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jesus is a false messiah ( this thread is not for the weak heart christains )

drifter

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according to jesus’ admissions, as well as the bible’s prophecies, jesus of nazareth could not have been the messiah. this of course, would invalidate christianity as we know it. the compilation presented here shall be split in three sections. the first shall be the biblical prophecies that were made in order to identify the messiah, which Jesus does not fulfill. the second shall be the prophecies that christians use to say that Jesus was the messiah, yet they clearly fail. the third set shall be the prophecies and statements jesus made yet they are false and have never came true.



prophecies to Identify the messiah, which Jesus does not fulfill:

1) Matthew 1:23 says that Jesus (the messiah) would be called Immanuel, which means "God with us." Yet no one, not even his parents, call him Immanuel at any point in the bible.

2) The Messiah must be a physical descendant of David (Romans 1:3 & Acts 2:30). Yet, how could Jesus meet this requirement since his genealogies in Matthew 1 and Luke 3 show he descended from David through Joseph, who was not his natural father because of the Virgin Birth. Hence, this prophecy could not have been fulfilled.

3) Isaiah 7:16 seems to say that before Jesus had reached the age of maturity, both of the Jewish countries would be destroyed. Yet there is no mention of this prophecy being fulfilled in the New Testament with the coming of Jesus, hence this is another Messiah prophecy not fulfilled.



Prophecies Christians Use to Verify Jesus as the Messiah, Yet Clearly Fail:

4) The gospels (especially Matthew 21:4 and John 12:14-15) claim that Jesus fulfills the prophecy of Zechariah 9:9. But the next few verses (Zechariah 9:10-13) show that the person referred to in this verse is a military king that would rule "from sea to sea". Since Jesus had neither an army nor a kingdom, he could not have fulfilled this prophecy.

5) Matthew (Matthew 2:17-18) quotes Jeremiah (Jeremiah 31:15), claiming that it was a prophecy of King Herod’s alleged slaughter of the children in and around Bethlehem after the birth of Jesus. But this passage refers to the Babylonian captivity, as is clear by reading the next two verses (Jeremiah 31:16-17), and, thus, has nothing to do with Herod’s massacre.

6) John 19:33 says that during Jesus’ crucifixion, the soldiers didn’t break his legs because he was already dead. Verse John 19:36 claims that this fulfilled a prophecy: "Not a bone of him shall be broken." But there is no such prophecy. It is sometimes said that the prophecy appears in Exodus 12:46, Numbers 9:12 & Psalm 34:20. This is not correct. Exodus 12:46 & Numbers 9:12 are not prophecies, they are commandments. The Israelites are told not to break the bones of the Passover lamb, and this is all it is about. And Psalm 34:20 seems to refer to righteous people in general (see verse Psalm 34:19, where a plural is used), not to make a prophecy about a specific person.

7) "When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt." Hosea 11:1. Matthew (Matthew 2:15) claims that the flight of Jesus’ family to Egypt is a fulfillment of this verse. But Hosea 11:1 is not a prophecy at all. It is a reference to the Hebrew exodus from Egypt and has nothing to do with Jesus. Matthew tries to hide this fact by quoting only the last part of the verse ("Out of Egypt I have called my son").

8) "But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting." Micah 5:2 The gospel of Matthew (Matthew 2:5-6) claims that Jesus’ birth in Bethlehem fulfils this prophecy. But this is unlikely for two reasons.

A) "Bethlehem Ephratah" in Micah 5:2 refers not to a town, but to a clan: the clan of Bethlehem, who was the son of Caleb’s second wife, Ephrathah (1 Chronicles 2:18, 2:50-52 & 4:4).

B) The prophecy (if that is what it is) does not refer to the Messiah, but rather to a military leader, as can be seen from Micah 5:6. This leader is supposed to defeat the Assyrians, which, of course, Jesus never did. It should also be noted that Matthew altered the text of Micah 5:2 by saying: "And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Judah" rather than "Bethlehem Ephratah" as is said in Micah 5:2. He did this, intentionally no doubt, to make this verse appear to refer to the town of Bethlehem rather than the family clan.

Statements Jesus Made Which Are False:

9) Jesus in John 14:12 & Mark 16:17-18 said: "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth in me, the works that I do shall he also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father." This implies that Jesus’ true followers should be able to routinely perform the following tricks: 1) cast out devils, 2) speak in tongues, 3) take up serpents, 4) drink poisons without harm, and 5) cure the sick by touching them and MANY other of Jesus’ "works". Curiously I have yet to see a Christian that can do any of the above on demand.

10) In John 14:13-14 Jesus stated: "And whatsoever ye ask in my name I do, that the Father may be glorified in the son. If ye ask any thing in my name, I will do it." In reality, millions of people have made millions of requests in Jesus’ name and failed to receive satisfaction. This promise or prophecy has failed completely.

11) Paul says Christianity lives or dies on the Resurrection (1 Corinthian 15:14-17). Yet Jesus said in Matthew 12:40 that he would be buried three days and three nights as Jonah was in the whale three days and three nights. Friday afternoon to early Sunday morning is only one and a half days, so he could not have been the messiah by his own and Paul’s admission.

12) Jesus’ prophecy in John 13:38 ("The cock shall not crow, till thou [Peter] hast denied me three times") is false. Mark 14:66-68 shows the cock crowed after the first denial, not the third.

13) In Mark 10:19 Jesus said: "Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, do not steal, do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother." Jesus needs to re-read the Ten Commandments. There is no Old Testament commandment against defrauding. The only relevant statement about defrauding is in Leviticus 19:13 , which says : "Thou shalt not defraud thy neighbor." This is an OT law, but is not listed with the Ten Commandments. Surely, if Jesus was god incarnate he would know the commandments.

