kaa’ba is very powerful

[mudhatter]

@mudhatter

I didn't bother to read all your drivel, merely caught the first sentence when you called me smart. Thank you kindly sir. You're just an angry, frustrated loser who's furious his life hasn't gone the way he envisioned. Spouting islamic history and wanting to show everyone your knowledge of current affairs, belittling and abusing anyone who holds an alternative view. You remind me of one fucking loser on this forum ptader or something like that. Your "vast" knowledge hasn't improved your life or enriched you. You're a pauper actually. I pity your family and the folks who have to interact with you. Please stay away from my posts, I will put you on my ignore list. Yucks! Eeee!

I'm pretty sure you are talking about yourself.

Nobody would bother to write such a lengthy reply if you couldn't even bother to read more than one line.

More like you have no logical retort and have resorted to putting me on ignore using a flimsy excuse since you know you've lost and lost badly.

The rest of your meaningless stupid childish drivel personal attacks are indicative of yoru low IQ. Don't drag family into this. Your family dun even know where you were picked up from next to some geylang stray dustbins.

 

[JohnTan]

Why read kjv? Don't you know kjv copied and translated from the Catholic bible? Should you be reading the most original bible?And kjv threw out 6 books from there? Imaging the insolence, throwing out the words of god! Hahaha


All I see are the original Quran. Even your scholars admit that. You're too desperate to equate your corrupted bible to the Quran. Hahaha


Ask the Jews they know better. Even they admit the name of Muhammad is in their Hebrew Torah.
And the prophet didn't know how to read or write so how could he change anything, like say, god shat...

When you don't even know or deny without proof that there are different qurans, you don't get to judge what I read.

 

[JohnTan]

Teres only one version i.e. in our head. All hafiz memorised only one version.

Actually, there are numerous versions of the quran. Your hafiz are not 500 years old. So there's no way of telling how old is the quran he claimed to memorized.

I've went through with the other idiot islamists here and they just outright denied without providing concrete proof that there's only 1 version. Here's a summary.

1) caliph uthman burned all the original manuscripts that the scribes wrote of muhammad's narrations
2) there's no surviving copy of uthman's quran anywhere in the world
3) the oldest surviving manuscripts of a quran in Birmingham, Tokapi or Samarkan are all incomplete
4) moslem scholars gathered in Cairo, Egypt and finished standardization of their quran in 1924.

A simple Google check will show that there are currently several different qurans in circulation.

 

[JohnTan]

You go to any mosque, pick up any Quran, any part of the world. All similar. 114 surahs

You go and pick up any quran, any part of the world, many of them can't agree on the number of words in the quran. So a simple word count will show that different parts of the world use different arabic qurans. You can ask your local moslem scholar how many words there are in his quran.

You also left out the part where Aeysha, mahomet's child bride, narrated in a hadith about a goat eating some original manuscripts of the quran, which had no other copy. So the quran is incomplete from the start.

According to one estimate the Quran consists of 77,430 words, 18,994 unique words, 12,183 stems, 3,382 lemmas and 1,685 roots.[96]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quran

As for the number of the words of the Qur'an it is: 77,449 words (seventy seven thousand four hundred and forty nine words).
https://www.islamweb.net/en/fatwa/88181/number-of-letters-words-verses-and-surah-of-the-quran

The Quran is 77,797 words long in the original Classical Arabic
https://homework.study.com/explanation/how-many-words-are-in-the-quran.html

The whole Quran consists of 87530 words and 325384 letters (Table 4). .
https://www.researchgate.net/figure...ses-total-number-of-letters-of_tbl2_317786385

The Quran comprises 114 Surahs (chapters) which consist of 6205 verses and all these verses total 77807 words of which 45653 words were revealed in Mecca
https://erfan.ir/english/77594.html

 

[JohnTan]

All I see are the original Quran. Even your scholars admit that. You're too desperate to equate your corrupted bible to the Quran. Hahaha

Which scholars admitted it? Wow! I didn't realize that some scholar spoke for everyone. You must really think everyone are like mohammedans and you, where scholars speak for you and everyone else. Are you a kid or some juvenile?

What original quran? You don't even have manuscripts or old copies of the quran dating back to uthman, the guy who compiled the first quran. He burned all the manuscripts, remember? And your own hadiths said a goat ate part of your original quran before compilation by uthman.

