dept nv do their job properly again...

all these govt agencies better wake up their idea!

 

[PhuaCheeBye]

Sounds like a plausible explanation. I would be more worried if they actually found leftover or unused seals that are used to 'secure' the boxes.

wow...so smart!

 

[PhuaCheeBye]

P Singh should point out that CCS never won by ballot box but by a timing default set by Ah Mee

so smart too! Wow!

 

[kingrant]

Re: Mystery Of The Empty Ballot Boxes Remains

Indeed, the answers invite more questions and riddles than clarity. The PMO has a case to answer, and convince Singaporeans that the election process chain was not corrupted. The govt has to come out with more transparency. Why are not the empty ballot boxes treated like controlled items until they are destroyed under witness?