14) "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven" (John 3:13). If Jesus is in heaven, how can he be down on earth speaking? Moreover, according to 2 Kings 2:11 ("and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven") Jesus was not the only person to ascend into heaven, nor was he the first. Elijah preceded him and apparently Enoch did also ("And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him"--Genesis 5:24).

15) In Luke 23:43 Jesus said to the thief on the cross, "Today shalt thou be with me in paradise." This obviously has to be false, for Jesus was supposed to lay dead in the tomb for three days following his crucifixion.

1 6) Jesus says : "Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbor, and hate thine enemy" (Matthew 5:43). This statement does not exist in the OT either. In fact, Proverbs 24:17 says, "Rejoice not when thine enemy falleth, and let not thine heart be glad when he stumbleth…"

17) Jesus is reported to say: "The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it" (Luke 16:16). Certainly every man is not pressing to enter the kingdom of God. The very fact that I am an atheist (one third of the world’s population does not believe in a god) proves this verse to be false.

18) "Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the Sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath, and are blameless?" (Matthew 12:5) Nowhere does the OT state that the priests in the temple profaned the Sabbath and were considered blameless.

19) "Yea; have ye never read, 'Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings thou hast perfected praise'" (Matthew 21:16). Jesus is quoting Psalm 8:2, which says, "Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings hast thou ordained strength because of thine enemies…". "Perfect praise" has little to do with "ordaining strength because of thine enemies." Another misquotation!

20) "But I say unto you, That Elias is indeed come, and they have done unto him whatsoever they listed, as it is written of him" (Mark 9:13). There are no prophecies in the OT of things that were to happen to Elijah.

Jesus, in all his "God incarnate" wisdom, contradicts himself:

21) Jesus consistently contradicts himself concerning his Godly status. "I and my father are one." (John 14:28) Also see Philippians 2:5-6 Those verses lead us to believe that he is a part of the trinity and equal to his father being a manifestation of him. Yet, Jesus also made many statements that deny he is the perfect men, much less God incarnate. Take the following for example: "Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is God" (Matthew 19:17). "My father if greater then I." (John 14:28) Also see Matthew 24:26 Clearly, Jesus is denouncing the possibility of him being the Messiah in those three verses.

22) Jesus said, "whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire" (Matthew 5:22). Yet, he himself did so repeatedly, as Matthew 23:17-19 and Luke 11:40 & 12:20 show. Clearly Jesus should be in danger of hell too?

23) Does Jesus support peace, or war? Matthew 5:39 "Resist not evil, but whoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also." Also note Matthew 6:38-42 & 26:52 where Jesus teaches non-resistance, Non-violence. Now read (Luke 22:36-37) Where Jesus commands people to take arms for a coming conflict. (John 2:15) Jesus uses a whip to physically drive people out of the temple.

24) Matthew 15:24 Jesus said, "I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of lsrael,". This would of course mean that he is here only to save the Jews. The scriptures repeatedly back up this notion that Christ is savior to the Jews and not the gentiles (see Romans 16:17, Revelations 14:3-4 & John 10). The contradiction lies in what Jesus later tells his followers: "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations" (Matthew 28:19).

25) Can we hate our kindred? Luke 14:26 Jesus says "If any man come unto me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brother, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he can not be my disciple." John 3:15 "Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer." Also see Ephesians 6:22, 5:25, & Matthew 15:4

26) Even many of the staunchest defenders of Jesus admit that his comment in Matthew 10:34 ("I came not to send peace but a sword") contradicts verses such as Matthew 26:52 ("Put up again thy sword into his place: for all that take the sword shall perish with the sword").

27) Deuteronomy 24:1 & 21:10-14 all say that divorce is allowed for the simple reason if a "man no longer delighteth in his wife". Yet Jesus comes along and breaks his father’s law by saying in Matthew 5:32 that adultery is the only way one can be divorced.

28) In Mark 8:35 Jesus said: "...but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel’s the same shall save it." How could Jesus have said this when there was no gospel when he lived? The gospel did not appear until after his death.

29) Matthew 6:13 Jesus recites a revised prayer and states, "Don’t bring us into temptation." God is the cause of everything, even Satan. God has been leading people into temptation since the Garden of Eden. Otherwise, the trees of life and knowledge would have never been there.

30) Matthew 12:1-8 Jesus thinks it’s okay to break his father’s laws, by breaking the Sabbath day. He states that he is basically exempt for such fiascoes and that he is Master of the Sabbath.

31) John 3:17 Jesus contradicts himself when he says, "God didn’t send his son into the world to condemn it, but to save it." Jesus seems to forget his own stories.

32) James 4:3 If your prayers are not answered, it’s your own damned fault. This is in direct contradiction to where Jesus says "seek and ye shall find, ask and it shall be known to you".

33) "If Jesus bears witness of himself his witness is true" John 8:14, "If I bear witness of myself it is not true." John 5:31

34) "I am with you always, even unto the end of the world" (Matthew 28:20), versus "For ye have the poor always with you; but me ye have not always" (Matthew 26:11 , Mark 14:7, John 12:8) and "Ye shall seek me, and shall not find me: and where I am thither ye cannot come" (John 7:34). Is this the kind of friend one can rely on?

35) "And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her" (Mark 10:11 & Luke 6:18), versus "And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery" (Matthew 19:9). In the book of Matthew, Jesus said a man could put away his wife if one factor-- fornication--is involved. In Mark and Luke he allowed no exceptions.

36) Jesus is quoted: "Judge not, and ye shall be not judged; condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven" (Luke 6:37 & Matthew 7:1), versus "Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment" (John 7:24). Jesus stated men are not to judge but, then, allowed it under certain conditions. As in the case of divorce, he can’t seem to formulate a consistent policy.