Btw, your 'original quran' is supposed to be 7 different qurans, because the arabs from different tribes were too retarded to understand the revelation given to one tribe. So your fake god needed to send 7 different 'qurans' or revelations to them.

 

[duluxe]

Maybe trillion dollar.
Just one century ago, or even before WWII, it was a backwater. Its grandiosity only started with the oil boom.
Muslim caliph never considered mecca as important. Nobody fought over it. Nor bothered to turn it into a large city. Nor mention if they had performed the haj like what current muslims doing. Its like mecca just rose yo prominent just recently.
They were all fighting for jerusalem, damascus, baghdad, egypt. Those were areas of relevance. The food baskets. Fertile crescent.

Why did they shift the holy city from petra to mecca? Doesn't make sense by what you said of mecca.

 

[Loofydralb]

When you don't even know or deny without proof that there are different qurans, you don't get to judge what I read.

Like I said, see it for yourself take a pic of the differences.
Can't do it, can you?

 

[Loofydralb]

Which scholars admitted it? Wow! I didn't realize that some scholar spoke for everyone. You must really think everyone are like mohammedans and you, where scholars speak for you and everyone else. Are you a kid or some juvenile?

What original quran? You don't even have manuscripts or old copies of the quran dating back to uthman, the guy who compiled the first quran. He burned all the manuscripts, remember? And your own hadiths said a goat ate part of your original quran before compilation by uthman.

Btw, your 'original quran' is supposed to be 7 different qurans, because the arabs from different tribes were too retarded to understand the revelation given to one tribe. So your fake god needed to send 7 different 'qurans' or revelations to them.

Like I said, take a pic yourself
I'm sorry I can't take a pic of god shat

 

[JohnTan]

Like I said, see it for yourself take a pic of the differences.
Can't do it, can you?

Didn't we do this before? You just ignored it when you don't want to admit there are different qurans around.

Here's some differences in the sanaa quran found in the 1970s, as compared to the 1924 standardized Cairo quran, aka, uthmanic quran.

 

[Loofydralb]

Didn't we do this before? You just ignored it when you don't want to admit there are different qurans around.

Here's some differences in the sanaa quran found in the 1970s, as compared to the 1924 standardized Cairo quran, aka, uthmanic quran.

Why do you need to cut and paste from the internet?
I say, go find it yourself, take pics and post it here and tell us where you can find those you took the pics from.
You're an adult and you don't know there's lots of fake stuff, eg your corrupted bible?

 

[Hightech88]

Seems like a cult. Can't believe a religion based on honoring a mysterious 'Black Stone' can indoctrinate billions around the world into submission, LOL:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Stone#Meaning_and_symbolism

 

[JohnTan]

Why do you need to cut and paste from the internet?

Nothing illegal with taking it from the internet.

I say, go find it yourself, take pics and post it here and tell us where you can find those you took the pics from.

You don't get to set the rules. Facts are presented to you. You have no refutation.

You're an adult and you don't know there's lots of fake stuff, eg your corrupted bible?

If you are a real adult, you wouldn't be reading your corrupted quran. Again, you provided no refutation to the key facts

1. Your moslem quran is based on the 1924 standardized quran in Cairo

2. There are over 30 different qurans in circulation. Evidence of variations in the verses shown.

Your main arguments

1) I didn't take the photos of the different qurans personally. So not counted.


That's pretty much how fucked up islam is, when confronted with facts.

 

[Loofydralb]

Nothing illegal with taking it from the internet.



You don't get to set the rules. Facts are presented to you. You have no refutation.



If you are a real adult, you wouldn't be reading your corrupted quran. Again, you provided no refutation to the key facts

1. Your moslem quran is based on the 1924 standardized quran in Cairo

2. There are over 30 different qurans in circulation. Evidence of variations in the verses shown.

Your main arguments

1) I didn't take the photos of the different qurans personally. So not counted.


That's pretty much how fucked up islam is, when confronted with facts.

Still you have not provided proof that you've seen the evidence yourself so that we too can check out the evidence for ourselves.
But one evidence I can show you right here in SG is your corrupted bible. Thousands of them.
And your god shat.

 

[Likemeat]

I believe the soul is eternal, and there exists a spiritual world. And that each religion tries to explain the meaning of life and where we go after this life, according to its founder's interpretation of "truth". And the founder or founders were just as human as us, with faults and weaknesses. Hence, organised religion is bs for the most part. And bad for civilisation because it causes division, destruction and unnecessary deaths. I like to think of myself as being spiritual. So I am not really an atheist. Perhaps an agnostic? But one thing's for certain, I don't subscribe to any organised religion.