37) "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" Matthew 27:46, (also note the time before crucification where Jesus prays for the "cup to passeth over me") versus "Now is my soul troubled. And what shall I say? ‘Father, save me from this hour?’ No, for this purpose I have come to this hour" (John 12:27 RSV). Jesus can’t seem to decide whether or not he wants to die. One moment he is willing; the next he isn’t.

38) In Luke 23:30 ("Then shall they begin to say to the mountains, fall on us, and to the hills, cover us") Jesus quoted Hosea 10:8 ("...and they shall say to the mountains, cover us; and to the hills, fall on us"). And, like Paul, he often quoted inaccurately. In this instance, he confused mountains with hills.

39) "And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things. But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they know him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them. Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist" (Matthew 17:11-13). John the Baptist was beheaded, but Jesus was not. And what did John the Baptist restore? Nothing!

40) We are told salvation is obtained by faith alone (John 3:18 & 36) yet Jesus told a man to follow the Commandments-Matthew 19:16-18 (saving by works)-if he wanted eternal life.

41) In Luke 12:4 Jesus told his followers to "Be not afraid of them that kill the body." But Matthew 12:14-16, John 7:1, 8:59, 10:39, 11:53-54, & Mark 1:45 show that Jesus consistently feared death. Jesus went out of his way to hide, run, and attempt escape from the Roman and Jewish authorities.

42) Matthew 5:28 says to sin in "your heart" is considered a sin in itself. The messiah is supposed to be God incarnate, not able to sin, yet in Matthew 4:5 & Luke 4:5-9, Jesus was tempted by Satan in the desert, which is sinning in his heart. Jesus also took upon all the sins of the world during his crucifixion, so how can it be said that "Jesus was the perfect man without sin"? This would lead one to believe he was not the Messiah.

43) Jesus told us to "Love your enemies; bless them that curse you," but ignored his own advice by repeatedly denouncing his opposition. Matthew 23:17 ("Ye fools and blind"), Matthew 12:34 ("0 generation of vipers"), and Matthew 23:27 (". . . hypocrites . . . ye are like unto whited sepulchres. . .") are excellent examples of hypocrisy.

44) Did the people of Jesus’ generation see any signs? (Matthew 12:38-40) Jesus announced that no signs would be given to that generation except the Resurrection itself. (Mark 8:12-13) Jesus announced that no signs would be given to that generation. (Mark 16:20) They went out preaching, and the Lord confirmed the word through accompanying signs. (John 20:30) Jesus provided many wonders and signs. (Acts 2:22) Jesus provided many wonders and signs. (Acts 5:12 & 8:13) many signs and wonders were done through the apostles.

45) Jesus commands the disciples to go into Galilee immediately after the resurrection. Matthew 28:10 Jesus commands the disciples to "tarry in Jerusalem" immediately after the resurrection.

46) Matthew 28:18 & John 3:35 both tell that Jesus said he could do anything. Yet Mark 6:5 says Jesus was not all powerful.

47) Jesus says in Luke 2:13-14 that he came to bring peace on earth. Matthew 10:34 Jesus back peddles and says he did not come to bring peace on earth.

48) Did Christ receive testimony from man? "Ye sent unto John and he bare witness unto the truth. But I receive not testimony from man." John 5:33-34 "And ye shall also bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning." John 15:27

49) Christ laid down his life for his friends. John 15:13 & 10:11 Christ laid down his life for his enemies. Romans 5:10

50) Deuteronomy 23:2 says that bastards can not attend church unto the tenth generation. If Jesus was spawned by Mary and Jehovah as the Bible claims then he is technically a bastard and should not be the leader of the church.
 

Kinana

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Ah thats an easy one sir. All Christians can answer this article you cut and pasted w/o reading or studying.

according to jesus’ admissions, as well as the bible’s prophecies, jesus of nazareth could not have been the messiah. this of course, would invalidate christianity as we know it. the compilation presented here shall be split in three sections. the first shall be the biblical prophecies that were made in order to identify the messiah, which Jesus does not fulfill. the second shall be the prophecies that christians use to say that Jesus was the messiah, yet they clearly fail. the third set shall be the prophecies and statements jesus made yet they are false and have never came true.



prophecies to Identify the messiah, which Jesus does not fulfill:

1) Matthew 1:23 says that Jesus (the messiah) would be called Immanuel, which means "God with us." Yet no one, not even his parents, call him Immanuel at any point in the bible.
Jesus did fulfill this verse and is with us.
The consistent pattern of Biblical prophecy concerns action rather than actual names, no problem at all.




2) The Messiah must be a physical descendant of David (Romans 1:3 & Acts 2:30). Yet, how could Jesus meet this requirement since his genealogies in Matthew 1 and Luke 3 show he descended from David through Joseph, who was not his natural father because of the Virgin Birth. Hence, this prophecy could not have been fulfilled.
Study history. Both Joseph and Mary were descendents of David. Its double fulfillment eitherway.


3) Isaiah 7:16 seems to say that before Jesus had reached the age of maturity, both of the Jewish countries would be destroyed. Yet there is no mention of this prophecy being fulfilled in the New Testament with the coming of Jesus, hence this is another Messiah prophecy not fulfilled.
At that time, Israel and Judah were both colonies of Rome sir. Thanks.

Prophecies Christians Use to Verify Jesus as the Messiah, Yet Clearly Fail:

4) The gospels (especially Matthew 21:4 and John 12:14-15) claim that Jesus fulfills the prophecy of Zechariah 9:9. But the next few verses (Zechariah 9:10-13) show that the person referred to in this verse is a military king that would rule "from sea to sea". Since Jesus had neither an army nor a kingdom, he could not have fulfilled this prophecy.
No where in Zech 9:9 did it specify Jesus had to be a military ruler at all. God's kingdom is spiritual, not carnal. Thats why you can find Christians in every country on earth.


5) Matthew (Matthew 2:17-18) quotes Jeremiah (Jeremiah 31:15), claiming that it was a prophecy of King Herod’s alleged slaughter of the children in and around Bethlehem after the birth of Jesus. But this passage refers to the Babylonian captivity, as is clear by reading the next two verses (Jeremiah 31:16-17), and, thus, has nothing to do with Herod’s massacre.
Its perfect spiritual fulfilment. Captives of the enemy, ie the devil will come back to God's people as it is till being fulfilled today.
The pattern is consistent, God's kingdom is spiritual, not carnal.

6) John 19:33 says that during Jesus’ crucifixion, the soldiers didn’t break his legs because he was already dead. Verse John 19:36 claims that this fulfilled a prophecy: "Not a bone of him shall be broken." But there is no such prophecy. It is sometimes said that the prophecy appears in Exodus 12:46, Numbers 9:12 & Psalm 34:20. This is not correct. Exodus 12:46 & Numbers 9:12 are not prophecies, they are commandments. The Israelites are told not to break the bones of the Passover lamb, and this is all it is about. And Psalm 34:20 seems to refer to righteous people in general (see verse Psalm 34:19, where a plural is used), not to make a prophecy about a specific person.
Thats correct. Jesus is righteous. Thats why hs bones weren't broken in the sacrifice. In perfect pattern and fulfillment of atonement practices of God.

7) "When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt." Hosea 11:1. Matthew (Matthew 2:15) claims that the flight of Jesus’ family to Egypt is a fulfillment of this verse. But Hosea 11:1 is not a prophecy at all. It is a reference to the Hebrew exodus from Egypt and has nothing to do with Jesus. Matthew tries to hide this fact by quoting only the last part of the verse ("Out of Egypt I have called my son").
Hosea was spoken way after the Exodus sir. You don't even know what you are talking about.

8) "But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting." Micah 5:2 The gospel of Matthew (Matthew 2:5-6) claims that Jesus’ birth in Bethlehem fulfils this prophecy. But this is unlikely for two reasons.

A) "Bethlehem Ephratah" in Micah 5:2 refers not to a town, but to a clan: the clan of Bethlehem, who was the son of Caleb’s second wife, Ephrathah (1 Chronicles 2:18, 2:50-52 & 4:4).
Bethlehem Ephrathah came from Bethlehem. so easy.

B) The prophecy (if that is what it is) does not refer to the Messiah, but rather to a military leader, as can be seen from Micah 5:6. This leader is supposed to defeat the Assyrians, which, of course, Jesus never did. It should also be noted that Matthew altered the text of Micah 5:2 by saying: "And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Judah" rather than "Bethlehem Ephratah" as is said in Micah 5:2. He did this, intentionally no doubt, to make this verse appear to refer to the town of Bethlehem rather than the family clan.
Consistent with the concept of spiritual kingdom.
Even under oppression, you will find Christians even in North Korea today, even in Northern Nigeria where Muslism are massacring Christians, even in your workplace where you have a spirit of anti Christ, there are Christians.

Statements Jesus Made Which Are False:

9) Jesus in John 14:12 & Mark 16:17-18 said: "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth in me, the works that I do shall he also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father." This implies that Jesus’ true followers should be able to routinely perform the following tricks: 1) cast out devils, 2) speak in tongues, 3) take up serpents, 4) drink poisons without harm, and 5) cure the sick by touching them and MANY other of Jesus’ "works". Curiously I have yet to see a Christian that can do any of the above on demand.
There is no non fulfilment at all. Many Christians today doing the works of Jesus thus surpassing him.

10) In John 14:13-14 Jesus stated: "And whatsoever ye ask in my name I do, that the Father may be glorified in the son. If ye ask any thing in my name, I will do it." In reality, millions of people have made millions of requests in Jesus’ name and failed to receive satisfaction. This promise or prophecy has failed completely.
Read further in John 15:7-8. Are all Christians abiding in Jesus always?
11) Paul says Christianity lives or dies on the Resurrection (1 Corinthian 15:14-17). Yet Jesus said in Matthew 12:40 that he would be buried three days and three nights as Jonah was in the whale three days and three nights. Friday afternoon to early Sunday morning is only one and a half days, so he could not have been the messiah by his own and Paul’s admission.
Language use of that time meant the third day = Friday to sunday.


12) Jesus’ prophecy in John 13:38 ("The cock shall not crow, till thou [Peter] hast denied me three times") is false. Mark 14:66-68 shows the cock crowed after the first denial, not the third.
You did not even read Mark 14 sir.
1st denial, verse 68, 2nd denial , verse 70, third denial, verse 71, rooster crowed, verse 72.
Its perfect fulfilment sir. Why are you so easily fulled by the author of your cut and paste sir?

13) In Mark 10:19 Jesus said: "Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, do not steal, do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother." Jesus needs to re-read the Ten Commandments. There is no Old Testament commandment against defrauding. The only relevant statement about defrauding is in Leviticus 19:13 , which says : "Thou shalt not defraud thy neighbor." This is an OT law, but is not listed with the Ten Commandments. Surely, if Jesus was god incarnate he would know the commandments.
Defraud will match with covet. So easy sir.


Debunked 13. Got to go for now.
Why not you try to explain yourself away sir, the fact that you didn't even know what you so easily cut ans pasted?
 

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.........Matthew 1:23 says that Jesus (the messiah) would be called Immanuel, which means "God with us." Yet no one, not even his parents, call him Immanuel at any point in the bible....