Those atheist/unbelievers caused destruction and unnecessary deaths too. This world is a test. The Devil is leading mankind astray. This is a favour granted to the Devil by the Almighty Allah s.w.t. The Devil have million of followers. And we are told in the Quran he is our enemy. But those righteous who believe and fear Allah s.w.t, follow HIS commandment, they shall be protected. This is a temporary world. All will be perished except the Creator.

 

[Likemeat]

I think disinterested observers reading these exchanges, too, can understand what fraudulent methods are used by these fraudsters and swindlers.

They keep inventing utterly fabricated lies, changing the story in face of interrogation every time.

So where are the manuscripts, transcripts along with the noted differences of these supposedly, allegedly diff version of the Holy Quran? Why can't they put up screenshots of these allegedly different versions of the Holy Quran for the whole world to read?

Whole world should be reading these supposedly different versions?

We havent even question their version of the bible. Go to any church. Different churches using different version of the bible. Thats only in Spore. Wait till you go oversea and visit those churches there. But wait...

 

[Likemeat]

You go and pick up any quran, any part of the world, many of them can't agree on the number of words in the quran. So a simple word count will show that different parts of the world use different arabic qurans. You can ask your local moslem scholar how many words there are in his quran.

You also left out the part where Aeysha, mahomet's child bride, narrated in a hadith about a goat eating some original manuscripts of the quran, which had no other copy. So the quran is incomplete from the start.

According to one estimate the Quran consists of 77,430 words, 18,994 unique words, 12,183 stems, 3,382 lemmas and 1,685 roots.[96]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quran

As for the number of the words of the Qur'an it is: 77,449 words (seventy seven thousand four hundred and forty nine words).
https://www.islamweb.net/en/fatwa/88181/number-of-letters-words-verses-and-surah-of-the-quran

The Quran is 77,797 words long in the original Classical Arabic
https://homework.study.com/explanation/how-many-words-are-in-the-quran.html

The whole Quran consists of 87530 words and 325384 letters (Table 4). .
https://www.researchgate.net/figure...ses-total-number-of-letters-of_tbl2_317786385

The Quran comprises 114 Surahs (chapters) which consist of 6205 verses and all these verses total 77807 words of which 45653 words were revealed in Mecca
https://erfan.ir/english/77594.html

You go to any Mosques in Spore, Msia, Indonesia, Brunei or even China. All similar. 114 surahs.

You go to any churches in Spore, Msia, Indonesia, USA, UK. All different bibles.

 

[syed putra]

Of course, the main foundation of those who believe in God is

Say: "Come let me recite to you what your Lord has forbidden for you: that

1. you should not set up anything with Him; and

Just this verse alone should be sufficient to distance ourselves from so called " god's religion or book or house or holy place".

 

[Likemeat]

"And We made this House (Ka'bah) a resort for mankind and a place of security, commanding people: “Take the station of Abraham as a permanent place for Prayer,” and enjoined Abraham and Ishmael: “Purify My House for those who walk around it, and those who abide in devotion, and those who bow, and who prostrate themselves (in Prayer).” (Q2:125)

 

[Loofydralb]

Of course, the main foundation of those who believe in God is

Say: "Come let me recite to you what your Lord has forbidden for you: that

1. you should not set up anything with Him; and

Just this verse alone should be sufficient to distance ourselves from so called " god's religion or book or house or holy place".

Please quote book, chapter and verse. Everytime.

 

[duluxe]

Those atheist/unbelievers caused destruction and unnecessary deaths too. This world is a test. The Devil is leading mankind astray. This is a favour granted to the Devil by the Almighty Allah s.w.t. The Devil have million of followers. And we are told in the Quran he is our enemy. But those righteous who believe and fear Allah s.w.t, follow HIS commandment, they shall be protected. This is a temporary world. All will be perished except the Creator.

Atheists and unbelievers, don't claim their belief to be perfect, that is the big difference. The devil is leading muslims astray, germinate seed of hatred in young muslims. Look at those malaysia states following the way of the devil, society is very divided, men and women cannot be in the same queue at the supermarket. Aceh, guided by the devil, is still practising primitive stoning and caning in public. Why you never point finger at the wrong doers but always point finger at the person reporting the wrong doings?