As usual, you simply cut-and-paste verses here verses there....and I don't see any merit trying to reply to what your unholy intention to discredit the Bible. Nonetheless, let me share with the readers here. There are numerous names given to God and each name is given with much merit. For example, God is also know as Counselor but we didn't see Jesus parents called Him "Counselor". God is also know as the Everlasting Prince of Peace and we didn't see His parents called Him this either.

God took a human-form to save us from eternal torment of being separated from Him. This is the primarily mission of Jesus' birth. He is not here to gain worldly fame and the last thing that God wants is for people to keep calling His name but lack of trust and confidence in the redemptive blood of Jesus.

Without fail, we see people crying out "Oh! Jesxxx" when something got not too right or expected of the situation, and another common meaningless name calling is "For Chxxx-sake".....even non-Christians are calling out these names but they are really meaningless. As a warning to Christians, we must stop calling out the name of our Lord without giving due reverence to the Lordship. We can cry for Him but we must be sincere and let us not be drifted into the name-calling of our Living God like the way pagans do.

May God be with you always. He is indeed our Immanuel!
 

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Alot of pastors also uses selective verses from the bible......many xtians too uses selective parts...cut and paste and spread their own version of the gospel.....

the jesus fairy tale story only form a small tiny part of the bible....and yet there are so many flaws....not to mention the remaining part.....

gosh...wondering if you people work to make a living?? or waiting for god to give you money, food and medicine.....

ban all religion....!!!!
 

Kinana

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Drifter is simply a Christianity hater that is desperate to attack Christianity. So he cut and pasted m&d w/o thinking or even reading hoping some will stick.
In the end, he looked foolish.

I am very sure he will never apologise for his wrongs even if it is clear to him that he was because he is not interested to know the truth, he just hates Christianity and will resort to lies to vent his hatred.
 

Kinana

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Alot of pastors also uses selective verses from the bible......many xtians too uses selective parts...cut and paste and spread their own version of the gospel.....

the jesus fairy tale story only form a small tiny part of the bible....and yet there are so many flaws....not to mention the remaining part.....

gosh...wondering if you people work to make a living?? or waiting for god to give you money, food and medicine.....

ban all religion....!!!!

You mean you are justifying Drifter's selective use of verses in the Bible? How silly of you sir.
 

drifter

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Ah thats an easy one sir. All Christians can answer this article you cut and pasted w/o reading or studying.


Jesus did fulfill this verse and is with us.
The consistent pattern of Biblical prophecy concerns action rather than actual names, no problem at all.





Study history. Both Joseph and Mary were descendents of David. Its double fulfillment eitherway.



At that time, Israel and Judah were both colonies of Rome sir. Thanks.


No where in Zech 9:9 did it specify Jesus had to be a military ruler at all. God's kingdom is spiritual, not carnal. Thats why you can find Christians in every country on earth.



Its perfect spiritual fulfilment. Captives of the enemy, ie the devil will come back to God's people as it is till being fulfilled today.
The pattern is consistent, God's kingdom is spiritual, not carnal.


Thats correct. Jesus is righteous. Thats why hs bones weren't broken in the sacrifice. In perfect pattern and fulfillment of atonement practices of God.


Hosea was spoken way after the Exodus sir. You don't even know what you are talking about.

Bethlehem Ephrathah came from Bethlehem. so easy.


Consistent with the concept of spiritual kingdom.
Even under oppression, you will find Christians even in North Korea today, even in Northern Nigeria where Muslism are massacring Christians, even in your workplace where you have a spirit of anti Christ, there are Christians.


There is no non fulfilment at all. Many Christians today doing the works of Jesus thus surpassing him.


Read further in John 15:7-8. Are all Christians abiding in Jesus always?

Language use of that time meant the third day = Friday to sunday.



You did not even read Mark 14 sir.
1st denial, verse 68, 2nd denial , verse 70, third denial, verse 71, rooster crowed, verse 72.
Its perfect fulfilment sir. Why are you so easily fulled by the author of your cut and paste sir?


Defraud will match with covet. So easy sir.


Debunked 13. Got to go for now.
Why not you try to explain yourself away sir, the fact that you didn't even know what you so easily cut ans pasted?



" Jesus did fulfill this verse and is with us.
The consistent pattern of Biblical prophecy concerns action rather than actual names, no problem at all " .

CONSISTENT ? GO AND SLOWLY READ THE WHOLE THREAD :wink:


" Study history. Both Joseph and Mary were descendents of David. Its double fulfillment eitherway ".


HISTORY ? YOU MEAN MAGICAL CHARACTER LIKE THE TAKING SNAKE IN THE FAIRY TALES BOOK CAN CONSIDER AS HISTORY ? WOW ...YOU REALLY SURPRISE US WITH YOUR BRAIN :wink:


" No where in Zech 9:9 did it specify Jesus had to be a military ruler at all. God's kingdom is spiritual, not carnal. Thats why you can find Christians in every country on earth ".


SO WHAT IF THERES CHRISTIANS EVERYWHERE ? IF YOU TELL A LIE LONG ENOUGH STUPID PPL LIKE YOU WILL FALL FOR IT :wink: THE REASON WHY THERES MANY CHRISTIAN AROUND BEACUSE YOUR CULT BEHAVE LIKE A MLM ...GO AROUND ON THE STREET GETTING NEW MEMBERS :wink: YOU NEED TO OPEN YOUR EYES AND READ IF JESUS WANT TO BE MILITARY RULER OR NOT :wink:



" Its perfect spiritual fulfilment. Captives of the enemy, ie the devil will come back to God's people as it is till being fulfilled today.
The pattern is consistent, God's kingdom is spiritual, not carnal " .


FOR YOUR INFOR ITS NOT SPIRITUAL FULFILMENT ITS SELD -DELUSION FUFILMENT :wink: YOU JUST WANT TO BELIEVE WHAT YOU WANT TO BELIEVE WITHOUT ANY PROOF ...:wink:



" Thats correct. Jesus is righteous. Thats why hs bones weren't broken in the sacrifice. In perfect pattern and fulfillment of atonement practices of God ".

JESUS IS RIGHTEOUS ? WHAHAHAHAHA ...GO TO MY THREAD OF THE EVIL BIBLE ...:wink: YOU MEAN IF " GOD " ASK YOU TO KILL MEANS ITS OK TO KILL ? WOW ...YOU ARE INDEED CHRISTAIN TERRORIST :wink:


" Hosea was spoken way after the Exodus sir. You don't even know what you are talking about ".

GO AND READ THE POST AGAIN :wink: YOU ARE REALLY HAVING BLIND FAITH :wink:



" Bethlehem Ephrathah came from Bethlehem. so easy " .

THIS ONE ALSO ...GO AND READ MY THREAD AGAIN :wink: YOU ARE RUNING IN CIRCLE .


" Consistent with the concept of spiritual kingdom.
Even under oppression, you will find Christians even in North Korea today, even in Northern Nigeria where Muslism are massacring Christians, even in your workplace where you have a spirit of anti Christ, there are Christians "


SO WHAT IF THERE ARE CHRISTAINS ...LOOK AT MY ABOVE POST AGAIN :wink: WHAT DO YOU MEAN SPIRIT OF ANTI CHRIST THERE ARE CHRISTAINS ? LOOKS LIKE YOU ARE REALLY CRAZY ...WHAHAHAHAHA


" There is no non fulfilment at all. Many Christians today doing the works of Jesus thus surpassing him ".

GO AND READ MY POST AGAIN BEFORE ANSWERING THEM ...IM TALKING ABOUT A AND YOU TALKING ABOUT B ...WHAHAHHAHAHAHA .


" Language use of that time meant the third day = Friday to sunday " .

HOW YOU KNOW ? PROOF ? :wink:


" You did not even read Mark 14 sir.
1st denial, verse 68, 2nd denial , verse 70, third denial, verse 71, rooster crowed, verse 72.
Its perfect fulfilment sir. Why are you so easily fulled by the author of your cut and paste sir?

SINCE YOU GUYS LIKE TO CUT AND PASTE YOUR CULT VERSE ...SO I LEARN FROM YOU FROM YOUR OWN STORYBOOK ... I NEVER ADD A SINGLE WORD FROM YOUR STORY BOOK ...EVERYTHING IS ORIGINAL :wink:


SO MANY THINGS HERE AND YOU ONLY TRY TO DEFENCE CERTAIN THINGS ? WHAT ABOUT THE REST ? EVEN YOU TRY TO DEFENCE THOSE THINGS ITS ALSO USING THE STORYBOOK DEFENCE THE STORYBOOK AS USUAL . :wink: I ALREADY GIVE YOU ENOUGH WARNING AND I WONT GIVE YOU ANY IN THE FUTURE ..I WILL JUST INF YOU IF YOU CARRY ON RUNING IN CIRCLES :wink:
 

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As usual, you simply cut-and-paste verses here verses there....and I don't see any merit trying to reply to what your unholy intention to discredit the Bible. Nonetheless, let me share with the readers here. There are numerous names given to God and each name is given with much merit. For example, God is also know as Counselor but we didn't see Jesus parents called Him "Counselor". God is also know as the Everlasting Prince of Peace and we didn't see His parents called Him this either.

God took a human-form to save us from eternal torment of being separated from Him. This is the primarily mission of Jesus' birth. He is not here to gain worldly fame and the last thing that God wants is for people to keep calling His name but lack of trust and confidence in the redemptive blood of Jesus.

Without fail, we see people crying out "Oh! Jesxxx" when something got not too right or expected of the situation, and another common meaningless name calling is "For Chxxx-sake".....even non-Christians are calling out these names but they are really meaningless. As a warning to Christians, we must stop calling out the name of our Lord without giving due reverence to the Lordship. We can cry for Him but we must be sincere and let us not be drifted into the name-calling of our Living God like the way pagans do.

May God be with you always. He is indeed our Immanuel!

SINCE YOU LIKE TO CUT AND PASTE YOUR STORY VERSE HERE ...I WILL DO THE SAME THING ..BUT ALL FROM YOUR OWN STORY BOOK . I DIDNT ADD A SINGLE WORDS :wink:


" God is also know as the Everlasting Prince of Peace and we didn't see His parents called Him this either ".

THE INVISIBLEMAN IS PRICE OF PEACE ? WHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...I HAVE WRITTEN SO MANY CRAZY MURDER AND ABUSE " HE" ASK HIS FOLLOWERS TO DO ...YOU STILL CALL HIM PRINCE OF PEACE ? WHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...DELUSION MY FRIEND ...YOU REALLY HAVE A SERIOUS PROBLEM ...YOU NEEDED PROFESSIONAL MEDICAL HELPS BEFORE ITS TOO LATE :wink:
 

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drifter is simply a christianity hater that is desperate to attack christianity. So he cut and pasted m&d w/o thinking or even reading hoping some will stick.
In the end, he looked foolish.

I am very sure he will never apologise for his wrongs even if it is clear to him that he was because he is not interested to know the truth, he just hates christianity and will resort to lies to vent his hatred.

i dont need to attack your cult book ...its already there in the verses in that storybook that your invisibleman love abuse and murder :wink: you called the truth is lie ? Opps i forgot you guys just wanted to hear ONLY good stuff about your cults just like your invisible man ...always wanted you to praise him ..even when before eating ...theres no religion in the world that preach their followers to praise their invisibleman for everything ...you are like your cult ...insecure . because your storybook is full of murders and abuses ..thats why also needed to have so many versions of your storybook to cover those dirty deed ..but too bad the truth will always be the truth ...:wink: and im here to spread truth rather then delusion :wink: if you want the truth you can come here ..if you want delusion you can go back your church ...see you have choice :wink:
 
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Here We Go Again

Alot of pastors also uses selective verses from the bible......many xtians too uses selective parts...cut and paste and spread their own version of the gospel.....

the jesus fairy tale story only form a small tiny part of the bible....and yet there are so many flaws....not to mention the remaining part.....

gosh...wondering if you people work to make a living?? or waiting for god to give you money, food and medicine.....

ban all religion....!!!!


Religion ? Even the present science has already become religion whard. People wanna believe what they wanna believe. Just as some cuckoo scientists talking about strings. Can you stop those weird science from making the pure science from becoming a laughing stock ? No, right ? If you think that Lehman product is a good investment, then go and buy it, because no one is stopping you.

Everyone has to pay a PRICE for doing something or NOT doing something. One thing that works for a guy, may not work for another. Whether it was a hefty price or not, perhaps it's not up to you to decide for them. Why don't we rebel and take PAP out by force ? Frankly, to me, this is 'good for all mankind'. Acceptable ? For me, yes. For you ?

As for the flaw, rite. I thought I have explained many many times. Accuracy or precision is always a man made error but there's a way to correct by ...

Too bad, you aren't me. So, TOP SECRET here. Applies to ... I don't know how put it. Sometimes, I can't give a person a spare tyre because he or she does have one (a car) - useless.
 

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Atheists Are Losing The War Quickly Than You Think

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i dont need to attack your cult book

and im here to spread truth rather then delusion :wink:


Tsk, tsk, tsk, still here creating bait, huh ? Do you think you are ... may be you should get a real life doing something like discovering strings or prove Big Bang is right. Then, you have got a case.

From my point of view, to be exact, some scientists or view, A non-God evolutionists idea is losing the war very quickly. How many famous and intelligent atheists are being CONVERTED already. Modern science is fast killing atheism instead of proving God does not exists. Tsk, tsk, tsk ! I'm impressed !
 

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" Jesus did fulfill this verse and is with us.
The consistent pattern of Biblical prophecy concerns action rather than actual names, no problem at all " .

CONSISTENT ? GO AND SLOWLY READ THE WHOLE THREAD :wink:


" Study history. Both Joseph and Mary were descendents of David. Its double fulfillment eitherway ".


HISTORY ? YOU MEAN MAGICAL CHARACTER LIKE THE TAKING SNAKE IN THE FAIRY TALES BOOK CAN CONSIDER AS HISTORY ? WOW ...YOU REALLY SURPRISE US WITH YOUR BRAIN :wink:


" No where in Zech 9:9 did it specify Jesus had to be a military ruler at all. God's kingdom is spiritual, not carnal. Thats why you can find Christians in every country on earth ".


SO WHAT IF THERES CHRISTIANS EVERYWHERE ? IF YOU TELL A LIE LONG ENOUGH STUPID PPL LIKE YOU WILL FALL FOR IT :wink: THE REASON WHY THERES MANY CHRISTIAN AROUND BEACUSE YOUR CULT BEHAVE LIKE A MLM ...GO AROUND ON THE STREET GETTING NEW MEMBERS :wink: YOU NEED TO OPEN YOUR EYES AND READ IF JESUS WANT TO BE MILITARY RULER OR NOT :wink:



" Its perfect spiritual fulfilment. Captives of the enemy, ie the devil will come back to God's people as it is till being fulfilled today.
The pattern is consistent, God's kingdom is spiritual, not carnal " .


FOR YOUR INFOR ITS NOT SPIRITUAL FULFILMENT ITS SELD -DELUSION FUFILMENT :wink: YOU JUST WANT TO BELIEVE WHAT YOU WANT TO BELIEVE WITHOUT ANY PROOF ...:wink:



" Thats correct. Jesus is righteous. Thats why hs bones weren't broken in the sacrifice. In perfect pattern and fulfillment of atonement practices of God ".

JESUS IS RIGHTEOUS ? WHAHAHAHAHA ...GO TO MY THREAD OF THE EVIL BIBLE ...:wink: YOU MEAN IF " GOD " ASK YOU TO KILL MEANS ITS OK TO KILL ? WOW ...YOU ARE INDEED CHRISTAIN TERRORIST :wink:


" Hosea was spoken way after the Exodus sir. You don't even know what you are talking about ".

GO AND READ THE POST AGAIN :wink: YOU ARE REALLY HAVING BLIND FAITH :wink:



" Bethlehem Ephrathah came from Bethlehem. so easy " .

THIS ONE ALSO ...GO AND READ MY THREAD AGAIN :wink: YOU ARE RUNING IN CIRCLE .


" Consistent with the concept of spiritual kingdom.
Even under oppression, you will find Christians even in North Korea today, even in Northern Nigeria where Muslism are massacring Christians, even in your workplace where you have a spirit of anti Christ, there are Christians "


SO WHAT IF THERE ARE CHRISTAINS ...LOOK AT MY ABOVE POST AGAIN :wink: WHAT DO YOU MEAN SPIRIT OF ANTI CHRIST THERE ARE CHRISTAINS ? LOOKS LIKE YOU ARE REALLY CRAZY ...WHAHAHAHAHA


" There is no non fulfilment at all. Many Christians today doing the works of Jesus thus surpassing him ".

GO AND READ MY POST AGAIN BEFORE ANSWERING THEM ...IM TALKING ABOUT A AND YOU TALKING ABOUT B ...WHAHAHHAHAHAHA .


" Language use of that time meant the third day = Friday to sunday " .

HOW YOU KNOW ? PROOF ? :wink:


" You did not even read Mark 14 sir.
1st denial, verse 68, 2nd denial , verse 70, third denial, verse 71, rooster crowed, verse 72.
Its perfect fulfilment sir. Why are you so easily fulled by the author of your cut and paste sir?

SINCE YOU GUYS LIKE TO CUT AND PASTE YOUR CULT VERSE ...SO I LEARN FROM YOU FROM YOUR OWN STORYBOOK ... I NEVER ADD A SINGLE WORD FROM YOUR STORY BOOK ...EVERYTHING IS ORIGINAL :wink:


SO MANY THINGS HERE AND YOU ONLY TRY TO DEFENCE CERTAIN THINGS ? WHAT ABOUT THE REST ? EVEN YOU TRY TO DEFENCE THOSE THINGS ITS ALSO USING THE STORYBOOK DEFENCE THE STORYBOOK AS USUAL . :wink: I ALREADY GIVE YOU ENOUGH WARNING AND I WONT GIVE YOU ANY IN THE FUTURE ..I WILL JUST INF YOU IF YOU CARRY ON RUNING IN CIRCLES :wink:

See, Drifter can't even put up a defence to my rebuttal.
He's caught with his pants down quoting Bible verses w/o context or understanding.

Cheers
 

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i dont need to attack your cult book ...its already there in the verses in that storybook that your invisibleman love abuse and murder :wink: you called the truth is lie ? Opps i forgot you guys just wanted to hear ONLY good stuff about your cults just like your invisible man ...always wanted you to praise him ..even when before eating ...theres no religion in the world that preach their followers to praise their invisibleman for everything ...you are like your cult ...insecure . because your storybook is full of murders and abuses ..thats why also needed to have so many versions of your storybook to cover those dirty deed ..but too bad the truth will always be the truth ...:wink: and im here to spread truth rather then delusion :wink: if you want the truth you can come here ..if you want delusion you can go back your church ...see you have choice :wink:

You are delusional my friend. You did not even bother to read what you have cut and pasted much less the Bible whom the cut and paste of yours quoted liberally from.
 

drifter

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Re: Atheists Are Losing The War Quickly Than You Think

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Tsk, tsk, tsk, still here creating bait, huh ? Do you think you are ... may be you should get a real life doing something like discovering strings or prove Big Bang is right. Then, you have got a case.

From my point of view, to be exact, some scientists or view, A non-God evolutionists idea is losing the war very quickly. How many famous and intelligent atheists are being CONVERTED already. Modern science is fast killing atheism instead of proving God does not exists. Tsk, tsk, tsk ! I'm impressed !




as long as theres cult group like your here ...i will create bait and you guys will bite the line ...im 100% sure ...its been proven so many times in this religious folder :wink: whahahahaha .


" Do you think you are ... may be you should get a real life doing something like discovering strings or prove Big Bang is right. Then, you have got a case " .

believing in imaginary character like a talking snake in a storybook and consider it as history book that itself already a case :wink: whahahahhaa ...



" How many famous and intelligent atheists are being CONVERTED already. Modern science is fast killing atheism instead of proving God does not exists. Tsk, tsk, tsk ! I'm impressed "


you are delusion again in your statement :wink: modern science have already whack delusional cult like you left and right ....science have proven that the earth is not flat , science have proven that a man cant stay alive inside a fish stomach for 3 days , science have proven that thunder is the an act their "god " is angry , science have proven that the world is not a few thousand years old , science have proven that prayer do not work at all , science have proven that you cant walk on water , science have proven that when the sky rain its not because " god " is crying , science have proven that a snake cant talk ...ect ...whahahahahaha..time to take your medication :wink:


how many christains becoming atheists ? for your information america alone have decreasing members of blind faith organisation like your cult ...:wink:


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drifter

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You are delusional my friend. You did not even bother to read what you have cut and pasted much less the Bible whom the cut and paste of yours quoted liberally from.

does not believing in talking snake consider delusion ? :wink: whahahahahaahah . for your infor , i read yuor storybook from the first page to the last when i was in my secondary school days ...:wink: ...one inf for you for running in circle again :wink: ..carry on running in circles and i will give you more inf :wink:
 

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World's Most Famous Atheist Accepts Existence of God because of Science

" How many famous and intelligent atheists are being CONVERTED already. Modern science is fast killing atheism instead of proving God does not exists. Tsk, tsk, tsk ! I'm impressed "


you are delusion again in your statement :wink: modern science have already whack delusional cult like you left and right ....science have proven that the earth is not flat , science have proven that a man cant stay alive inside a fish stomach for 3 days , science have proven that thunder is the an act their "god " is angry , science have proven that the world is not a few thousand years old , science have proven that prayer do not work at all , science have proven that you cant walk on water , science have proven that when the sky rain its not because " god " is crying , science have proven that a snake cant talk ...ect ...whahahahahaha..time to take your medication :wink:


Very weak attack. I'm beginning to enjoy this. :biggrin:


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drifter

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try this :wink: even pastor and turn to atheists whahahahahaha...its good you enjoy it ...if you dont enjoy it then i worry ...because you wont be here to post ...if you did not come in and post ...how can we laugh at you ? whahahahahahaha ..thankyou once again .

[video=youtube;-xYLKh3cdCI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xYLKh3cdCI[/video]
 

drifter

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this song is for those delusional ppl :wink:


[video=youtube;eM8Ss28zjcE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eM8Ss28zjcE[/video]
 
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